Way before I transitioned, when my gender dysphoria got really bad, I used to sneak into one of my sister's rooms when she wasn't home and borrow her leggings, sometimes panties too. It wasn't anything sexual. I'd put them on because for a little while it made my brain stop screaming at me. Sometimes I'd wear them around the house if I thought nobody was home or stand in front of the mirror imagining what life would've been like if I'd been born a girl.One day I screwed up and forgot. Mum found them in my room and told my sister. She asked if I'd been taking her clothes and underwear. I denied it because there was no way I was ready to explain back then.I've been on estrogen for about two years. I'm slowly presenting female, buying my own clothes and things are good. Two of my older sisters have been supportive. The youngest always seems cold.A few months ago Mum took me shopping and I finally bought my own leggings. My younger sister said, "Good, now you don't need to steal mine anymore." I brushed it didnt respondRecently I ordered a couple of normal mid-length skirts. My other sisters hyped me up. My youngest barely reacted. Wanting her opinion, I quickly put one on and walked into her room. She looked up from her laptop for maybe half a second before yelling "Fuck off out of my room" and calling me "fucking weird". She even pushed/punched me in the leg. I didn't get why she was acting like that, so I went and threw on some shorts before telling my other sisters what happened. They both agreed she'd seriously overreacted and said they'd talk to her.Now I'm wondering if she's still hung up on me borrowing her clothes years ago. Maybe she thinks I'm copying her style or something. I don't want her clothes or her style. I'm just trying to figure out how to be a girl. What would you do the last thing im trying to do is be a "skinwalker"
>>44147404You already got told by your other sisters, she's just overreacting. Things'll probably smooth out naturally through simple communication
>>44147404stealing people's clothes and especially underwear is a pretty serious violation of personal boundaries. There is nothing you can do to undo what you did besides respect boundaries going forward.
>>44147860No, stealing someone's underwear is fucking disgusting and perverted. I would throw all my undies in the bin if I found out my brother was wearing them and then putting them back in the drawer. How disgusting. This shows how far these men go and fetishise women. You crossed her boundaries and her intimate ones too, you are fucking disgusting. Added that it is your younger sister just makes it worse.>"Fuck off out of my room" and calling me "fucking weird". She even pushed/punched me in the leg.deserved>They both agreed she'd seriously overreacted and said they'd talk to her.That poor younger sister they defend the creepy older brother who stole her undies over her?!! This has got to be a fake story. I am the oldest sister in my house and I know how it works>Maybe she thinks I'm copying her style or something.No, she thinks you are a creep and is still disturbed by you wearing her undies and clothes. You trannies do mimic nasty stereotypes about women and wear our sex like a costume mocking us, so that could cause some anger>I'm just trying to figure out how to be a girl.You won't ever be a girl, you don't have a female skeleton, a female skull, you have no womb, ovaries, nothing. You can only be born a girl
>>44147404You are such a creepy and disgusting man in this post, and the most male thing is your arrogance in how you see no wrong and don't think about the sister and her intimate boundaries being crossed, only about yourself.You drip with self-absorption. You frame the entire situation around his dysphoria, your need to "figure out how to be a girl," your new skirts, and how unfair his youngest sister's reaction is, while barely acknowledging the fact that he secretly took and wore her underwear. The denial when caught, the lack of any real apology or understanding of why she'd still be disgusted years later, and the expectation that she should now hype you up or give fashion opinions? Peak MALE entitlement. Intense focus on personal validation and identity, with female family members reduced to emotional support animals or obstacles. The sisters who are "supportive" get praised, the one who's creeped out is pathologised as overreacting or "hung up." You don't seem to truly grasp (or care) that stealing intimate clothing is a profound violation of bodily/privacy boundaries for most, if not all, women. Many (including me) would burn or throw away anything that had been used that way. This isn't compassionate dysphoria management; it's demanding the world (and your sister) rearrange their feelings around your fantasy while offering zero accountability. Women don't typically sneak their brother's boxers to "feel like a boy" and then act shocked when he's disturbed by it later. Your sister's coldness and outburst make complete sense. She's under no obligation to play along with your delusions.I really hope this is a fake story, if not you have severe signs of cluster B personality disorders including narcissism and you need mental help
>>44147404I have learned that everyone tells the best version of the story from their own perspective. That means you are really fucking weird and your older sisters are just giving you the benefit of the doubt. Your younger sister has the least power here and just wants to be left alone to be herself without siblings harassing her, taking her clothes, entering her room unannounced, violating her space, and telling her she can't react the way she does. To your little sister you are the asshole.
>>44148099Shut up, stupid TERFtard!It's totally okay that her sister feels uncomfortable, but that doesn't give you the right to misgender her.TERFTards try to attack trans people, especially trans women, in every possible way.
>>44148081Our genitals are homogalous - they come from the same source. They are made of the same material, just arranged differently, and the surgery adjusts the arrangement to the genitals of the gender identity.
>>44147404If you don't have genital dysphoria, then you're not trans, just a gender-nonconforming man. The classification of clothes and other items unrelated to anatomy is merely a social construct. The social construct is ontologically irrelevant.
>>44148249It isn't a her, it is a he. I get along with some trans people, but this is a creepy male. The word TERF doesn't offend me and never will, it is a meaningless word used to shut women up.>>44148270>Our genitals are homologous - they come from the same source. They are made of the same material, just arranged differently, and the surgery adjusts the arrangement to the genitals of the gender identity.Pseudoscientific cope. Homology does not mean "the same thing, just rearranged." Embryonic genital tubercle, folds, and swellings do develop from the same early structures, but that development is sexually dimorphic under the influence of genes and hormones (mainly the SRY gene on the Y chromosome and testosterone). Male and female genitals are not interchangeable. A penis is not "an inverted vagina." A neovagina created by surgery is a surgically constructed cavity, usually from penile skin or colon. It lacks natural lubrication, self-cleaning, a proper microbiome, and the actual anatomy of a vagina. The "same material" claim is meaningless. Your arm and a bird's wing are homologous, too, but that doesn't mean you can fly if we rearrange them.Surgery doesn't "adjust the arrangement to the genitals of the gender identity." It mutilates healthy tissue to create a crude cosmetic approximation. It doesn't create ovaries, a uterus, menstrual cycles, or the ability to get pregnant. Male-to-female surgery leaves the patient with a non-functional, sterile wound that requires lifelong dilation to avoid closure.Embryonic homology explains developmental origins, not that sex is a spectrum or mutable. Adult human males and females are dimorphic. Surgery creates a facsimile, often with high complication rates, loss of sexual function, and lifelong medical needs. Homology is not evidence that biological sex is cosmetic or that "gender identity" overrides it. It's just word salad to cope with the fact that sex is real, binary, and immutable.
>>44147404Buy your younger sister some underwear, and nut in them before leaving them in her room.
>>44148081>You won't ever be a girl, you don't have a female skeleton, a female skull, you have no womb, ovaries, nothing. NTA, but I have all of those sitting in a cooler in my garage.
>>44148655You are a hideous, disgusting man and bring nothing good to the world. You are worthless. Imagine being a mother and giving birth to a weirdo like you, I'd cry and never speak to my child again
>>44148691But you can't implant them in yourself or make yourself one of them :(( you can have them in your garage but not in your body
>>44148734No but I can skin walk a woman by stapling a bunch of female organs to my torso.
>>44148742But you can never have a proper womb or be a woman... boohoo
>be me>have yougner sister>never steal her clothes despite being closeted trannyMost i did is borrow some makeup which is literally just something ppl share willingly
>>44148763Borrowing makeup would only piss me off a little bit; it isn't creepy like the undies. Good on you for being a normal tranny
>>44148749No the womb in my cooler is a proper womb, I double checked before taking it. All I have to do it staple it to my chest and then I'll be a womb-man.
>>44148825For what it's worth, remember this was a really long time ago as a teen - but nowadays we have no issues sharing makeup and I knew my mum and sis shared makeup back then too, so I don't even think she would have been pissed off since it's very much a normal thing for family members or even friends where I'm from. I don't think I'd have done it if it were more seen as a private thing. Like makeup was in common in the bathroom, already mixed between my mum and sis.But yeah, I was hiding it back then soooooo, long long time ago however, I transitioned in 2017.
I remember being 12 and getting caught with my sister's clothes it was embarrassing...Good thing I stopped talking to most of my family and and pretty much only ever talk to my bf
>>44147404I feel like nobodies asking the important questionHow old were you when you did that, and how old when you stopped/got caught?
>>44148825>borrowing makeup only pisses me off a little bitcope and seethe
>>44148099>Women don't typically sneak their brother's boxers to "feel like a boy" and then act shocked when he's disturbed by it laterDon't get it twisted, OP committed a serious breach of privacy, but if a woman wore her brother's clothes similarly, literally nobody would give a fuck.
>>44148971There's a difference between borrowing clothes and underwear...I'm a transbian and I wouldn't even share underwear with my partner. If she used mine by mistake I'd want it washed first.
>>44149067>There's a difference between borrowing clothes and underwearFor men borrowing their sister's clothes vs underwear, a huge difference for sure. For the converse scenario, nah. A brother having his underwear stolen might be pissed off himself individually, but you couldn't garner even 1/50th the amount of sympathy/outrage from the general public compared to the converse. The vast majority of people simply don't view men and women's privacy the same way in regards to clothes and many other domains. Not saying it should or shouldn't be that way, that's just how it is.Furthermore, the fallout remains nearly exactly the same whether a woman borrows her brother's underwear simply for clothing purposes or for gender experimentation, whereas a brother couldn't even plausibly claim wearing his sister's underwear for any reason other than indulging in a fetish or gender experimentation.
>>44148270That doesn't matter. No matter what genitals you have, stealing someone's underwear is perverted and wrong.
>>44147404Well, I'm really glad you have supportive older sisters and a supportive mom, nona! As to your younger sister... yeah... you did mess with her pretty badly. I don't think stealing her leggings is that bad, but stealing her underwear is really disgusting and I get why she doesn't feel close to you. Maybe she thought it was a sexual thing and thinks your transition is a sexual thing (which does NOT make it ok, it's a possible explanation and not an excuse). Does she act this way towards you all the time or only when you put on a skirt? Because if it's the latter then it comes across as just... transphobic!! I'd suggest you stop seeking her approval and return her hatred of you with hatred towards her, and instead rely on the people who actually support you.
>>44150661Oh no not the big T word TRANSPHOBIA, who fucking cares dude, this man is clearly disgusting and tons of trannies have it in for incest. It is a mental illness and it shouldn't be supported. She doesn't have to like or hype up a dude wearing a skirt wanting to be a woman
>>44148849It is because my mum and I get the designer crap lol
>>44151564kys moid and get out of women's business
>>44148421>Homology does not mean "the same thing, just rearranged."it literally does mean that retard (at least in biology), look up "homologous structures". and no they're not literally the exact same nobody's trying to argue that
>>44151573Well they're not stupid or rich and just buy normal stuff lmaoI buy fancier stuff myself cuz I'm vegan and keep to vegan brands >>44151614Well homologous doesn't mean "the same", it means "similar", "of the same category" ig. We decide protein sequences are homologous at like 20% identity (30% max as a threshold) and 2 homologous sequences can have very different functions.That said idk who you were answering to and why im just autistic about this
>>44148099If my sister stole my underwear because she wanted to feel like a boy I'd buy her a pack of her own the day I found out, not punch her and call her a gross pervert. Why are cis women like this?
>>44151774Aww, that would be sweet of you, but don't turn it into an attack on cis women. The OP itself has three supportive cis women!
>>44151880>anon improves the level of empathy and rapport of the thread in a gentle, disarming manner, even despite tanking a harsh generalization, in order to make gender discourse more cordial and compassionate while gaining nothing in returnneed more heart of gold sweetie-pie niggas like you on this board. Hug for you. :)
>>44151880Three handmaidens.Honestly OP your behaviour was creepy but also immature and it doesn’t sound sexual, please apologise to your sister and try to avoid making her uncomfortable in the future. Your sister probably thinks you were doing bad things with her clothes and feel threatened by you.
>>44147404even if it wasnt sexual men stealing womens undies is pushed by the media as a Thing Creepy Men Do As A Sexual Thing and since she sees you as a man you dont get the afab wombyn shield of victimhoodanyway dont apologize, not your problem that some foid thinks you want to rape her just for having a penis, she should stop being so misandrist
>>44151984Thank you, nona! <3
>steal panties>come into her room without asking wearing a skirtYou should apologize to her for this if you haven't already. Dont go to other people and have them defend your behavior, just apologize and tell her you'll ask if she wants to see your new skirt or whatever next time.>Have you ever been accused of skin walkingYes for much milder stuff than that. My ex best friend and I had an unusual amount of things in common as best friends do and we got into the stuff the other likes (as well as talking like each other). When we stopped being friends she tried to weaponize this as me copying her even though she dyed her hair to look like mine and tried to friendly up to some of the more clouted people I know too. At the end of day I think it was all projection but it still really hurts.
>>44148421>developmentThe neovagina is not the natal vagina in the sense of embryonic origin, reproductive function, or any physiological characteristics. However, in a medical context, it is a surgically constructed vagina — a structure that is made to have a vaginal anatomical role. Just as reconstructive medicine makes artificial or reconstructed body parts that are not identical to the originals, but are still named after the structures they replace.
>>44147404>have any of you been accused of "skin walking"?yes, every trans person who's ever posted in /intergen/
>>44147404theres nothing wrong with what you didyuu should have asked ideally but ofc thats not realistici wore some of my moms things for years when i had the chance before i came outits not infact a big deal you just disnt have any other way to try it and relieve your suffering a little at the time; you should write your sister a gentle letter (ideally handwritten if your writings ok) asking for her forgiveness and explaining why you did that; how it helped; as much as you can about why you need to transition etc; she just doesnt understand and theres no telling what kind of terfy hateful shut shes read early on or even before she ever knew; friends she told may have also ampted it up to make it seem like your a disgusting evil person never to be trusted; but i believe you when you say it wasnt sexual; it never has been for me eitherits not a big deal but for some reason shes take it very personally and i guess she hates you? there may not be anything you can do but i think its good you want to try; and im glad your older sisters and mom are supportiveit could also be that your younger sister doesnt want you to change or something but as i always tell everyome- its your life to live not theirsif she wants to be mean to her new sister thats her lossi hope she will come around and understand eventuallydont listen to the haters here; be yourself and have a happy life
>>44147404>I used to sneak into one of my sister's rooms when she wasn't home and borrow her leggings, sometimes panties too.people actually do this, I thought it was just a memeAGP
>>44152162Oh, not this bullshit again. The neo vagina is not a real vagina and comes from scrotal skin. It is an inverted penis. It has zero embryonic origin from the Müllerian ductYour fake vagina can't self-clean, has no uterus or ovaries, can't have periods, or reproduce. The skin is different since one comes from the foreskin and is wrinkled, and the other is a mucous membrane. >Just as reconstructive medicine makes artificial or reconstructed body parts that are not identical to the originals, but are still named after the structures they replace.The difference is that those serve a purpose and have a function; a fake vagina has no purpose and is only a risk. It can get infected, get stool in it, and grow hair inside. It literally requires constant dilation to not close up, since it is a surgical hole.Calling it a "vagina" is polite medical fiction at best, and ideological sleight-of-hand at worst. It's a surgically created hole. It doesn't make the person female. Reconstructive medicine doesn't rewrite biological sex.
Im gonna be honestseeing shit like this makes me wonder if I should give up on this whole "being a woman" thing and accept my destiny of being a female-looking twink and dating bisexual menCause god this shit sounds weird>why is my sister still mad that I stole her underwear and wore it without her knowledge?low inhib behavior>I'm just trying to be a girlWhy do so many trans people use this girl/boy shitYou're a grown ass adult the fuck are you talking about
>>44155215Dang the terfs lowk making good points in this thread,that said I think a fully-transitioned trans person is at the very least some third category thing sex wise, at least in the functional, real senseobviously your gametes or whatever shit JK rowling whines about doesnt changeDespite being trans myself, after years of grappling with the logistics of this whole thing(I struggled to justify a lot of popular trans talking points in my head), I've come to the grand conclusion that some trans women are basically women, and some are nota hot take I know
>>44148099>Women don't typically sneak their brother's boxers to "feel like a boy" and then act shocked when he's disturbed by it laterno, they typically sneak in and long-term borrow their brothers' clothes because they want to and absolutely do act shocked when he's disturbed by it.women as a rule never respect men's privacy.it is in fact a very good thing that finally at least some amabs treat foids with the exact same measure.
>>44155353I think trans women are trans women and that's okay. If that were just accepted, there would be less pressure to conform to the standards of a biological woman or what society thinks that looks like.
>>44147404>Wanting her opinion, I quickly put one on and walked into her room.what made you think this was a smart idea if this isnt bait
>>44155467well do you think trans women are womeni dont think many like think trans women and cis women are the same cause theyre obviously noti thought the whole idea is that trans is a secondary category
>>44155245You shouldn't deny yourself womanhood just because some of the other people seeking it act weird>>44155353They never have good points. They never argue in good faith. They could invent a magic potion that changes your body overnight and they'd still argue you have a male essence because they decided that's how it was.>>44155467The "pressure" comes from dysphoria itself. No amount of gender abolitionist garbage or transparently exclusionary garbage such as yours can fix that.
>>44155489No, the "whole idea" is that trans women and cis women are both women. It's not trans women's fault they were born in incongruent bodies nor does it change anything about their fundamental identity as a person.
>>44155467Let's have a look at a society that "accepts trans women as a third thing.">no legal recognition>no political representation>positive medical rights huh
>>44155462>women as a rule never respect men's privacyThats my mother to a t.
>>44155602that's all cis women to a t.there is not a single foid alive in 2026 that has an impeccable trackrecord of respecting amabs' privacy. none.which is why I strongly advocate for intentional and persistent violation of foids' privacy (and one of the many reasons I support trannies too).
>>44155602>which is why I strongly advocate for intentional and persistent violation of foids' privacyI would rather not. Two wrongs dont make a right.
>>44155697>Two wrongs dont make a rightOh yes they do.Foids have sued their way into gay men's nudes, men's locker rooms and every single men-only space. And virtually all foids and 1/4 of 'men' applaud this.Fuck that. Foids need to suffer the exact same thing that they inflicted upon men throughout the entirety of my life.Retaliation is a very good thing, actually.
>>44147404the mantis surgeons have been training me on skin slipping the past few times i visited them hopefully will be able to do it consistently soon
>>44155775Well they won't be in elite athlete's locker rooms unlike the trans identified males are in women's. Either way we want the same thing for locker rooms to be single-sex, and the opposite ones out. >>44155595All of that in my country, genius, they have more rights than disabled people here. >>44155500Well you're doing it to yourself now, you can't ever be a biological woman and in no sense are you an actual woman. If you include trans women the definition becomes circular and there is no meaning of women hence no point even having the word 'woman.' >>44155493>The "pressure" comes from dysphoria itself.Mr Hunter Schafer was attracted to misogyny, and the trans to troon timeline is well documented on 4chan even. Dysphoria is best helped through psychologists not by life-altering hormones. >>44155489No, only men can be transwomen.
>>44148099I agree. OP was a creepy disgusting man who took his sister's underwear, he probably used them to masturbate and she's good enough to not tell the other sisters.
>>44156438>Mr Hunter Schafer was attracted to misogyny, and the trans to troon timeline is well documented on 4chan even. Dysphoria is best helped through psychologists not by life-altering hormones.I dont really care about the other stuff but it does really annoy me how everyone very much misread Hunter's manifestoit is about the psychoanalysis she performed on herself during her discovery of her own identity and how that is complicated by pervasive, structural misogyny and the conflation of negative, often abusive experiences with men and "authentic womanhood"She obviously isnt attracted to misogyny in the literal sense; everytime this manifesto is mentioned I feel like Im talking to caveman who purposely take everything in bad faith
>>44156494all the "I need to be eaten" or "attraction to misogyny" shit is a metaphor for internalizing societies misogynistic beliefs and allowing it to corrupt the way you see yourself and your relations to others, something that is incredibly common for cis women to go through("pick me! pick me!")
>>44156438>Well they won't be in elite athlete's locker roomsoh yes they are. not "will be" but ARE. this is 50+ years old permanent jurisprudence.there is not a single place in sports (locker rooms included) where foids can be banned from. NONE.>Either way we want the same thing for locker rooms to be single-sexNo, not at all. Not anymore anyway.Since foids can't be excluded from men-only spaces, I absolutely want men in every single foid-only space. The utter destruction of all foid-only space is my objective atp.
