i probably wouldnt care too much, but being in feeder spaces would 1000% make me transphobic, which it honestly has now

if i was exactly as i am now but had the experiences of a cis woman and not a trans woman, i probably would not. actual tranny me does not like the framing of identity as an explanation of being trans. for example i am a woman because my body is recognised as female and because i live the life of a woman. i do have a 'gender identity' but that is not the driving force of why i transitioned, i am not a woman because i 'feel like a woman'. if i was a cis woman and lacked the first hand experience to understand that being trans is more than just this abstract feeling, i think i would be confused as to why people transition. i'd not understand that trans women live lives as women and do not live as men, because there is so much propaganda about trans womanhood as something illogical and irrational and perverse. i think maybe i'd need to meet a really based and cool tranny in order to challenge that. otherwise, i think i would be passively hostile to the idea of transition even if i was not like a ideological TERF

>>43617741
well said nonie

>>43617727
definitely not>>43617741
trans women are not real women

>>43617748
i am a real woman sorry idk what to say
>>43617745
thanks sis

honestly after being on hrt for 10 years and done with transition i understand why cissoids be like that
so no

>>43617741
You have a vagina? If you have a penis you are still in male body

>>43617754
i was told to avoid people who asked about my private parts you weirdo
stranger danger!

I don't even support trans women as a trans woman

>>43617763
uncle TIM ass bitch

>>43617727
I'm a cis man and don't support them so probably not.

>>43617769
>I'll be transphobic to trannies i don't like
And this is why lol trannies are all shitty moidbrained scum seething at the mouth to call you slurs if you say something that doesn't fit their tankie mindworms

I support normal trannies not weird smelly online tankies that spend their days doing drugs and playing vidya

>>43617774
i am a normal tranny by that standard i just think you're nasty af

>>43617785
>you made one joke so I can misgender you
>but you're the nasty one
Ok lol I can see you're the 41% kind

>>43617790
girl you're being agro for no reason, you know that wasn't misgendering you. you're some pick me bitch and i was calling you a pick me bitch, stop clutching pearls.
>wahhhh you misgendered me its maaaaam
lmao you're acting like the trannies you hate

>>43617790
Bodied that freak

I would 100% be both a terf and a chaser.

I hate trannies yet fell for one from this board

>>43617727
yes, except if i was so ugly, that even some trannies would mog me, then i'd be a terf

>>43617727
i'm not sure. i would hopefully try to. but i'd be a completely different person with an entirely different life experience, so it's like impossible to say.

>>43617727
I’m a trans woman and even I don’t support trans women, I sure as hell wouldn’t be advocating for the wolves if I was a lamb.

it is hard to say but i like to think that i would. i would have had a completely different life and experiences, though, and i grew up in an environment which rejected wholesale the idea of "transgender" as even a legitimate thing a person could be, so it probably would have taken me a while to come around. i think that being transgender myself was the impetus for challenging everything i was taught. it's kind of scary to think about the kind of person i might be if i weren't trans, or the kind of person even my brother or parents might be if i were not trans. maybe i assume too much, though, and maybe my environment did not really have such sticky ideological influence. idk.
>>43617732
as someone who has never interacted with anything or anyone in feeder spaces: why?
>>43617948
you make me sad

>>43617991
>you make me sad

Every single trans person I’ve ever met makes me sad, hurting me, lying to me, fucking me over to get to my partner (which they succeeded at)

All I have left is my spite and my anger.

>>43617991
it is 85% taken over by pre estrogen hons who have put no effort into looking feminine, sometimes dont even bother to shave their body hair, its really sad as a fat tranny going into those spaces and the trans rep is so bad, its why i just say im cis and have no issues at all!!
and its not even in the trans spaces where trans women are! its in every space.

and honestly i wouldnt care if 99% of the community was trans i just wish they were cute, often its genuinely disturbing seeing the images they post, they can be so bad its like a discord gif someone edgy you know would have saved bc its so gross.

also there is a very large overlap with these types and the ones who are really gross in the way that they talk too, like discord groomer type ykwim, and they struggle with taking no for an answer

>>43617727
I am very very woke and so I absolutely would

>>43618004
i'm sorry that you have had these experiences nonny. please understand that anecdotes and inividual actions cannot represent the character of a broad and diverse group. are you a good person? do you belive that you possess the capacity to be and do good? surely you cannot be the only one?
>>43618012
i see...i think there is something to be said about the psychic warping that spending lots of time in fetish communities can incur, and how this warping relates to one's upbringing and socialization...but i understand. ty for explaining :)

>>43618029
I know I’m not a good person and I actively work to fix that. I got lectured enough by the people who hurt me that I need to do better. I have been doing that and I’ve improved a lot while those people just got worse and more abusive. I don’t think I’m the only good one, I know that I’m bad too. I hide myself away and refuse to show my heart to anyone, at least I’m staying out of the way of others.

>>43617727
Yea cuz i'd recognize that transphobia is just a product of misogyny. Id be woke as fuuuuck

>>43617727
Sure why not?

>>43617727
trans women are not real women
trans men are not real men
intersex people are not real human beings, they're birth defects.

god/allah says there's only two sexes/genders - cannot switch between the two meow

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>>43618043
i just don't believe that you are as bad as you say you are. often i feel the same. i have done awful things in the past and i will wear the stones around my neck forever. but i know that i am good. i am a good person. i try my best, at least.
if you are working "to fix" your inherent badness, i find it difficult to think of this badness as truer to you than the goodness with which you are trying to supplant it. do deliberate actions in the interest of goodness and self-improvement not represent your genuine will?
trans women are not wolves...you are simply acquainted with an unfortunate cohort. i hope that someday you come to know some of the trans women i have. and i hope that you get to see yourself for the good person you are :)

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>>43618061
>Allah

>>43617727
support? idk.
Tolerate, totally. I don't think i would be a TERF.
Be friends with? Maybe a bit? But internet trannies and weed puppygirl types i would stay the fuck away from

>>43617754
Trannies always have a penis, it's just that some of them have penises aiming inward

>>43617727
I would be an insufferable libtard normie performatively supporting trannies. And I'd also be way happier and probably a better person as well.

>>43618277
why do you think you would be a better person?

>>43617727
Chances are it'd take a bit but i'd probably have a few thoughts about gender, even now im rounding up to the nearest binary with woman, and once i got to that point id at least treat all trans people in the same boat as me, albeit at different levels of being tortured by the society machine. (Dear black transgender women i am so sorry for your luck)
Would defo be confused and not able to understand anything at first as everyone is, but being alienated for the whole autistic-nerd thing would eventually give me enough room to relate. (Was independant of assigned gender, been on the gamer grind since day one) Very real chance of having alienation taken advantage of and get sucked into the terf black hole, eventually clawing out due to just how mean spirited it is.
Wouldnt hang out with the weedsex crowd cause i dont do it now anyway.

Thinking exactly how your life wouldve gone if you were cisgender instead is normal and healthy :)

>>43618012
could very well argue those people are the hypothetical "transitioning for a fetish agp"s all the chuds think we are, especially when they seem to have a fondness about femininity being humiliating
shame cause its really easy for kink spaces to be dominated by a few annoying people who do not know how to present in them and don't care to make an effort

>>43618254
Penile inversion isn't the only kind of SRS

>>43617727
I am and I do

>>43618420
>theyfabanon
>cis woman
how is your self-concept, theyfabanon? i am curious

>>43617727
Probably yes, because I would've never been in the trans spaces that would've made me question it, and because the assorted isolated newsworthy events would've been less of a direct threat to my own rights.
Being trans has probably made me slightly more transphobic, in at least that sometimes I want to scrutinize some people's intentions and behavior way more.
>>43617741
I don't think most cis people really understand why we transition, or that hormones actually change you, or that it's possible to end up literally looking like a woman. The push to depathologize gender identity has left them with nothing concrete to latch onto.
>>43617774
Something like that honestly.
>>43618061
>some dumbfuckery about intersex people
When I think literally all Abrahamic religious scripture was written it would not have been possible to distinguish some technically male humans from females. TERF ideology presumes that modern medical testing can discover God's intent. Which means it presupposes that God makes mistakes, and that man's understanding of God's work is somehow less fallible. Which is heretical.

Only the ones who know their place

>>43617727
>white cis woman from lower-middle class family on terf island
probably not from my ivory tower
>>43617741
>if i was a cis woman and lacked the first hand experience to understand that being trans is more than just this abstract feeling, i think i would be confused as to why people transition
pre-2000s framing of
>woman stuck/born in mans body
was 100x easier for normoids to grok and sympathize with
imo modern 'gender identity' framing, even when done in good faith, makes them think its some kind of elective social trend where the goal is to be some kind of fag-lite
>i think maybe i'd need to meet a really based and cool tranny in order to challenge that
i hate how true and unfair this is in practice, it's like a humiliation ritual

>>43617727
yea but not the white ones though

>>43617727
I would be so absurdly woke as a cis woman. I am left leaning on most issues despite being here for like 15 years. I can’t imagine how woke I would be if I didn’t spend all of my time around unironic misogynists, racists, and other forms of right-leaning nuttery.

>>43617727
no but I'd be less transphobic

>>43618479
Cis woman who's kinda androgynous and uses they/them pronouns primarily. But generally I just don't really care about gender stuff, if people view me as a woman and use she/her on me that's fine, if people view me as a man and use he/him on me that's fine and if people see me as enby and use they/them on me that's fine too, any variation of any of that is okay by me.

>>43617727
yes, except the rapehons and reppers

>>43617727
No

Of course
In the same way I support anything. Rhetorically, with a shallow sense of accomplishment for imagining I might say something a little snippy when the trannies were being packed into the train. Obv I'd be patronizing and self important and think that their experience was just a silly little imitation of My Clearly Interesting And Unique Life.

if i was cisf and basically the same person i am now (resentful friendless doomer) i'd be just like one of the depressed tumblr terf bloggers i read lol

if I was a cis woman I'd probably be a theyfab so yeah, in a really virtue signally annoying cringe way.

>>43621620
>humiliation
What's the humiliation?

>>43617727
Yeah.
Basic decency doesn't change when genders change.

>>43621839
neat :) thank you. it is interesting that you think of yourself as cis, but i guess that tracks with self-appellating "theyfab".

t. enby

>>43617727
i am very liberal at my core, so probably yes.

>>43617727
Hell naw.

>>43623060
Lmfao yeah I just feel like I'm not into it as much as actual enbies are... Like people care about this stuff way more than I do so it feels wrong to just be like "AND ME! I'M ONE OF YOU RIGHT!" when realistically all I do is be a bit androgynous and go "Oh no, it's fine you can call me whatever I don't mind" when people ask for pronouns lmfao. I don't wanna steal the spotlight when there's people who are actually serious about this stuff yknow

>>43617727
no because ciswomen are roasties. if I was born female, I would probably be an evil roastie because I would have been super pretty.

>>43622811
having to accommodate and reframe someone else's negative, bigoted opinions and beliefs about you, while ignoring your own feelings in the name of civility, is humiliating
especially when you have to do it multiple times, with every person you meet, where you're essentially rationalizing your right to exist or whether you exist at all, to someone who couldn't care less

>>43623296
OK yeah when you put it that way :-/
Usually I just get curiosity. Occasionally I get people surprised I'm sane. I guess it hasn't been awful for me, but I get how it could be.

>>43624049
tbf i live on terf island, maybe that's why it's humiliating
>Usually I just get curiosity
honestly after a while it leaves you feeling like a zoo animal or specimen to be oogled and gawked at, like you're just a walking spectacle
bear in mind i'm 9 years hrt, post ffs, maybe it's cumulative fatigue idk, it just wears you down
>Occasionally I get people surprised I'm sane
yeah that's often the response i get, typically i'm the first trans person they've met as well...

>>43617727
To be completely honest
I would probably be a decently transphobic
Womp :<
Not anywhere near terf level but I certainly wouldn’t be fond of trans people

>>43624515
I live in the American Midwest. It's... something.

>>43617727
i would be a catholicanswers influencer or something

>>43617727
I would be such a chaser if I was a cis woman and constantly be trying to ride trans girl dick

>>43617727
No! If I magically woke up as a woman, I'd terf out immediately

>>43618358
i 1000% believe they are desu

>>43617727
yes but it would be the liberal white woman support where I say trans women are women and then treat them like a gay best friend

>>43617727
No, having your entire existence be a fucking full time gaslighting exercise is unhealthy to say the least for you and everyone around you.

>>43618012
If it makes you feel any better the trans men situation is alot worse.

>>43617754
U can say whatever you want but everyone in my life treats me as a woman and almost none of them have any interest in what's in my pants

I think Im doing ok

I'd be a submissive cisf chaser trying to get a tech mommy to make me her neet princess