What are some measurable signs of prenatal exposure to female hormones? I am a straight cis male, but suspect I may have been physically and psychologically feminized in the womb.2D:4D ratio is often used as a proxy for prenatal hormone exposure, with it being higher among women (who average at roughly 0.99) than men (who average within the lower 0.90s). Mine is well above the female average, at 1.02.In terms of fat distribution, the average male waist-to-thigh ratio is 1.88, as compared to 1.78 among women, with mine being ultra-feminine at 1.4. Although I am only attracted to women, the way I stand and walk around has often been perceived by others as "gay" or effeminate, which I suspect may be the result of my having female-typical skeletal morphology: my waist-to-hip ratio is 0.79, which is within the androgynous range but leaning feminine (in one 2012 study, sex ambiguous line drawn figures with a WHR of 0.8 were identified as female 60% of the time).Alternatively, I have theorized that my perceived gayness may be the consequence of my body having unconsciously and involuntarily adopted female-typical mannerisms, in order to signal to potential mates that I am sexually submissive (a male-atypical trait which I suspect may also be the result of prenatal feminization) - similar to how the female-typical mannerisms which, among gay men, help to signal status as a 'bottom' to potential partners, often emerge involuntarily while a person is still closeted. While I feel attraction to both stereotypically feminine women and more androgynous ones, it is the latter group who have reciprocated, with most of my romantic partners having been lesbian-leaning bisexuals; a demographic more likely to be sexually and romantically compatible with a submissive male, and therefore less likely to be repulsed by effeminate cues.What other signs or metrics are there of prenatal feminization in a man?
>>43641796>signs or metrics are there of prenatal feminization in a manmaking posts like this
>>43641796>Although I am only attracted to women, the way I stand and walk around has often been perceived by others as "gay" or effeminate, which I suspect may be the result of my having female-typical skeletal morphologyfunny, just last night i came across video of me and i thought the same thing. people have even told me the reason i come off as gay is how i move and smiling too much. its completely impossible to mask this>In terms of fat distribution, the average male waist-to-thigh ratio is 1.88, as compared to 1.78 among women, with mine being ultra-feminine at 1.4never heard of this, mines like 1.25-1.3 and my whr is low .7s>2D:4Dmine are the sameim gay or bi though. im androphilic and i only like women in a sapphic, receptive, non dominant way, so like cuddling and feeling cute and stuff. i like men physically, the raw and intense way that straight men describe liking women.i think facial symmetry might be another? also an anon posted picrel recently and i think its another sign? idt its pubertal because i think this is one of the main tells of gayface, having big eyes, nose and mouth relative to full face. and thats part of what makes gays "expressive"
>i only like women in a sapphic, receptive, non dominant way, so like cuddling and feeling cute and stuff.interesting, what exactly do you mean here by 'sapphic' ? i feel kinda similar toward women, with some outright sexual desire but more interest in cuddling etc., although i am not androphilic
>>43641796Most dimorphic traits are affected by prenatal feminization. Even when subjected to testosterone puberty many shine through.
>>43642248like in a fem way i guess. i cant do the male power dynamic stuff.
>>43642296wdym by that? i thought most are affected by puberty?
>>43641796can you explain your picrel btw
>>43642339They are affected by puberty but the prenatal feminization is still seen after puberty, just kind of twisted by masculinization. It's most obvious when seeing pics of someone growing up, though. I had really feminine fat distribution before puberty but puberty was really strong for me unfortunately so I have ended up with wide hips but also a gigamoided ribcage depth.
>>43641796facial neoteny>>43642346https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-74265-z
>>43642296That makes sense. I guess the more specific question becomes, which other dimorphic traits are, like 2D4D and WHR, easily measured?
>>43642711SHR (mainly biacromial:pelvic breadth width), carrying angle, etc. Even stuff like digit ratio can change slightly after puberty afaik.
>>43641796>Straight cis male>Casually wrote up an unreadable thesis on tranny phrenologyLol
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>>43642835>unreadableIf any part is particularly unclear I'd be happy to clarify!
