this thread is dead on arrival desu

>>43604368
I'll start

I've been forcing myself to listen to more girly music, at first it went horribly and I really just thought that I was doomed to have exclusively malebrained music tastes forever, but eventually I found stuff that clicked and spotify did the rest, now I have gigantic playlists of pretty fem music (mostly just synthpop/hyperpop) to listen to that I genuinely enjoy a lot

I think the overarching point here is that it's impossible to actively force yourself to try new things, for me this is difficult because well, it makes me feel like a weirdo who's "betraying" myself to fit an external ideal, but at the same time, I'm neglecting my future self by refusing to grow!

>>43604386
why? what's wrong with it

>>43604389
>pretty fem music
>synthpop/hyperpop
nona...

>>43604395
Are Tiffany Day and Magdalena Bay not fem?

>>43604368
im not nice enough, it's malebrained but I feel like it's also just not a good way to be and something I don't like about myself in general, it feels impossible to go beyond the bare minimum of words to say to get through a social interaction.

>>43604405
Oh sorry, I assumed other kinds of synthpop/hyperpop

>>43604428
I don't know what's culturally normal where you live anon, atleast where I live, women are usually just more polite and sweet when making small talk, I don't think you need to say much, just smile while doing it

>>43604441
...like?

this is a new genre to me that I haven't really explored much (again, out of some kind of neurotic fear of betraying myself) so I wasn't even aware that most of the music in this genre is masc(?)

>>43604368
>strategies for becoming more fembrained
I cringe every time some goyslop "culture" is suggested for this. Being more fembrained isn't about what kind of music you like. The most fembrained submissive straight cis women can be found at technical death metal concerts for crying out loud.
What actually makes you more fembrained is how you act. Your actions control your thoughts a lot more than the other way around.

>>43604631
Well can you explain anon?

And to elaborate on why I've been listening to more girly music recently, it just makes me feel more confident in my own femininity, suddenly I don't feel like an interloper when watching make up tutorials or whatever, and it makes me want to more readily embrace whatever feminine desires I may have. I consider that a step in the right direction, there's value to just feeling like you're not socially cut off from other women.

>>43604631
and to elaborate further, those cis women at TDM concerts have a trillion other things that keep them in contact the feminine shared unconsciousness, as they not only are AFAB (and therefore experience things like periods and automatically passing as women) but also have endured a female upbringing, from which all further socialisation, including being at a TDM concert, is built upon.

For trannies the situation is obviously different, hence why after 5 years of girlmoding and many more spent boymoding, I've decided that it's important for me to force female socialisation on myself more.

utterly ridiculous thread. hopeless

>>43604693
>>43604711
I don't disparage such options, I just don't think they're that useful compared to other intentional acts.
>I've decided that it's important for me to force female socialisation on myself more
This is good and right.
But do that IRL. Wanna enjoy girly music? Fine, head to the concerts. On a girls' night out.
I don't enjoy most of the "girly" music but girls' night out are a constant fixture of my life. That's how I became more fembrained.
Also, I don't "girlmode". I'm a 30-something year old woman. Mentality matters a lot more than too many trannies give it importance to.
>I consider that a step in the right direction, there's value to just feeling like you're not socially cut off from other women
You have the correct instinct and most certainly you are right to attempt to socially connect to other women. What I am saying is that emphasizing music tastes (or generally goyslop "culture" tastes) is nowhere near as important as it's made to be in terminally online spaces (for trans or cis women, actually).

>>43604721
lmao

>>43604721
>>43604842
>>43604386
Instead of making snide remarks like this, can any one of you explain why this thread is so "bad"?

Lots of nonas on this board complain about not being fembrained enough, and that makes perfect sense given that us MTFs are initially raised as men and therefore have to undo our male socialisation. We're literally suffering from personality dysphoria.

And don't pretend that personality is some kind of innate immutable trait, and that we should all be ashamed for not being giga fembrained right out of the womb, everyone's personality develops as they go through life, this thread is helping people guide their personality in a gender congruent direction.

>>43604801
Goyslop stuff tends to be more overtly feminine, I have tonnes upon tonnes of androgynous tastes, but I want to feel like an actual woman and not just some sexless cerebal eunuch for once y'know?

>But do that IRL. Wanna enjoy girly music? Fine, head to the concerts. On a girls' night out.
yeah I'm sure that would be more efficient, but why does everything need to be some kind of optimisation problem? I'm trying to enjoy myself and go at my own pace, and if I'm going to be honest, the only cis female friends I have are all neurodivergent and not particularly feminine themselves, I'm genuinely terrified of normie cis women because I feel like I'm making a mockery of their gender expression, so I consider the baby steps I'm taking now to be an important stepping stone towards more higher yield activities in the future.
But again, this isn't supposed to be an optimisation problem and not interested in doing anything I don't want to, I'm just trying to keep an open mind and just embrace any inclination I may feel towards typically feminine things.

Also it's not just music, I'm trying to feminise my presentation more too, previously I'd dress very bookish and reserved, but I'm going to start wearing more makeup, I'm going to dye my hair soon, and I'm to start wearing normal clothes in summer instead of hoodies and jackets in summer (because I'm terrified people seeing my skin)

>>43604801
And finally, as for your disdain for "goyslop", I actually think you have a disdain for things that reflect "common" or "basal" sentiment (love and sex basically) , which is what a lot of so called goyslop media revolves around, people on 4chan, who tend to live detached lives in their heads a lot, usually find this stuff to be repulsive as I did for a long time, but I actually have decided that it's healthy to integrate and embrace this side of ourselves eventually to attain a balanced psychosocial state, just as "normies" should eventually embrace their more cerebal sides. We are not brains-in-jars, just as we're not also instinctual animals.

>>43604389
I think the problem with this tactic is that it's really just AGP?

>>43605209
wanting to be/feel/appear more feminine is agp?
do you think transitioning as a whole is agp or something? Or does this standard not extend past the body?
Is it agp when women listen to feminine music? or just when trannies do it?
Is it AGP when a cis woman says "I feel like less of a woman because I have small breasts" (real quote from my mother btw) and then decides to get BA surgery?
I'm sorry but I'm really frustrated with the insane double standards that trannies will enforce upon themselves but not cis women

like seriously I'm beginning to think that my best step ought to be just leaving this website for good desu.

>>43604368
Insane thread
You cannot make your soul or mind more feminine like this
you are either born in it or are forced by outside influences to act a certain way like parents in early childhood or propaganda later on
This is useless
most male brained trans are just fetishists agp adjacent porn minded males not real trutrans women

>>43605790
your post is a contradiction
>You cannot make your soul or mind more feminine like this
okay you can't make yourself fembrained
>forced by outside influences to act a certain way like parents in early childhood or propaganda later on
okay so you can become more fembrained via external influences

which one is it?

>>43605810
If you are already a moid you cannot become a foid, only manipulated unwillingly
Willingly trying is the contradiction

>>43605827
do you have a single reason to believe that it has to be "unwilling" manipulation?

I would've thought that the reverse would be true, if you want something, you would embrace it instead of resisting it, do you think that it's easier to mentally feminise a male brained cis chad or a boymoder?

>>43605252
Kinda but it's more that trying to reverse engineer femininity through listening to music is AGPish.

>>43605880
Do you think that girls are inherently born fembrained and are thus born liking Taylor Swift and pink, or rather become fembrained by having feminine media forced upon them by their parents and their peers throughout their developmental years?

If it's the later, then is it really "reverse engineering"?

Also, what do you think AGP means? I feel like we're talking about two different things here, I understand AGP as having a sexual fetish for being feminine, there's nothing sexual about this for me, I just want to be a real woman in both soul and body, and surgery + HRT has only really helped me with the later but I still feel horribly isolated from other women. Is it a sexual fetish that I feel dysphoric over that?

>>43605855
None of those who need to be manipulated will be authentic anyway
And a malebrain will always be male for this reason, anything it adds will be nothing but a veneer.

>>43606082
you sound genuinely low IQ and it's clear you're not arguing in good faith. Dumb and dishonest, what a sad combination. I'm done talking to miserable halfwits, goodbye.

>>43606101
hrt made me retarded yes

>>43606142
Oh so you're a bimbofication fetishist and a misogynist too? Grim, perhaps some mental feminization would do you good.

>>43605940
Its more than *music* as the avenue is just kind of silly when what you need is to socialize.

>>43607366
no im a man

>>43607403
no offense, I'm sure you're a nice person and all, but I'm tired of playing wack-a-mole with your thoughtless posts

Is an obsession with the gentle art of murder fembrained? Lots of women are into true crime but they seem to be into the deceiving police part of it and not the physical techniques themselves.

>>43607366
nta but you're not being reasonable either.
I literally trooned for the fetish but ended up loving it somewhere down the line. The other anon is being in bad faith but c'mon, nona.
>perhaps some mental feminization would do you good
we all could use more of it, unironically <3

>>43609010
i don't care if someone transitions for a fetish, truthfully I believe that everyone who transitions has some of neurodivergence that leads them to this lifestyle, including you, but even if not, then I still support it on grounds of individual liberty alone

I just get annoyed at people who genuinely think that women are collectively dumb as a group, and even more annoyed at people who people who propagate the idea that HRT makes you dumber, as an OCD teenager, hearing literal susanhons insinuate it genuinely gave me second thoughts about transitioning even though I knew it was unsubstantiated BS

>>43609296
>people who genuinely think that women are collectively dumb as a group
Ironically, that is a dumb belief. Women's operating system is a little bit different, sure. The more I integrated with women the more sense things made.
>HRT makes you dumber
I suspect that comes in part from fetish discourse (I should be familiar with that) but also from people who think hrt is magic. Yes, it changes one's drive to do things, but one can (and must) adapt, and I suspect those saying shit like this haven't figured that part out (or haven't even tried).
>everyone who transitions has some of neurodivergence that leads them to this lifestyle, including you
If I do, there isn't a name for it. I score(d) low on tism, adhd, bpd and really any disorder that is even loosely associated as "comorbid" (I hate that term, but w/e).
>susan
That place created more reppers than anything else. I probably would've ngmi if I were legit dysphoric and not just a perv mef weirdo.
>on grounds of individual liberty alone
<3
Big fan of bodily autonomy of course. We'd all be better off with more of it and less of this divisive policing.

>>43605827
This is outright false.
Yes, having someone "manipulate" you helps (quite a bit) but the "manipulation" only works if you really want it. It's a psychological hack to leverage neuroplasticity.
t. >>43609010

>>43604368
Jung postulates that every psyche has a Shadow, those parts of ourselves we are afraid of, ashamed of. It is possible to work on one's Shadow, to learn to see and understand those parts, and sort through the good and bad and not let it just be reflexively fearful to us. For transgender individuals the Shadow will be a mixture of Male and Female archtypes, those Male archtypes that a MTF finds repellent in themselves and others, and the Female archtypes they may wish to embody but are afraid, reluctant or ashamed to embrace.

It is impossible to change one's mentality in a forcible way, but one can take inventory and sort through it if they feel safe and empowered to do so.

If feminization is the goal, starting with hygiene and personal environment will do wonders. Surround yourself with artwork, clothes and household items you associate with femininity. Having them within eye sight and arms reach most of the time.

>>43609787
I mean, I believe that GNC to the extent that someone willingly intractably modifies their sexual characteristics is a symptom of some kind of neurodivergence that also includes gender dysphoria, in otherwords, I think you just have gender euphoria and that makes you valid
anyway I like mefanons, you're all very cute and fascinating imo.

>>43609987
Jung really has the most amazing intuition of any human I've ever learned of, nothing he says is empirically supported, yet it all appears so obvious once one hears his thoughts
Anyway, that is to say that I completely agree with this way of framing things, and I've been gradually doing this as well, for example I've always had a massive fear of the colour pink, first because it was forbidden fruit, now because I associate it with bimbo/sissy stuff, but I recognise that this framing is reactionary nonsense and most women feel empowered by wearing pink, so yeah I've tried adding more pink to my personal living space and wardrobe, that's just one example...

ty nona

>>43610161
>GNC to the extent that someone willingly intractably modifies their sexual characteristics is a symptom of some kind of neurodivergence
Fair. I don't deny that what I did was a little bit crazy.
>you just have gender euphoria
Pretty much on target.
I didn't hate it being a straight man. But at least once a week I'm glad I cut that short.
Socially it's not a big difference (though lately I started enjoying it more), but sexually,... yeah, this was a good idea. Especially on Sunday night at the end of yet another wild week-end, heh.

bump

>>43615698
honestly this board is so washed nowadays

I highly suspect that chasers and tourists out number actual trannies nowadays, who've all moved onto plebbit or twitter.