Has anyone ever refuted this philosophical justification for suicide?
Here is my refutation:Don't kill yourself, I care about you. God cares about you as well.Otherwise He would not have made self harm and suicide forbidden.
yeah the author wrote it instead of killing himself
>>24675714He did kill himself after tho
>>24675723oh sorry is his argument about how people should commit suicide after writing a book? Didn't know he was the special exception just to get his book out.
>>24675644His argument isn't very strong, it's only remembered for being extreme
>>24675697>I care about you.But that doesn't matter because you're not here with me and can't help me
>>24675738Can you explain why it’s wrong? What would propose not killing yourself would be best? I was thinking to help others in need, to be altruistic to your fellow brothers and sisters
>>24675644I admire nihilists for their honesty about the fact that in a world without a God, the best thing you can do is just die.
>>24677243Life is basically unlivable for a thinking person who lives without faith. That doesn't mean that belief in God is correct it's just that any other option will result in either a life of hardship or suicide.
>>24677243How does that follow
>>24677370Not him but if all your toil is meaningless and love, and joy and hope all end in the dirt you might as well just skip to the end
>>24677363Absurdly narrow point of view there. Look up "Scandinavia". For most western/northern Europeans, those kind of superstitions are simply not part of our adult life in the way that santa isn't part of our adult life.
>>24677431>Look up "Scandinavia">Literally has some of the highest suicide rates in Europe
>>24677376I have good news and bad news. "Meaning" is a subjective experience, so it definitely is real. Life REALLY does have meaning to us.But if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it...
>>24677450And? We could find religious or non-religious countries that have high/low rates of x-horrible-thing all day. Are you not capable of reason?
>>24675644Wait for the second volume translation from Romuss or read YuYUHunter's one
>>24677363>what is buddhism
>>24677376Why?
>>24675644I read Tolstoy's Confession and he argues that the four options when you realise life is meaningless are ignorance, Epicureanism, suicide or just wait for death. He then discovered religion and said that the only way he could live is through belief in God otherwise he would eventually driven to suicide.Problem I have is that yes belief in God is an answer but it's ultimately a cope. I used to trust in God but things were getting worse and worse and I felt no help or comfort or love so I gave up on the idea. I still believe in a conscious creator but I don't know who He is or what is plans are. I also still hold Christ as the pinnacle and the story of Christ as the ultimate story that still can be life changing but I can't believe in the reality of it anymore.As tempting as suicide is to me at times I will not go through with it for two reason: A) my mother is still alive, and B) I still have hope for my future despite everything I've been through
>>24677431don't confuse superstition with the divine
>>24675644Yes, before the idea even got into Mainländer's head. In Schoppy's main work, which is fundamental to the pessimistic philosophy of Mainländer, he picks up this idea of justification for suicide and refutes it outright on the basis of itself being a delusion of the will. The case against this idea, which, again, relies solely on the Schopenhauerian worldview, is again made, although subjectively, in the Aphorisms, which in themselves present a stoic life philosophy, and can indeed be read as vitalistic (which Schoppy of course denies, because he thinks it would refute his main work). So, basically, the framework upon which this system relies in itself resists the ideas presented in Mainländer's philosophy.
>>24677795Please learn how to write more clearly. This is ass cancer to read.
>>24677815not him but it looks perfectly clear to me
When you die, you are reincarnated, and then you have to go through elementary school all over again. This, all by itself, keeps me from even vaguely thinking about suicide.
>>24675644Tl;dr?
>>24675644Mainlander shines brilliantly. His empathy, self-honesty, and love are evident. Bullshit surrounds him enantiodromically. If you can look him in the eye without bullshitting yourself, yet still choose life, you are worthy of everything.
>>24679144Stop patting yourself on the back you retarded bitch.
>>24675644What can refute life not being worth living?>duuude just hang on there’s a new marvel movie coming out and don’t you wanna see what gizmo apple will release in 20 years vr dude woahAmazing stuff these people come up with. >>24675697>my invisible friend said you can’t Woah!>>24677363>believe in an invisible friend because he will force you to live on despite being in constant painI imagine this is the reasoning level of a dog.
>>24680383>>duuude just hang on there’s a new marvel movie coming out and don’t you wanna see what gizmo apple will release in 20 years vr dude woahstrawman
>>24680383You are alive right now that means life is worth living.
>>24680405No, it just means fear of pain and instinctive survival drive
>>24680435Bullshit. Hundreds of people commit suicide everyday because they really want to die. Everyone has the option to commit suicide.
>>24680440But many people don't have easy access to guns or other quick/easy methods
>>24680475When you really want to kill yourself a thousand methods pop up in front of you. Read Seneca and Cicero. It is an option, it is freedom. Use it wisely.
