Take your HRT, retard.

do not rape your body with testosterone. the other poster is malicious.

>>44869033
>AGP thing
>gay porn

>>44869154
I don't know what the woman to Man variant is called, same shit

Coke sniff my pits and let's bro out, bro

>>44869183
Nta there isn't a real equivalent because the fake white guy words are barely even real concepts outside of 4chan

take your tshots moron

>>44869033
You are being a normal straight women. You just have an excess in straightness. You have to become more gay and maybe it will cause "cis AGP" (attraction to self as a woman) and that would fix your dysphoria.
In addition, what alternative treatments have you tried? Therapy? Antipsychotics? Got your hormones tested? No PCOS/PMOS? Are you physically active and have no deficiencies in minerals and vitamins? Have you tried to make yourself sleep with a guy, are you sure you actually find them attractive or just the abstraction of porn and its narratives?

>>44869183
>>44869267
its AHE- autohomoeroticism. the ftm equivalent of AGP but its more arousal at the thought of being in a gay relationship than having your own body be male.

>>44869183
AAP, autoandrophile

>>44869341
>You have to become more gay and maybe it will cause "cis AGP"
Now this is the thing: I actually occasionally had fantasies of myself as a woman, but as a woman with a penis, because of this damn board. It didn't help at all, because it was just some strange sexual thing, and I still dislike normal woman-me. I don't see normal woman-me as something sexual whatsoever, it doesn't turn me on. When I imagine sex, I don't even imagine myself as myself, I imagine myself as someone else. No, I never went to therapy. I have no deficiencies though, I check these often because I actually have a chronic illness which requires me to do so (nothing mental, it's an autoimmune disease). I had sex with two guys before and I was attracted to both of them, but I can't exactly call it a success. The first guy couldn't get it up at all, so... well, if I actually look at it, that probably didn't even count as sex, because we wanted to, but he couldn't get it up, even though I sucked his cock like a lollipop. The second guy did get it up, really fast, but he came like one second in, inside me, and then didn't help me get off, which was the most unsatisfying thing I have ever experienced. I also feel like if I had a dick, sex would be a lot more satisfying, because I could just rub one out and the penis seems to actually make the person feel good. I mean there must be a whole reason why MtFs sometimes pride themselves on their cocks and how it makes them better than cis women. They might be right. And yeah, the fantasy of porn, specifically gay porn, gets me off way more than the two attempts at sex I had IRL. Straight porn is boring to me, it feels fake or exaggerated. Maybe gay porn is exaggerated as well, but it doesn't feel so to me for some reason.

>>44869417
I do like to imagine that, but I also definitely would like to have a penis

>>44869033
we call it AAP typically but
do you think we like being AGP? like it is what it is, if we knew how to get rid of this shit we wouldn't be here

>>44869576
Probably not. I don't like the way I am either. But I still think they might be a mental solution to it in some ways, like I can just force myself to somehow enjoy what I am

>>44869594
Then go get a boyfriend, you dunce

>>44869594
if a mental solution exists, the site filled with self-hating trannies is the last place you'll find it I'm afraid

>>44869606
It's not that easy to get a boyfriend tho? And my first two attempts were a total disaster. The first one was a /pol/tard, which well, technically he was really sweet, but he was a bit too pushy, his politics were annoying, and he couldn't get his dick up. The other one was a Chinese student and he just used me because I was "exotic", but secretly had a on-off relationship with some Chinese girl while we were dating, like bruh

>>44869625
It isn't though, because everyone here wants to be what I am and don't want to be, so I can try and get in their mindset to like what I am. Juat somehow need to drop the penis fantasy part.

>>44869033
You sound like my wife. If me and my wife hadn't met, we both would've ended up depressed troons.
Like you, she's super AAP and prefers gay porn. I'm AGP and bi. None of us would pass as the opposite sex realistically (I'm a tad bit too tall and she's way too foided) so we did the adult thing and adopted the next best thing.
After we had our kids, she got into microdosing T to keep the horny up and get a tad bit more oily skin and I got into feminizing myself. Then we got really close to another bi straight couple (they also have kids so socially it works out really well).
My wife sometimes fucks his wife to keep her AAP satiated. And she routinely watches as I'm fucked. We all get a bit of what we want.
But to do this you need not only to be an adult yourself, but to also find a compatible partner who is also an adult.
But its worth a shot!

>>44869651
I don't get why you mentioned the adult part when I already said im 25, do I sound like a kid? Oh well, whatever. Also, I guess dating a agp guy who is in similar situation as me is probably the best solution, but I wouldn't know how one even finds a person like that. I don't see anyone openely admitting stuff like this. Did you met your wife on /lgbt/ or what?

>>44869651
>After we had our kids, she got into microdosing T to keep the horny up and get a tad bit more oily skin and I got into feminizing myself. Then we got really close to another bi straight couple (they also have kids so socially it works out really well).
>My wife sometimes fucks his wife to keep her AAP satiated. And she routinely watches as I'm fucked. We all get a bit of what we want.
Holy shit that's kind of cool. How did you bring it up with the other couple? And how did you meet them to begin with, it seems like a rare combination to find in the wild...

>>44869643
if only, I'm afraid that's about as realistic as "just don't be gay" or something
like the same should work in inverse, I should just enjoy my dick like you would. Yet no amount of coping has really changed that it feels foreign to me, if anything I've just felt worse

>>44869704
I think we should exchange bodies

>>44869714
swap *

>>44869723
sure, I've ruined it a bit for you already though

>>44869748
That's fine, i don't mind as long as the cock is still working

>>44869758
no guarantee, strong maybe if you let the testosterone kick in

>>44869517
>I don't see normal woman-me as something sexual whatsoever, it doesn't turn me on. When I imagine sex, I don't even imagine myself as myself, I imagine myself as someone else.
Can you make yourself imagine yourself as someone else 24/7 and just treat your body as a means to keep that imagination alive? And then just imagine that someone else piloting it, as if they are playing some kind of cis woman simulator. And the kind of person to play that kind of game would sexualize the player character, right? And they wouldn't feel like it is their own body since it is just a game, so they would do things that accentuate it, like wearing revealing clothes or making the character get with men and compare and contrast the body. So that is how you could try to make yourself feel more okay with your irreversibly foided body, you could try to learn to fetishize it from 3rd person PoV.
>They might be right. And yeah, the fantasy of porn, specifically gay porn, gets me off way more than the two attempts at sex I had IRL. Straight porn is boring to me, it feels fake or exaggerated. Maybe gay porn is exaggerated as well, but it doesn't feel so to me for some reason.
Gay porn is just as fake. lot of actors are straight. And there is so much preparation involved that isn't shown, just like with straight porn.

>>44869033
>im already 25, it's too late
bro if you get on T chances are you'll be able to grow a beard and pass to 99% of people, if you do wanna transition you'll be fine

>>44869673
>do I sound like a kid?
Kinda. I mean no offense, but calling yourself a freak based on what others think is very teenagey.
Still, I meant adult in a more broader sense. An adult mind accepts trade-offs and doesn't ruminate excessively on why things can't be like we'd want them to be. Plenty of AGPs either never reach that stage or reach it way after the age of 18 (or 30 in many cases) and the same is lowk true for AAPs as well from what my wife tells me. She keeps contact with a few AAP girls and the stories I hear are not too different from depressed trannies.
>how one even finds a person like that
Luck plays a huge part, unfortunately.
>Did you met your wife on /lgbt/ or what?
No. Fetliffe.

>>44869673
>I don't get why you mentioned the adult part when I already said im 25, do I sound like a kid?
nta, I assume that he meant that adults usually make do with what they have without disturbing the rest of the society. Like in his situation, neither he nor his wife could pass as cis of the opposite gender, so they stayed their own gender and did the least socially disruptive thing available to them: straight marriage.

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>>44869033
take your HRT, retard

>>44869700
>How did you bring it up with the other couple?
I knew the guy since before either of us were married. It was easier once he told me his wife is more similar to mine.
>>44869911
>socially disruptive
This wasn't a concern. It's a welcomed byproduct but our biggest concern was that we wanted children but also wanted to scratch our very deep itch.
Being a tranny parent is doable, but hard mode. And neither of us are cut for that (not just physically lol). But being repressoid parents was also not quite a future we'd look forward to.
So instead I'm the unusually young looking dad and she's the butch dyke masc mother.
It helped that we moved into my hometown where I was always known as weird and fem. So it's no shock to anyone that my wife is also weird and gender non-conforming.

>>44870892
>This wasn't a concern.
Oh, sorry for the assumption. I'm just used to this being the reasoning of people who usually suggest heterosexual poonreppers to do this lifestyle. I guess today I have received a lesson in not assuming what people imply.
>but our biggest concern was that we wanted children but also wanted to scratch our very deep itch.
That makes sense, thanks for explanation.

>>44871786
No need to apologize, lol.
I certainly make it sound that it was more cynically calculated than it actually was. It was more like "shit, we both wish we were the other sex, how tf do we make this work?" - and then slowly worked from there.
While she was pregnant with our first, we spent an inordinate amount of time studying endocrinology and how to DiY.
Someone deeply versed in the queer spaces would definitely clock both of us as some form of troons for sure. But most people don't care and don't know much. They see two parents with odd looks raising their children. So from that perspective you got it right with the "not disturbing the rest of the society" part, though occasionally I do hear stuff like "he's a flaming faggot yet somehow has a wife and kids, the world has gone mad" from very old people. Oh well, cant please everyone.