I took hrt for 8 years and I haven't started passing yet!
so, uhh... what do you look like?
>>43620691A young boy (my office colleagues guess I'm 18-21 generally)
>>43620800And how old are you?
>>43620302what do you do besides take HRT in order to try and pass?
>>4362081326>>43620881Nothing because if passing requires effort then it's not really passing is it.Effort should be done to make you feel confident not to make you a woman.
>>43620302You have a masculine sense of self. You will never pass because you don't see yourself as a woman
>>43620962I mean yes having your testosterone suppressed as soon as you hit 18 does tend to keep you form masculinizing further
>>43620962even cis women have to put in effort you massive fucking retard. you can't just take estrogen and do nothing else and expect to pass. get a feminine haircut. weight cycle or gain weight if needed. learn how to dress yourself. learn makeup.
>>43621055TRVKE
>>43620962this you?
>>43621152>no laser>shit hair>terrible self care>no FFS>started as an adultshe just looks like a Walmart shopper
>>43621152It’s like peering into a magic mirror that shows the future
>>43621062Cis women aren't gendered male when they don't do these things they're just treated worse>>43621152Looks like me if I was a few years older yeunsee cc album#5J8CxmOdIiy1
>>43620302You never will. No one "passes" in the clear light of day.
>>43621379You don't sleep well, do you?
>>43621400Preaching to the choir I've been a doomer for a long long time now
>>43621400I passed so well that several men offered to marry me.
>>43621379you look fine. just take care of your dry, wiry hair and learn to do makeup>>43621424don't engage with the terfbot lmfao
>>43621422I had really bad sleep paralysis every night last year when I took that photo yeah
>>43621428One cherry picked photo that doesn't show my brow ridge off that well isn't looking fine unfortunately.Surgeon told me my jaw was too wide and brow too large...Never malefail irl either.
>>43620302imagine becoming US president and starting HRT at the same time then at the end of your second term you still don't pass
>>43621448probably because you put in 0 effort and expect hrt to magically fix all your problems, hon.
>>43621465Americans be like imagine a presidency>>43621470I'd put in effort to be beautiful but that's off the table, cis women can roll out of bed and pass even if they're not at their best.If you don't think that's the case you're coping on some level, what effort do YOU put in
>>43621448Because you don't really want to male fail. You see looking like a woman as male failure.
>>43621152I think about this picture at least once a week
>>43621503Malefailing is looking like a woman.If I passed I could be a woman finally and I'd be happier for it.
>>43621379i never understood how do you actually access to look at unsee iamges and i still dont
>>43621534If you really would be happier, you would do it. You don't want to do it. This is very clear to me
>>43621497i get laser every 4 to 6 weeks, i go to a hairdresser, i spend hours trying and retrying my makeup, looking at clothes, observing how cis women dress and style themselves, and wear their own makeup. i work on my mannerisms, my walk, i take care of my hair, pluck my eyebrows regularly, spend an hour a day voice training (or if i can't, just ambiently trying to talk in my preffered voice so it becomes second nature). why?
get a haircut and start learning clothes layering, just realize that hrt alone won't do much lol
>>43621588"she" won't listen. "she" thinks hrt is magic and passing is just owed to "her" with no effort
>>43621152This is why im not getting on the juice
>>43621583Doesn't this read as the desperate attempts of male? I've never heard of a woman being worried about this
>>43621633obviously it's the fucking desperate attempts of a male. we were born male and have to unlearn a lot of things and learn other things. what the fuck are you talking about? we're trans, therefore have to transition, and those things are part of the process
>>43621625You won't get on, "the juice" because you have a masculine orientation. Proven by the fact that you use the word the "juice", which is a very masculine way of expressing taking hormones
>>43621601why are you misgendering her retard
>>43621625cismoid you do more effort on your hairline but most of the shit youre doing doesnt do shit
>>43621647You don't think like a woman You'll never be a woman because you think like a man
>>43621656how are they a her if they do nothing a woman does and don't attempt to pass?
>>43621547It auto deletes after a while so you don't get a bunch of meanies being too honest about your appearance.>>43621567Do what lol start passing? If it was that easy sure.>>43621583Okay fair enough well I don't grow facial hair or have interest in makeup.I want my face to be a girls. I've been trying to voice train too...>>43621656Passoids think people who don't get lucky are subhuman and suffer because of some character flaw rather than Poor genetics.
>>43621675lol, lmao>>43621681
>>43621680ogre hands typed this
>>43621681It was easy for me a hell of a lot easier than trying to pass as a male. Yes I am mtf, and have always seen myself as a female
>>43621681if you want to pass, you have to try to pass. women wear makeup and do their eyebrows, therefore you have to do makeup and your eyebrows. women dress in certain ways, therefore you need to too.
>>43621666Hairline wise or like what.I know most of everything is a cope for bad genetics. I've been to /fit/ geg. Niggas will get on the weirdest of diets to cope with the fact their dad only got laid because of betabuxx
>>43621708I don't try to pass as male, I simply exist and that is society's default for me.You're being intentionally dense.>>43621710>Every woman wears makeup Lol you are delusional
>>43621588>Get a haircutWith what hair
>>43621710Women of passes women without doing any of those things! You have to make your mind so that you can pass in your own mind without doing anything as a female You can't see yourself as a male and then go out and live as a female,it just don't work that way
>>43621723i didn't say the word "every". i was speaking generally. if you could actually dispute what i was saying you'd reply to what i actually said instead of some other shit you made up
>>43621723You do try to pass as a male. You are constantly doing it because she insist upon your image to be male in your own mind. A woman doesn't look in the mirror just because she's ugly and see a man
>>43621725Go make your own thread cistard
After 4 years or so of hrt, I just look like an ugly faggot
>>43621741That's some bullshit philosophy you've created in your mind.I know in my heart I'm not a man but it is what I appear as to the world regardless.>>43621734If it's only generally a thing why do I need to do it
>>43621719if you know its cope why bother?Dut and Min 5% are the only non hrt things that actually can do something and even than vastly inferior since hrt at best case scenario can reverse 7 years of balding/thinning
>>43621763what do you think passing is?
>>43621763No it's not what you repair to the world it's much to appear to yourself you're on my generates an image of yourself as a male and therefore you see yourself male. I know this to be true because when I first went to the psychologist for gender just for it I told them I thought I was a female not I wanted to be a female and that's why I got therapy because I saw myself as a female not because I wanted to be a female
>>43621725literally grow your hair out faggot
>>43621681i was there at like 10 mins
>>43621797With what follicles? I've diffuse thinning
>>43621801I had it set to delete after 10 mins srry>>43621788Looking like a woman physically.Doesn't mean being pretty or wearing a dress or something.
>>43620302this is gonna be me in 8 years huh
>>43621763Nobody really sees pure reality we see what we believe we want to be or we think we are. You see yourself as a man because that's your identity to yourself you identify as male
>>43621828in order to pass you need to look a way that a random passerby would see as a woman. things like feminine clothes, makeup and feminine-coded signals that can help you pass, because people see those things and associate them with women
>>43621838Not definitely but if it is then it could be worse, you could've experienced 8 years of t instead.I'm happy I didn't have to age as a man so far but I've wasted my 20s so far waiting to pass even though I knew it wouldn't happen deep down.
>>43621828if youve really been on hrt for 8 years and you still dont pass then youre either going to have to live everyday just as you are or get a haircut that would make your facial features appear more fem, i'm sorry to say you probably wont look like a woman with all external accesories removed on your person
>>43621852You sound schizo anon.Are you a schizo?>>43621857People do not see a male skull in a woman's clothing and think woman.They see women as women no matter what they do.
>>43620302are you getting hondosed
>>43621879you don't have a male skull you fucking retard. you're a hon because you don't put in any effort
>>43621872I'm very aware, why do you think I live everyday as I am? That doesn't mean I can't be unhappy.>>43621886Fuck off you don't know anything about me>>436218856 years on diy injections and 2 years on 200mcg patches before that...
>>43621651Yeah because i'm MALE, AMAB, NON-DYSORPHIC AND C.I.S.G.E.N.D.E.R
>>43621896>Fuck off you don't know anything about mei know what you've literally told us. you don't pass because you don't put in effort. so put in the effort or 41% yourself. easy.
>>43621919Effort cannot reshape a skull.
>>43621828sighhh can u send again so i can hugbox you or something
>>43621927then why do so many trannies pass?
>>43621908why not microdose on e to combat thinning?
>>43621928No>>43621936If you have a million people trying something a few are sure to make it
>>436219401. Dont want my penis to get smaller2. I am not a transgender female thus i am not able to procure estrogen legally3. Anything past dutasteride(96/5% decrease to DHT) will have diminishing returns
>>43621978they have as much of a male skull as you, but they put in effort to look like a woman instead of waiting for hormones to do it all. you refuse to do this, therefore you're ngmi
>>43622008>legallyLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO faggot. kys.
>>43622014I waited for 8 years I deserve to at least look a little feminine considering I was 17 when I started.Some people start at 30 and immediately pass without effort.
>>43622032>I waited>I deserveno. you only deserve what you put in effort for.
>>43622062Putting on makeup and girly clothes won't change anything.Ever hear of putting lipstick on a pig?
>>43622105choose not to listen. fine. but you can only blame yourself that you're a hon.
>>43622118A hon tries and fails.By not trying I save myself from being a hon.
>>43622029I study law so.if i do DIY and get prosecuted i'll nuke 5 years of education
>>43622123you are a hon. you genuinely are. and you'll only cease to be a hon when you put in effort
>>43622125nigga no one will prosecute you for estrogen unless you do something retarded
>>43621207Just wondering, major retard speaking so apologies for what's probably a dumb question, but is FFS risky in making you look weird in the way that plastic surgery is? The rest of the stuff on here I get, but I'd be afraid of ending of looking like Blair White or other people with obvious plastic surgery after getting FFS
>>43622125Prosecuted lol stfu bitch >>43622138Must be so easy to be a hon when you have support, privilege much...
>>43622186>deflecting to some other shitbottom line: be a hon or put in the effort to pass. that's your only choice. peace.
Passoids be like wragghh you're a hon because you don't have the luck I had!If you suffered even a fraction of how much I have you would be in much worse shape.
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>>43621908Okay you want to be male. For the record I'd like being male, if I could be a bigger stronger guy. I turned out to be a wimp, so I became a woman because I looked better as a woman. I had a little wimpy male body that looks better as a female body
>>43621927So you don't need to do this. There is no difference between male skulls and female skulls all that is is a bunch of nonsense. transphobic people want you not to change your gender
>>43622183I second this question AlsoI’ve been on hrt for a few years and while that in and of itself is hardcore, how do you work up the nerve to do a big permanent change like lasering off your beard or FFS? Or even something that can’t be hidden by a hoodie like having your eyebrows shaped? Like growing curves is one thing but cutting stuff off freaks me out, there’s really no reversing surgery
>>43620302>I took hrt for 8 years and I haven't started passing yet!That's normal. 9/10 trannies don't pass. Don't be too harsh with yourself.
>>43624441They think they are girls at least they want to be girls.. You don't understand it because you don't have that desire
>>43624484No, 9/10 do pass, if they really are transgender
>>43624303there is a difference or else ffs wouldn't exist or work.>>43624514>If you don't pass you never really were trans to begin withInteresting way of coping honey
>>43621647It is the doctor can to try to be male the desperate attempt to try to be male because they were born male.Now I know you've heard of this, perhaps never known anyone personally like it, but some boys never see themselves as boys always seen themselves as a girl. They learn from childhood to behave like girls and think of themselves as a girl
>>43621681Yes, start passing it's very simple to do if you have your mind in the right place your mind is not in the right place I'm calling your head down your body it's in your mind
>>43624441>how do you work up the nerve to do a big permanent change like lasering off your beard or FFS?i mean i haven't done FFS, but i didn't need to work up the nerve to do laser at all, just work up the money. there were never any nerves to it. my facial hair gave my dysphoria, so i lasered it and after a few months started to feel relieved. idk what you're nervous about
>>43624606>No ffsSo you don't pass? Why spend money on laser then?
>>43624685maybe i do pass without FFS, like some people, or maybe i don't pass and just haven't had FFS yet. weird reply
>>43624606Cause then you can never really guymode again without seeming like some kind of strange babyman >>43624493Yeah I guess. I’m more like 50/50 being masculine in certain settings still has value to me but goddamn I wish I looked better femme presenting. Or maybe I feel like since I’m so inherently masculinely built I’d just look pathetic with blatant unhidable feminization. Prob both fml
>>43624783if you pass then why would you want to guymode?
>>43624821I am never going to pass I have a massive head and shoulders but also I am malebrained I think like a guy
>>43624947sounds more like you're just retarded and need some fresh air
>>43622183Not unless you ask for or seek out that look specifically. My surgeon showed plenty of before and after pics of other patients he had worked on and you really wouldn't be able to tell otherwise since he tended to lean towards being conservative about it. I don't think it's a dumb thing to ask a surgeon about that either, I'm sure they hear it a lot and their answer would be telling>>43624441Slowly (too slowly I wish I started sooner), and just knowing I had to do those things to feel better. Would you go back to being off HRT? I assume the answer is hell no, and that's how I feel about laser, ffs, etc having them done.
>>43624974Real
>>43624282>For the record I'd like being male, if I could be a bigger stronger guy. I turned out to be a wimpLiterally just take steroids. Every roided out guy used to be a tiny wimp.
