How do you from deism and the First Mover to Christianity other than by faith?
>>25187108There being legends surrounding the apostles' and other disciples' martyrdom does not preclude their willingness to do so or mean it didn't happen.Take Peter, legend has it that he was crucified upside down and is often depicted that way in Catholic artThis could very well be an accretion, but that provides no evidence against the existence of early Christian men like the historical Peter that continued to preach an illicit Gospel that just condemned their leader to execution for blasphemy. It is important to remember that they preached that Gospel in the very same city the crucifixion took place in. Not only that, but those early Christians spread to other cities and set up churches very quickly. All of these events are recorded in Acts and proof of the churches' existence is found in Paul writing to them in his epistles.
>>25186963Weigh the historical evidence. It's difficult to judge most of the OT because so much of it happens in an poorly-attested mythical age that might have happened at basically any point before 500BC, but the NT can be weighed historically.There's no serious historian who doubts that there was at least a historical Jesus, and thanks to Tacitus we have a non-Christian source verifying that within a hundred years of Jesus' life there was a Christian cult that regarded itself as distinct from Judaism and believed pretty much what's written in the Gospels we have today, and we know that this cult's members took their own teachings seriously enough to spread them in the face of serious social opposition. We know that the claim was that he fulfilled certain prophecies, and we know that those prophecies were written before his birth. We also have records of various miracles attributed to him over the course of the past 2000 years, with some of them being recent enough to be subjected to modern scientific analysis.Basically, just weigh verifiable historical points like these. If you're philosophically convinced of the First Mover already, and you figure it's reasonable that the First Mover would reveal some information about himself, you can compare the claims and results of the various First Mover religions to determine which one seems the most credible.
>>25187327Second this>>25187026>irrational partsAs if the islamic scholars didn’t give up on rationalism after the golden age because they realized their theology doesn’t allow for it.Scholasticism: >Physical phenomena happens because God created the laws governing it, and created the universe to be intelligibleIslam:>Physical phenomena happens because God wills it thus all the time e.g. the water on the stove boils not because enough energy was put into it, but because God willed it to at this moment.
>>25186963You don't. First Mover is already hot garbage, but the secondary argument from FM to Christian God is a rotting dumpster fire.
I just don't see why the Aristotelian First Mover is in any way necessarily personal or why they would give any particular consideration to man. The only difference between atheism and deism is whether you choose to give the FIrst Mover the name of "God". There's no reason to adopt a religion other than pure deism. If you were to adopt a religion, I don't see how you choose between Christianity, Islam, Noahidism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Neoplatonism, etc. They seek to be equally lacking in empirical evidence.
should I waste the rest of my life studying rabbinic hebrew to master kabbalah or study hochdeutsch to master german idealism? pease advise
>>25188511>>25188514No it’s not. My dick gets hard looking at it.
>>25188596It was your fault for posting such a semen demon, OP. Now everyone is masturbating, and when I say everyone, I mean everyone. I was on the train and when I saw this I had to start furiously masturbating. Everyone else gave me strange looks and were saying things like “what the fuck” and “call the police”. I dropped my phone and everyone around me saw this image. Now there is a whole train of men masturbating together at this one image. This is all your fault, OP, you could have prevented this if you had just not posted this semen demon.
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>>25188455both to schizomaxx
>>25188455>kabbalah or freemasonryChoose neither and accept baptism
How many pages per day is a "good" reading pace? How fast does /lit/ get through books?
>>25188290I read philosophy rather slowly, a typical session is 10-15 pages with typically sized pages. If I get fully absorbed in something I'll read a good 50, or if something lacks good content I can also read 50 before I'm filled with concepts and ideas to process.As always consistency is more important, focus on having good days, if you read even a tiny bit but you find yourself reflecting about that tiny bit at night, during walks or with any random events, then It's a good day and it was good reading because it helped you heighten every other moment on top of having been a nice reading moment in itself.
>>2518829030 minutes of reading per day, before bed, is good enough for me.This way I manage to replace brainrot scrolling and slow down to sleep.
>>25188290it depends what you are reading, reading a science fiction book isn´t the same as reading a essay
>>25188682What philosophy books are you referring to? The ones that you read 10-15 pages of?
I'm inconsistent. I either read 200-400 pages a day, or nothing. There is no inbetween. The most I have ever read in one sitting alone, without any interruptions, was the entirety of "Darkness at Noon". I remember finishing the Aeneid within a day. For philosophical texts, I can't seem to read more than 150 pages over the course of a day, although I did finish BGE in a day when I first read it. I became able to read such huge amounts during law school.
I don't subscribe to Trotsky but honestly his theory of fascism is just much tidier and more Marxist than Adorno's. The Holocaust as a crusade against Bolshevism was stressed every step of the way, even soldiers carrying out were told it was the only way to eradicate Bolshevism. Fascism from Pinochet to Franco to Mussolini to Hitler was always a drastic and last alternative to communism taking over. If the Nazis focused especially on Jews it was because they were strongly associated with communism and eradicating them the only way to save Germany from and Europe from communist takeover
>>25187661The British Empire was already destroyed by WWII
>>25187485I personally, for one, do not believe Mussolini's government was special and idiosyncratic and totally unique event in history. He was an opportunist who had no principles and changed policy over and over to what he needed until the Grand Council of Fascism deposed.Fascism as the term is used generally refers to a shared phenomenon of governments. One can use a different title for this phenomenon such as Fagotism or whatever you prefer, however it comes to the same thing
>>25187896>>25187897Manifestly retarded analysis is more like it.
>>25187485They were all counter-revolutionary governments. Call them whatever you like but they all shared one goal in eradicating bolshevism. Hitler and many germans believed the jews were essential elimants in said bolshevism but they werent the only ones.
>>25187955Don’t know what you’re rambling about
>>25188842>Money is the zealous one God of Israel, beside which no other God may stand. Money degrades all the gods of mankind and turns them into commodities. Money is the universal and self-constituted value set upon all things. It has therefore robbed the whole world, of both nature and man, of its original value. Money is the essence of man’s life and work, which have become alienated from him: this alien monster rules him and he worships it.>The God of the Jews has become secularized and is now a worldly God. The bill of exchange is the Jew’s real God. His God is the illusory bill of exchange.>What is the foundation of the Jew in our world? Practical necessity, private advantage.>What is the object of the Jew’s worship in this world? Usury. What is his worldly God? Money.>Very well then: emancipation from usury and money, that is, from practical, real Judaism, would constitute the emancipation of our time."Christianity sprang from Judaism; it has now dissolved itself back into Judaism."
>>25188533burn it, and everyone who agrees with it
>>25188863"Jewry cannot create a new world; it can only draw the world’s new-made creations and relationships into the sphere of its industriousness, because practical need, whose motivation is private interest, acts passively and never initiates growth, only feeds on the growth of society.""Jewish Jesuitism—that practical Jesuitism which in the Talmud, as Bauer shows, deals with the clever circumvention by the world of private interest of the laws that rule it—is the chief art of that world.""What is stated as theory in Jewish religion, namely, contempt for theory, art, history and man as an end in himself, is an actual and conscious point of view, held to be virtuous by the man of money. Even the relations between the sexes, between man and woman, become an object of commerce. The woman is auctioned off.""The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the true nationality of the merchant, of the man of money.""The law of the Jew, lacking all solid foundation, is only a religious caricature of morality and of law in general, but it provides the formal rites in which the world of property clothes its transactions.">The view of nature gained under the dominion of money and private property is a genuine contempt, a materialistic degradation of nature, such as exist in Jewish religion, if only in fancy.>It is in this sense that Thomas Münzer complains that “all creatures have become property, the fish in the water, the birds in the air, the plants on the ground—the creatures, too, must become free.”Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>the JQ will be solved if we give everyone free shit
>>25188899Wrong thread
>t. Midwit
>>25188102Give examples please, Im somewhat into history but I usually defer to YouTube for any of that
>>25188191Don’t tell that to all the people in the Camus thread treating him like some sort of prophet.
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>>25186994Butthurt commie cunt detected
>>25188334history is not an area in which i would feel comfortable giving recommendations id suggest looking through some university curriculums and working through the mentioned works (which will also mention other works)
I'm working my way through the first folio and can't decide what play to read next. My favorites have been Macbeth, Taming of the Shrew and Julius Ceaser. Any favorites to look out for?These are the ones I haven't read yet:>King John>Henry VI 1>Henry VI 2>Henry VI 3>Henry VIII>Troilus and Cressida>Antony and Cleopatra>The Winters Tale>Coriolanus>Timon of Athens>Merry Wives of Windsor>Loves Labor Lost>Alls Well That Ends WellComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>has this reputation of being a mind-bending psychedelic sci-fi odyssey>both Lynch and Jodorowsky tried their hand at making some kind of surrealist masterpiece>finally get around to reading the book>it's the driest thing ever written, mfw Villeneuve's movies actually captured the tone perfectly
The worst part? He plagiarized passages from another book. Which means the sequels are actually Frank Herbert's real power level.
>>25188749It's a historical reference
>>25188740I unironically like David Lynch's adaptation over the modern films and I found the book way too fatalistic even though I agree with the general message. I also hate Zendaya and what Villeneuve did to Chani.
Do you attempt to read things you're sure you'll hate, or things you know you'll disagree with, in order to better understand them? Do you find it shapes your understanding at all or that it just sets up and reinforces your current opinions? I'm a fan of cranks and manifestos, but I'm not exactly planning to start trying to tap the phoenix amerind bigfoot frequency or doing meth and trying to turn myself into a government owned troonputer. Reading some of the less objectionable feminist lit mostly just made me leas receptive to its ideas.
>>25188670It's a *very* recent development haha. Finished Wayward by Dana Spiotta yesterday. It was an interesting glimpse into how people similar to her and the demographic she writes for thinks, and she's quite competent and even occasionally great as a stylist. There were bits of characterization and plot that were quite compelling, but it was overall drowned out by unnatural plotting and digressions, unnuanced political commentary, like she was trying to reach a word count minimum. Much of it struck me as quite false and artificial.
>>25188575i skipped the chapter in trainspotting in which the narrator is a woman who won't stop interrupting herself with "no way!" and the like.
>>25188575When I was in college I read Mere Christianity and The Screwtape Letters for this reason. His arguments had what seemed like some obvious flaws to me but it was good to get a better idea of what Christians believe and why. I also started After Virtue but bounced off it.
>>25188575>Do you attempt to read things you're sure you'll hate, or things you know you'll disagree with, in order to better understand them?Yes, though I've found that having my beliefs confronted and misunderstandings corrected hasn't really changed the way I think as much as reading something without any preconceptions. I think it's important to live outside of an echo chamber. Currently I'm reading That Hideous Strength by C.S. Lewis, a mean and sneering book I don't think I will change my mind on, and The Stripping of the Altars because I've always seen English Catholicism after Henry VIII as a fad imported from the continent and want to see if that belief bears out.
>>25188876I've found C.S. Lewis' "mere Christianity" a very personal faith that other Christians adopt parts of to suit themselves. I don't consider him a serious thinker even if he was a decent writer.
>Pynchonruined by Hollywood trendhoppers>DeLilloruined by schizophrenic wannabe podcasters>McCarthyruined by manosphere conservatardsit's time to get into Roth, anons
>open thread>filled with people who obviously haven't read Philip RothThis board is so predictable.
>>25187259>all of them are about jewsWho cares? It's like complaining Scorsese makes movies about Italians. Read American Pastoral, The Human Stain, Sabbath's Theater, you picked a bunch of his late books where he's ruminating on his childhood.
>>25187875i only started to get into lesser-known postmodernists in the past year or so. i snagged W&M on Amazon for decently cheap and i got three of his other novels but thats it
>>25188141The Italians have aesthetic and historic value.
>>25188131a less retarded op wouldve been beneficial here
Where do you usually get free e-books for your Kindle?
>>25186488Everyone who pirates ebooks should use calibre. It auto-converts anything to anything, and can also strip existing DRM off your own stuff (or stuff from Libby)
>>25188604Shame that no matter how good it gets, pdf conversions will forever be awful
>>25187793People think bib is frozen in time since the-eye. You can get anything at Anna's archive or irc or any library overdrive anywhere. With a request worth enough people will straight up purchase a book to upload. I got several in Swedish from bib because people there are desperate for upload.
>>25188626Yeah. It's frustrating how many older books are either PDF-only or the only epub copy has really bad OCR errors.I've tried to tinker with the advanced conversion options before and have had some success, but the spacing is never right.
>>25188661Or the ebook is 50 bucks and the pdf is the only pirate available. I'll pay that for a hardcover, or something I can see myself returning to often like reference material. Not something I'm reading once out of curiousity. Maybe when we get flashable ereaders - 500 flexible eink pages that you turn like normal paper and reflash into another book when done. The young lady's illustrated primer, or more specifically the drunken neanderthal ancestor.
>What is /phil/ Philosophy General?A general for readers, students, and armchair thinkers interested in philosophy, whether it be Western, Eastern, analytic, continental, ancient, contemporary. We discuss primary texts, secondary literature, online lectures, podcasts.>Why read philosophy?Politics, science, psychology, etc. all began with or were inspired by someone who thought philosophically. Basically, if you are interested in just about anything, philosophy will help you better understand that subject. Because it is at the foundation of every conceptual institution made or discovered by humans, it is in the underbelly of human experience, and so it is worth taking seriously.>Why study philosophy formally?Surprisingly versatile and undervalued. Phil majors consistently score among the highest on the LSAT, GRE, and GMAT. Strong pipeline into law, policy, ethics consulting, AI alignment, and academia.Previous thread >>25146787
>>25172552Which religion is closest to Neoplatonism? I understand the concept of initiation to kill the ego and to provide an actual pathway to spiritual salvation but the religious models in contemporary Abrahamic faiths don't make any sense to me.
>>25188541Because something can only be analyzed if it is the product of synthesis and vice versa.>>25188553Well that’s too bad because Roman Catholicism and… fine, Eastern Orthodoxy are both deeply influenced by Neoplatonism. The whole tradition of contemplative prayer is extremely Platonic. Beyond that you have Sufis with some Platonic influence, also some Shi’ite.
>>25188620Roman Catholicism doctrine of Hell and Christianity's mandate of original sin alongside the fatalistic view of human redemption prevents me from ever believing in Christianity. I don't like messianism and I find the twelfth Imam stuff really silly so I can't believe in that. Maybe I should explore Sufism more.
>>25188640What about Hell and original sin put you off? What do you mean by "fatalistic view of human redemption," exactly?
>>25188843>What about Hell and original sin put you off?Hell in Catholicism is a physical place where you are eternally at rather than simply a soul too unaware of its original self to reach enlightenment. Theoretically in non-Abrahamic traditions Hell is something you can escape and the moral conundrum of God eternally punishing someone doesn't even exist. Original sin is even worse because it views humanity, and the world as a whole, as a corrupted creation rather than an imperfect creation made intentionally (or at least, is not evil) so that we can understand and appreciate our true form.>What do you mean by "fatalistic view of human redemption," exactly?It's fatalistic partially because of what I said about original sin earlier, but also because it literally sees the human soul as so impossibly corrupted that only through rituals where, according to Christian doctrine, you're cannibalizing God, can you be interceded for. There's basically no point in doing anything because Christianity has such a cynical view of the world, and the entire religion is built on not being accountable and banking on a messiah to purge all the conflict in yourself and the rest of the world.
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>>25188615I don't know but you piss me off
>>25188624We can do an old timey boxing match if you're in the buffalo area. Afterwards we'll go out for root beer floats.
>>25188547What is this Victoria story anons keep mentioning? Let me in on the joke
>>25188693It's not a joke, it's a really good excerpt one anon shared some time ago.
>>25188699so is it done? He probably just dropped it half way like everyone else
History general thread. What have you been reading and what have you to recommend–>discuss? I started this last night and it's kino of the highest order. For fans of Storm of Steel. Next history book I'm going to read after this will probably be Dancing in the Glory of Monsters. I'll finish Ghost Wars eventually.
>>25187652>thought this was gonna be about nogs doing stupid shit.Try The Fate of Africa: A History of the Continent Since Independence. It's kino, basically Africa Blood and Guts on paper.
>>25186952The black cover with a huge swastika on it? That's the one I read. They were all over the place in bookstores back then.
>>25152095What are the best books to learn about Richard the Lionheart?
Are history book audibooks any good? Like are they as good as books for memory retention?
>>25187652It is about nogs doing stupid shit? It barely even talks about the Rwandan genocide It barely even mentions it. Did you finish it already?>Updated edition You dun goofed, yah dope.
Why did Harold Bloom lie about Harry Potter? Did he not know people could compare his comments with the books themselves.To tell you the truth, it makes me doubt his veracity as a critic as a whole. How can I trust him on anything?
>>25188434It wasn't
>>25188137>>25188156>No literary critics ever say something is slop and that's what breaks my trust in literary criticshttps://youtu.be/EVWiwd0P0c0Read Bloom then, he called Harry Potter slop on national television in 2000 [8:57] and is able to articulate exactly why it's slop - it's an endless series of cliches.
>>25186080he looks like he smells so bad and doesn't shut up
>>25186080He never lied. He referred to hackneyed phrases in general littering every page, not one particular hackneyed phrase being repeated over and over.
>>25187948He's not referred to that phrase being repeated over and over, but that hackneyed phrases, like that one, appear over and over as a crutch for Rowling, making the work tedious.
