Oldfags, what was it like being a tranny in the '90s?
>>44262508It was really easy cuz nobody could read you
>>44262508bump bc this is important info
>>44262508Not the time period you asked, but not much different
>>44262508They would rape men because none could tell then get murdered and a judge would let him off on panic defense
>>44262854First of all my silly little child a man can't be raped it's biologically impossible. Secondly most men are stronger than us and capable of doing whatever they want we have sex with people so hey volunteer have sex with us
I miss when transgenderism was just a shameful thought I had inside my head, instead of the inescapable talking point it is today.
>>44262870Because you're a typical straight male with a straight man's mentality you never went through a gay phase which was common to transgender women back when I transitioned all of us had a gay phase
>>44262899I wanted to lose my virginity to a guy my entire life and I did. What are you talking about
>>44262508Early 2000s here. It was very different. Being trans was a thing you mostly did quietly, DIY resources weren't easy to find and weren't consistently good quality.Doing it by the books had gatekeeping, but the path was pretty clear. When I transitioned it was a year of therapy before HRT, a year of HRT before any surgeries, and you needed SRS to change most ID documents, as well as letters from 2 providers with a psych evaluation. I was after the days when you had anything like RLE before HRT or mandatory male attraction.It was good, though. The process didn't bother me, I felt sure about everything I was doing, and I got to go pretty young (21). Transition as a minor was rare and required full parental support and a lot of effort.
>>44262816r8 the boymode
>>44262816Wow
>>44262964This is really interesting nona.
You could pass just by wearing make up and having long hair.Feminine=woman, and this was in Britain. Gay dudes got tons of shit, no one knew what a tranny was except for flamboyant drag queens on the telly.Oh and there was even a trans woman on the most popular British soap, Coronation Street. Millions of people saw a trans woman in a loving relationship with a cis man, every night... and no one cared. Now the media would dox the actress, the government would pull the show from air, and parliament would pass laws saying all trans people must be imprisoned immediately. Some things are better now though
>>44263655For me it's all worse now. I passed pretty well, but today, people can tell. When they can tell, it feels like being exposed to the rough parts of being male, which is getting beat up by men cuz I don't have the protection of being considered a woman. I believe most of us transitioned for social reasons back then.
>>44263776I mean better in terms of DIY. I can order hrt direct from china. No internet when i grew up. The medical side can be controlled by the individual now, which is huge.Socially, yeah, i cant dispute you. Passing now requires effort, before it was chill. Cis women getting attacked now, things are hyper bad on the social side. I see it getting worse.
>>44263776It's definitely worse now. I haven't been clocked yet to my face (stealth at work and my town) but I worry about it in ways I never did before.Also helping my gf go through legal document changes, and while the surgery requirements are gone the process is so much more cumbersome than when I did it. It's probably gonna take her close to a year, all told, to do everything that took me a couple months.
>>44263776> most of us transitioned for social reasons back then.I mean... no, not at all? For me and every other trans woman I knew it was crippling dysphoria, besides whether or not we liked guys.
>>44263903I transition long ago. I won't tell you how long because you think I'm so old. most transgender women i knew only transitioned for social reasons, it was like you didn't think you looked masculine enough to be a gay guy, so you transition anx became an asexual woman for all practical purposes
>>44263888I did not have to wait a year before taking HRT I was giving it immediately in San Francisco. Now I should have stayed gay boy because I don't have the protection of being seen as a female by everyone in society anymore so I'm always afraid now. Didn't transition for sexual reasons only for social protection
>>44264193I mean, if you think being a woman includes "social protection," we've obviously had pretty different experiences as women in major cities. I've been attacked several times in my life and it sure wasn't because I was being read as a man. Women are not particularly privileged in terms of safety in my experience. And the idea of becoming an "asexual woman for all practical purposes" doesn't match my experience at all. The vast majority of dolls I came up with, including myself, married cis men or wanted to, or were fun party girls, not people identifying as failed males. I transitioned because my body was wrong. If I wanted to be a man but sucked at it, I'd have just tried harder.
>>44263655> Coronation StreetHoly shit Hayley, I haven't thought of her in ages. My brother showed me Coronation Street back when I transitioned
>>44262816Damn she was cute, you can see the soulpassing in her eyes and body language, hope she made it
>>44264927Yeah, crazy how she was treated as just another character, wasnt a big deal.
>>44262816>obvious boymoder>"I get dressed as a man because that's what society likes to see"I'm pretty sure they're fapping to you nona
>>44262528That is the most revisionist horseshot only a zoomer could come up with
>>44262816>sissy coded presentationgod i hate this. not the girl in it, but the way everything our kind are is always forced down this bullshit pipe of hetero sissy brain out of a need for intelligibility to creepy little straggots.
>>44262899the phrasing of this is kinda wild to me. "gay phase". im pushing 4 years on HRT and the thought of being a straggot makes me want to vomit.
>go to the funnies after chippy>it's some american comedy>"I'm Jim Carey and this is kick a tranny in the penis">"Im michael myers and Im gonna kick a tranny in the penis groovy baby">"I'm Jean Reano hon hon hon kick a traneee in the peauneux"
Fascinating thread. I really love reading stuff like this. Thank you for all sharing your experiences :)
>>44268231>bloodplay or btfoHow's Melbourne?
>>44268485sorry what
>>44268403objectively confirmed what I've been believeing for years.
so what I'm getting from this thread is the average tranny used to be either a joe20 who wouldn't pass by today's standards but did back then or a repper who either died not knowing transition was an option or would go on to become a boomerhon
>>44262870Real, reading this thread is oddly repfuel and I can't really articulate why.
>>44269084Nah, i heard that back then they worked harder on passing and wouldn't dress to eccentric like y'all do.
>>44269133we don't mean to dress eccentric it's just that standard adult women's wear is so form fitting nowadays most of us are too self conscious for it so we just end up dressing like butch lesbians and/or teenage boys
>>44269154Butch lesbians are a stretch; it is more like an alternative rainbow mess. PLEASE watch makeup tutorials btw. Tbhq, comparing butch lesbians to bio men is just rude asf. t. Cis femme lesbo
>>44262508I can tell whoever is in this pic is a man; btw, he does have good hair though. Good for him, very rock on core
>>44269186>alternative rainbow messI have yet to meet a single tranny who dresses like that
>>44262508people think gatekeeping was simply letting the most trutrans people access hrt, but gatekeepers were entirely aware people just lie their ass off so often it was entirely vibes based. like there were people who knew since 3 coming out and passing before hrt then getting gatekept lol. feel like whether you transitioned medically was genuinely pure luck and you kinda had to get lucky multiple separate times, most didn't >>44269133there were goth trannies in the 90s nona
>>44262816Hilarious
>>44269190funnily enough when twin peaks aired i couldn't tell and didn't even recognize it's fucking Mulder in a wig
>>44269133susans kinda disagrees at a glance>>44269206>gatekeepers were entirely aware people just lie their ass off so often it was entirely vibes based.am i right in thinking this essentially meant that the winning strategy was to just play to straight male imagination?
>>44262816all boymoders should be forced to wear leather patent caps
>>44262899me. how does one fix this deviation from their true path.
>>44269186sorry, autistic teenage boys
>>44269196Good for you, lucky. Mental illness must be rampant in Australia then.>>44269206The goth ones never pass and they don't do goth in a female way ywkim, they can't emulate women. I wasn't alive in the 90s or even born then LOL.>>44269236Crazy, my mum is obsessed with the twin peaks music tracks, I haven't watched it though.>>44269278What is "susans">>44269307Chuckled at that
>>44269448>in AustraliaI'm australian I live in fucken sydney where the hell are you
>>44269448>What is "susans"susansplace
>>44269462I would have thought it would be similar there??
>>44269471no... I saw a depressed looking boomerhon in a skirt on the metro once but that's it
>>44269477My university is clogged with them. They have messed up the women's bathrooms and left the toilet seats up and trashed them. It is so bad that there are fucking posters put up. They were in this group of 6-foot bio men wanting to be women blocking the elevators and all the girls had to squeeze past them. It was very creepy, especially since I am 5'3 and lots of the international students are even shorter and in an unfamiliar environment. I always think, what about the muslim girls who need to change their hijabs, need safe spaces, etc. How is it equitable if they are thrown under the bus for some man's validation? It isn't truly multicultural if you prioritise that over someone's background and culture
>>44269509>>My university is clogged with them. They have messed up the women's bathrooms and left the toilet seats up and trashed them.not to put this on you specifically, but last time i had to clean womens toilets for a living the absolute creatures that used them would leave used sanitary pads in the open and smeared faeces on the seats. meanwhile the mens was always clean save for the unfortunate stench of piss.
>>44269526Lucky you! They leave both seats up piss on there and paper on the floor. You can tell a man was there. That specifically is a male issue and clearly them.The ones that don't have both seats up are fairly clean unless there is a drop of piss on there. My highschool toilets were usually very clean apart from the odd bloody toilet with period blood unflushed. Tbhq, I felt bad for them because it was clearly young girls who didn't know what to do or nasty periods. Totally get it. Men leaving the seats up even though they are supposed to be "dysphoric" and "insecure in need of validation" doing the most masculine thing ever, not as much sympathy for that. Maybe as much as the family friend male guest in the house who left his undies on the floor of the bathroom
>>44269509I mean I've seen some twinkhons around the unis but I don't go to one so I couldn't tell you what it's like there. of those I've seen they were either in cis girl friend groups or pairs of two. besides that I guess they're all either moders or passoids
>>44269543fantastic. gotta love it. desu, i genuinely do not know what it is with most guys and the need to get piss everywhere. youd think they were the ones with poorer bladder control.
>>44269546Honestly, they tend to segregate themselves from other trans-identified males or from men in general. Trans-identified females still hang around in female groups. Like, all of my friend group are women except for one trans-identified female who isn't even on T. Come onnn, gotta be a sign.What WAS funny is that in club pics you don't see any TIMs in fashion clubs, choir, music, but they are on the front cover of the E-gaming club. I did laugh at that, even though it was a bit mean
>>44269566>they tend tothe honmoders anyway. the behavioural tendencies of municipal boymoders have yet to be studied, probably because they're all shut ins. any volunteers?
>>44269894i'll bite. my friend group is all cisms save for a couple of tranners being forcerepped by their parents. cis girls scare me.t. sydney boy?man?moder
>>44270024>all cismsspergs?>save for a couple of trannersstand users theory proven right once again
>>44270061>spergs?yea mostly. wdym stand users?
>>44270069>yeakek>wdym stand userstrannies are drawn to each other like stand users
>>44269509Your concerns about cleanliness are valid but fuck Islam and hijabs.
>>44270084oh lol
>>44262508She's serving Kate Bush
>>44269543 Extremism Most Americans stay away from extreme fighting. Most extremist end up in jail. Justice is blind to religion, race and sex Don't be an extremist
>>44270365are you retarded?
>>44270089I feel sorry for women indoctrinated in it. It is extremely patriarchal and oppresses them. At a sports class my mother and I do together, the door is locked because a muslim woman runs and hides if a man comes in. My mum thinks it is "cute" for some reason. Anyways, absolutely oppresses women, I mean the entire religion stems from a man who married an eight year old and had sex with them...
>>44269509>what about the muslim girls who need to change their hijabsThey can fuck off back to their shithole countries.>It isn't truly multicultural if you prioritise that over someone's background and cultureWho gives a shit?It's right and moral for the home culture to be prioritized over the backward bullshit of the third world.
>>44270711Racist, doesn't care about others and multiculturalism... jeez, you really are proving the cluster B stats on TIMs
>>44270720I'm not a tranny and islam is not a race.you really are proving that leftards are insane, though.
>>44270748You said you didn't give a shit about multiculturalism.
Did trannies boymode but still take HRT back then like they do today?
>>44270760multiculturalism is not by itself a good thing. nobody except the most retarded leftoids believe such an insane thing.also, multiculturalism doesn't exist at all in islamic nations, yet somehow non-mulism nations should just tolerate? neah, fuck that. you can't have multiculturalism coexist with a supremacist ideology like islam.
>>44270777boooooring
>>44262508Homophobic gay men and homophobic straight women faked being gay (with hired actors) and would get the necessary medications. Then they would drop their same sex partner and pretend to be "gay" once they get their "transition". Very evil homophobia, reminiscent of modern transbian/gayden homophobia.>>44270811Homophobic Muslim. Your shithole countries castrate and murder gay men. Stay the fuck out of my country if you want to be a barbaric animal.
>>44269084Thats what you took from it? Wild
>>44271215I just wanted to say "joe20" tbhon
>>44262508grandpa
>>44264893My reasons for wanting to be a woman seems simple and right for me. I was always the dumbest kid in school held back in classes and have a low IQ I am not very good at my own Survival and I always thought having a strong more masculine partner would help me.I've never been attracted to women and used to like the looks of girls but when they went to puberty, I lost my interest. I've never been really such attracted that much to anyone.As a woman it's easier to fake sexual attraction and please the lover. Besides I need somebody who's strong for me in life
>>44262816Would smash
>>44262508Oldhead thread
>>44262508Basically, imagine the shit zoomzooms and alphoids are calling literally Hitler and deliberate, active trannihilation out of genocidal intent.Now multiply it by about x1000.
>>44262816Lmao, completely malefailing, what is this
>>44264162This is literally textbook HSTS you're describing.
>>44268313whats the third movie lol
>>44267860>I assume some never passedDid you ever see a picture of knifehons like Marsha or Sylvia? Or like, even any given Susansposter? The reason that Jorgensen and that Bond girl whose name I can never remember keep getting memed so hard is that they were shocking exceptions to the 1960s nigga, HRT was barely understood and the vast majority of trans looked ragged af.Also nobody even knew about the possibility of a pooner
>>44268313>peauneuxlmao wtf
bump
the earliest I came out anywhere IRL was 2003, when I was 12. I have/had friends that came out in the 70s-90s though. If you have more specific questions I can try to answer them.
>>44278614how was getting on hrt for you and your friendshow easy was passinghow did you dresswho did you socialize withhow did your family take it
>>44278640Oh I'm FTM. probably relevant to you.>how was getting on hrt for you and your friendsI didn't. I didn't know anyone with extra T who was willing to take the risk. if my family had indicated they were the least bit supportive I'd have begged them, but they were not. I was outed at 16 and my life became hell. I instead prepared to start the moment I turned 18. I started the day after my birthday.any kind of medical transition was tricky back then. There was practically no trans care on health insurance. You could be kicked off insurance for "preexisting conditions," meaning basically anything including being trans. You were kicked off your parents' insurance at 18. The medical gatekeeping officially barred anyone the least bit gender nonconforming, gay, nonbinary, autistic, or with mental health issues. You needed years of therapy notes and a "real life test" to start. Then you'd have to live near a rare trans clinic or endo who could prescribe.Also, there were no workplace protections and many parents would throw you out if they knew. This meant a lot of people doing sex work (including living with shitty older partners basically acting as sugar daddies) and getting fired repeatedly from shitty service jobs, saving for years to pay for transition.DIY has definitely always been a thing for MTF HRT. When I was out, it was similar to now--often ordering off the internet.https://web.archive.org/web/20051231230851/http://www.tsroadmap.com/early/earlyindex.html^2005 DIY advice fromhttps://transsexual.org/mystory.htmlhttps://transsexual.org/letters.htmlJennifer Diane Reitz is fucking insane and can be quite judgmental and abrasive, but I think her website is an excellent time capsule for some earlier days of transness. It's also fiction, but I would suggest watching Pose, also. as someone who was out in a heavily black and brown trans social setting back then.
>>44278898very interesting, thank you
>how easy was passingI would say it was easier than now because cis people were oblivious and most of them didn't know any out trans people. you were courting a lot more violence if you were clocked though.I had about a 50/50 pass rate before I started HRT. Being black helped, lol.>how did you dressLike a little emo kid I guess. I would have been considered an Ayden or whatever if this community had been around back then. People constantly called me a dyke.>who did you socialize withI lost all my friends at the end of elementary school, when it became more obvious something was different about me. I was isolated and harshly bullied to the point that i decided coming out couldn't be much worse, so I came out everywhere but home when I got to high school.I had friends in high school but many of them treated me a bit like a joke, even if not in a malicious way. It was difficult to feel close to them. I had a partner for two years. It was a very unhealthy relationship even for a couple of teens. We made up many years later.I snuck over to the queer community center across the street a lot and ended up secretly volunteering over there. I came out freakishly young even for the 00s, so everyone was older than me and protective. I kept them at arms length emotionally and almost never integrated my work life with the rest of my life, as I planned on never coming out at home. Still, I was involved in volunteer work like that for years. I taught workshops, helped other people start GSAs, and campaigned for rights legislation. So even if I didn't feel like I was making normal friendships, I knew a lot of queer + trans people.
>>44262816>the life of a 1967 femboy
>how did your family take itI was outed to my family at 16. My mom threatened to kick me out, then started basically doing at-home conversion therapy on me every day at the same time. Mentally breaking me down, interrogating me, threatening. Broke into and threw out my stuff, called my teachers and therapist, vowed to never let me transition. I tried to kill myself after about a month of this and failed. After that she eased up more and more. When she saw I would clearly pass and other people didn't blame her, she made a complete 180 and became unrecognizable. She didn't remember any of that stuff by the time that she died.My dad just stopped calling. My grandparents were the only people who were immediately and unconditionally supportive. My grandfather said, "Okay, so what should I call you?" and then basically nailed the pronouns from then on. Told me I would make a very fine young man, etc. He wrote me a letter for after he died. Related his philosophy career to his thoughts on transness and dying. I think that saved me from being permanently and extremely distrustful of everyone.
>>44276963Oh I know I'm HSTS and I don't use it for bragging rights because I really wish I would have stayed a gay boy. I was a complete fool not to realize that when I was younger, now my life is ruined!
>>44278898>The medical gatekeeping officially barred anyone the least bit gender nonconforming, gay, nonbinary, autistic, or with mental health issues.This was better, BTW
>>44279872no it really was nothttps://taylormccue.itch.io/savingyou-unityhttps://taylormccue.itch.io/saving-you-from-yourself
>>44278898>PoseTop tier taste
>>44276997>that Bond girl whose name I can never rememberi have a video of her being interviewed, she talks about how she cant changed her ID documents
>>44279872>This was better, BTWI sure don't think so. First of all, we (including myself here as gay and gender nonconforming) transitioned anyway. We coached each other on getting through the hoops. Genderqueer/nonbinary people microdosed themselves, etc.Secondly, it's demonstrably a failure to ascertain who was really trans and who wasn't. Every single nonbinary friend, gay trans friend, butch trans woman, femme trans man, that I knew from back then stayed on their hormones, stayed themselves, and was happier for it.Thirdly, all the gatekeeping did was cause misery and open us up to rampant abuse from providers (because it was so hard to get the paperwork together). I got sexually assaulted by a therapist because I was terrified I would have to go through all the work again and lose another four years struggling to get the stamp. She knew that she had me over a barrel because she was the only one who would greenlight me and abused her power accordingly. It was extremely common for stuff like this to happen, especially to trans women.Fourthly, there was no benefit to it. If you think that was a good idea because blah blah AGP theyfabs bad optics, that is NOT why we are currently facing backlash from conservatives. That would have happened regardless.
>>44276997>>44279922>that Bond girl whose name I can never remember
>>44281916Sure, sure, this is the standard story. And yet back then 6"3 autistic gamerhons weren't trooning en masse. You can't deny this.The fact is that the trutrans coaching each other on how to subvert the gatekeeping was a feature, not a bug. Like you said, everyone who's actually trans and needed the treatment got it – and yet that was a fraction of the numbers trooning now, people who were all dissuaded from trooning by the mere existence of gatekeeping, or who never even caught on to the idea in the first place.
>>44270767that's what I want to know too, though in my case I really do feel like a gay boy spiritually who just ended up being trans.. did anyone ever do that? present as gay so people are like "oh that's why you're so feminine"jerry seinfeld voice "not that there's anything wrong with that"
>>44270767>>44282416female brained bottoms has been a thing forever and there have been historical anecdotes of people finding estrogen in nature like horse urine and pueraria mirifica so i would assume there were boymoders as soon as synthetic estrogen became available.
>>44282660>Evidence of the use of Pueraria mirifica can be identified as early as the 13th century written on palm leaves, and translated into English and published in 1931, with the instructions:[1][better source needed]>"To take the tuberous root of Pueraria with big leaves, pound and blend with cow's milk. The benefits of this medicine is to support memory, talk big, and be able to remember three books of the astrology, make the skin smooth like six year old kid, live more than 1,000 years and parasite diseases are not able to be of trouble."
>>44281958>Sure, sure, this is the standard story. And yet back then 6"3 autistic gamerhons weren't trooning en masse. You can't deny this. Nobody was trooning en masse. But yes, absolutely all the groups people complain about here were transitioning back then. There were PLENTY of tall, clocky computer science lesbians who liked shoujo and video games. Like, all over the community. I linked to one in my initial response. There were also plenty of nonbinary people.>The fact is that the trutrans coaching each other on how to subvert the gatekeeping was a feature, not a bug. Like you said, everyone who's actually trans and needed the treatment got it No that's not the case. Plenty of people didn't get it because they could not afford it or access a willing doctor, or they were misinformed about what trans people really were. usually the most vulnerable people. We helped each other, but that could not make up for such crushing systemic disadvantages, especially if someone was more isolated.Also, the people you are calling "trutrans" would never have been seen as such by many people here. I'm talking the theyest of theyfabs. the most malebrained of women and fembrained of men. Super autistic transbians in stockings with magical girl figurines. We coached each other regardless, and there was very little transition regret regardless.I don't blame you for this, but you have a warped view of what things were like back then. It's similar to when I see people here say "transsexual" to hearken back to a day of masculine trutrans men and feminine trutrans women. Genderqueer/nonbinary people could also easily be transsexual back then, at least as the term was used within trans community. For the most part it just meant physically dysphoric and/or physically transitioned. The current use is a retcon, squishing limited info about the past into a framework to make people who don't like the present comfortable.
>yet that was a fraction of the numbers trooning now, people who were all dissuaded from trooning by the mere existence of gatekeeping, or who never even caught on to the idea in the first place.The people who were dissuaded or kept from that info were trans people. They just went on to waste years and decades of their lives, alcoholic, suicidal, self injuring, having abusive marriages, making kids they couldn't fully be there for. The same way that there was a huge, hidden percentage of gay and bi people in the 50s and 60s, but instead of coming out they lived miserable, harmful lives that also harmed other people. It is good for society that trans people be allowed access to information and transition.
All the trannies I knew in the 2000s were way more feminine and well adjusted and outright normal. I pine to go back all the time.
>>44282660huh I thought the phrase female brained bottoms was just some random anon rant thing here, but I guess it applies to me lolI've definitely heard about the horse urine thing but the pueraria mirifica thing is good to know too>>44282736I wish more people would talk about the existence of nonbinary people before 2010s, I love that classic transsexualism really was whatever you wanted to make of it and I feel that way about it now. You shouldn't have to pigeonhole yourself into being another gender if you don't feel like it really works for you and you should be able to adjust your body to suit your needs. The future is now despite the current political climate.
>>44281958autogynes are very, very visible among older trannies
>>44281958Dr. Powers:>the edgy goth and emo kids got into the trans subculture
>>44282667>make the skin smooth like six year old kid, live more than 1,000 yearsEstrogen keeps you young
>>44283286imagine homebrew pueraria mirifica farmers in 1350 AD. probably some 60 year old fella who looks 30 claiming to be a 300 years old for fun
>>44282736>There were PLENTY of tall, clocky computer science lesbians who liked shoujo and video games. Like, all over the community.Disagree. IDK where you werre of course but this definitely wasn't the case where I was. You'd hear stories of SOME, but don't tell me it wouldn't have been better if Jennifer Diane Reitz had been prevented from trooning.
>>44283048Of course they were, nobody's denying that AGP was a fixture of the landscape back then – Blanchard's whole typology came from observing oldtroons from back in the day. But despite /tttt/ stereotype, a jeep isn't a bald programmerhon who plays Battletech or a big hairy ogre who beats up shorties in the women's division of HEMA, it's definitionally a sexual fetish. AGPs are those who are fetishistically motivated transitioners and experience dysphoria as a consequence. (HSTS are those who are opportunistic transitioners – gay men so flaming it's just easier to be a woman – and do not expereince dysphoria. According to Blanchard that is)
>>44282416>I really do feel like a gay boy spiritually who just ended up being trans.. did anyone ever do that?As above, that's literally what a HSTS is.
>>44283691I fucking love that this has actually happend in the past
>>44282831>I love that classic transsexualism really was whatever you wanted to make of it and I feel that way about it now. You shouldn't have to pigeonhole yourself into being another gender if you don't feel like it really works for youWorth noting that to whatever degree it was happening all this was entirely internal to the trans subculture of the time. To the medical system it was 100% a question of "women in men's bodies and we have to skrungle their male flesh into a female shape but this should only be done in those cases where the patient can show an absolutely stereotypical femalebrained mindset so we know there's no mistake", this is why coaching was necessary. Some medical professionals were more or less secretly sympathetic depending on where you were but on a systemic level every effort was made to prevent people from learning the "correct" answers by rote, coaching, and otherwise helping each other cheat the system. The slightest amount of malebrain detected could spell massive delays or outright ejection from the pipeline, this happened to several people I knew more or less well, e.g. if you just wore a dress and heels to the appointment they could unironically perma-reject you for being too wobbly in the heels because they realized you weren't used to walking in them. (And to be clear, this type of shit was expected BEFORE you got HRT.)
>>44284057>HSTS are those who are opportunistic transitioners – gay men so flaming it's just easier to be a woman – and do not expereince dysphoria.this doesnt exist in the west today. only in iran. this type remains male today (see james charles)
>>44284143yeah I prefer the more woke approach to getting HRT now, it was definitely a life saver for me no matter how I identify... because at the end of the day I'm still trans and I need the medicine for itconforming to roles of the opposite sex is fucking stupid I'm glad they did away with that like what do they give testosterone to women that didn't entirely conform to being their gender? it hurts to hear about
>>44284163>this type remains male today (see james charles)Arguably. I'm describing the Blanchard typology as it was actually conceived of in that post, not my own views.
>>44284071I did experience dysphoria is the thing though, doesn't mean I gotta be a woman about it
>>44284451Yeah the thing about only jeeps having dysphoria is the most obviously wrong thing about the typology tb h, like I can believe that most nondysphorics are HSTS and the two clusters are obviously *more or less* real but it's also extremely hard to deny the existence of Toob-style nondysphoric AGPs for example (reminder that Toob claims dysphoria literally does not exist).
>>44284442ah sorry, its totally accurate then
>>44270777>you can't have multiculturalism coexist with a supremacist ideology like islamTrips of boring culture war shit confirmed. The big concern among militant Islamists is that people will move to where the money and opportunities are, then get used to the freedoms they call degeneracy.
>>44284004>Disagree. IDK where you werre of course but this definitely wasn't the case where I was.Northern California. I worked with people all over the state and sometimes country though.>You'd hear stories of SOME, but don't tell me it wouldn't have been better if Jennifer Diane Reitz had been prevented from trooning.I think this may be the second time you've done a seemingly obvious "don't tell me--" and I have completely disagreed. Yes, I am telling you I prefer to live in a world where people transition rather than kill themselves or live worse lives. Jennifer Diane Reitz definitely included. I also appreciated much of her website.>>44282831>I love that classic transsexualism really was whatever you wanted to make of it and I feel that way about it nowMm, more that being a transsexual was covered by transitioning, even if you were not binary.To a doctor, or anyone within reach of getting their viewpoint published, however, it was very different, though. Most of them had beliefs of the kind that are echoed here. Only hot, binary, gender-conforming heterosexuals, ideally willing to live in deep stealth forever were transsexuals, should be allowed to be transsexuals.
>>44284813those doctors were so evil I swear, I'm truly grateful for everything we have today in terms of getting trans healthcare.. at least in California where I am too
>>44284813>Northern California.Okay well can you admit that that was and is not a representative region for trans rights? Unless you're like a hundred years old and reminiscing about the 1950s I guess, back then it was a pretty conservative area.
>>44284813>I also appreciated much of her website.pic related, what part? Her not-that-compact optics nuke Pastel Defender Heliotrope? Her cartoon about her skiz delusions of supernatural events occurring in her life?
>>44284770nigga islamists move to where the money isthe Taliban are british and australian educated.get your head out of your ass for once.
>>44269448go back faggot
>>44262508oldfag here, not a troon but i can maybe give you some insight of how things were back thenso, troons weren't really well known or recognized by people, and in general people didn't really care or would just think you are a weird fag and not think anything else about itpeople were also more homophobic and outright mean about these things, so my trans friends back then would just never talk about it ever in public, etcstealthing was the norm, or more people would try to stealth out of fear, if you were a obvious hon you would get hate crimed unironicallysissy types were more commonavailability of information, resources and surgeries, and even community basically did not exist, or were extremely fringeobviously trans people existed back then but yeah, like i said nowhere near as visible as they are today, like even now trans people are a very small community something like 2% of the global populationassuming you live in a civilized part of the world things are much better now overall
>>44286106>even now trans people are a very small community something like 2% of the global populationNigga all LGBT people in total are about 2% of the global population.
>>44286532>Nigga all LGBT people in total are about 2% of the global population6%
>>44286532>mad about some stat im using as an example for a talking point and you're just outright wrong>>>/trash/go back there
>>44286600No, 2%Only the US gets a figure of 6% and that's due either to extremely flawed methodology or to LGBT people from the third world preferentially emigrating to the US when they flee their shithole countries of origin. Or, actually it could also be due to chemicals in the water supply that are turning the frickin' frogs gay, which are illegal in the rest of the developed world. Either way the figure is vastly inflated, for example the 2011 British census indicated that 1.4% of bongs are LGBT and that's likely to be a more accurate figure than newer data which is both based on smaller sample groups and confounded by the teenage girl trend for calling themselves nonbinary and/or bisexual.
>>44286700British census>please tell us your gender identity :)British government >we are going to hunt down and eliminate all trans people
>>44286768Back in 2011 it wasn't like that at all, the Conservatives had just legalized gay marriage with 80+% support and the big gay orgs, notably Stonewall, had not yet pivoted to tranny activism (this happened in 2012; their board had a meeting to decide whether to sunset the organization or switch focus and picked the wrong one), precipitating the backlash bongs are livng in now. In 2011 the future looked rosy for the LGBT and they had no obvious enemies in Bongland.
>>44287231>they had no obvious enemies in Bongland.Goodwin had to force the government to pass the Gender Recognition Act. The establishment never forgave us, and bided their time
>>44284057yes, but then these dysphorics open their mouths and what leaves in spite of the best efforts of the doctors of their time is the most stereotypically fruity bi boy bs you ever heard. trutrans my ass.>>44284163you are a straggot tool or a coping gay boy if you think obligate transsexuals went away. this is rob halford in his early 20s, clearly they were not getting all of us even back in the peak of this.
>>44287894idrk wym, im just saying there is no pure hsts, they have to have at least some agp to be motivated to transition or they would just remain gay males. in iran they would be killed so its different and in the past it was illegal to be gay. i looked up rob halford and he went bald with a beard meaning hes not dysphoric/agp? thats how cis gays age
>>44262508Huh I dated a girl that looked pretty much just like this.
>>44287982you would benefit from reading the papers on ODSC>i looked up rob halfordjesus christ
>>44262816This is my generation of transgender people
>>44262508It was ok
>>44262508it sucked
>>44287894>this is rob halford in his early 20sHe just looks English tb h
>>44288277>Anon is a hundred years old
>>4428925910/10 face read
>>44270711Right now the home culture hates trannies
>>44289296How many trannies or fags have been thrown off of rooftops or murdered in Australia in 2026? How many trannies or fags are in prison in Australia BECAUSE they're trannies or fags?Cut the crap with this false equivalence. You're wrong and you know it.
>>44289331What I'm saying is if we were actually prioritising our own culture we'd be kicking trannies out of the women's toilets anyway.
>>44289338no, because that would mean yielding to the negging of foids. And that's always a bad thing.Until men-only rigid spaces are not just restored, but actively guarded against ridiculous lawfare, nothing should be ceded to foids at all.Also, in Australia, Tickle v Diggle established that no, in fact you don't get to exclude trannies from anything. Don't be a third worlder and observe the rule of law, chud!
>>44289702>>44289702I'm not Australian and I don't have to respect your degenerate convict law
>>44289734I'm not australian either but the conversation is about australia. The conversation you intervened in starts here:>>44269462>>44269509not my fault you don't know how to use an image board.>degenerate convict lawall angloid law is degenerate so, there's that.
>>44288176what papers?>jesus christwhat did i do wrong?
>>44290029>what papers?google it?>what did i do wrong?not knowing who rob halford is. youre posting on /lgbt/ and you somehow do not know about the gay twink to leatherdaddy who made the very genre of BNWOHM gay.
>>44262816First I was, "that's a high-passing mtf", then I figured out it's just some cunt of a woman that don't like to dress girly and it's too deep on her own ass with rhetoric
>>44262508Okay I'm from the distant past. Why did you popularize my mental illness? I'm a true transsexual. It is a true mental illness, diagnosed by a psychiatrist.
>>44290365bipolar got kinda cringe so i had to switch
>>44290420No matter what evidence I still believe I'm a genetic woman. I cannot survive without holding this belief. I could pass any lie detector stating I am a biological woman
>>44289338>we'd be kicking trannies out of the women's toilets anywayNot possible, butch cis women are getting shit left right and centre in the UK. Lucky for me im AGP as fuck and only whoremode, but any woman with short hair is fucked
>>44290521No matter what, they do not think they're men and shouldn't be in the women's restroom because of it
>>44290598>they do not thinkAccurate
>>44290598Terfs are an extremely small minority. Like ridiculously tiny.You couldn't fill two buses with all the terfs in all of the UK. Women are concerned with domestic violence, street violence, access to shelters, support with abuse. Stopping a trans woman from having a wee or getting helped after being brutally raped is at the extreme bottom of the list.
>>44290693when I transition there was no such thing as terfs. There was very little feminism, let alone, the radical exclusionary feminism
>>44263655Ah yes, the UK, the most conservative country in the world
>>44290732Yeah there was, the terfs have been around since the 1970s, you dont even know who germaine greer is
>>44290835>the most conservative country in the worldThe most neurotic in the world, yes
>>44285245>pic related, what part? Her not-that-compact optics nuke Pastel Defender Heliotrope? Her cartoon about her skiz delusions of supernatural events occurring in her life?Optics nuke? In the 00s? you're out of your mind. a) There was no defending us in the public eye back then. we were not human. b) no cis person knew about Jennifer Diane Reitz or the trans internet. People's knowledge of transness came from Jerry Springer.What I valued is that she discussed what being trans was and struggling to come out and transition even with extremely rejecting parents and the difficulty of medical access. She also talked about being gay/bi and trans, including in her "letters" section, something that was hard to find in print media. Also she had good, if wordy, analysis of crabs-in-a-bucket mentality and internalized transphobia within the community.none of this changes that I think it was good for her to transition. >>44285219>Okay well can you admit that that was and is not a representative region for trans rights? Unless you're like a hundred years old and reminiscing about the 1950s I guess, back then it was a pretty conservative area.Sure. I was extremely lucky. I'm glad I wasn't elsewhere. I was still beaten, sexually assaulted, etc, and once again, my knowledge of how things were for trans people also comes from people I worked with, nationally.
>>44291253Oh I knew she is weird she wrote the book the female eunuch I believe? Yeah I read her after I had transitioned. I transitioned before anyone else on this board
>>44291402shes also rather famously a pedophile and explicitly advocated for "women the right to appreciate the short-lived beauty of boys, real boys, not simpering 30 year olds with shaved chests". other amazing quotes from her are "a woman of taste is a pederast- boys rather than men" and "he has to be old enough to be capable of sexual response but not yet old enough to shave. this window of opportunity is not only narrow, it is mostly illegal".
>>44291376>Her not-that-compact optics nuke Pastel Defender Heliotrope? Her cartoon about her skiz delusions of supernatural events occurring in her life?>Optics nuke? In the 00s? you're out of your mind. a) There was no defending us in the public eye back then. we were not human. b) no cis person knew about Jennifer Diane ReitzThe people who read the Bad Webcomics pages certainly knew about that insane shitpile.
>>44291402She was hounded out of Australia because terfism is equivalent to nazism there lol
>>44291376>Optics nuke? In the 00s? you're out of your mindAnon, it's still available on the internet NOW. It's an optics nuke that's continuously detonating, it's so goddamn overtly mentally ill that it becomes funny, then shoots right past funny back into unsettling and disturbing, like fucking Magellan circumnavigating the Earth but getting beaten to death three-quarters of the way around.
If they tried to take the lsat, the admin would lower their 179 to a 160.
>>44297376They would murder em and say “yes makes sense a fag tricking me i would kill it too yer free to go”
back in the 90si was in a very famoustee vee show
>>44291376I haven't replied in this thread yet, I'm only 25 and actually haven't even socially transitioned (I was on E for like 7 months in 2024, then a bit this year and then had an injection a few days ago?) but I really like this kind of thread and I really liked all your posts here. Might reply to some more stuff later but I just wanted to say this
trannies were called transvestites and seeing one in public everyone would point and laugh. i remember feeling bad
>>44297623>seeing one in public everyone would point and laughNothings changed...
>>44297679grim
>>44297623>i remember feeling badIts a horrible feeling. The fact you remember all these years later.Today 3 men walked pasted me, one said THATS A MAN and they ran off.
>>44297748yeah it was the early 2000s and i was a little kid but it was my first exposure to one and i remember turning to look and not understanding why it was a big dealgrown men acting like that is crazy. thats sad
>>44262508Well for 1 trans didn't insult all women calling them birthing persons and claiming to go trough what they go trough with pregnancy and periods. Yall stay confusing your kids from Day 1 MEN CAN'T GET PREGNANT MEN DON'T BLEED. birthing person = FEMALE = A WOMEN ya'll clowns now days don't know how to respect a women, go tell your mother that
>>44297861>grown men acting like that is crazy. thats sadI thought i looked very pretty as well. I block it all out mentally. It reminds me never to trust men, they're not good creatures.You dont have heart in your heart, thats why you didnt see anything to laugh at.
>>44297623Like last year I was on the tram and I saw I think British or Northern European (couldn't tell what language they were speaking, I'm in the US) harassing a trans woman with hairy legs (she didn't seem "Jeepy" at all, not that that matters). I was with my dad and I didn't say anything, neither did the few other passengers
>>44297861>grown men acting like that is crazy. thats sadYou mean the trannies, or the bullies?
