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>>45303121
so your cock just unraveled or something

>>45303121
lemme lick it up

Your forearm flesh was sacrificed and your soul is now permanently chained to the surgeon's circle. YOU WERE USED UP.

>>45303121
damn poons arent beating the caricatures

I saw ts pic on debordy

>>45303687
The fuck is debordy

>>45304325
see >>45281442

Who's the guy on the left?

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>>45304366
Ferdinard Lassalle, best known for being called a "jewish nigger" by Marx once and being a socdem.

>>45304330
oh my god why do commies hate independent artists so much? You'd swear that small businesses killed their grandma or something. Getting rid of billionaires isn't enough for them. These freaks won't stop until they take away everyones freedom and we all live in a planned society where our lives are managed and chosen for us like drones. Money has existed forever and people will always want to make things to get stuff and hoard things of value. If people had more freedom to choose they'd still choose to do this to some extent. It's in our nature.

lol why is this board full of weird commies from reddit now?

>>45304374
Do note this was in a private letter to Engels. After he had told Marx to pimp his daughter out so that he'd stop being so broke.

>>45304375
Marxists hate independent artists because they hate anyone who’s not a “proletarian” (wage labourer), basically. In their scheme, independent artists are “petit bourgeoisie” and therefore their enemies. The goal of their movement is literally to establish a “dictatorship of the proletariat”. I am not making this up

>>45304391
Like, they want to oppress every other class and they are quite explicit about this in their writings. Ghouls

>>45304391
They literally want a dictatorship. They see North Korea and act like it's a good thing

>>45304403
Yes, exactly.

>>45304374
lmao why did he call Lassalle that?

>>45304411
See >>45304385

>>45304416
This doesn’t answer the question at all. It’s clear that Marx was upset at Lassalle for some reason. What was the reason? Was it a political disagreement? Also why the racial remarks? Was Marx an anti-Semite?
(Apologies … I am a philistine. I only read science fiction, nothing about history or politics.)

>>45303121
are they going to cut your pp off?

>>45304416
>>45304422
Wait I’m retarded. Lassalle told Marx to pimp out his daughter, not Engels. Right?
OK, but my questions about the racial stuff still stand.

>>45304422
Can you read? Lassalle told his broke ass to pimp out his daughter as an insult to him for being broke and to disrespect his daughter. This obviously infuriated marx enough to shit talk him. Plus I think they were political rivals with opposing views.

>>45304430
Right, I got that. But why did Marx have to be racist about it

>>45304437
Not being moralistic here btw. Genuinely curious about Marx’s views on race and the historical context now

>>45304437
Marx was kind of an edgelord. When you learn about his personal life you realize he was like modern autistic terminally online neets.

>>45304437
he was the original dirtbag leftist

>>45304447
Yeah. I’ve read that he didn’t follow a daily routine. Like he would just sleep whenever. And he would laze about for weeks and then suddenly write fervently for days. This is according to the account of a spy who observed his habits. Dude probably had ADHD or something. lmao

>>45304447
>>45304452
Ok but like was Marx actually racist or what

>>45304458
no, unless you mean the modern definition where using a slur makes you a klansman. looking past his few usages of slurs he had a sort of paternalistic view of other races but as less developed but moreso from their material circumstance and not because god made the white man to rule supreme. He wrote a letter to Lincoln to congratulate him for his war on slavery for example.

>>45304483
Ah OK. I looked it up and the impression I get is that Marx and Engels were not especially racist for white European freemen of their century

>>45304491
pretty much yeah, they had views which certainly can be seen as problematic by modern reckoning, but for the time they were woke SJWs. It's impossible to consistently apply histomat and come out thinking white people are some inherently supreme race, at worst you would end up with white man's burden type of racism.

>>45304498
stop reading bordiga and get a job

>>45304508
don't ever fucking call me a leftcom again

>>45304498
Right, of course. Now that you mention it, it doesn't make sense to assume that Marx and Engels would've believed in historically unchanging racial characters. (I didn't think about it because, again, I'm a philistine)

>>45303121
Op is your dick ok? If it is please rape me

OoOOooooooo my forearm skin is erupting at my sewn cunny opening oooooo

>>45304391
>>45304375

Oh my god stop moralfagging you retards. Being bourgeois or petit bourgeois is not a morally bad thing in Marxism, and pointing out the class position of a self employed artist is not a moral statement on said artist. We do not hate people merely for their class position, because that’s retarded.

Small business owners, while not having the power of a haute bourgeois, still engages in exploitation, oftentimes to a worse degree. Look at how badly many small business owners treat their employees. And the petit bourgeoisie in general, both petty producers and small business owners, often find themselves in a reactionary position in opposition to the proletariat. The petit bourgeois were one of the main legs of the fascist movements of the 20th century. They are more focused on preserving their class position usually, and this puts them in an oppositional position.

Just curious, what “freedoms” will the communists take away from you? The freedom to be a petty producer? To employ others? Of course, you are going off of the bourgeois notion of “freedom” because you are mindraped by bourgeois ideology. Of course, your perception of communism is when “everyone is a drone and your lives are managed and chosen for you”. Not only is this not what a communist society would be, but this actually describes bourgeois society quite well to a degree.

>>45304400
Yes we want to oppress other classes, what of it? We already live in an oppressive class society, whereby the proletariat is oppressed by the bourgeoisie, but you think it’s “ghoulish” to oppress the bourgeoisie in return? This is why you are a cuck.

>>45304403
More denierfag nonsense. North Korea is falsifierhell, only MLoids like dickriding it. Do you hear the term “dictatorship of the proletariat” and think it means a personal dictatorship? Where one big scary leader has control over everything?

Do you know what a worker council is?

Deniercucks really are subhuman.

>>45306880
Why do you hate independent artists? What did they ever do to you?

>>45306880
>Oh my god stop moralfagging you retards.
You oppose "moralfagging" because you are self-consciously evil.
>Being bourgeois or petit bourgeois is not a morally bad thing in Marxism
Straight-up denying basic elements of your own ideology right out of the gate. Off to a great start I see
>pointing out the class position of a self employed artist is not a moral statement on said artist
It is when the speaker’s ideology assigns a negative value to said class position, as you later do in your own post.
>We do not hate people merely for their class position
Yes, you do.
>Just curious, what “freedoms” will the communists take away from you?
If communists had their way, they would take away my bodily autonomy, because that's liberalism and communists hate that. Thankfully this will not happen because communists in my country are not organized enough to ever successfully overthrow the status quo.
>Yes we want to oppress other classes, what of it?
I don't know how to talk you out of wanting to oppress people. You seem sociopathic, sadistic, even, and immune to rhetoric.
>you think it’s “ghoulish” to oppress the bourgeoisie in return?
Yes, I do, because I oppose all oppression. Two wrongs don't make a right. You want revenge, not justice.

>>45307052
>erm you don't actually believe any of that stuff you said you believe, you believe the things i think you believe because of a buzzword title i gave you!

You think I'm stupid, don't you? You think I can't tell when someone is misrepresenting their own views for rhetorical purposes. You think that I think that Marxists are unable or unwilling to lie. Well, you're mistaken.

>>45306933
Where did I say I hate independent artists? I don't. Did you even read what I said?

Someone being petit bourgeois does not make them morally bad. It does not mean they are an evil that needs destroying. However, the issue with many small independent artists, alongside the rest of the petit bourgeoisie, is that they face the constant threat of being thrown into the proletariat by the haute bourgeoisie. While a petit bourgeois can be a class ally to the proletariat, owing to their knowledge of the inevitable transition to becoming a proletarian, they can also be an antagonist to the proletariat, whereby they try to maintain their class position.

This is one of the main ways that fascism was able to rise to power. The petit bourgeoisie in germany for example was the backbone of support for the nazi party. The german proletariet was more largely in support of parties like the spd and kpd.

The petit bourgeoisie is often focused on political causes that will support their interests, or will not directly impact them. For example small independent artists typically are primarily focused on AI, since it displaces their class position, but their focuses don't go far beyond that, aside from maybe some other causes that don't affect their class position, such as support for palestine.

But beyond that, what will the independent artist advocate for which is not in their direct interests? The abolition of class society is absolutely in the proletariats best interests, and while its not necessarily not in the petit bourgeoisies interests, its much harder to make them understand this fact. An independent artist can still develop class consciousness, but its harder to turn an independent artist class conscious than it is a proletarian.

>>45307192
That’s a lot of words for “I view independent artists as potential enemies”.

>falling for most obvious ragebait ever
and we wonder how feds are able to kill leftist orgs so easily

In the Soviet Union, many transsexuals were diagnosed with schizophrenia and imprisoned on psychiatric wards.
In red China today, transsexuals often DIY their hormones because getting a prescription for HRT requires parental consent, even for adults. Yes, really.
Why should transsexuals endorse an ideology that leads to the creation of states that oppress them?

>>45307235
>Any criticism of my evil ideology is MUH RAGEBAIT!

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>>45307278
>I don't have any arguments, so I'm going to resort to name-calling!

>>45307052

>Straight-up denying basic elements of your own ideology right out of the gate. Off to a great start I see
Being bourgeois is quite literally not a morally bad thing, marxism is not moralistic, you do know that engels himself was a member of the bourgeoisie, right?
>It is when the speaker’s ideology assigns a negative value to said class position, as you later do in your own post.
Pointing out a negative value is not a moral statement. If I point out that a lion caused suffering to a gazelle, this is not a moral statement about how the lion is evil.
>Yes you do hate people for their class position
"Now you said you believe this but this CANT be true because ... it just isnt, ok?"
>I don't know how to talk you out of wanting to oppress people. You seem sociopathic, sadistic, even, and immune to rhetoric.
Let me clarify what I mean by "oppression" here. Perhaps a better term to use is suppression, because oppress has a kind of morally evil connotation to it. I believe in using the collective power of the proletariat to suppress the power of the bourgeoisie. This doesn't mean we do super bad evil things to them, rather we restrict their power. In current bourgeois society, the proletariat is suppressed, and we will simply do such in return.
>Yes, I do, because I oppose all oppression. Two wrongs don't make a right. You want revenge, not justice.
You sound like an anarcaca. If you are, then you should know you cant have your anarcaca society without oppressing others. If you are a liberal, then you should know your liberal society requires oppressing others in order to maintain itself.
>Yes, I do, because I oppose all oppression. Two wrongs don't make a right. You want revenge, not justice.
I dont want revenge or justice. God, your whole thing is just an extreme misunderstanding of what communists believe because you apply your moralistic worldview to everything and cannot fathom seeing things through a materialist lens.

>>45307321
>I don't assign a negative value to the bourgeoisie, I just want to suppress them because … I just do, OK?

>>45307321
Gonna be honest with you chief I have no idea what Marxists mean when they speak of "materialism". When I hear "materialism" I think of a metaphysical stance, not overthrowing the bourgeoisie

>>45307321
>I dont want … justice
Yeah, I can tell.

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Communists be like “erm, this is oppressive, actually”

>>45307257
The USSR under stalin and especially modern china are both examples of bourgeois states under a red banner. Modern china quite literally just has a market economy. There is nothing communist about it.

There are countless examples of bourgeois states that don't claim to be communist, which of course have terrible rights for trans people. Now tell me, what about communism as an ideology directly leads to oppression of trans people? Can you name the direct aspects of the ideology that show this?

>>45307052
Also, forgot to add, there is nothing about communism that would lead to taking away bodily autonomy. Can you cite anywhere in any of the works of marx and engels where this is the case? Many communists are also transhumanists. Only communists who are attached to traditionalist, bourgeois ideas want to take away your bodily autonomy.

>>45307432
Doesnt matter what your lib theory says. Sure, this is the IDEA behind liberalism, but this is an idealist notion. At the end of the day, it is a bourgeois society, and said bourgeoisie will engage in suppression of the proletariat. The base comes first and foremost, and thats that.

>>45307438
>The USSR under stalin and especially modern china are both examples of bourgeois states
My sides
>Now tell me, what about communism as an ideology directly leads to oppression of trans people? Can you name the direct aspects of the ideology that show this?
>Also, forgot to add, there is nothing about communism that would lead to taking away bodily autonomy. Can you cite anywhere in any of the works of marx and engels where this is the case? Many communists are also transhumanists. Only communists who are attached to traditionalist, bourgeois ideas want to take away your bodily autonomy.
Ah, of course, oppression of transsexuals under actually existing socialist states ruled by a party with MLism as their official ideology doesn't count, only the holy scriptures of Marx and Engels do. Are you sure you aren't a leftcom?
>>45307491
This post is especially hilarious considering your previous one. Holy double standard

>>45307507
when did I say I wasn't a leftcom? MLoids are falsifiers. Also itsnot JUST the holy scriptures of M&E, theres others too! Lenin, luxemburg, diga, (peace and blessings be upon them) they're all canonized saints

>This post is especially hilarious considering your previous one. Holy double standard

There is no double standard, your ideology is based in idealism, mine is based in materialism, cope deniercuck

>>45307544
>Actually existing states that claim to be Marxist aren't actually Marxist
>Actually existing states that claim to be liberal are actually liberal
This *is* a double standard.
>your ideology is based in idealism, mine is based in materialism
I still have no idea what you mean by "idealism" and "materialism". FWIW I am a metaphysical materialist. I don't see a contradiction between denial of the existence of spirit and demanding that political authority justify itself. What's your alternative? You say you don't want a dictatorship, and yet

Uh guys this thread is about phallo everyone who posted slop is GOING TO THE GULAG

>>45307641
OP should've known better than to attach that picture to his post (given the culture on this website)

i hope your dick is okay OP. that sounds awful. Poonbros are chads for the shit they put up with. im praying for your cock’s safety OP. id give you mine if it was possible

>>45303121
Please tell me folk doing phalloplasty is just a meme.

>>45307613
Nope, there isn't a double standard. I just call said states "liberal" to differentiate, there isn't exactly a state that is truly "liberal" since that can't really happen, they will always require suppression of the proletariat.

What actually distinguishes states isn't their ruling ideology but their mode of production. Ideology is a tool for maintaining the mode of production. In the case of "liberal democracies" it is liberalism, in the case of "AES" states, it is marxism-leninism, a falsification of marxism. The mode of production in these states is still based on value extraction. The bourgeoisie can switch between ideologies whenever need be. Look at how the bourgeoisie of the weimar republic was still the bourgeoisie of nazi germany.

Also I am calling your idea idealist, not because you are a literal idealist who believes in mind over matter, but because you are treating liberalism as if its some kind of eternal idea which things in bourgeois society adhere to, as if the idea (liberalism) comes first and the actions of society follow that. I am saying my position is materialist since the way I see it, individuals in bourgeois society follow material circumstance, not an ideology. The ideology follows circumstance. The transformation from liberalism to fascism and back to liberalism is an example of this.

>>45303121
You have a mutilated piece of flesh sewn to your crotch, its not a penis. Even if everything when as planned it would still be for nothing. I pity you for being tricked into fucking up your entire life. Crucifixions are definitely warranted.

>>45307613
>>45307720
I care fan about this argument.

>>45303121
this type of thing is terrifying, if i was dating a guy who needed bottom i would just ask him to get meta….

>>45304428
if you told me to make my daughter suck money for dick, i don't care what race or ethnicity you are i'm gonna find a slur for it

>>45307720
This is completely irrelevant. My point in >>45307432 is that you object to the premise that political authority must be justified (you'd call this "moralfagging" most likely). You want a dictatorship.