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"Românul îşi zeflemiseşte propria lui condiţie şi se risipeşte într-o autoironie facilă şi sterilă."
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>>24598909
I see. i think Romanian girls are very cute. Not familiar with Bulgarians. Russians are too slav/blond for my taste (i prefer brunettes/med-like women). I wonder if they stay in that job for years or just make some euros for a few weeks and then quit. The prostitution world is very interesting.
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>>24598930
The Romanian and Bulgarian girls almost all have black hair, partly because lots of them are gypsies.

>I wonder if they stay in that job for years or just make some euros
Depends, I know enough examples of both cases... however, "a few weeks" is rare and only really happens if a girl simply cannot handle the job. Usually girls come at 18 or 19 and either work for a year or two to build up a financial foundation for life at home (works nicely with the low cost of living in eastern eu), or they "professionalize" and stay in the job for many years, basically until they hit a hard wall somewhere before 30 when the earnings take a nosedive because it becomes harder and harder to compete with the fresh, younger girls.

Some stupid ones drop out earlier than they want because they "graduate" from cocaine to crystal at some point in their sex work career, and it just wrecks them... powdered drugs are quite common in this job, they help with the long working hours and take the edge off of constantly fucking dudes that could be their dads or granddads
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Wtf did this thread turn into
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>>24599574
Surely a parable for the country of Romania itself. It mirrors the bedazzlement of Romanians in real life when they realize that thousands and thousands of young Romanian girls work as prostitutes in western europe, and ask " Wtf did my country turn into"
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prea multa degenerare in thread-ul asta, ne facem tara de ras

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>favorite author
>favorite novel
>favorite poem
>favorite short story
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Hollerback
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>>24599158
Camus
Journey to the End of the Night
Chanson d’automne
Facino cane
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>>24599158

Is it really possible to feel this way about France? I've never met a from who remotely had this attitude
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>>24599166
>de Sade

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Some great novels that don’t get enough attention around here

Lost Illusions by Balzac
The Cossacks by Tolstoy
Sometimes a Great Notion by Kesey
Germinal by Zola
Libra by Delillo
Berlin Alexanderplatz by Doblin
The Rings of Saturn by Sebald
Memoirs by Chateaubriand
The Dharma Bums by Kerouac


List ur own
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>>24599531
Of Human Bondage by Maugham
Look Homeward Angel by Wolfe
Speedboat by Adler
Nightwood by Barnes
Life and Fate by Grossman
USA Trilogy by Dos Passos
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Germinal is great. Made me want to read more Rougone novels. Finished first 3, but there are like 20 of them. Will read a few more.
Also have been planning to get to Sebald for a long time. Will read Rings of Saturn and Austerlitz in a few months.

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Why did men stop reading books?
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>>24589347
Your entire worldview and reality is a lie. People are not god. You are not god. People do not control or determine reality. The people in power do not control or determine reality. People are not equal. People are not blank slates, people are not inherently good noble savages, people are not perfectible, people are not rational and rationally disconnected from their environment. There is no realm of higher purely rational thought disconnected from emotions and impulses. People and society cannot be improved through social engineering by leftist collage educated experts, managerial bureaucrats, or the state.
Progress is not inherent to reality. Reality is not entirely and fundamentally material. reality is not fundamentally dead but alive and consciousness and responsive and evolving. The divine and spiritual is real. the meak are not more moral than the great. Weakness and tolerance are not virtuous. Everything just is what it is. Reality is inherently mysterious. Self loathing is just as evil as hubris. Your entire worldview is just a rationalization for the ruling class to gain ever increasing amounts of power and turn people into cogs. Your entire worldview is just lying and stealing and parasitism. Your entire worldview is just a way to deny reality and evade responsibility and remain immature and evil and not grow up and be virtuous and responsible and like an actual fucking adult.
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>>24589347
If we discounted porn-in-book-form (romance) from the statistics (and add pirated books) then men would read just as much as women.
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I still read. Will women find me attractive?
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>>24589347
Brooklyne briar phenotype reads books?
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>>24589584
>romance is unfairly maligned
It’s equivalent to male dominated genres like 40k books (or westerns once). Absolute low effort slop writing. The difference is due to the women are wonderful mental virus anything women do has to be more enlightened and praiseworthy. Therefore people will expend serious effort trying to build apologia for romantasy and other worthless crap. They’d never dream of defending isekai manga or similar bullshit.

Once you start to see this kneejerk woman defense it’s very hard to stop. Braindead politician? But is she a woman and therefore criticism is just sexism? Didn’t she have good intentions for the stupid shit she did? Wasn’t she misled (by men most likely) to taking bribes? Woman rapist? But consider the trauma in her life. Wasn’t there a man somewhere that made her diddle kids? Woman murderer? But think of the kids! They need a mother. Lazy retard who can’t clean up after themselves? But as a woman she has such a high mental load! Living in patriarchy costs many spoons each day, women do all this emotional labour, blah blah.
This is the background noise you’re swimming in.

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Are there any authors worth reading from the last twenty five years?
I feel that writers who debuted in the last two decades, especially after 2007 and 2012, are astrosurfed hard by their publishing companies.
Don't get me wrong, I'm pretty sure those kinds of tactics have been going on for over a century at least, but I don't think they were that blatant and they didn't use things like mysogyny, racism, classism, transphobia, etc. as shields against criticism.
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>>24598770
Who are the authors who debuted after 2000 that you've read but wouldn't recommend?
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>>24598879
All of them
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>>24593365
>Adem Luz Rienspects (Mixtape Hyperborea)
While I've got /lit/ shills on my mind, I forgot I read the first two novels by Ogden Nesmer a few years back: I Pray to the Hungry God and Eggplant. I thought Hungry God was the better book, but Nesmer didn't campaign behind it on here like he did with Eggplant so it doesn't seem like many here read it. Eggplant fits in a similar category as Mixtape where I'd call it a naive first novel, but still compelling.

>Hungry God
A child solider in the Congo who becomes a warlord and pursues his brother. Liked the narrative structure.
>Eggplant
Two threads: one a recluse exotic drug manufacturer, another a journalist following a snuff artist. The drug dealer parts have some philosophical meandering, but I remember genuine suspense with the journalist.

I don't have any inherent faith in authors coming out of /lit/, but having free PDF copies of Eggplant and Mixtape got me to try them out after sitting on them a long time. The covers being good helped.
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>>24598676
>>24598753
So you don’t actually know? You just feel a sort of truthiness in your gut? Just sort of reckon there’s a decline and you don’t need to actually check whether the opinion you pulled out of your ass has any grounding in reality.
If I tell you Alice Oswald is a greater poet than Matthew Arnold, you have no frame of reference to argue with me
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Mircea Cărtărescu is too late for this prompt but solenoid is a very significant novel and written recently. I think we’ve hit a low point, people are writing again. I think people need to build on what Mike Ma and Rx han started and bring sophistication and measure to it. We are living in an age of biomaterialism: that’s the theme of houellebecq’s oeuvre and something we can built from.
Tom Wolfe meets Houellebecq meets Mike ma meets Pessoa, meets Melville.
I don’t think modern life is a void for artistry as much as it has too much noise and wage slaving in relationship to focus and free time. It’s not insurmountable though.
One that hasn’t been mentioned is Rob Doyle, he’s not terrible just middling.

I'm thinking of reading an abridged version of this given how from what I understand the vast majority of it is very repetitive episodic monkey saves the day again type shit. Is that true? If so, what's a good abridged translation to read?

Also, what are your thoughts about it as a whole?
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>>24598970
the thing about china is if you want its absolute best, you have to look to shorter forms. longform narratives will give you only a limited and flawed view of the chinese literary spirit.
this makes china kind of a difficult sell in most non-specialty literary communities because people will read the "four classics" and realize they don't really stand up to homer, shakespeare, dante, et al., and then come to the conclusion that china is a minor tradition. which, for longform narrative, it is. but for literature as a whole, it does some things better than the west has ever done.
i think >>24598996's answer provides the best way of satisfying your curiosity and having a pleasant experience. but after that maybe check out some of the other things waley has translated and see what you think.
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>>24599031
>people will read the "four classics" and realize they don't really stand up to homer, shakespeare, dante, et al.,
They do.
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>>24598996
this one:
>>24598649
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>>24599252
i haven't read them so i couldn't say for certain. if you're able to substantiate this opinion, please do. but everything i've heard and every bit of my intuition goes against it.
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>>24599031
>but for literature as a whole, it does some things better than the west has ever done.

Like what?

>favorite author
>favorite novel
>favorite poem
>favorite short story
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>>24599308
Anne Frank
The Diary of Anne Frank
Poems by Anne Frank
Letters by Anne Frank
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>>24599308
They’re all bad the Germans weren’t capable of creating art
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>>24599308
>>favorite author
>>favorite novel
>>favorite poem
>>favorite short story

All of them were jews, that cool?
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>>24599333
>favorite author
>Anne Frank
Anne Frank didn't write the Diary of Anne Frank
jewpaganda
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What's up with the retarded /int/ spam?

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slice of life edition

Previous >>24592309

>What is Web Novel General?
A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royalroad, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more

>Why read web novels?
Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.

>Why write web novels?
Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See https://graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.
Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.

> Advice for Noobs!

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>>24599732
I knew I wouldn't get away with it
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>>24598795
Book 1 is YA to the core. An above average YA but still YA. I'd say it gets interesting before the mid of the book , during the Squire candidate FFA.

Books 2 and 3 are military slopkino. Then it takes off and becomes the 5/5 people are talking about.
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Out of deep-rooted paranoia, I give my work files codenames like "project glass", or "project rainy", and then a year later I browse the folders and am like "wtf is all this shit?"
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I've reread 20 pages of my writing so far, for the first time ever. I've been following the "just write, lmao, edit later" advice. I wish I didn't have to have eyes.
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>>24599762
It's not like what you've written magically changes whether you edit now or later. Just keep writing.

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>To have committed every crime but that of being a father
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>>24597513
You are a retarded person. You genuinely think you're a deep thinker, as well. ABANDON PHILOSOPHY AND READ TOLSTOY'S COLLECTED WORKS
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>>24597989
I don't want to read his moralistic shit that he wrote when his dick stopped working. He is a typical Slav. Lived his whole youth fucking whores, groupies, peasants, killing people in duels, gambling, chugging vodka, killing soldiers in wars, enjoying global fame and then suddenly becoming a born again christain at the ripe age of 52 and then preaching youth to castrate themselves.

Fuck that old man.
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>>24597429
>Antinatalism tells other people what they should do
No it doesn't. If you hear "X is immoral" and then that translates in your brain into "You can't do X" then you are the retard.
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>>24599537
When Person A encounters ambiguity (in speech or behavior) from Person B, the interpretations Person A makes are projections-manifestations of their own inner world, rather than objective truths
about Person B.
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>>24599537
He didn’t read the critique of pure reason it seems

I don't really read books.
I'm more of a movie guy.
But I recently watched Wax or the Discovery of Television Among the Bees, and was introduced to Thomas Pynchon.
It appears that his work is quite the undertaking.
Is there anything I should read, or know, beforehand?
I know IQ isn't a measure of intelligence, but I just want to portray that I'm not really that smart. I've never taken an official test, but I'm probably around 105 to 130.
Nothing spectacular. There's a lot I don't know. Would I be able to understand this?
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>>24599587
Well, that settles that.
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try. if you can't, read his later stuff. he softened considerably with age.
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>>24599600
Like Inherent Vice?
That sounds fair.
I guess I just don't like not being able to understand stuff, lol.
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>>24599569
No. He's really experimental, and a really difficult author as a consequence. It's not even the issue of IQ - experimental books are all about breaking the rules (nonlinearity, non-standard grammar, neologisms), but you need to know what those rules are in order to appreciate what modernists are doing.
And even if you did want to read GR, you should read V first. GR is a sort of V-2, a thematic sequel that revisits and expands on ideas presented there.
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bait thread

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>Just as the female ant after coition loses her wings, which then become superfluous, nay, dangerous for breeding purposes, so for the most part does a woman lose her beauty after giving birth to one or two children; and probably for the same reasons.
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>>24598552
>with some fame/success and money
So the upper 5% moron? If you had that why not just buy women outright instead of looking for golddiggers?
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>>24597892
Well to be fair it should still be hard for them to say no. Perhaps harder.

>>24597720
I accept your concession
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>>24599444
You concede to molesting your nephew? Strange way to respond, but alright! You’ve always seemed more John Wayne Gacy than Ted Bundy.
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>>24598602
Nope, not samefagging. You're just stupid and cringe, holy shit your writing style is trash.

>>24599373
The upper 5%? Anyone can be successful, retard. Just because I'm successful and you're not doesn't mean you can't be. There are lots of guys like Leonardo DiCaprio out there.
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>>24599570
>I'm just like Leonardo DiCaprio

Delusion with dogshit advice lol, where do I buy your book?

favourite booktubers/booktokers?
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>>24599643
>Why are you so terrible?
What do you mean?
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Why do so many of these female booktubers live in such nice houses or huge apartments with expensive furtniture etc? Anyone else noticed this? Emma for instance looks to be living in a multi million $ mansion, granted she's one of the more popular channels with 400k subscribers, but even that is not nearly enough to be making that kind of money just from youtube ad revenue.
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>>24599705
Who else would be a youtuber if not someone who's already from a rich family and can afford to fuck around? Look at the most recent Mutahar's case. Women especially get whatever they want.
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>>24599705
she lives with her boyfriend
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>>24595362
anyone else like ben?

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What references can I use? Diogenes is too edgy of a reference, saying I am autistic would open me up to ableism. I am not right wing but since I am autistic I am naturally asocial so trying to find an asocial bf(yes im female)but using words such as misanthrope/asocial/Diogenes is frown upon
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>>24599553
I am female and straight also I don't think that would work
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>>24597747
So, the goals to hint to a potential SO that you don't like people? Just tell them you prefer your own company and they'll assume you're just a loner. Tbh, most men in general won't have a problem with this. It's women who usually force men to be more social and outgoing.
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>>24597937
She has penis
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You could subtly signal this by reading antihumanist poetry/writers, specifically those of an ecological bent. Most normies would clock you as a outdoorsy environmentalist for reading authors like Edward Abbey, but if they've actually read Desert Solitaire, they'll know full well that Abbey had a visceral hatred of people who intruded onto nature. Specifically cars, the guy really hated motor vehicles and how these trails in the wilderness were being paved over to allow for fat tourists to drive through them.

Another is Robinson Jeffers. Poet who writes about nature under the lens of "inhumanism." You know how people sometimes write shit like "the storm was angry" or "the snow fell lazily down?" Robinson thought that was stupid, that people are too self centered and apply human traits to everything. His writing utilized synesthetic language to accurately describe the natural world as it was, devoid of human influence.

Generally, people who truly love nature tend to hate the rest of humanity's indifference toward it. So developing a misanthropic outlook kind of comes with the territory, even if they don't outright identify as one.
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>>24597747
typical hole.

>how can I lie better to mislead my potential new partner

Why do Christians shill for marriage when saint paul was a MGTOW woman hating incel chud
>Let women be subject to their husbands, as to the Lord: Because the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the church.
>But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ: and the head of the woman is the man: and the head of Christ is God.
>Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence.
>For the man was not created for the woman: but the woman for the man.
>Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
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>>24599061
And? Should we discredit the parables because they're slam published inside shitty Greek mystery cult narratives? You're arguing that Thomas is the *bookending*? Fuck me.
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>>24599088
Yes we should discredit the Gospel of Thomas because it was made up by some Egyptian guy in the 3rd century who had nothing to do with Christ and copied things from the other Gospels to mix with his own super-cool-secret mystery religion he was cooking up
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>>24597806
>St.Barnabas too.
According to Luke
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>>24594441
Because everyone knows, but is too polite to say, that Saul of Tarsus was the Antichrist.

No, I will not elaborate.
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>>24598990
I'm not into edgy apocryphal nonsense usually but you gotta admit that this goes hard
>Whoever has known the world has found a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse, of them the world isn't worthy.

Recommended reading charts. (Look here before asking for vague recs)
https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb

>Archive:
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg

>Goodreads:
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg

>Previous:
>>24586068

>Thread Question:
What location/setting in SF&F would you want to live in? Bonus points if it's not anything Tolkien.
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>>24598868
It's a bad recommendation desu
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>>24598672
>malazan is not reddit approved
Malazaniggers actually believe this
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>>24598960
Giants series by James P Hogan
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>>24599479
What do you do for a living?
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I'm rereading through Dresden Files, it's pretty comfy once the setting is established. Currently on Small Favor


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