As a trans woman, its really hard for me to believe that enbies are real? I find it really insulting, particularly with a lot of AFABs, when someone identified as trans and then, because of our desire to bring in people who are questioning etc, claim that they don't have dysphoria and therefore do nothing to transition beyond being called e.g. a guy in trans spaces.So I'd ask, if you don't have dysphoria or euphoria, then why identify as a guy or enby or anything? If we accept this logic, then it's OK to call you literally any gender and for you to call yourself any gender at which point you've found yourself boomeranged right back to cisgender. But even thats stupid because cisgender people CAN EXPERIENCE DYSPHORIA AND EUPHORIA. So it's just a lie... But either way, if you don't have significant dysphoria when you are not out as trans and/or not presenting as trans, then... well, really, you're just lying to yourself cuz you're getting misgendered every goddamned day.In short, we need some kind of line. People like furrykins, "non-dysphoric" enbies, agendered people, are all just as bad as truscum who I also think are wrong because ALL women and ALL men have ALL sexual orientations and to say otherwise is extremely homophobic..But even though I like some enbies, I just don't know. I feel like for those ones, it's really just a fancy word for gnc people who naturally act and/or dress queer or have a strange internal model of their internal body "map", if you will. If there is nothing wrong with your internal body map, then you're not trans? I mean, sure I get some people don't need all the steps and some people can't take all the steps, (HRT, surgery, clothes) but take.absolutely no steps besides privately calling yourself trans with no desire or need to even tell anyone else, it's like what the fuck are you doing? Is this some kind of game to them? Also, finster is privileged and should use she/her pronouns but can't see it due to various effects of affluenza.
>>43629638And don't even get me started on trans women who won't accept themselves as such due to pure internalized mysogeny.I'll use gender neutral for unsure people, sure... but unless you actually come from a culture where a third gender socially exists, that identity makes no sense; man and woman are expensive enough. Using these other genders is just embarrassing cultural appropriation.
But what really gets me is that our community is so fucking puritan that nobody will even discuss this shit with me. I can't say anything about it with people who would ostensibly know something cuz if I try to do so, they'll get defensive and ruin my social standing in the queer community. I've been though that threat once, I don't need it again.But that leaves me at square one; just talking about it in these awful place cuz nobody else wants to talk about it. I actually get less problems here than IRL. At least here, people can't ruin me.
>>43629663i wouldn't call myself that, because "trans woman" implies that castrated males can become women (females), which is not the case, we're all here for evert.cis male on hrt
>>43629798HRT makes you biochemically female. Intersex, sure I guess, but still female. Especially if you get SRS. Also, why did you make this post? Maybe you should reflect on that.
>>43629798Im not sure what this even means any more, you know? I mean, I've been resleeved so many times now, I'm worried I might start to lose it. I feel like I've been every type of person now, but I just stick to "female" sleeves. Its not like we have gender any more any way, really. Were all made in factories now. What's the difference?Think I'll RD myself the next time they make me be a man again. That would be a straight forward way to end it all. I just figured that's what we're all on here for now anyway; we can't erase the trans perspective until we forget and I dunno when/if that will be before we start going crazy anyway.At this point, it really just helps me decide when exactly I nuke my stack. People who came from cis experience don't understand this type of thing as well as us. Still ever in denial of their own dysphoria.
I mean, its not like HRT works on sleeves anyway. We're just machines now. I remember when we were all so excited by all this as a community. Suppose it's a lot more obscure these days.
>>43630965You ever been double-sleeved? I know it's illegal and everything, but man, I never masturbated better.
I stopped listening when you said you got offended by how other people are.
Or we could make all of this shit meaningless by just deciding that literally anybody can get called anything if they just ask for it.Seriously.We cooooooould go toward the way of making this into a social war that the queer haters have been trying to make it into by buying into the need to have vetting...Or we could argue that we don't WANT this to be a big fucking thing, THEY'RE the ones making a huge thing about this - and by the way, generally speaking that IS how you win political fights, by making the other side look like bigger assholes.The people who want to "break our system" of letting absolutely anyone in don't prove the system doesn't work, it proves that they are ridiculous assholes. And we get to mock them for it. That isn't a bug, it's free entertainment.
>>43629698>At least here, people can't ruin me.You would be surprised. Life has many doors, Ed boy
>>43629638NBs aren't real and the reason you know this is because it's obvious
>>43629638>So I'd ask, if you don't have dysphoria or euphoria, then why identify as a guy or enby or anything?They do this because they think it makes them more unique and interesting. Also because femininity and feminine gender roles are just as much a prison as masculinity. But girls aren't satisfied with just being tomboys or butch anymore. They have to be the most special unique girl ever: not a girl.
>>43629638>then it's OK to call you literally any gender and for you to call yourself any gender at which point you've found yourself boomeranged right back to cisgenderThis is the central load bearing logical fallacy at the core of transgenderism.
>>43629698>But what really gets me is that our community is so fucking puritan that nobody will even discuss this shit with meThe orthodoxy around modern day gender theory is extremely strict. In sociology it's referred to as a self-enforcing high control group. Groups use coercive social structure to have members of the group police each other. Any questioning of the ideology is an attack on the group.
>>43630819>HRT makes you biochemically femaleHonscience
>>43629638AFAB nonbinaries are 90% not real. If its an AFAB below the age of 18 that calls herself nonbinary then its 100% not real. If it was just that alone it wouldn't be that bad. Whats actually annoying is that these girls, who quite literally are just cisgender, are often so extremely vocal and outspoken about things that they have literally never experienced. I find them the actual bottom of the barrel as far as people are concerned.
>>43634165>girls, who quite literally are just cisgender, are often so extremely vocal and outspoken about things that they have literally never experiencedWhat is it about early twenties afabs thinking they know everything?
>>43634173My cynical take is that a segment of cis people want to virtue signal about "trans voices" but in reality hate hearing from actual trans people, they dont want to hear about how awful gender dysphoria or actually transitioning can be.On the other hand, some fresh faced "quirky" cis girl who is all bubbly about putting a he/him pin on her purse or some shit like that is novel and entertaining to them. Which just encourages these cosplaying AFAB "queer" types to just keep yapping on and on about how much they know about the "trans experience" and what not. Who knows though its a good question
>>43634244I guess but I just don't understand what benefit cis people get from larping as gender specials
>>43634244Theyfabs are the gender equivalent of "you can be straight and still be queer"
>>43629638>it's really just a fancy word for gnc people who naturally act and/or dress queerYup that's all it is. "Enby" just means gender non-conforming cis person.
>>43629698>But what really gets me is that our community is so fucking puritan that nobody will even discuss this shit with me. I can't say anything about it with people who would ostensibly know something cuz if I try to do so, they'll get defensive and ruin my social standing in the queer community. I've been though that threat once, I don't need it again.Why is it that in the last twenty years or so has gone from accepting of difference and outcasts to a strict orthodoxy the punishment for violating which is ostracism?
