are there any actual cases of long term successful trannymaxxers? surely this isnt all just a joke and a lie? tell me everything in long excruciating details
given that trannymaxxing as a concept is very new, it's unlikely to find long-term data or even anecdotes.the practice of trannymaxxing is a lot older and certainly at least some 50+ years old trannies who trooned in the 1990s are trannymaxxers.>tell me everything in long excruciating detailswhat do you want to know, OP?t. ransmaxxer
>>44168167how did your life change
trannymaxxing is a weird memei think integrating into the world as a woman requires you to be a woman. to transition well you need that dog in you and that is driven by something other than scheming to maximise something based on incel ideals of SMV or whatever.i don't get itits not sustainable to live behind a perfect mask, literally skin walking womanhood. what a lonely existence
>>44167975I am one. This is my 50th year of crossdressing without hormones, I just turned 71. I am going to celebrate by entering a women's restroom at a park. My trans euphoria is unlimited. Skirt go spinny!
>>44168289its not sustainable to be a manlet either so what?
>>44167975Yeah I'm also very curious about the life of long term transwomen. I feel like everyone quit the internet after 5 years on HRT regardless of age.
>>44168310This is gonna be me one day ... GULP.
>>44168277I started hrt in late 2017. The first year was worse until I figured things out and the initial mental shock passed. Then it slowly got better.I got into acting classes to learn how to move, walk, talk, gesticulate and other day to day stuff in a more feminine fashion. Then practiced a lot in public. This cured me of anxiety as I learned IRL that nobody cares.Then I went into practicing socialization. Having no socialization prior turned out to be an advantage for the most part. Once my skin and face got cuter, suddenly I wasn't invisible anymore. People actually wanted to talk to me and, as years passed, were getting progressively nicer too.Got ffs in 2021 and from there on everything improved exponentially. Finally lost my virginity with a guy, had a short fling with a woman and met my now husband in 2023. Low-key I probably got this way better job due to being socially female.>>44168289>to transition well you need that dog in you and that is driven by something other than scheming to maximise something based on incel ideals of SMV or whatever.neah. what you need is discipline, realistic objectives and money. I didn't troon to whore out or hoping to be a 9/10 model. I trooned to no longer be invisible. And it worked.>literally skin walking womanhood. what a lonely existenceI'll take this "lonely" over the true loneliness prior to 2018, tyvm.>>44168323>I feel like everyone quit the internet after 5 years on HRT regardless of age.yes, because once the main milestones are reached, I wanted to now enjoy my new life.I shutdown everything in 2021 after ffs. Now I only use e-mail and this board to talk about tranny stuff. Otherwise I never bring it up. I have a normie facebook account with zero mention of lgbt stuff and just live my life as a perfectly mid and unremarkable woman.
>>44168438At what age did you start HRT if I may ask
>>44167975I'm technically a trannymaxxer. 12 years since starting transition, 8 years post op. Married to the love of my life (who's a man btw.) What do you want to know, OP?
>>4416849223 (well 22 and 10 months or so)>>44168516>8 years post opbased.wdym by "technically" a trannymaxer?
>>44168516i feel like an actual transmaxxer wouldnt get srs. youre probably just a tranny. though i bet so are many if not all transmaxxers
>>44168536>an actual transmaxxer wouldnt get srswhy not?i'm getting srs to get rid of anal prep.t. >>44168438
>>44168438this all sounds really nice actually someone else already asked about age so i wonthow did your ffs actually happen and godo you ever think about your past as an incel>>44168516well, tell me everything about your life this is a life experience question
>>44168553>>44168438also how did you meet your husband
>>44168553>how did your ffs actually happen and goGot a consult, paid out of pocket (partly with loaned money), got scheduled a date and just went there. Needed a revision an trach shave but all in all it went well. Recovery was nowhere near as bad as I had expected.>>44168553>do you ever think about your past as an incelonly when asked about it or when trying to help other people on how to no longer be miserable. But i've slowly stopped doing that too since most miserable people don't want to be helped. and I partially get it. If someone had offered to help me troon at 20 i would've told 'em to fuck off.The truth is that people need to help themselves first before being helped by others.I've slowly gotten less and less resentful too. Even 6 months ago I was still resentful that basically the black pill is at least in part true. At least half of the people in my current social circle wouldn't have given me the time of the day in 2017.Also, I recently reconnected to the 4 guys I used to hang out with (they cut me off when I trooned). Three are still virgin, all 4 are still single and all four are poorer than me. Grim :(I try to think of the future. I have a husband now. We're buying property. I'm getting SRS. I'm working hard to save up money so we can afford the downtime period when I won't be able to work. I got things to look forward to. Dwelling on the past won't change it.
>>44168612how do you feel about those who try to transmaxx and don't end up with a better life? yours seems like a best case scenario.
>>44168612wow coincidentally i am 20 right now >Three are still virgin, all 4 are still single and all four are poorer than me. Grim :(sounds horrible but pretty much in line with what hypergamy blackpill speaks about >I try to think of the future. I have a husband now. We're buying property. I'm getting SRS. I'm working hard to save up money so we can afford the downtime period when I won't be able to work. I got things to look forward to. Dwelling on the past won't change it.sounds like a massive improvement in life quality honestly, you became normalas someone said just above me really a best case scenario
>>44168531>wdym by "technically" a trannymaxer?I started transition because I knew I had zero chance with women, because I was immensely depressed, and I figured if I could be feminine enough (not necessary a woman or trans) then maybe at least a bi guy might like me. I'd already been asked out exclusively by men 3 or 4 times even before starting HRT. I say technically because I probably was a tranny deep down all along.>>44168536i feel like an actual transmaxxer wouldnt get srsWhy not? The more I've experienced this and met queer people the more I've been convinced that gender identity and sexuality are only partly innate, and a lot of cis people would probably be fine longer term if they woke up in the opposite sex's body married to the other gender.>youre probably just a tranny. though i bet so are many if not all transmaxxersI mean, probably. I was extremely motivated to pursue SRS once I was out and passing. That probably was a tranny thing. I still think I would've gotten it even if I wasn't trans since I always thought my pp was useless and preferred being penetrated anyways.>>44168553>well, tell me everything about your life this is a life experience questionAbout which parts? Lol. That's extremely broad ask.>>44168561>how did you meet your husbandOnline. He knew a little before I started HRT, and we started dating when I was a little over 3 years into it.
>>44168679well your trannymaxx journey including the medical and social history and how you stopped being an incel
>>44168561>how did you meet your husbandAt a festival. We both got into it thinking it won't be too serious but had our "wait a minute" moment three months later.I still think with horror that I almost didn't approach him.>>44168654depends on the circumstances, desu.trannymaxxing absolutely isn't for everyone. but it is for more than everyone dares to think.more often than not trannymaxxers get stuck because they buy into a lot of online BS or expect HRT to be magic.trannymaxxing is unironically a malebrained project: to be approached with a calculated and disciplined mind and, again, realistic goals. I can't stress this enough.If you hope to be a 9+/10 doll, you're already approaching this wrong.Also, I wish I knew about MEF 7-8 years ago. "Soulpassing" is real and the brain is way more malleable than most people think.>>44168670>you became normalHeh, kinda.Both me and my husband feel that we lucked out on each other. But, desu, it was a case of hitting rock bottom. My previous life was going nowhere.My life would've sucked without someone to love, but in 2022 (before I met him) it was still way WAAAY better than 2017.>>44168679>I say technically because I probably was a tranny deep down all alongfair enough. I get this all the time. That I can't possibly be a trannymaxxer and was in fact a tranny all along. But I'm like... I never had a single tranny thought before age 22 or so when I started toying with the idea of trannymaxxing.The only thing I was all along was a bisexual (thank God for that).>gender identity and sexuality are only partly innatefucking trvke
>>44168310>>44168312lmaooooooo
successful transmaxxers are a tiny fraction of the tranny population. those who try it and fail simply don't talk about it
>>44168438how tall are you?
>>44168911166cm
>>44169066damn makes sense, do you think there's hope in transmaxxing at 182cm?
>>44169066im the op and im 5'4>>44168802well enjoy your life it seems to have improved by thisdo you think would you have suicide if you had not done this path?what is the hardest part of all this?
>>44169187>op and im 5'4ok so you are a beautiful woman basically
>>44169176There's no way I can answer this impeccably.Yes, 182cm is clocky but if most of everything else (voice, face, mannerisms, personality) works out, then it's not the biggest deal. Like, if I were more narcissistic, I could answer the chuds (and depressed trannies) saying "trannies are always clocky next to a cis woman" by posting a pic of me and one of my best friends who is a cis woman and is 180 cm tall, kek.It also does depend where you live. I live in eastern Europe and people here care a lot less about things. However the language is gendered so there's a referendum on your passing dozens of times a day.Also, imo, you could explore other let's call them intermediary options that don't involve full binary transition. A tall hrt femboy is hot, unironically.But, more fundamentally, your biggest "enemy" is your mind. That's why I stalled in the first year. Because it took me a while to figure out that trooning alone won't fix most of my problems. People being nicer to me is all fine and dandy but still useless while I was still a social retard.Physically passing is all nice but if your mannerisms read autistic male, then it's still useless. I've been coaching a tranny friend (dysphoric/'trutrans') for several months now. When we're together in public she almost always gets addressed in the masculine and assumed to be my feminine bf, kek. She's just 2cm taller and unironically looks better than me. But everything about her moving reads shy autistic male. These fine details matter a lot more than dypshoric trannies (and trannymaxxers) realize.So, to answer your question: Is there hope? Unless your build is a linebacker style, yes. But you still need discipline, money, patience and willingness to compromise.
>>44167975Baldness catches up with you eventually.
>>44169289that makes sense, thanks, well im a mostly dysphoric tranny and also from eastern Europe where language is heavily gendered. I asked because ig because I'm just hopeless about my height and wanted to hear some input. I get gendered fem from time to time while boymoding and I think it has to do with my mannerisms and voice, which I'm told is naturally androgynous. I have an ugly face (overbite, recessed chin and big nose) and I'm saving up for ffs and the personality of a autistic male tho, got any tips on how to break the latter?
>>44169187>do you think would you have suicide if you had not done this path?I certainly felt suicidal around 2016 and trannymaxxing was one of the last elements on the list to try after I had tried (what i thought was) "everything".But if I'm truly honest, no, I don't think I would've roped. I would've continued to try other things and maybe lean into being a fag. This would've likely led me into the promiscuous lifestyle that's sadly way too common among gay men, but at least I wouldn't have been alone. I was yearning to be sexually desired, yk.I was (and technically still am) bisexual so who knows, maybe I would've found love as a gay man. Economically I probably would've ended up worse off because not trooning would've meant I would've spent even more time before actively trying to learn how to socialize and just be normal(-ish) instead of a social retard.>what is the hardest part of all this?Internally or externally?Internally, learning how to soulpass. You can learn everything there is to be learned about acting like a woman including minute things like language (women use language differently and phrase things differently), that still isn't enough until you learn to enjoy it. That's why I was saying here >>44168802 that I wish I knew about MEF 7-8 years ago.Ever since I started actually enjoying my life as socially female suddenly minute unresolved details stopped mattering. My voice sounds like an old smoker aunt, but hasn't been a problem since I've gotten more secure in my new role.It would've helped if I were a little bit AGP but I wasn't. Leaning into MEF has been way more helpful than I thought. It's not popular on this board most of the times but sexuality matters quite a bit. And it is malleable to an extent.(1/2)
>>44169176im 181 cm and its fine. if you pass in looks and voice it doesnt matter. you WILL however be asked if you play basketball at least once in your life.
>>44169187(2/2)Externally the hardest part was finding the money for FFS. I worked night shifts, saved up every penny and contracted a loan to pull it off.The second hardest part was finding time while working so much to practice socialization. I brute forced through it. Just striking up meaningless conversations with random people at bars, festivals or in the train. Slowly, little by little, I became less anxious, more articulate and more agreeable/less argumentative (highly important for passing).It's a very slow process, but it eventually works. Fake it till you make it. Consistently. You fuck it up? Try again. And again. And again. It's not fun the first 100 or 200 times, that's for sure. Then it gets better. That's why I emphasize discipline and patience so much.Getting cis female friends as soon as possible is essential for your long term success. Cis women aren't born naturally feminine in behaviors either. They learn it too. It's just that they learn it at 14.>>44169354Are you alexxi? There is someone who wrote to me from this board asking about trannymaxxing. I replied extensively but they never replied back to at least acknowledge that they read my response.Anyway, if you're not her, part of this answer applies to you too.You can't fully remake your personality, but you can change a lot on how it manifests (and thus how it reads to other people). Some autistic quirks are cute or unnoticeable in a woman, while others are bad no matter what.But fake it till you make it absolutely works. Just cutting down on being argumentative, stop correcting people over meaningless shit and (really!) just smile a bit... just these alone make a huge difference unironically.There is no "general" advice honestly. You'd have to be more specific.
>>44168289So, when I started transitioning I literally became a new internal identity, in a like, DID kind of way, except my original self just gave up on life and handed the reigns over to me before fading into oblivion. So like, this version of me has always been a non-binary demigirl transbian weirdo who has merely been trying to actualize herself out of the chud body she woke up, however the old version of myself would probably think of what I have done as transmaxxing, especially considering our lives have just improved in every conceivable facet basically overnight since the day I started to be. But also > live behind a perfect mask, literally skin walking wo[manhood]Was how it felt in life before I became me, I lived inside the old me's head, but the old me was nothing more than a two dimmensional caricature of what it meant to be a man, animated by nothing more than social expectations with no active will sourced from within himself.
>>44169576not alexxi, but thanks anyway and from the things you pointed out i really dont do any of those I think, I'm just really socially awkward (but, I do smile a lot I think tho xD) esp. around women because i feel like an intruder among them, my social circle is now mostly cis women and i do try and copy mannerisms and the way they talk
>>44169589incel-to-trans trannies be saying shit like this and not realize they always had a girl brain and their "transmaxxing" was actually just transitioning to their authentic selves
>>44167975I thought trannymaxxing meant transitioning without being dysphoric and purely as a lifestyle choice. After looking up the actual definition, I don't quite qualify. I had 5 cis gfs before I started HRT at age 24 in 2018. Dated only men ever since. Had SRS in 2022.I transitioned mostly as a fetish. The idea of going from straight man to submissive tranny wife appealed to me. Didn't have a single tranny thought before age 23 or so.The 'maxxing' part was mostly sexual for me.Not married (yet?) with my bf but we've been living together since 2021.>>44168679>a lot of cis people would probably be fine longer term if they woke up in the opposite sex's body married to the other genderkek, that's me.every once in a while I wake up in the morning next to him and I'm amazed. 10 years ago I was the man waking up next to a woman. Seems like a lifetime ago.>think I would've gotten [srs] even if I wasn't trans since I always thought my pp was useless and preferred being penetrated anywaysyou're way more trutrans than me.>>44169473>Leaning into MEF has been way more helpful than I thought>sexuality matters quite a bit. And it is malleable to an extent^^^this nona knows what she's talking about.whether you're faketrans (like me), trannymaxxer or dysphoric, if you don't enjoy yourself (yes, sexually too) then odds are you're ngmi.
>>44169676>I'm just really socially awkwardwhat does that mean? I ask specifically because what's socially awkward for a normal man is not always awkward for a cute weak male or a tranny (you said you get gendered fem when boymoding so I assume you already look gentle weak/effeminate).>esp. around women because i feel like an intruder among themgotta drop that shame, nona.you are not an intruder. You're a younger woman. They lived longer as women and you're trying to catch up.I can't emphasize enough just how important it is to "mentally transition" too. You can't expect others to see you as a woman if you don't at least partially see yourself as one.>my social circle is now mostly cis women and i do try and copy mannerisms and the way they talkBased. You're on the right track in this department.If you're into men, you should start trying to date.In my experience with dysphoric trannies, you people have the right instinct (on shit that I had to learn mechanically as trannymaxer) but rarely the right execution.I won't ask which country but in this part of the world being a shut-in is bad no matter what. So whatever you do, DO NOT become a shut in. In the summer make sure you spend at least 20 hours per week outside.And, really, what matters most is to not let this consume your whole existence. I made this mistake in the first ~18 months until I realized that life goes on and significant chunk of life is not gendered anyway, but rather boring stuff: work, bills, groceries, pipe leakages if you live in a commie block (I did) and so on.Funny story: first time I malefailed was when I called the plumber to help me fix a malfunction. He called his colleague and went like "I might need a second guy with this. I can't ask the fine miss to go underneath the sink." :)))
>>44169741damn bitch
>>44169847not a bitch tho. I'm actually quite mellow now.
>>44169845>So whatever you do, DO NOT become a shut in. In the summer make sure you spend at least 20 hours per week outside.nta but ive been a complete shut in and basically only left ny apartment when i had to ever since i transitioned. its so hard to get out of being a shut in when youve fallen into it. wtf do you do outside for 20 h/week? i dont have friends or money
>>44169473could you expand/tell more about how MEF helped you ? I'm genuinly curious about that
>>44169870>i dont have friends or moneyBECAUSE you are a shut-in.Still, you don't need money to be in a park. The context with the other nona was cities in Eastern Europe. All of them have free-of-charge festivals during the summer and early fall. You don't need money for any of that. And you can get into random convos with people.In June even secondary cities in Eastern Europe had some LGBT events. Almost all of them free of charge.> wtf do you do outside for 20 h/week?2h/day (14h/week) is the bare legal minimum for maximum security inmates. Think about that nona. The worst scum of society have an unalienable right to at least 14h/week of direct sunlight. That's how important it is to be outside! It's literally fundamental to living.Read a book in the park. Play ball alone against the wall. idgaf. Just be outside!!We as humans were not made to stay in a box in front of screens for months or years on end.Also, how do you pay for your apartment? You got some secret benefactor or an inheritance? It's impossible not to hit a social contact unless you actively avoid it.
>>44169845first of all thanks for responding I reeaaaaaly appreciate it <3>what does that mean?to me it means just not talking much in my friend group, but i think I still laugh a lot. I avoid cameras like fire, which is understandable ig. The most awkward thing is probably just sticking to my 2 "comfort friends" in my bigger friend group most of the time during hang outs and I sometimes have trouble just talking about stuff with the friends that I'm not that close with. Also I think I would talk more and have more confidence if my voice was better. Naturally the thing to do is to come out, but i'm scared they'll always see me as a disgusting amab freak. (they are supportive and there is another trans person in our friend group...)>gotta drop that shame, nona.I know, but it's so hard for me. >I can't emphasize enough just how important it is to "mentally transition" too. You can't expect others to see you as a woman if you don't at least partially see yourself as one.that's the thing too, idk if I'll ever be able to see myself as a woman with the way I look>DO NOT become a shut inIM TRYING XD but it's harder and harder for me, almost didnt come to my last hangout with friends because I felt so ugly and like a "third gender">In the summer make sure you spend at least 20 hours per week outside.the thing is all my friends are away because of summer break and internships so i geniuenly have no idea what should i even be doing outside, ig i like walks but that's it, idk if its enough to be doing for 20h/weekI've tried dating and am into men, have tried dating, but i'm still clocky so idk about that. First time I malefailed was similar actually, but I don't wanna clock myself cus people might recognize it>I won't ask which countryPoland
okay i came back to the thread and lost track of who is saying what to whobut i have to add my autism makes it hard to socialise
>>44168802>fair enough. I get this all the time. That I can't possibly be a trannymaxxer and was in fact a tranny all along. But I'm like... I never had a single tranny thought before age 22 or so when I started toying with the idea of trannymaxxing.Honestly same. Never had a single troon thought before 23 except the one time I stumbled upon a couple "genderbend" stories when I was like 16. Only learned medical transition was a thing from browsing /b/ 12 years ago. I kind of think tranny thoughts are an infohazard. Part of me thinks that if I'd had a gf before these thoughts I never would've transitioned.>The only thing I was all along was a bisexual (thank God for that)Same, but my attraction to men was heavily repressed until I started HRT.>>44168765>well your trannymaxx journey including the medical and social historyI trooned over a decade ago. Like I said in the other post I just liked the idea of being more feminine so I could be attractive to a potential partner. I didn't consider myself a woman or trans until like, years into it. I started dating my new husband at around 3 years HRT, and I scheduled my SRS at around the same time (and got it a year later in Thailand). After SRS I kind of just gave in and accepted I was going to only be with men and only be a subby tranny for the rest of my life. We married after 5 years of dating, and now we've been married 4 years. I sometimes completely forget that I used to be a boy and that I didn't always have a vagina.>and how you stopped being an incelDo you mean the incel beliefs, or just sex? My now husband took my virginity after maybe 5 months of dating. We did it probably 3 times before I got SRS (we still lived long distance at that point). I kinda wish I'd waited until after simply because the entire time I was covering my old parts with one hand because I was so ashamed of having them and of him being able to see them.
>>44169741>kek, that's me.>every once in a while I wake up in the morning next to him and I'm amazed. 10 years ago I was the man waking up next to a woman. Seems like a lifetime ago.Same, except I've never touched a woman so it's even more embarrassing.
>>44170360somehow trannymaxxers sound more trutrans than some of the other trannies here on this board
>>44169955what festivals are you talking about? nta, but also from eastern europe and idk if i know what you're talking about, but that might be because i dont really socialize
>>44170670How so? (I'm that poster)
>>44170750i was thinking that they almost seem more trutrans than the "cis men on hrt"
>>44170770Probably because trannymaxxers don't deny being trannies (even if fake) and don't call themselves men.
>>44170360so youve been on hrt for over a decade? how did you actually start your trannydom, not the journey you said it already i just mean the medicine how does your srs actually feel and work now and back then? is it even functional and safe? i meant incel beliefs>>44169955im not that poster you replied to here but i spend almost all day indoors every day and i sleep 10 hours every night including another nap midday and have absolutely no social skills or experience talking
>>44170670that's literally just because they pass though. anyone who ends up living like a woman will sound more trutrans simply for the fact that they now experience life as a woman and hearing a woman('s perspective) is what you expect from a (also nonpassing) trvtranny
>>44170743>>44170834>what festivals are you talking about?In my city of 300k people there were the following organized either by the city or the county/regional council:- the city's holidays (3 days in May)- the city's [biggest minority] cultural holidays (next month, 7 days - i always go to that one)- food festival (3 days in July)- several symphonic music concerts (at least 8 of them free of charge)- free museums' night (free of charge at all museums in the county for 24-48hrs non stop)And that's just those I attended or passed by. I googled a little bit and it turns out there are even more things that even I didn't know they existed.Seriously nonas, you gotta stop using internet just for doomscrolling. Even smaller cities (under 50-100k people) in east europe have free of charge events that are actually nice and are a great socialization opportunity even for loners.How tf do you think I gained social skills? I wasn't always financially secure or confident. But I wanted to make trannymaxxing actually work. An antisocial tranny (no matter how well-passing) is only marginally better than an asocial incel moid.
>>44170968okay you said you're from eastern europe and in a 300k city and now im really curious where you're from, cus in my mind I think we might be close. >>44169988im this tranny
>>44170387>it's even more embarrassing.Or it's more pure since you are more trutrans than me.I regret nothing tho. I got to live life as de facto husband of a woman and de facto wife of a man. I certainly prefer this one.>>44170360>Part of me thinks that if I'd had a gf before these thoughts I never would've transitionednta but the opposite for me. If I hadn't had a gf I wouldn't have transitioned. I wasn't even mad when my last gf left me (due to her crap family).She's now still single. We reconnected recently after she cut me off at the behest of her insane parents.
>>44171039>now im really curious where you're fromRomania.>idk if I'll ever be able to see myself as a woman with the way I lookBad attitude.Correct attitude: You're still growing as a woman. One is not born a woman, one becomes a woman.Heck, I didn't see myself as a woman even 3 years after ffs and with a passport that said female.Mental transition is a whole different process than the physical one and they rarely overlap. >>44170360 talks (correctly imo) about this too and she's closer to you than to me.>>44170828nta>and don't call themselves mennot anymore ig. But I will deny in public being a tranny if I'm not in my hometown. Not that I need to atp. And after srs it will be straight up ridiculous to call me a man, lol.
what in the fuck is "trannymaxxing" do these people understand that estrogen isn't some magic pill that makes you into an anime girl?
>>44171131>ridiculous to call me a manI wish that would be possible for every tranny
>>44169949How should I put this? Sexuality is the fastest/most effective hack into neurplasticity. Once one accepts something sexually, it eventually seeps into all other aspects of life eventually.If one is naturally AGP and androphilic then some form of MEF more or less naturally emerges. Since I was only partially androphilic (bifag starting point) but not AGP, transition was entirely a mechanical process. Worked great physically by sheer will, discipline and money. But it was still a role/a persona. I absolutely enjoyed people being more friendly to me, men being romantically interested in me and all the benefits I sought, but it was still a chore to 'girlmode' and act feminine, even though it had become more and mre of an automatism/second nature by the time I discovered MEF.MEF is (to me) the sexual expression that I'm not a real man. I am different from men and I feminized/am feminizing myself for my husband and being the best woman I can be has to first start with accepting that I am not a man sexually too.May sound cringe to some but the more I rewired my sexuality to be more passive/receptive/whatever-you-wanna-call-it, the more confident I felt in my newfound femininity outside of sex too. Longterm use of hrt also is slowly coming to the point I actually need at least an orchi so I decided to go straight for SRS. That's something I wouldn't have considered in 2024 for instance. But since now I enjoy being submissive to my husband, I also want to get rid of anal prep. Also, logistically, it'd make me basically full stealth.
>>44169473>>44169576>>44169845ntaI don't have anybody to ask it so how I know what mannerism I have? Like I was mocked because of my sometimes autistic sometimes effeminate mannerism a lot (yes, a fucking lot). Also, people feel uncomfortable they say I look like I'm about to ask a question but say nothing. Idk. I thought I just had creepy maniac stare, but maybe I just look confused or lost.When I look at myself from the side, I see an old sad alcoholic the way I sit or something is always wrong. I have fucked up gigamale body proportions (huge hands, wide shoulders, narrow hips, tall) so when I act expressively, I don't feel feminine I feel like a hysteric autist.Like idk I understand women, I was raised around women and had mostly female friends but I was always excluded and couldn't connect with people because of homophobia and transphobia, I'm kinda fembrained, but in an autistic unsocialized way.I can't ask my friends if I'm faggish because they call everybody gay.I know I have to make real friends and everything but can it be accessed internally?>>44170387>Same, except I've never touched a woman so it's even more embarrassing.sounds like a goal))
>>44170834>how did you actually start your trannydom, ... I just mean the medicineI started with diy oral E. Didn't tell anyone about it until almost a year into it when I broke down and told a therapist.>how does your srs actually feel and work now and back then?I mean, it feels normal? Feels like I have a vagina (and that I've always had it). The feeling hasn't changed much since I got it (other than the numbness wearing off right after the surgery.)>is it even functional and safe?Yes, very! I've genuinely had no problems with it other than maybe one UTI. I'd say it's functional since my husband used it pretty much daily, sometimes 3-4 times in a day... I'm able to orgasm too, both from fingering and from penetration.>I meant incel beliefsI was a major /pol/ for a couple of years but weaned off it once I started transitioning. I used to espouse the belief of men getting the short end of the stick in dating, but I at least know now that it's way more complicated than that.>>44171050>I regret nothing tho. I got to live life as de facto husband of a woman and de facto wife of a man. I certainly prefer this one.That's fair. I'll never actually know if I could've made it as a man if I'd been with a woman. Maybe that's one benefit to your experiences?>>44171131>And after srs it will be straight up ridiculous to call me a man, lol.Yeah, that's how I felt about it after my SRS. Used to think a lot about whether I'm truetrans or not, but now it's just a silly thing to even contemplate because I'm married to a man and stuck with breasts and a vagina for the rest of my life. Might as well fully lean into it and try to be a good woman and wife...
>>44171185why are you assuming they don't know that they have to put in more effort than E?
>>44171304>Longterm use of hrt also is slowly coming to the point I actually need at least an orchi so I decided to go straight for SRSNTA but that's what I'd recommend you do too. My SRS results (aesthetics especially) were even better than they would've been if I'd had an orchid before.
>>44171457>I'd say it's functional since my husband used it pretty much daily, sometimes 3-4 times in a day...some people have a lot of sex wow>I used to espouse the belief of men getting the short end of the stick in datingto me it basically looks like this is facts right now>because I'm married to a man and stuck with breasts and a vagina for the rest of my lifehow big was the marriage? how expensive? and how expensive was srs? how much did your boobs grow?
>>44171469maybe it's just the really bizarre gen-alpha speak, but it kind of implies that there are people who really think to themselves>I really wish I could have a successful life as a man and father>but I'm not six feet tal, don't make six figures, have a medically average penis, don't have a chiseled jaw line, don't have six-pack abs, etc>so even though 99.9% of men through all of human history haven't met every single one of those arbitrary standards that tiktok influencers have set, success as a man is literally impossible>never once thought about being a woman before, but clearly the only logical choice for me is to pink pill>can't get a girlfriend, become the girlfriend!
>>44171624one of them said they were socially retarded. the logical conclusion is that they were "invisible" to everyone because they were socially inept. they may be in denial of this, but what other impetus would there be? can't socialize because you're incapable of it, become woman to make it easier.
>>44172236social skills can be practiced, and transitioning won't magically fix social skillsI know we are here on 4chan, but look at some of the other boards at least. There are groups of low functioning autists who can make friends by treating socialization as similar to drawing or other skills, and aspies who self-medicate with alcohol to overcome anxiety. I know of one general where there is a flowchart specifically for helping autistic people socialize, though I doubt it's much help to anyone who isn't autistic.
>>44171624>>I really wish I could have a successful life as a man and father>>but I'm not six feet tal, don't make six figures, have a medically average penis, don't have a chiseled jaw line, don't have six-pack abs, etcsociety changed really fast with the smartphone and zoomer culture if you arent all of the listed above, you are severely fucked, especially if you also have autism
what's funny about these threads is everyone talks about what they did, how they did it, how successful it's been--but they ignore the underlying cause as to their invisibility to the world pre-transition. I've never seen someone with a meaningful response to "why did you do it?" their answer is "I was an incel obviously" but I haven't heard them say WHY they were an incel.
>>44172579>"I was an incel obviously"is this already not an appropriate answer? being an incel is life consuming and a shitty existence denied any human dignity by society at large and people in your life treating you like shit for being an autistic manlet loser then blame you for being the way you are
>>44172629>being an incel is life consuming and a shitty existence denied any human dignity by society at large and people in your life treating you like shit for being an autistic manlet loser then blame you for being the way you arebeing an trans is life consuming and a shitty existence denied any human dignity by society at large and people in your life treating you like shit for being an autistic gigahon loser then blame you for being the way you are
>>44172663>gigahonwhy would you give up your clearly masculine or even chad build to become a tranny then? doesnt make any sense
>>44172694because they're transgender unlike transmaxxers
>>44172710seemingly not trans enough if they want to become gigahons
>>44171457>Maybe that's one benefit to your experiences?Socially, not really.Sexually, yeah for sure. Especially after srs. I'm actually higher libido than I was a year preop. The fact that at some point I used to penetrate women and I purposefully chose to become permanently submissive to men is a turn on for both of us. I still have some old instincts, like I try to ride him to feel a little bit dominant or sometimes my hips move wrong but in time he also learned how to put me in my place.>sometimes 3-4 times in a dayI honestly envy you. I wish we had that much time. We both work a lot and are routinely tired. I do know that I go crazy if too much time passes and we don't have sex.>Feels like I have a vagina (and that I've always had it)>>44170834 i concur with nona.If not for the fetish, I'd routinely forget that I'm a tranny. It's quite amazing how fast and well the body and the brain adapts to the change. I think I'd freak out if I were to suddenly have a dick again. Even in my dreams I'm me from now.I remember a few months before the surgery some post on the board was telling me that i'd be missing shooting a load but now masturbation feels way better and is way more enjoyable.
>>44172793no one wants to be or chooses to be a gigahon
>>44172824then why transition if you wont become a woman
>>44167975be careful, you're going to attract the rabid transmeds
>>44171457>Used to think a lot about whether I'm truetrans or notThat's one problem i certainly never had.Lowkey I always advise dysphoric trannies to abandon this brainworm, especially if everything or most of everything else is going fine.'trutrans' is imo a psyop. You trooned because you knew you had no chance with women. I trooned because I was invisible. The other nona trooned for the fetish. You two are post op, I'll soon join that rank (date TBD but basically 5-7 months from now). Technically none of us is 'trutrans' yet all three live full time with the men we love and as heterosexual women. I feel that actions should matter a bit more than esotheric motivations.>>44171484>My SRS results (aesthetics especially) were even better than they would've been if I'd had an orchid beforeTo be honest I'm not interested that much in aesthetics. I'm a lot more interested in functionality. If it looks kinda-off but works right, I'll be happy. I already look like a mid woman so it's not like I'm aiming for supermodel looks.Technical q: How long did your recovery take? When did you stop dilating (or did you)?I'm saving up for a year of recovery (I am aware of the harshness of the first 2-3 months) but ideally I'd want to quit dilating in under a year and just replace it with regular sex.>>44172236>one of them said they were socially retardedthat'd be me.>can't socialize because you're incapable of it, become woman to make it easierI won't deny this was part of the thought process, and it was in fact partially true. However, I also discovered pretty fast that it's a lot more complicated than that. I had however the advantage that I resolutely was not an autist so it wasn't really that hard to improvize, adapt and overcome.>the logical conclusion is that they were "invisible" to everyone because they were socially ineptMyopic view. Yes, I was socially inept in 2016. But I was socially inept in 2018 as well (one year into hrt) yet I was no longer invisible.
>>44172982have you heard of dysphoria?
>>44172999wouldnt it make it worse to go from a man to a mannish troon?
>>44173026you don't really understand dysphoria
I see most trans women as women but I truly can only see transmaxxers as men
>>44173073i mean, going from a man which is a normal societal role while being average or tall height with a masculine body and a pretty ok life to being a troon then seeing yourself not look like a woman, would it not make you feel worse not better?
Thanka to this thread i now have all the "data" i need.Troonmaxxing can evolve even further.
>>44171428>I was mocked because of my sometimes autistic sometimes effeminate mannerism a lotYou gotta find a way to figure out which ones are effeminate and which ones are autistic. Keep the former (and heavily lean into them) and try to slowly phase out the latter.>people feel uncomfortable they say I look like I'm about to ask a question but say nothingI knew a tranny like that. Well, I still know her but she no longer does that.The good news is that it's fixable. The bad news is that I have no idea if it can be done alone. The way my tranny friend fixed it was by me constantly saying to her "stop staring" and "you're doing it again, nona". Six months of this has slowly made her conscious of it and in another six months she got rid of it completely. You need a close friend for this. Someone who you trust to be brutally honest and hold you accountable. A cis woman is the best choice. A non-dysphoric tranny is the second best choice.>so when I act expressively, I don't feel feminine I feel like a hysteric autistThe two are not that different, kek. The main difference is enjoyment. And people notice when you don't enjoy it. You gotta get rid of that shame.>look at myself from the side, I see an old sad alcoholic the way I sit or something is always wrongdo others think there's something always wrong? If not, then it's a brainworm and you need to kill it.As for body, get tailored stuff. A fancy dress tailored for your body looks just as awesome as those tailored for an afab body. Get tailored clothes that specifically de-emphasize your shoulders and make your hips appear wider. You'd be surprised how many things can be achieved with relatively simple (read: not expensive) tailoring tricks.>can it be accessed internally?Some things can. The one about how you look (read: stare) at people Idk if it's possible.But other mannerisms are easier to evaluate as other people's feedback is pretty instant.(1/2)
>>44173114you are only imagining it from the outside perspective. Imagine looking in the mirror and seeing a hideous meat golem that isn't you. You hate literally everything about what you see and the very thought of having to spend every day as that thing is so horrifying that you genuinely consider taking the mirrors down from your bathroom wall or covering them with something. But for some reason, other people insist that your are handsome and normal. They can't see the real you trapped inside.
>>44171428(2/2)Like I learned in less than a week that the way I gather my feet (in the bus, when waiting at an institution, in the store, etc) reads wrong to other people. The look on their faces was pretty clear. Once it was repeated on 50+ different people who don't know me and don't know each other it was clear. So I looked way closer on how cis women do it and just practiced that. The odd looks disappeared in a few weeks.There's plenty of these minute things that can be pretty annoying. I'm not an autist so it took extra effort to notice them. For autists the opposite problem emerges: they notice it and then get hyperfocused on it instead of dealing with it and moving on. Imo the solution is the same: 80/20. Get 80% of the result with 20% or less effort. You don't need to do every single minute thing perfectly cispassable (cis women don't do that either lol). "Good enough" must become part of your standard vocabulary when evaluating yourself and your actions.And, really, you should be looking into MEF. If you find a way to make that fun/enjoyable, a lot of these minute things fall into place down the road pretty much automatically.
>>44173164i feel horrible about my body too but nobody tells me im handsome though
>>44169955the inmate thing is kind of a wakeup call ngl. i just dont think me hanging out in a park alone and probably freezing my ass off is gonna lead into friendships or literally anyone talking to me and i dont have the social skills to just walk up to a stranger unless im hammered>how do you pay for your apartmentunemployment benefits, and i have 30k in student debt and no way to pay it back
>>44171520>some people have a lot of sex wowIt just kind of happens when you're in love.>to me it basically looks like this is facts right nowI know it goes against the premise of this whole thread, but I don't really think trannymaxxing is the solution for everyone here. In hindsight it worked for me because I really was just a tranny in the end. A lot of my dating and social troubles were due to being depressed due to hating my body, and feeling stuck in a gender role that I utterly despised. When I didn't hate my body anymore I improved my appearance a ton because it felt good to be pretty. When I wasn't forcing myself to be a man and could just be myself, people became more willing to be around me and socialize with me partly because I was no longer "faking it" if that makes sense?>how big was the marriage? how expensive?It was normal sized, jjust over 60 people. Tbh I'm not sure of the full cost because both our parents chipped in some. Probably in the $5000 range for us alone...>and how expensive was srs?$17000, with the Suporn clinic. Not including hotel or travel.>how much did your boobs grow?I have C-cups now. Progesterone cycling really filled them out.>>44172821>I'm actually higher libido than I was a year preop. Same>purposefully chose to become permanently submissive to men is a turn on for both of usSame too>I wish we had that much time. We don't either. The 3-4 times a day is like once a month when we're both feeling it. Usually it's just once a day.>I think I'd freak out if I were to suddenly have a dick again. I actually have a nightmare about that scenario a few times per year. It's awful, lol. The whole time while dreaming I just think "darn it I have to go through SRS again" and have to hide my stupid dream penis from people >masturbation feels way better and is way more enjoyable.Yep. Especially once I figured out how to use a dildo in my vagina at the right angle to hit my internal neoclitoris area and orgasm from that...
>>44173221okay so do you think will trannymaxxing help me?im currently basically a hermit in my apartment
>>44173221is there any benefit to cycling progesterone over taking it every night in terms of growth? i get 200mg capsules and i'm not sure if i should keep boofing nightly or if i should do 2 weeks on 400mg, 2 weeks off.
>>44173213>i just dont think me hanging out in a park alone and probably freezing my ass off is gonna lead into friendshipsFreezing? It's July. Unless you're down under or south Brazil, ig.Hanging out in a park may not directly lead to friendships, but it will lead to you getting more natural vitamin D which is vital for your overall energy in life and literally your vitality.>or literally anyone talking to meYou'd be surprised. I made friends with a homeless guy as a manmoder. Then he introduced me to the park's caretaker. We bonded over how life sucks and then slowly got to know each other. A few years later I got the homeless guy a crappy job (I knew the business owner) and a connection to an NGO that got him some housing. The park guard/caretaker is still there and we still hang out occasionally. He also makes sure nobody upsets Mrs. Anon (me).Recently I learned that the homeless guy has finally secured a subsidized apartment and has been promoted at the place where I got him hired. I gotta find time to meet him this year. I wanna tell him I'm proud of him. I know how much he needs that more than anything.>and i dont have the social skills to just walk up to a stranger unless im hammeredThen get someone who will hammer you if you can't find the motivation internally to do it.But I have this strong suspicion that after a month of constant 20h/week outside you'll be feeling quite a bit differently in a good way. Fuck it, add vitamin D supps too - just do it, there's no way you can do any harm with 5000 ui pill per day.>unemployment benefitswork under the table if the de facto possibility exists. This way you keep your benefits and are also compelled by reality to socialize. Lots of weirdos are in those environments. Perfect practicing area. I did that without the benefits (no meaningful welfare in my country) just for the opportunity to meet all sorts of people. Most of them suck, but even from those I learned a few things.
>>44173221>I don't really think trannymaxxing is the solution for everyone herenta but this needs to be said, for sure.I mentioned it here >>44168802 tooHowever, I will also say that it's the solution for more people than we dare to think.>feeling stuck in a gender role that I utterly despised. When I didn't hate my body anymore I improvedyou certainly do sound way more trutranny.but it's also a chicken and the egg situation (certainly for me): you hated your own body because you couldn't make it as a man or you hated your body because you were a tranny?I mean I never hated my body,.. until I did. Tried to make it work. But ultimately the male appearance was simply detrimental.
I just love seeing pictures of famous trannies comparing pre and post transition, realizing I look like most of them pre-transition, feeling like my life is doomed to troon out even if I didn't want it or don't fit it that well outside of face
>>44173303>its julyyou underestimate my ability to be cold at all times. i get enough sun and i take supplements i dont want more sun cause it ages you. but im trying to find a way to socialize this year, like finding a free dnd group or smth
>>44173455nta, use sunscreen
>>44173221>>I'm actually higher libido than I was a year preop. >SameI honestly did not expect that. Not that im complaining, but the horror stories online tempered my expectations quite a bit. While now I honestly don't understand androphilic trannies who are no-op by choice.>Same tooDo you also have the brainworm of fucking the boy out of you? It sounds very cringe when not horny but my brain turns to mush when he says it.>Usually it's just once a dayThat's still better than us. Though week-end is coming. It's been three days and i'm kinda going crazy. It's ridiculous how much I crave it.What's also interesting is that the more I talk about this with my cis f friends the more I realize that this is in fact normal>I actually have a nightmare about that scenario a few times per year. It's awful, lolSorry to hear that. I can imagine.I mean... im glad I had a dick, but im very glad I dont anymore. If that makes sense.>once I figured out how to use a dildo in my vagina at the right angle to hit my internal neoclitoris area and orgasm from that...oh shut up!or maybe I should shut up and try to do in such a way that he "catches" me when he comes form work. Ik he'll come tired, and im tired as well but damn it...btw, do you finger as well or just dildo and vibrators? took over a year until fingering did anything. but when it did...anyway, i shouldn't be hornyposting.
>>44173453When I was 7 I got really sad when my mother told me I couldn't ever be pregnant like she was. Never connected the dots to "tranny" until 23. (Try watching the Jeremy Springer episodes called "your wife is a man" or something like that if you're confused about why us older mellenials repressed. Everyone thought tranny meant giga rapehon who got their penis chopped off. HRT wasn't a thing normal people knew about until like 2012.
I'd like to ask my (probably) fellow transmaxxers a questionAre you or were you guys ever misandristic in any way?I hold somewhat misandristic beliefs but recently something happened that made me question how honest they are or if they're some sort of coping mechanismThis is probably gonna sound like virtue signaling but I came across an old man asking for food when I was returning from the grocery store and before even thinking about it I gave him some of my groceriesThis happened before but this is the first time it happened since i trooned out and started digging deeper into the misandry rabbit holeOnly after that did I realize that that was probably kinda hypocritical of meIs it an elaborate cope and I semi subconciously believe that being misandristic will make me more of a trutranny? Or just a form of self harm?Thinking about it rationally and logically misandry makes sense to me but even then idk if I "developed" it as some form of defense mechanismI'm pretty sure I'm a transmaxxer since I was a porn addict chaser before and also held some incelish bitterness, plus my body type is relatively lucky for a troon even tho i still look like an ugly man for now. And I can't really come to terms with that and accept that.
>>44173624>>44173624Sorry I deleted my post because I felt stupid. Yeah I didn't even know what transitioning was until like 2019 even though I'm a millenial. I still feel like I should because I jave felt miserable ever since I've had some testosterone in my system. I have been wanting to cry for like 13 years and I literally can't, I think because of how testosterone numbs emotions. I still have a tiny frame and androgynous face. The only thing discernible male about me is my facial and body hair, which I hate of course. I consider transitioning still but I'm a chicken and never will probably.There is also the problem of where would I even fit in. I fit in nowhere despite being socially competent. The Uber leftist trans communist puppy girl crowd disgusts me, and almost everybody else is seemingly retarded except for normal people with moderate opinions, who mostly don't like trans people (for the same reasons I said I don't like a subset of them). I just wish I could have been a normal woman/wife/mom. Gosh I must be cursed.
>>44173771>Are you or were you guys ever misandristic in any way?No. Never. I like men. I care about men.>believe that being misandristic will make me more of a trutrannyI can't even begin to describe the seething hatred that I have for that brainworm. It's amazing how psyopped the tranny "community" has been. I saw this happening in real time even before I considered trannymaxing.In the first year or so I was upset that I couldn't fit with other trannies but then I grew up and realized that it is in fact a good thing not to hang out with misandrists, gigacommies and straight up extremists and delusional people whose views are not just toxic in and of themselves, but also so outside the realm of reality that they make the seething robots sound reasonable by comparison (and most of those don't sound reasonable either).>I'm pretty sure I'm a transmaxxer since I was a porn addict chaser before and also held some incelish bitternessThat does not make one a transmaxxer.A transmaxxer is someone who transitions without experiencing dysphoria and explicitly for the (real or perceived) social and economic benefits. What you believe(d) about politics or your overall sexuality doesn't make you more or less of a transmaxxer.I was never a chaser but I liked porn. And still do, though entirely different kind of porn and self-inserting differently. Why would I hate myself for being sexual?Unless your plan is to be stuck in the queer ghetto with the most dysfunctional transbians, I strongly urge you to re-think things, nona. Misandry or misogyny are not conducive to a healthy social and sexual life. You're not more of a trutranny for hating ~48% of the human race. You're just another hater.Spend time among functional cis women and log off from the internet more. Functional women aren't misandrist just like functional men aren't misogynistic. The internet is not real life.Please, break the cycle of algorithmic brainwashing and psyops. For your sake!t. >>44168438
>>44173221>>44168438how does your daily life with your husbands actually looks like now? both of you if i tagged correctlyi want to hear the intricacies and the details and the love and the care and how he treats you and all the small things that make you feel better
>>44173903nta but i also fell into the misandrymaxxing tranny stereotype and i think this might've been sort of a wake up call for me
NGL transmaxxing gets me hard af... the thought of a male failing so hard that he has to become a woman is peak feminization fetish
Question for the married/almost married trannies here. Do your husbands get like, pretty handsy with you when you're alone with him? Do you like that kind of thing? Do you have a more dom sub relationship or is it more equal?I'm only asking because my bf has become a lot more confident lately and he'll like, hug me from behind and start groping my chest. Or he'll pick me up and put me in the bed and start feeling my lady area (I'm post-op) with his hands while kissing me. Is this normal bf behavior? Am I wrong for absolutely loving this? I feel super hot in the chest when he does this kinda stuff and I remember our agreement that he's allowed to touch me however he wants when others aren't around... Do feel kind of like a fake women when I like this kid and of stuff though.(Literally posted while he's laying in my side and touching me through my underwear btw...)
>>44173903>A transmaxxer is someone who transitions without experiencing dysphoria and explicitly for the (real or perceived) social and economic benefits. Yeah I did say my body type is conducive to transmaxing, I'm short with a somewhat stocky face with no midface, even though i do have some strong male features I do believe I will reap social benefits if my transition ends up being successfulIdk about having dysphoria I'm still pondering that one heavily>Why would I hate myself for being sexual?Even before I had tranny thoughts (which obviously made it even worse given that trannies have a reputation for being agp) I always felt guilty about being a porn addict. You could argue it's from being raised by christoids but I grew out of that pretty quickly but still felt shame about porn. I still really wish I wasn't gynephilic>Unless your plan is to be stuck in the queer ghetto with the most dysfunctional transbiansI really don't that's why I'm thinking of this in a meta way ahead of time.
>>44173274>okay so do you think will trannymaxxing help me?It depends a lot. If you're in a hopeless dating situation as a man you might do a little better after trannymaxxing. Even if you pass good and get SRS and everything, 9 out of 10 guys will want nothing to do with you. You'll never be on the same level as cis women either way.Additionally, you should really think about whether you'd be okay living out your life as a woman. It's not a thing you can turn of when you're not pursuing a relationship. When you're at work, you're a tranny. When you're at home, you're a tranny, When you're showering, you're a tranny. When you're out in public and you gotta use the restroom, you're still a tranny. If you want to go to the pool you gotta accept that people are going to see your breasts and that you'll have to wear swim trunks (i.e. crossdress in public) if you're pre-op. As a woman a lot of men will treat you as disposable. Some will be nice just to get into your pants and "try" a trans person. Many women will treat you as a gay guy if you're out, or act like a bitch to you if you're stealth and even remotely competition. You've also gotta be okay with needing medication for the rest of your life, with going through SRS if you choose, and other super expensive tranny things.Now weigh all those things against just staying as you are now. If it still sounds appealing, maybe it's worth considering.
>>44173932idk what you want to hear but there's really nothing too special. We both work to build a life together. I mentioned here >>44168612That imo is the biggest declaration of love to each other. That we actively work to secure our future together. We had a frugal wedding so we can save up more faster so we finally become property owners.We're finally considering our first proper vacation together after we sign the paperwork for our modest place. It will be somewhere remote with no internet. So we can finally relax.Waking up in his arms is still the best thing in terms of personal emotional well-being. I can't get enough of his warmth, honestly. Second best thing is when he kisses me on my back, spoons me and falls asleep. Bringing him peace so that he feels relaxed to fall asleep without worry makes me very happy.In the last two years (since I leaned into MEF), I started enjoying a lot more to uphold his masculinity and treat him like my husband rather than my "partner" (hate that term when used for spouses). This has had a positive effect on him too. He's gotten more confident and a lot more willing and excited to treat me as his wife, and not just sexually (though that is highly appreciated too). He now expects me to dress appropriately like an elegant married woman. I really needed that. Since I pass in anything, I was starting to neglect the way I presented myself.We don't spoil each other materially because, agian, we're adults not teenagers. And we have adult concerns. But we both strive to make the other's time worth it.>>44168438
>>44174244>If you're in a hopeless dating situation as a man you might do a little better after trannymaxxingwell considering I am a truecel khhv with exactly 0 experience in anything relationship or sex wise. pretty hopeless >It's not a thing you can turn ofi mean is one of the goals not to completely change who you are as a person right? why would i need to turn that off if being a man is already hopeless for me while short and small>You've also gotta be okay with needing medication for the rest of your lifeive been taking various meds for over a decade now and im only 20, still do some today>>44174267>It will be somewhere remote with no internet. So we can finally relax.somewhere specific or just a broad idea right now?>In the last two years (since I leaned into MEF), I started enjoying a lot more to uphold his masculinity and treat him like my husbandsurprised this wasnt done earlier from you and him ngl, gendered acts really mane relationships actually fuller i think >And we have adult concernswell, true. you sound happy and fulfilled
>>44174069>this post is likely b8 and you're likely >>44168223, but on the off-chance it isn't b8...>Do your husbands get like, pretty handsy with you when you're alone with him?Most of the time, yes.>Do you like that kind of thing?Of course. I do it to him too.>Do you have a more dom sub relationship or is it more equal?Sexually I'm entirely submissive. As a relationship, it's pretty equal. I mean we both work. Technically I make more, but not by much.>Am I wrong for absolutely loving this?Lol, ofc not. You like what you like and that's it.>>44173975Now think about the fact that I did it all intentionally. I didn't "have to" but I wanted it.>feminization fetishemasculation fetish, to be more precise in my case. It's not like I'm hiding it.>hard afThe fastest way to get my bf hard is to mention I used to penetrate women. In under 3 minutes I'm under him :3
>>44173279Idk if it actually works any better or not. If you're boofing you're probably not missing out on any breast growth benefits over cycling. That being said, I very much prefer the changes in my libido through the month from cycling. Feel less like a moid that way.>>44173587>However, I will also say that it's the solution for more people than we dare to think.It probably could be. I said earlier in the thread that I think a lot of people would do okay if they woke up as the opposite sex and with a different sex partner. I think a lot of normies are really simple and don't think about things beyond "if someone's a woman, they like men and have sex with them". I could see a lot of guys just accepting it if it happened to them. I think trannies have a combination of feminized brain and also gender role sensitivity baked into their genes, which is why we transition.>you hated your own body because you couldn't make it as a man or you hated your body because you were a tranny?I'm not sure myself. On the one hand, I was definitely partway down the incel pipeline before transition, and also suicidally depressed and extremely lonely. I start HRT for my body, but because it seemed like something that was appealing sounding to me in the past and if I was going to die I might as well try it first. I cannot believe how much better my life is now a little over a decade later. Honestly though, in hindsight I do think I was a tranny all along. One giveaway is that I never once in my entire life stood up to pee. It always seemed gross to me.>>44173845>I just wish I could have been a normal woman/wife/mom. Gosh I must be cursed.FWIW you can be that, minus the normal part. It takes a ton of effort but it was worth it for me.
>>44174388>surprised this wasnt done earlier from you and him nglI was doing it, but wasn't fully enjoying it. I did not know what I did not know. Explained a bit here >>44171304When we met I still saw myself primarily as a trannymaxxer. My body and my behaviors were feminine, but my mind and my sexuality, not so much. A lot has changed since. I still don't quite see myself as a woman, but I'm certainly not a man. He is a man.>somewhere specific or just a broad ideaEither somewhere in South East Asia or in some remote area of eastern Europe. The main criterion is weak or no internet.
>>44174464>FWIW you can be that, minus the normal part. It takes a ton of effort but it was worth it for me.It's over for me anon. I'm so traumatized by my own family, cold indifference of life, and a lot of really fucked up things. My life will never be good.
>>44174464I think you tagged me by accident. This seems a response to >>44173362Still, I will note this:>I never once in my entire life stood up to pee. It always seemed gross to meYea, you're much more of a real tranny than me. We both have mefy sexuality but your roots are way deeper.I stood up to pee until like a month before srs,lol. Tho I was already alternating in the last year. I thought I was gonna miss it or that i'd do cringe moment of leaning to pee forgetting that that's not how it works anymore. But no. Within 2 or 3 weeks after the surgery, the thought disappeared and now, yeah, the idea seems gross to me too. Very likely the stinging from the first 2 months after the surgery helped a lot to solidify the new reality in this department too.
>>44173932I'm >>44173221I'll keep some of the details just between him and I. Days usually start waking up cuddling, or him spooning me. A good half of the time we end up kissing and then having sex (PiV, ends in him cumming in my vag 90% of the time) We usually shower together after sex even on work days. Both go to work, mine starts sooner so we always kiss and say we love each other as I leave.We text each other all day at work, share things in the topics we care about, swap recipes we find (he loves cooking). When he gets home I've made it a habit to run to him and jump hug him and kiss his neck. Half the time he ends up sexing me right then and there too, usually on the couch (I think our neighbors hate us). I usually wear either pajamas, skimpy clothing, or next to nothing aside from showy underwear around the home after dinner, uh honestly to provoke him a little sexually. Because of that he's started to tell me what to wear and what he wants to see. On the days I dress up a lot of the time I end up uh, pleasing him with my mouth. He's not the longest but very girthy so it kind of hurts my jaw lol. I also like giving him handjobs and/or otherwise being close to him *that way*. I like how he smells there and he knows it too...In the non sex times we watch shows together, read together (I collect physical books), or I play multiplayer games with him. When we watch stuff on the couch we're cuddling and/or laying together 99% of the time. Sometimes I'll let him lay on my chest and I'll pet his hair as he reads or naps or sleeps. I talk to him about everything, work drama, silly things from the internet, how much I hate the current state of politics. He talks about work but is not much of a complainer and he doesn't like me to press too much. Sometimes I get really sad because I can't give him a child and he comforts me about it. But I also try to be strong and not insult myself when those thoughts come up because I know it hurts him when I attack myself.
okay i noticed my replies get ignored in my own thread and you people talk amongst yourselves instead and i feel bad
>>44174639You wanted to read successful trannymaxxing stories. You're getting a few of those.Which replies specifically are ignored?
>>44174634okay that sounds nice and actually reading all of it makes me feel a little sadnot in a that sucks way, but more of a "im missing out" way if you can understand all that you shared especially with this final post is just so calming and normal and happyi dont know how i can handle myself being so lonely right now, and at 2am laying in my bed on my phone reading thisstirring a lot of emotions, you know>>44174656uh i noticed a few got ignored but the final one was >>44174388
>>44174662>uh i noticed a few got ignored but the final one was >>44174388I replied to that.Also >>44173932 did get a response from me (you tagged me in it) and from the other nona you tagged.>>44174464Yeah, this probably was for me.>I think trannies have a combination of feminized brain and also gender role sensitivity baked into their genes, which is why we transitionLikely. Though it certainly doesn't explain me. I could definitely accept that I have a higher gender role sensitivity than most people but I'm not fembrained by default. Still working on that, now that I figured out how.>never once in my entire life stood up to peeOops. I still do, kek.Maybe I should think about that too since I'll be getting the snip soon.I did stop jerking off tho. Feels kinda gross now.
>>44172998>Technically none of us is 'trutrans' yet all three live full time with the men we love and as heterosexual women.Don't know why, but it was relieving to hear this from someone on the internet. I probably think about truetrans stuff too much.>Technical q: How long did your recovery take?1 week in the hospital, 1.5 months in Thailand, 2 more months of 3 dilations per day, 3 months of 2 per day, 6 months of 1 per day, and one year of once every three days. My skin, tissue, and canal were all fully healed by 4 months. Had gentle PiV sex at just under 3 months.>When did you stop dilating (or did you)?I still dilate once every two weeks.>but ideally I'd want to quit dilating in under a year and just replace it with regular sex.This can work if your man's penis is longer & girthier than your vagina can stretch, otherwise you'll lose the depth he can't reach. I still do it just to keep that last inch of depth (I was blessed with 7" from my surgery.)>>44173587>honestly don't understand androphilic trannies who are no-op by choice.I don't understand non-ops in general desu. It was such a positive life-altering thing to me that it seems strange that other trans women could not want it.>Do you also have the brainworm of fucking the boy out of you? It sounds very cringe when not horny but my brain turns to mush when he says it.I don't think my husband has heard of that one desu. He's said a few things about me being a former boy and how I gave up my manhood just to become a guy's wife, stuff like that. Total cringe normally but when he's balls deep in me and holding my wrists and neck, it's super hot...>btw, do you finger as well or just dildo and vibrators?All three desu.>oh shut up!To be fair it had never happened to me until a couple of weeks ago when I figured it out messing with a dildo. I think I ruined the orgasm though so I want to try again this weekend...
>>44174763so whats the final verdict for me
>>44174388>i mean is one of the goals not to completely change who you are as a person right?Yes, it is.>>44174624>Very likely the stinging from the first 2 months after the surgery helped a lot to solidify the new reality in this department too.Yeah. I wonder if so much dilation early on gets us so accustomed to having a neovag that it becomes really easy to forget what it was like to have a penis.
>>44174639This thread is really busy, sorry if I missed any of your replies anon. Is there something else you're curious about?
>>44174775>Had gentle PiV sex at just under 3 monthsThat's encouraging. I wouldn't want to keep my husband sexless for too long. Heck, I don't want to keep myself sexless for too long.>I still dilate once every two weeksYeah, it seems Suporn do be like that.Can you turn it into a masturbation session or nah? Sorry if the q is stupid. But no official guideline exists on these things.>otherwise you'll lose the depth he can't reachI honestly don't see the downside. Like it legit sounds hot that my srussy literally gets modelled after hiim.He is like 16cm (6.3 in? ig?). I'm getting full PPT for the lubrication and the reduced dilation. And if I'm lucky reduced recovery too.
>>44174846im convinced nowhow do i start trannymaxxing
>>44174779Anon, respectfully, you are the one who gives the final verdict. It's your body and literally your choice.Based on what you wrote here >>44174388 I'd try to at least hrt femboy if I were you. What's the worst that can happen? You don't like it, grow a tiny bit of gyno and you stop. That's literally the worst that can happen. Until you cycle prog, breast growth is nowhere near that spectacular as most people think.The warnings by >>44174244 are legit. It took me a few years to learn how to live as a tranny even though I could afford the surgeries and passed relatively fast. It took even more years until I learned to truly enjoy my new role and life.Sure, you can avoid some mistakes (quite a few explanations ITT) but it's still not an easy project.Whether it's ultimately worth it for you, that's something unfortunately you have to discover yourself. Based on what you say, a few months of hrt to see how it feels like and a far more intentional attempt at socializing and actually living (again, plenty of advice on that ITT as well), can't really harm you that much and would likely do you a lot of good.Physical transition (including surgeries, styling, make-up, so not just HRT) isn't magic. It's a laborious slow process that only solves one problem: making you look more feminine as time goes on if you're disciplined. But it will not solve all your other issues. Not by itself anyway.Trooning gave me extra/better tools to solve other issues I had, but I still had to address all of those too.I'm sorry I don't have a definitive yes/no answer. Trooning is an indiivdual decision. ITT you were told the trade-offs. The good and the bad. But nobody here can make the decision for you. And in fact that's a good thing.t. >>44168438
>>44174856>Can you turn it into a masturbation session or nah?It can and usually does desu. After a year dilation became a thing that puts me in the mood. It's helped by the fact that the soul source carrot is so girthy that it stimulates my clitoris during dynamic dilation. More often than not I'll end up masturbating or begging my husband for sex after dilation just to put the hornybrain back down... Horny stuff aside for years now I've had a routine of listening to music and reading novels on my phone during dilation so it's not like it's really a chore either.>it seems Suporn do be like thatI would still go there again in a heartbeat. The aesthetics of the vulva are genuinely amazing and more than cis-passing, and the pleasure of sex is better than I could've imagined. Dr. Bank is like a demigod tall Thaichad with his skills; it's really cool.
>>44174873As >>44174966 said, starting off as a HRT femboy is probably the best way to dip your toes into it. There would be no social consequences yet.Look up the practices for trans care in your country and see if it requires coming out first or years of therapy before HRT, or if it's banned entirely. If there's not a reasonable on-table way for you to explore that femininity, you can try DIY. The advice when I started was spiro or bica (preferred bica since it won't harm breast growth long term) plus 2mg of oral E sublingually for month one, then 4 mg for month 2, then 6mg for month 3 onward. If or when you start feeling your chest growth starting, reevaluate everything discussed in this thread and introspect and think about how you're feeling about the changes before you continue further. If you try bica there's a 1 in 200 chance of a severe side effect that you'll need to see a doctor for and stop the medication if it happens, so read up on that first if you take that route.Since you're already on this board asking about tranny stuff there's a good chance you continue indefinitely after that point. How far you go from there is up to you. Expect it to be hard to land a straight &/or exclusive top man without or until you have a vagina, though.
>>44175106Meant to refer to this post >>44174946
>>44167975In the best cases you'll find, like mine, the transmaxxing narrative is at best a half truth. Usually there's a combination of AGP and genuine dysphoria. Anyone who makes decisions solely to get ahead in society wouldn't ever be truly happy
>>44175129Trannymaxxing won't get you ahead "in society" lmao.
>>44173151>>44173191>I knew a tranny like that. Well, I still know her but she no longer does that.>The good news is that it's fixable. The bad news is that I have no idea if it can be done alone. The way my tranny friend fixed it was by me constantly saying to her "stop staring" and "you're doing it again, nona". Six months of this has slowly made her conscious of it and in another six months she got rid of it completely. You need a close friend for this. Someone who you trust to be brutally honest and hold you accountable. A cis woman is the best choice. A non-dysphoric tranny is the second best choice.So it's nothing wrong with my face it's just the timing when I look at them?>The two are not that different, kek. The main difference is enjoyment. And people notice when you don't enjoy it. You gotta get rid of that shame.I can't I'll be ridiculed for being a fag and people are cruel here. Like it's such a hell to live as a male homosexual and be mistreated and joked about constantly (nobody bullies lesbians tho). I have a lot of trauma>do others think there's something always wrong?except what I've said about mannerism. I just look like an ugly guy so whatever why would they care?
>>44174069I'm the handsy one with my bfSmacking his butt and groping his pp feels good, like he's mine. Of course also lots of hugging from me too
