A thread for writing literary fiction, non-fiction, and other genres, and discussion of literary craft. Rococo editionPrevious: n/aBe polite and cordial. Do not feed the trolls. Share your work, but retain some grace and limit yourself. Do not spam.Follow thread prompts and discuss these exercises to enrich our understanding of the craft. Thread prompt:Write a scene where a small, ordinary object (a ticket stub, dented spoon, chipped mug) reveals a secret about the narrator. Begin in medias res with a sensory detail. End with a line that reframes the object’s meaning.
>>24854058I'm not sure you understood my question because half of your post is boasting about your job and the other half just points out elements of the story and calls them "deep" with no elaboration. But I'm not sure how to rephrase the question. Sorry.
>>24854081They’re deep because they drive at something fundamental…the prose is very strong. As I said, I work with very important publishers. I can’t even say exactly who. That’s how many NDAs I’ve had to sign. But I know writing, and this would be fantastic in the hands of the right team…I wonder if that anon can reach out to me if I give him an email address
>>24854029Moby-DICK was an ..eye opener.
>>24854086>something fundamentalBut what exactly?By the way, it's very cool to see an industry professional in the thread. Do you have any hot tips for those of us seeking to disseminate our works? How does one build an audience as a writer?There's no need to deanonamize yourself to the thread, but I'd encourage you to set up a burner email account and post it for anon to reach out to you. Knowing the temperament of the average 4channer, you're unlikely to get an answer, but it's worth a shot. Whatever anon does, if you'd like, I'd be happy to reach out and make a connection with you.
>>24854108>>24854086That would be great. 4chan isn't the best place to have a serious conversation.I've set up a burner email jimgrindr67[at]gmail.com
How is this guy not even relevant ? His Metaphysical and Epistemological arguments about Will-to-live being the Will-To-death and that Death is not a phenomenon of the Will-to-Live but the true halt to life and the will to death strives to die because the Universe is the corpse of a suicidal god.Seriously how the fuck these genius is not popular it's literally the best argument
>>24851627Ad hominem
>gendering god
>>24851272https://thephilosophicalsalon.com/why-a-communist-should-assume-life-is-hell/I don't know what book I got, I already moved it into aback up hard drive and connecting it just to check a title will be too much work.
>>24852213Thanks for the link, that's a nice article
Bump
Any got a good short story or flash fiction collection? Like 5-10 pages max.
https://www.bearparade.com/todaytheskyisblueandwhitewithbrightbluespotsandasmallpalemoonandiwilldestroyourrelationshiptoday/
>>24852796>short stories???>news articlesthis is the way
>>24852796A lot of Kafka's stories are really short
The Triumph of the Egg by Sherwood Anderson
>>24852796A Dino Buzzati collection sounds perfect for you OP
Is being anti-reddit a coherent theology?
>>24853546meanwhile, he's using technology invented by the western world, consuming western media.what has russia ever contributed to the world?
>>24853525Those that don't hate their parents don't post here or argue with strangers on vietnamese basketweaving forums. If you keep coming back to argue with the chuddies over how God doesn't exist and you're totally not mad about it, there must something wrong with you>>24853048It's essentially the same thing as Nietzschean-Benoisticist Paganism
>>24853541>>24853546you are fighting headcanons
>>24852533?????
>>24853443your a retard if you think this is true
Post quotes that made you laugh and the book it is from>“Caligula eased the situation by dying”
>his face was smeared with feces and he sat peering at them with dull hostility silently chewing a turd
>>24854028Is that you bataille anon?
>but she had already yanked out of me the coveted section and retreated to her mat near her phocine mamma
>>24853902>I needed a drink, I needed a lot of life insurance, I needed a vacation, I needed a home in the country. What I had was a coat, a hat and a gun. I put them on and went out of the room.Philip Marlowe, Farewell My LovelyAlso, is the Durrant series worth reading? I want to read his Rome and Greece one
>"This is madness, Aurelito">"It's not madness, it's war. And don't call me Aurelito. I am coronel Aureliano Buendia">next page>"Coronel Aureliano Buendia fought 17 wars and lost all of them"100 Hundred Years Of Solitude.
This is the only genre that makes money and the money train isn't stopping any time soon. Short of a puritanical John Carpenter style government, there will always be demand for this shit.The question is, can a dude write successful girlporn? This is the literary question.I'm going to read this milking farm thing and see if I can't get a knack for how women write. I'm suspecting it's a bit like this:>Minimal attention to details and the world, emphasis on personal impressions and feelings; the world as a set of things that make you feel different ways.>Braindead, 12-15 year old brain simplicity. Imagine a Middle School girl trying to "speed download" social gossip updates to a friend.>Vanity, ego, zero accountability, petty delusions, cliches. This will require a bit of research and marketing savvy just to collect up what today's cliches are. Fortunately, women are dead simple and just go on TikTok/Twitter and see what buzzwords come up a lot.>Sultry language.This one's tough. From what I understand explicit, gross language is what sells this shit and is the female equivalent of visually seeing porn. On the other hand, I have a feeling that I could write porn that is vastly more detailed and explicit than what women read and would alienate them. I have a feeling it's just stuff like, "sweaty" "bulge" "heaving" "cock!" "pulsing". Words that sound distinctly naughty but remain vague. It's not about visualizing, even through text, sexual mechanics. It's about breaking social taboos so women feel "naughty" and liberated from their neurotic sexual restraints.>Female attractionThis is tough. How far do you go with "big muscles, ripped body"? How much do women want to read that, and when is it too much? Women like being dominated but they like to feel it was their choice to be dominated. As a man who understands women very well, I don't want to tap into their sexual triggers too accurately because that might lead to a sense of "revealing too much" about female sexuality which women don't like. They like most of it to remain implicit and simple.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
Is there any market on Amazon about a story of a virgin girl who is shy and uptight and goes to a nudist resort and ends up getting railed by dudes? I already wrote it, I'm just polishing it up, but I just don't know if it's worth trying to sell. A lot of it focuses on her inner feelings of being inadequate, which I assume women relate to.
>>24853750>Is there any market on Amazon about a story of a virgin girl who is shy and uptight and goes to a nudist resort and ends up getting railed by dudes?that's literally every single girl's "I went to Party City with my best friend this summer" IRLso I assume yes
>>24851239If you want to pretend to be a woman you can just do that
>>24853641>it really... really makes you think...about suicide
>>24851239I don't want to demoralize you but something I have learned about life is that just like in Nature where there's the wolf and the lamb and one eats the other, in human society you have two people: those who grift and those who get grifted. It's just how it is.Now if you are a grown adult and you haven't made a career on grifting yet, it means you are not a grifter. You're basically a lamb saying he wants to become a wolf. You can't. You either have had the grift conditioned out of you from your parents' upbringing or - more likely - you simply weren't born with the grifter genes. You don't have that spark which means you're at the bottom of the human food chain.Literally every single one of these people who make slop which is shit, horrible shit, and SOMEHOW make money from it are all grifters. I've actually seen some fantasy writers who got published and gained a decent public, they are all very aggressive, extremely confident people, it's nothing like the people you talk to on 4chan, they have something special and it's not related to writing. And they can materialize money out of thin air. These authors, before being writers, are charismatic and manipulative individuals with a go-getter attitude so the grift comes natural to them. It's something really deep like your brain's primitive wiring. Most likely you know you can't do it and you're just making this post because you're upset that the grifters are writing books. Writing garbage is not hard, but grifting is a natural talent. You just can't do it. I would like you to tell me one day that you ignored this post and artificially constructed the grift, as a non-grifter, and I'd be impressed and maybe I would find some relief from my geno-deterministic world view, but I know it won't happen. I have seen several people who made money doing this... this shit, this stuff that I never thought would make money and they made money. Why? Charisma and spirit of the grift. You cannot train it, you cannot build it. I am so fucking mad but it's just how it is. If you're not a grifter all you can do is watch out for the day you'll get grifted.
Do you own books from La Pléiade ?Which ones ?
ye olde: >>24835665Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs).https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg>Thread Question:What's your favourite decade of sci-fi?
>>24853991What. Did we read them same book? Every chapter is almost a self contained adventure story. It's probably like that because of the fact author was a prolific short story writer before novelist.
>>24854020The beginning until he leaves the underworld, I'll grant you. Sekenre doesn't do much on his own, he has the ability to travel outside of space and time and does so, but that follows magical or dream logic which doesn't convey the same sense of travel and trials. In his world, he jumps from Reedland to wherever Neca and Tica are camping, they take a boat and tour to the capital where he stays, up until there's about 100 pages left now. I like the wizard duels a lot, I just didn't know it would have such a strong psychological focus on Sekenre's relationship with his dad, to the point where sorcerous inheritance in this system is a great big metaphor for "sins of the father" and domestic trauma.
>>24852575Terra Ignota by Ada Palmer (history teacher), seems to be interested in all that kind of stuffit really is THE most under-read books I ever came across, written in the last 10 years Even if it got all kinds of flaws. It's just a very ambitious and interesting series Got some renaissance history in there. Got some Political history Some ancient Greek/Homer
>>24850423I'm normally not big on authors farming out their IPs but Ringworld is one that would benefit it. Let Peter Watts write a horror novel about the vampires or R.A. Salvatore write a swashbuckling adventure novel about what happened to Seeker. There is so much you could do with the concept that is being wasted.
>>24853682it's just that actual good, happy people tend to be friends with other good people and shut blackpilled channers out of their lives. so it's natural you wouldn't personally know many happily married couples
I don't get it.So Ezra Pound's works are something only a genius could make, but the only reason why he isn't labeled as a genius by academia, experts and readers is because he had the wrong opinion?That makes no sense all.
>>24853514Why do all of you people talk the same?
>>24853594
>>24853604>doesnt realize the rerouting blame from self (jewish) to indians doesn't work any longerI love seeing wasted effort. Do you know why you all sound the same?
>>24853594Ain't nuttin' wrong with being an obsessed slave for BBC, sista.
i jokingly say i'm this dude reincarnatedjk i mean it
The most "life-changing" books by number of reviews
This is the bookshelf of rightwing intellectual Connor Tomlinson.Is it time we recognise DC/Marvel works as part of the western canon?
>>24852554I don't like American Comics but I don't really have anything against anyone who likes them.
>>24853424>>24853452Retardhttps://x.com/Con_Tomlinson/status/1984994417233563991
>>24852554LOL no.
>>24853996>>24853424The fact that this library seems more fitting for some random autist is quite telling
>>24853212>clearly defined races uniting, but not mixing, to fight against the big (((evil))) and his minionsSeems consistent with nazi ideology
>writes a juvenile book with simple black and white morality for children>filled with plotholes>bad guys are all cartoonishly evil and have no redeeming features>80 years later manchildren still think he's a geniusIs he the biggest hack to ever hack? Being an adult fan of Tolkien is the easiest way to tell someone is low IQ.
>>24852441That's not what a deus ex machina is.
>>24851682>Didn't stick.Christianity was forced upon humanity at the point of a sword. All because a Roman emperor happened to become a convert.
>>24846299It's a reference to classic literature. The Story of Gunnlaug the Worm-Tongue and Raven the Skald.
the funniest thing is OP seems to take most issue with bad guys being bad guys and good guys being good guys.OP is clearly a bad guy
>>24846804To be fair, he only really "hated" the Americans that lacked the IQ or literacy to comprehend the point of his stories. They turned his works (after blatantly stealing them with copyright loopholes) into cheap slogans and tied them to modern day, new-age garbage spirituality and american politics like the vietnam war. Add in the mountain of escapist, high-fantasy schlock escapist fans that obsess over aesthetics and you get a recipe for terrible reception. Any competent and serious writer would have been revolted if their work was received and parroted the way Americans do LOTR.
check this outhttps://www.gururamana.org/Resources/Books/Who_Am_I_English.pdfif it is for you, you're blessed. if it is not, then one day it will be
Some of the most beautiful prose I've ever read
>>24853943Why about this prose comes from no fun? Why can't they engage with wild god approved married joyful sex with their spouse. Destroy in me every lofty thought,Break pride to pieces and scatter it to the winds,Annihilate each clinging shred of self-righteousness,Implant in me true lowliness of spirit,Abase me to self-loathing and self-abhorrence,Open in me a fount of penitential tears,Break me, then bind me up;Thus will my heart be a prepared dwelling for my God;Then can the Father take up his abode in me,Then can the blessed Jesus come with healing in his touch,Then can the Holy Spirit descend in sanctifying grace;O Holy Trinity, three Persons and one God,Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
I never understood how Puritans got associated with a stodgy attitude towards sex.. sex was like their main last time. There's actually records of people being excommunicated for not fucking their wife enough. They simply thought sex was to be shared between a married couple. These people were breeding like rabbits, and thought of sex as being something just as much for pleasure and communion with your partner as it was for procreation.>A couple may joyfully give due benevolence one to the other; as two musical instruments rightly fitted do make a most pleasant and sweet harmony in a well tuned consort
>>24854059Pastime*
>>24853555They considered pretty much any kind of idle amusement to be sinful. If you weren't busy working you had better be busy praying.
>>24854072Important to remember American Puritans were in a harsh and hostile land and the prospect of failure meant sickness, starvation or death. They weren't against "fun", but their pastimes and recreation would've been kept in alignment with their faith. They were fond of festivals, feasting, staying healthy via sport like running and swimming, hunting, fishing, singing, writing poetry, etc. They eschewed drunkenness, gambling, cockfighting, etc. The "no fun allowed" stereotype is undeserved and overstated.
What book should I ask for for my birthday?
>>24853407Reverend Insanity
>>24853407The Fountainhead
>>24853407Growth of the Soil
Some psychology book about the "Man Child" written by a bitter old woman probably.
>>24853407What books do you like to read?
