>>43598117
>will I be arrested if I commit crimes?
Probably that being said trans woman are the easiest people to abuse

if they were cis women maybe, trans women probably not
what drugs and hypnosis are you planning on using?

Using drugs ye, but you could probably just manipulate them and get away with it

Is there going to be rape in your cult? If I'm not getting raped then I'm not interested

>>43598164
well i was planning on doing it like one of those plant growth experiments and try different drugs for each one. I would create custom blends for each one so that they would never have to think again in time, but it would take a lot of experimentation to find the exact recipe. i would probably start by experimenting with lsd and mescaline on them alongside sensory stimulus of me to maximize their body's response. The first thing I would probably do is implant a bunch of false memories inside of them so that they forget what their real life was and don't end up missing it and saying "i want to go home let me free" or other annoying things like that. I would create 5 or 6 false sets of memories about how i saved their lives or was always there for them. It'd take a couple months but it's a good start. after that I would probably start encoding them with trigger words that make them forget what's happening and do a specific action. At that point, I would probably start letting them out of their cells and program them into having codependency with one another underneath me. It would be a lot like gardening.

>>43598227
rape? i have a video of you saying that you consented to what happened yesterday. let me go put it on and show you

>>43598117
>>43598277
this is so hot

>>43598455
you're a very good girl for letting your body teach you where you belong

>>43598117
>>43598277
maybe, but its too bad that your plan doesnt work, because hypnosis isnt real! Do you really think you could get a tranner to completely obey your whims against their own best interest? I know we're weak, but our brains must be stronger than than.
You can't just use a single word and have us drop our entire personality and obey.

>>43598277
oh my god

>>43598546
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>>43598691
>You can't just use a single word and have us drop our entire personality and obey.
wrong

>>43598740
>wrong
That doesn't really constitute an answer! You're talking about some really extreme (and dumb) stuff. And i mean because none of the stuff you're talking about is real, you havn't even tested any of it. Because if you had a real tranner and tested absolutely any of the things you're talking about, you'd realize real quickly that this isn't how it works.
That our heads are stronger than whatever you're imagining. And wouldn't just give in.

>>43598117
hi can we join your cult, we can make esoteric vaguely religious art for it :3

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>>43598821
And what is that strength going to bring you? It's not brave to run away from what you want anyways. You were born to serve. You know that. Why are you trying to ignore your calling? Good girls give in because they know that they belong to me.
>>43598836
Yes, you've been chosen. You can be one of my flowers. Go and make some artwork for me now.

doesnt work

its working......

lol wtf did i have for lunch again it stinks like hell in here

this is the same hazbin hotel poster who was bitched the fuck out about never touching a tranny or he will be clobbered to death

>>43598945
>What is that strength going to bring you?
It's not about what is going to be brought or how i'd benefit, it's just a passive protection that even a tran SHOULD have against some weird person with weird ideas that they shouldn't care about.
Like, it should be rude to be walking around telling someone they were born to serve! You're not meant to talk to other people like that, and the fact that you are is the kind of thing that should signal someone's brain to let them know not to trust whatever it is you're trying to say or do.
>Good girls give in because they know that they belong to me.
That hasn't been decided.. Just because you say it doesn't mean anything. Again you can't just use a single word and have us drop our entire personality and obey...

>>43599075
ily nona, keep fighting the good fight against dummies like that!!

touching my gock rn

>>43599075
>That hasn't been decided.. Just because you say it doesn't mean anything. Again you can't just use a single word and have us drop our entire personality and obey...
it has already been decided. deep down you know that you're a good girl and that's why you want to obey me. you're just a little embarrassed, but that's okay.

>>43599108
Thanks nona. yeah IDK what it is with people thinking they can do whatever they want. But thats what words are for, showing them why they're wrong. I'll keep it up, for you.
>>43599135
>you're just a little embarrassed, but that's okay.
Embarrassment is like a vital function of society. It's there to let you know you're doing something bad or wrong or inappropriate, to keep you from making mistakes. So the fact i'm feeling a little embarrassed isn't 'okay', it's a signal that you're out of line.
What i do know deep down is that i'm right. And anything else i feel is secondary.

We can make sinister tranny edits of you and use you in our propaganda like james mason and Charles Manson but mentally ill troons. For the TNP (transsexual national socialist party)

>>43599237
>Embarrassment is like a vital function of society. It's there to let you know you're doing something bad or wrong or inappropriate, to keep you from making mistakes. So the fact i'm feeling a little embarrassed isn't 'okay', it's a signal that you're out of line.
>What i do know deep down is that i'm right. And anything else i feel is secondary.
That's a shame. Those "secondary feelings" would have wiped your tears and given you a good home and a loving owner. If you ever get tired of "being right", I'll keep an empty bed for you.

>>43599297
You can't just walk away smugly and declare victory.
You've insulted basically every tranner and keep (wrongly!) talking about me wanting to do what you say.
You could at least apologize, please. Or admit you're wrong about being able to use a single word to command us.

>>43599336
I have victory as long as I'm surrounded by my flowers. The weeds can scatter their seeds somewhere else. The only women I'm interested in are the ones that follow me willingly. How could I say that they are mine if they haven't given themselves over? Good flowers receive their nourishment from me and bloom.

>>43599369
IDK about all that, i'm not a philosopher. But you could at least retract what you've said about me! Pretty please?
I think i won the argument and you're trying to say i'm not one of your girls. I mean i wouldn't just do some stupid thing you commanded me to, regardless of how it feels.
But i'm kind of stubborn and want the insult retracted!

>>43599417
>I mean i wouldn't just do some stupid thing you commanded me to, regardless of how it feels.
>But i'm kind of stubborn and want the insult retracted!
i think you want me to tell you something that isn't true. i don't think you were insulted at all. I think you were really flustered because you imagined being mine and it made you feel really good. Isn't that what happened?

>>43599465
but i mean i really am stubborn. Your stupid words are annoying and i don't want to lose to someone like you.
And i mean its a natural response to feel strange when you're talking to someone who's going on about crazy things (that both do not make sense! and are not real!)
We're not all like whatever you're thinking we are...

>>43598117
>>43598117
UNFORTUNATELY, while >>43598691 is not strictly right, and hypnosis is "real", for some definitions of "real", your plan still wouldn't work. it's important to remember first of all that humans are animals, and also that our brains store information in their structure. not to say people can't forget, or make false memories, or be changed, but this is why torture, for instance, causes brain damage - the brain is not like a hard drive, it's physical media with the memories and personality of the person etched into its structure. your plan wouldn't work in the way you expect it. people would get antsy and probably respond badly to your attempts at fake memories, and they probably wouldn't work, anyway. the desire to leave comes more from ideas about the future and present than the past! it would be more about hope and discontentment than an imagined past. i would say you would be better off focusing on more behaviourist modes of control in the induction phase, and also really really teaching them to induce amnesia in themselves with a trigger. that is a difficult thing to achieve, but obviously very powerful! ideally have specified punishments and rewards, and even better, use social status and shame/pride to bolster and internalize these. the codependency is a good idea. look into what other cults have done, and psychology. but you do seriously neglect behaviourist modes of control - arguably the most efficacious modes of control available to you - and your understanding of what motivates and controls behaviour is flawed
i would join your cult.

>>43599537
you're very cute anon! and you're almost entirely right. but i would say you can use a single word to command someone, easily! it just depends on context and what you have already put in their mind. certainly, if someone pointed a gun at you, you would probably "drop your entire personality and obey". but why is that? only because you know what a gun is and you have learnt what to do! such as it is other things can be induced, or even it can just be more force. i do agree with you that OP doesn't really know what they're doing. keep up your motivated stubbornness! it is admirable. and don't forget you are right. don't give in to someone who doesn't deserve it

>>43599654
I mean thanks for calling me cute.. that's not the point but yeah. I guess you are right about obeying and the rest.
>Don't give in
I wont!

>>43599537
>We're not all like whatever you're thinking we are...
i know you better than you know yourself. i know your stubbornness too, that's why i continued to talk to you. I know when you're going to give up, and when you're going to thank me for getting those little delusions out of your head. When you read this you're going to think "I'm going to resist as much as I can to prove her wrong" and it will make me enjoy breaking your will even more.
>>43599557
I already have a couple behavioral plans set up. In the first few months I'm going to give my girls showers and feed them by hand until they can be trusted to take care of one another. after I've conditioned them with my personal touch, I will put them on schedules where each girl is on a rotation behind the last and they reinforce each other's behavior. In the middle of the day I'll let them play with each other and serve me. We'll have dinner together and I'll teach them all the important messages I've received from God. Then in the evenings I'll work through my rehabilitation therapy with them and turn them into better wives. The others can help once they've proven themselves to be good girls that aren't stubborn. Obviously I'll do other stuff to condition them to be obedient like make them all wear the same clothes and punish them when they have thoughts without my permission.

>>43599818
>When you read this you're going to think "I'm going to resist as much as I can to prove her wrong"
You don't get points for handing the other team the ball. Of course I'd try to avoid doing whatever it is you want me to do. I'm not trying to lose to some loser that sees me as a manipulable toy.
I'm getting sketical of your whole attitude. i'm having a conversation and you're here thinking about making my head completely empty and thanking you for being so superior and showing me how dumb i was. gross.

>>43599733
you do seem really cute, and genuinely intelligent, and i think that is relevant! i don't think OP would be so insistent on arguing with you if you weren't. they want you to say they're right and say you want to submit them, and they only want these things so badly because you are cute and well-spoken
>>43599818
how you speak about it indicates you are very lacking in your understanding of the application of behaviourist principles. look into how we train dogs, as a starter. i don't think you understand how behaviour works, or how cults work. i don't think you understand how people work. it's okay. most cult leaders are really actually very stupid and most of them also get away with terrible despicable things anyway. you'd probably be successful enough and learn through practice. but i don't like it.
>punish them when they have thoughts
radical behaviourism was wrong. this wouldn't work. look into cognitive behavioural therapy, and other evidence-based therapies for anxiety - these are the best ways we know to control people's thoughts.
i don't think i would actually join your cult. i don't know why i said that in the first place.

>>43599933
thanks.. That's not the point but yeah, I'm trying to make some real points and then when they're backed into a corner they start talking nonsense. and yeah, that's probably what they want from me. thanks. I know the argument is also partially my fault...
But they're also super wrong!

>>43599920
>gross
Exactly what I was thinking about the way you're speaking right now. Your attitude is too disgusting for me to tolerate at the moment, so be quiet until you have something nice to say.
>>43599933
>i don't think i would actually join your cult. i don't know why i said that in the first place.
I wouldn't allow you in anyways. You believe you know better than everybody else. It's not worth my time to educate people like that.

>>43600026
i do not know much psychology. i don't know much about anything at all. i don't think i know better than many people at all at much of anything. if i know better than you, that's a failure of your own.
>>43599983
you are right! and it's fine to argue so long as you're having fun.

>>43600128
>i do not know much psychology. i don't know much about anything at all. i don't think i know better than many people at all at much of anything. if i know better than you, that's a failure of your own.
you don't know better than me, you just know so little that you think you do. The ones that know nothing know enough for me to teach them.

>>43600128
>as you're having fun
I suppose getting revenge! can be a kind of fun..
>>43600026
Okay. I'm sorry if i was acting gross or out of line with that. But you did try to provoke me. So it's not all my fault.

>>43600152
>Okay. I'm sorry if i was acting gross or out of line with that. But you did try to provoke me. So it's not all my fault.
that's not good enough and you know it

>>43600182
I'm sorry for being gross. I was a bit upset and said something that disgusted you. That's wrong of me.

>>43600214
I'll accept your apology if you promise to be a good girl from now on.

>>43600232
I'm not just going to agree to whatever dumb conception you bring up. But i can be good. (which i was, for the majority of this conversation)

>>43600254
just be quiet. you're irritating.

>>43600318
sorry...

>>43600332
no, that's not going to cut it. you think you can just keep trying to go willfully against me just because i took a passing interest in you? you don't deserve the kind of family I was ready to give you. I gave you so many chances to put your pride aside, and you kept throwing yourself into the garbage. It's beyond disgusting. It wouldn't be easy for even someone as kind as me to forgive you anymore.

>>43600373
I'm sorry! I dont need whatever it is you're talking about, i just wanted you to retract what you said about tranners being easy to manipulate and control and also the things you said about me in specific.
If you're kind, can you at least tell me what you'd want me to do for you to admit you were wrong about that stuff? I'll be annoyed for a while if i can't get at least that. I mean im not in any garbage! If you tell me what you'd need from me to be able to forgive me and admit i'm right, i'd do it.

>>43600422
stop pretending to be stupid. I'll happily retract everything I said about you. I don't want somebody so disgusting and impure. The only thing I was wrong about was your ability to know what's good for you. Now leave, and be a waste of space somewhere else.

>>43600465
ok..

>>43600487
go

>>43600524
yes ma'am...

>>43600551
if you'd just said that from the beginning you would have been a lot happier.

>>43600661
that's not what its about. i was talking about how dumb it is to think you can just hypnotize a tranner and make them obey your commands or embarrass themselves.

>>43600724
didn't i tell you to leave? you've already embarrassed yourself plenty without my help

>>43600775
sorry maam. i just wanted to prove you wrong.. that we don't all just obey when someone gives a stern command.

>>43600809
spite really is the most disgusting character trait.

>>43600914
not as bad as envy

>>43601053
then you must be envious too

>>43598117
Is this that same trans woman that keeps asking people to join her cult in several threads? Or is this a dude?

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>>43601084
>Is this that same trans woman that keeps asking people to join her cult in several threads?
it might be someone else if they've been spamming. i talk about it sometimes but not all that often. you should join my cult instead of hers. you can have a pet cat in my cult and we go for hikes together

>>43601173
>cat
DROPPED

>>43601188
you can have a dog too but you have to take them for a walk 2 times a day

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>>43598117
>>43598277
>hypnosis
Personally from what I’ve learned, it isn’t that hypnosis is real or not, but that only specific types of minds can be receptive to hypnotic influences. It’s tragic if OP’s angle is a religious based cult because I’ve been curious with finding an opportunity to explore sessions involving hypnosis (either sfw or nsfw) due to my brains supposed susceptibility and extremely vivid imagination without drugs involved, but I’d probably be hesitant consenting into an environment with heavy implicit, nsfw nature when I’d probably not find the instructor bare minimally presentable.

>>43601212
ok but the dogs I like try to eat and kill cats. my dog has killed 3 possums, a bird, and a few lizards
maybe you can hypno me into liking cats

>>43601335
but what if i'm cute

>>43601451
>maybe you can hypno me into liking cats
that sounds like a good experiment for science

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>>43601453
Knowing how malleable my heart is, I’d probably fold. But this scenario is quite unlikely just by hypothesizing the type of person unhinged enough whom didn’t take a different path exploiting their cute factor;

An attractive psychopath on a harem quest wouldn’t bother a niche subject such as hypnosis, instead of just natural persuasion and charisma alone. But as open a mind I have, the possibility could still exist I guess.

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>>43601084
>that keeps asking people to join her cult in several threads
do you mean me? no, i am not op. the thread caught my eye for a tiny bit but this is not the type of cult i am trying to start. i am not interested in sex stuff or controlling people. i dont see that stuff as scaling very well when it comes to getting as many people to cooperate as possible, though i am open to form a merger or alliance of sorts with groups that are more focused on the communal transbian demographic. honestly i just call it a cult because it sounds better than "new religious movement" or something of that sort, but it can give people the wrong idea about what i am talking about...

i will probably pause posting again after a while after tmmrw making a thread. i have been procastinating for a bit from what needs to be done, which leads to typing more here

>>43601173
have you made much progress with it

>>43602093
>have you made much progress with it
i'm still in the brainstorming phase

>>43598117
>>43598277
>>43598546
Hiii I want to join your cult! Here's what I have to offer you: I'm very submissive and obedient so you wouldn't even have to train me, I'm a major masochist, and I don't have any real principles, I believe whatever I have to to not be rejected and thrown away.
What is your gender, are you cis or trans, and what country?