>The left has lost the ability to discuss, and to deliberate, and to debate. What wokeness basically does is it designates certain things as so sacred, certain identities as so sacred, that any dissent from them is considered to be heresy. And what do you do with heretics? You excommunicate them, right? And what's the ultimate form of excommunication? You burn them.
>>24676103And yet this drug addled fraud will cry like a whiny little bitch if you so much as criticize Israel for killing countless children. The hypocrisy is palpable.
juden peterstein
>>24676146find another site to sully, you evil coward
>>24676142https://youtu.be/C_32icvWpIgJordan Peterson took a doctor prescribed medication. There is no evidence he was abusing it or taking it in a higher dosage than directed by his physician. He experienced a severe side effect from said medication culminating in his seeking treatment in 2018. This side effect and symptoms related to it were not listed on the medication until 2019--after Peterson had gone public about his symptoms.In a nutshell, Jordan Peterson sustained a neurological injury from his medication. This affected his immune system and his body began reacting to random foods he normally had no problem consuming. For example, people who experience the same side effect will have histamine responses to food and drink they were not allergic to in the past. Basically, their body has seemingly random immunological responses that vary in severity and degree. On top of this there are also adverse effects on the regulation of the parasympathetic nervous system. As far as the later is concerned psychological symptoms arise (e.g. a sense of dread/terror, lack of impulse control, sleep regulation, appetite regulation, etc).When Peterson stopped taking his medication due to the above he experienced severe withdrawal symptoms. This is not due to an "addiction" but rather a physical dependency that commonly arises from wide range of medications. Akathisia is one of the worst of such symptoms as it creates an insatiable sense of restlessness. This is not simple anxiety although anxiety may arise due to akathisia which is itself a motor disorder. The reason this symptom is labelled "subjective" is because it is qualitative and patient reported. The pain one has during a migraine or a cluster headache is also "subjective"--this doesn't mean the pain doesn't exist.Peterson sought treatment in Canada but was given a poor diagnosis and thereby sought treatment at a specialized facility that developed an experimental treatment regimen specific to the symptoms he was experiencing. He was put into a comatose state so as to negate extreme withdrawal symptoms and to avoid further neurological damage. The treatment was a success and in the years since he has continued with him life and found success in multiple endeavors.People who want to attack Peterson try to label him as a drug addict. In so doing, they wish to bring in the connotations associated with addiction as a way to defame him. In realty, Peterson had a physical dependency on medication, as many people do, AND had a server side effect, unknown at the time, that compounded the dangers of simply tapering off the drug. No loaded language is needed to describe what actually happened; an appeal to the facts at hand alongside information relating to such experiences themselves suffice.Here's a medical doctor who specializes in the treatment of medication withdrawal explaining exactly what Peterson went through:https://youtu.be/C_32icvWpIg
>>24676142>>cry like a whiny little bitch if you so much as criticize Israel for killing countless childrenwhy do you "care" about Israel? If Hamas numbers are correct, that's still small beans compared to Yemen, Syria, Ukraine, Sudan, etc. Like why pick one cause over the others? Unless you are "fighting imperial whiteness" or muslim who gives a shit?
>>24676278They don't actually care about Palestinians and just hate Jews. The thing is they don't realize whatever cause they attach themselves to is the weaker for it and they give Israel cover, lol.
>>24676295I come to this board to discuss /Lit and rhetoric and everything is constantly getting derailed by seethers inserting Jews everywhere. Unless you live in the levant you are seriously unaffected.
And he gave in to the mob and gave up. A relic of 2016. Nobody cares anymore.
>>24676299>I come to this board to discuss /Lit and rhetoric and everything is constantly getting derailed by seethers inserting Jews everywhereIt has been like this for years.
>>24676313>>24676299What are your thoughts on America joining ww2 to stop Hitler? It didn’t affect us.
>>24676330Think you need to read some history, Japan directly bombed Hawaii and then Germany declared war on America first.
>>24676295>>24676299Nobody cares you seething kikes.
>>24676206And now he’s self diagnosed himself with a made up condition that doesn’t exist because he’s “allergic” to mold. But the fact that you wrote all that out was truly the most pathetic part.
>>24676455there's a rabid peterson concubine crawling around the board who has at least three of these copypastas at his convenience. there is a dysgenic pattern of thinking inherent to ideologues where they believe walls of text are convincing. so they shit up the board with the same garbage, and the sad part is they aren't even getting paid
nuke israel
>>24676103I think there's plenty of discussion on the left if you include books and other published works. Live debates are entertaining but they don't really allow for the same level of depth.
>>24676455The neurological injury he sustained causes random immunological responses. When he went public it was an unknown side effect but within a year it was added to the warning label.
>>24676278>don't care about israel>care about other countries that are apparently unaffected by israel like Yemen, Syria, Ukraine, Sudan I can't tell if you're doing a bit or if you're retarded
>>24676278>>24676449>>24676496>Delusional rationalization/disorganized thinking:There are facts about the world. For example, that media manipulates people, Jews work in media, and psychologists study the mind. However, what a delusional person does is take such facts and use them to confirm a specific narrative (this is known as being selectively coherent). The elements of the narrative aren't actually proven by the facts but the delusional person (or ideologue) confuses their truth with the truth of their narrative. For example: Peterson is a psychologist (fact), associates with Jews (fact), and works in media (fact); therefore he is a skilled manipulator and part of a conspiracy headed by Jews. (This is the delusional rationalization part). The facts don't prove the narrative yet if you look you'll notice they are what is carrying the weight of the argument being made by people who mentally adhere to the narrative--if you deny the narrative these ideologues will confuse this with denying the facts. (That's the disordered thinking part).Basically, the dangerous thing about paranoid narratives is that they have the appearance of being logically consistent within themselves and noticing the sleight of hand that takes place between the facts and the narrative isn't always easy to do. However, it's quite easy to see why certain narratives are simply absurd (e.g. looking at the advanced teachings of a cult versus those they use to hook people in).Peterson isn't the crescendo of a multi-millenia conspiracy headed by a cabal of Jews who want you to not have sex. You haven't figured it all out and you aren't interpreting 5D chess. What you are doing is building a selectively coherent narrative based on truisms and confusing that they necessarily connect to your version of reality. If you find yourselves doing this seek professional help.
>>24676555>sending billions of dollars worth of intelligence, training, and military equipment to destabilize foreign countries is just an antisemitic conspiracy theory You know that when you try to pull shit like that it genuinely makes people more antisemitic over time, right? Actually I guess you already knew that, that's why you're posting this
>>24676566>random nobody on the internet sperging about Jews thinks he's on to a multi-millenia international conspiracy Lol
>>24676103Yawn.
>>24676278>why do you care about israel
>>24676278Because Israel bribes and blackmails my country's politicians and they're using their influence to whitewash a genocide
>>24676142fpbp
>>24676555You're making a paranoid narrative about people making connections between different facts. It's the confused Peterson follower in a nutshell. Yes, we can look at all these facts. No, we must keep them seperate, we must also stat seperate from each other. No organization between people, remain an individual. Clean your room.It's like you want the facts to remain atomized, and the people to remain atomized. It's a way to ensure control and keep the readers and followers out of control themselves.
>>24676103And then the screaming retard broke down crying about 4chan enabling hate towards the righteous Israelites who can do no wrong because they’re God’s chosen people which he believes completely unlike the part about Jesus’ resurrection which is just symbolic imagery.
>>24676206>tldr, I really wanna suck Sir Peterson's darkness cock, pwetty pwese dont cwitise him, hwes such a gwood boy
He's right, but doesn't realise that he is spiritually ill to the point that he cannot have even a basic conversation about Christianity without being infinitely recursive. In his illness, he has no cognitive capacity to debate any sensible criticism of Christianity. Much like the pretend-Christians on this board.
Jordan Memesterson has finally managed to sneak his Freemasonry into the public and dreams about being as quirky and relevant as Zizek.
He talks about leftist woke moralists a lot, but I don't think what he's saying is quite true. In fact, I think the developments we are seeing in the "left" these past 10 or so years are the effects of capital appropriating leftist class struggle and redirecting it into racial and other hundreds of identities type struggle to act as an pressure relief valve to growing social unrest. It is truly fascinating how capitalism manages to appropriate even its own opponents and critiques, and use it to build markets to further exploit and advance itself
>>24676854>the effects of capital appropriating leftist class struggleThat's what you call squaring the circle of an unfalsifiable hypothesis.
>>24676800>do you believe in the Bible?>the Bible is a hyperlinked library of wisdom across centuries. It’s not a book you simply “believe in.”>so you don't take it literally?>literalism is a modern distortion. Stories operate on multiple planes of reality.>you're avoiding the question.>i’m challenging its premises.>are you saved?>i think the idea of salvation is psychological, social, and metaphysical.>so you're not saved?>i'm working on aligning myself with the Logos.>is that a yes?>it's a process, not a status.>do you believe in Heaven and Hell?>we live them out psychologically. Every day.>that’s not what the Bible says.>well, the Bible isn’t a manual. It’s a narrative architecture of meaning.>are you afraid of going to Hell?>i’m more afraid of becoming the kind of person who belongs there.>do you think atheists can be moral?>hat depends what you mean by “moral,” and whether they're standing on borrowed ethical capital.>borrowed from what?>from Judeo-Christian metaphysics. From millennia of cultural evolution.>so they’re moral, but for the wrong reasons?>they’re moral, but they don’t know why.>so you’re better than them?>no, but I may be more aware of the foundations.>so why not just say you're a Christian?>because I’m not willing to trivialize that claim.Fedoras mad.
>>24676865some takes are quite Zen, and probably experiantial-spiritual even.He probably has a great Manager, the dude is nothing but vibes.
>>24676800>cannot have even a basic conversation about Christianity without being infinitely recursiveIn many cases, this is a response and strategy in counterpoise to dishonesty, hostility, smuggled premises, ulterior motives, mob mentality, and various other tactics and milieus that render a straightforward though necessarily-incomplete response untenable as a move in the language-games being playedIt is however true that he has not always been honest where honesty was warranted, and has himself sometimes resorted to playing games rather than openly accepting fault or error or gaps in his own understanding, and going a step further but at an oblique angle, has sometimes been tricked into accepting fault based on emotional appeal when he should not haveI'm tired of all discourse being some degree of pic related>Laffemas had promised the minister that he would torment him so effectively that he would extract almost whatever he wished to know, and that with little difficulty he would find the means to put him on trial in the same manner of the cardinal [Richelieu], who, according to what I have heard from his friends, had been accustomed to say that with two lines of a man's handwriting, the most innocent could be put on trial; because one could adjust the matter so well in these affairs, that one could easily find what one wishes to.—Françoise de Motteville, Memoires, pour servir a l'histoire d'Anne d'Autriche: epouse de Louis XIII., roi de France (1723)
>>24676278Because they’re using our taxpayer money to kill children you spastic. As a thanks, they’re sending the rest of them to our cities.
>>24677063Sandnigger hellspawn doesn't count as children
>>24676496>>care about other countries that are apparently unaffected by israel like Yemen, Syria, Ukraine, SudanI don't care about any of them, I'm highlighting if, you care about "humanity" and "civilians" why choose the conflict with the smallest casualties which is clearly just a war, with one side losing badly because they are retarded Jihadists? Why not care about the foreign conflict with the biggest casualty ratings so you can prevent the most tragedy? >>24676449>Nobody cares you seething kikes>Makes every thread about the jewsoh yeah they are seething not me.
>>24676103This entire thread is full of the worst type of person.
>>24677081That’s very antisemitic of you to say.
>>24676484>wahhh I have a made up condition the cdc doesn’t even recognize as being realYou people are adorable
>>24677090Mind telling me what other thread on the first page is about Jews other than the one about a Jewish nepo baby roleplaying as an author? Or is paranoid schizophrenia just your entire personality?
>>24676555>peterson fanartWhatever mental illness you have is of the same line as the tumblr faggots you try to differentiate yourself from. People get the same vibes from just being around you, and it reeks from every post you send. I don’t want you to take your meds, after all, we wouldn’t want you to suffer a similar fate as your idol.
Jebediah Peterberg
>>24676435>Think you need to read some history, Japan directly bombed Hawaii and then Germany declared war on America first.The US president was angling to get into the fray. The USA was pretending full neutrality, while doing *everything* an enemy would, except for putting boots on the ground. Japan? I have respect for. Little known fact... Japan did Pearl Harbor 100 years to the day, to pay the USA back for *forcibly* opening them up to western trade.
>>24677264Problem is ANY thread will get derailed by philosemites into debates on Jews. They can't help themselves.
>>24677448>Iran hated the US before they hated Israel.Are you replying to the wrong post? That's a non sequitur to what I wrote, please check again.
>>24677448Yeah my friend routinely breaks into my house and steals things while I always save his ass from the neighbours he's pissed off (which makes them hate me) BUT HE SAYS HE'S MY FRIEND OKAY?!
WASHYOURPENIS
Why are arabs being referred to as sandniggers when jews are just as brown and criminal?
>>24676481>debates are entertainingLol. After watching a few you should realize they are gay. It's a cucked art that gives participants way too much pride.
>>24677448>Hamas could have yielded years ago. They could have focused on developing a peaceful, functional state with a healthy economy, establishing productive trade relationships with its neighbors anti-western queer larpers talk up EVIL America same as worm brained ZOG anons play up jewish savagery to the poor arab children because they hate their enemy so much they don't see palis/third worlders as real people with agency, just cartoons upon which violence is enacted to demonstrate the depravity of their ire.
>>24677605Stop deliberately shooting children through the skull.
>>24677648No rebuttal to this. Jews love to victimize themselves even when they're killing your children (they will say it's your fault, like Golda Meir did).
Dudes actually listen to Jordan Peterson and think they're getting some sort of profound wisdom. It's straight up embarrassing.
>>24677648after a long day at the child skull shooting factory I pull night duty defending my work on a Mongolian Basket weaving forum. I had those Goyim right where I wanted but then Kanye released a song about heiling hitler and sucking his cousin's dick and now my boss is pissed because the Goyim are unruly and we won't make quota for the month.
>>24676103Oh look another thread by a /pol/tard shoehorning their nonsense into /lit/.
>>24677090>I don't care about any of themIf you weren't a fucking retard you would know that israel is contributing to all of them >why choose the conflict with the smallest casualties which is clearly just a warBecause it's the simplest and the most obviously genocidal one, even yemen can at least grow some of their own food and sudan gets food aid drops>you can prevent the most tragedyAntisemitic. Israel has a right to pursue its own foreign policy interests without interference
>>24676555>Zizek: You designate your "enemy" ... as post-modern neo-marxism, I know what you mean, political correctness and spirit of envy and all that...where did you get this data, I don't know them, give me some names...where are the marxists here?>Peterson: .
>>24677954So Marx hasn't had immense influence on academia and academia doesn't have any influence on wider society?
>>24677994He has, in the sense that basically all of academia has reacted against him.
>>24677891You missed my point and I think you can do better against >>24677648, which in itself is an argument against the ''man hating israel is for lefties'' >>24677605 suggests, by implying that Israel hate is deserved for its intentional murder of children.
>>24676103I mean to some extent this is definitely true, but it's an attempt to rephrase the truth in a way that fits the eschatology of liberalism, to avoid admitting the obvious fact that Liberals do this exact thing too.And, moreover, that because every group does this, and because there are no exceptions to this rule over a long enough timeframe, liberalism can only ever act as a Détente between Right and Left, an agreed upon curtain between two forces who will inexorably position themselves behind its cover until they sense an opportunity to strike.This is precisely what you see happening now. In the final accounting, Liberalism could only ever be a ceasefire, a pause for two arch-ideologies who can never truly know peace to regroup and rearm. But in truth the outcome to this is not the fault of the Liberal--it is that the Left forgot that the purpose of the curtain is to conceal one's own knife, not to halt the knife of the foe. And so now they are dulled and confused, and the enemy has emerged fresh and sharp, and ready to kill, and all the Liberal can do is cry "Wait, the rules!" as the murder begins.
>>24676103Does this man look like he has a loving family?
>>24676555You're a liar and a thief Dr. P
>>24677478No, it's the right post. Apply yourself.Your bitch presumes the US has no valid reasons to support Israel, that the relationship could be terminated easily and immediately with no consequences and poor Palestinian children would stop dying because Israel would lose, Hamas would exterminate the Jews in Israel and the world would live happily ever after.So, I very briefly explained a little of the history and context you're incapable of accounting for.>>24677490>argument by analogyAnd a retarded one at that.
>>24676481>I think there's plenty of discussion on the left if you include books and other published works.I sure as hell haven't seen any.Feel free to recommend something.I will grant that I have stopped looking but that's after multiple attempts that yielded nothing but regret and a miserable waste of time. One thing Peterson was right about before he lost his mind was the cancer of Marxism and Postmodernism. Those assholes just seem completely incapable of writing anything that isn't a heap of bullshit: obfuscation, equivocation, coded language, misrepresented citations, citations that don't actually support the claim, and substantial arguments being based entirely on these bullshit citations (which themselves are based on other bullshit citations). They make a complete mockery of the scientific method, citing studies they don't understand or "gathering data" in laughably unscientific ways. It's just fallacy after fallacy after fallacy wrapping toxic radical ideologies.What's the point even trying to refute any of it? It's all a convoluted system of gatekeeping, intimidation, internal virtue-signaling, and propaganda. They just want a piece of paper that they can claim gives them authority to do whatever it is they wanted to do anyway. None of them care to listen. They don't care about truth at all and never refine the arguments. The only thing they do, if you present them with an argument, is to note of the form of the argument to employ fallaciously at some later date, or maybe to prepare some well-poisoning fallacies for the next dissertation.
>>24678026Typical Marxist pilpul. It's really obvious when you know how to spot it, and it's absolutely fucking everywhere.I recall looking up <ethnic> studies programs at various universities and it was trivial to distinguish the postmodern-marxist professors from the genuine liberals. Liberals were extremely rare, like 1 in 10 or something like that.
>>24678026and btw, the basic difference between a liberal and a marxistA liberal might go collect data and actually study something like voting patterns and religion of Mexican-Americans. Where the Marxist just finds convoluted bullshit ways to write about narratives of oppression and ethnic experience and so on.
>>24679035>postmodernOkay, so not marxist. You literally just demonstrated my point
>>24679042>Marxist just finds convoluted bullshit ways to write about narratives ofAgain, not marxist. You are literally just proving my point here.
>>24676103He needs to get a grip and honestly just stop doing interviews and media for a few years
>>24679043>>24679057
>>24679063Postmodernism is literally a reaction against the "economic determinism" and "class reductionism" of marxism. Right wingers are so fucking stupid they don't even know what they're criticizing at this point
>>24679002Eh, sure, postmodernism has its problems, but they're really not that bad. These complaints are pretty standard from the Anglophone old guard and they've never been worth all that much. Most people don't get into philosophy over the scrupulous collection of data, it's fine for most of us if you posit an interesting idea and think it through. Logical contradictions or implications are more damning than a failure to be sufficiently scientific from a group of people who aren't doing science and are often questioning its fundamental assumptions. >What's the point even trying to refute any of it?Why does it have to be refuted? Why is that the only option in your mind? Maybe it's possible they have said something interesting or worthwhile, so you take that on and leave the rest. For all the ills of postmodernism as an intellectual movement, at the very least it's interesting. Its opponents have made this most holy of blunders in that their critique is just banal.
>>24678979Okay, name some valid reasons for the US to support Israel.
>>24678979Your post is copium and doesn’t refute jack.
>>24676555>that's known as being selectively coherentYou'll find no such term in a psychology textbook, the behavior you're describing might be called the result of confirmation bias.>a delusional personSomeone who holds a theory about what the explanation of known facts might be isn't a delusion unless there's evidence of the contrary of said explanation is irrational, e.g. jews are evil because they're aliens in disguise.Delusions are also typically highly personalized, so not even popular conspiracy theories qualify as delusions.>disorganized/disordered thinkingDisorganized thinking is a technical term and you're using it wrong, disordered thinking is a made up term.
>>24677448>grow the population of human shieldsIf you look this up you will find many reports from the Israeli military saying that they had to shoot civilians, women and children because terrorists were using them as shields, or they had to bomb hospitals, schools and what have you because they were being used as hideouts by terrorists.Note that the Israeli military is the only source.On the other hand you'll find plenty of pictures of Palestinians in civilian clothing cuffed and held at gunpoint in front of Israeli tanks to act as vanguard for the possible mines, as bait, and as human shields, pic related is one of them.You'll also find pictures of Palestinians in Israeli military outfits cuffed and being directed by soldiers, again, to act as vanguards and human shields and bait, and you'll find stories of this coming from both the Israeli and the opposing side.As for the credibility of the Israeli military on the former claims about human shields you can have a look at the many stories from earlier this year about the shooting of a Red Crescent ambulance that was recovered after having been buried in rubble and sand, the existence of which, before having been recovered by an NGO, had been denied by the Israeli army.TL;DR there's no evidence of Palestinians using civilians as human shields, and plenty of evidence about Israeli using Palestinian civilians as human shields.
>>24679679Hi, high ranking politician here! Here are some good reasons1: It will help fulfill biblical prophecy and hasten the apocalypse2: We get to watch high quality footage of palestinian children being murdered 3: I really don't want my sex crimes to become public knowledge
>>24678979>poor palestinian children would stop dying because israel would lose if the US didn't support itYou might have said this as a joke, but it's even more than that.If the US hadn't supported israel with billions of dollars worth of military aid during the Yom Kippur War the arab coalition would have won by virtue of them having more men than israel had bullets.The only reason why the state of israel still exists is, indeed, continued and huge support from the US of A.
>>24676103Is he implying that a group of individuals who are resentful and who act on selfish, contrarian whims based on their twisted version of morality is bad?
>>24679732>As for the credibility of the Israeli military on the former claims about human shields you can have a look at the many stories from earlier this year about the shooting of a Red Crescent ambulance that was recovered after having been buried in rubble and sand, the existence of which, before having been recovered by an NGO, had been denied by the Israeli army.Lol this one? First off, they weren't buried. Burying means to cover something completely in the ground. There were still parts of that under rubble, visible to anyone walking by.It also doesn't make sense to me that people would have been buried while still bound, if that's true, and then the UN told of their location the next day.>Their ambulances, their fire truck and a U.N. vehicle, which had been crushed, were half-buried nearbysource: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/06/world/middleeast/gaza-medics-killed-israel.htmlIf true, that sounds like a terrible case of collateral damage. Not a targeted eyewitness killing. And it came "weeks" later and not "reportedly alive when found who was killed shortly afterward" like you think.
>>24679732Wild dogs eating corpses hinders investigation somewhat. It is standard to cover bodies in sand to stop this from happening.
>>24679771>they weren't buried, the army simply went to lengths to hide them by crushing multiple vehicles and PARTIALLY burying them where anyone walking by could see them (but not the international press, which Israel prevents from entering the warzone)My bad.>it doesn't make sense that people would have been buried while still boundIs this a /tv/ meme?Did you see the picture I posted.>shooting members of a rescue organization who identified themselves before rushing to a warzone>a terrible case of collateral damageMuch like countless others, like the recent secondary explosive attack to the Nasser hospital in which five journalists lost their lives, among other civilians.It's clearer and clearer that this is intended damage, and the goal is to invade the Gaza strip and the West Bank, like a number of government officials, including Benjamin Netanyahu, have stated in recent weeks.>>24679776>it's standard practice to crush emergency vehicles with corpses inside them, PARTIALLY bury them and deny that they had identified themselves as emergency personnel before you shot themhttps://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-04-05/ty-article/video-of-killing-of-gaza-aid-workers-shows-ambulance-lights-were-on-despite-idf-claims/00000196-0467-d6b6-a9df-ee7fbc060000
>>24679734Let's stay in the real world for now.
>>24679783That sounds like a made up narrative. You're literally making this up as we speak.
>>24679783Not my problem if you decide to disregard the actual explanation of these events.Ignoring the wild animals part like they don't exist or wouldn't eat dead bodies. How is that not logical? I really hope you people replying with complete disregard for logic are not really as lack of critical thinking as it seems.
>>24676865I can't tell if this copypasta is an honest defence of Peterson, thinly-veiled mockery of Peterson, or just bait. It perplexes me.
>>24676278Peterson and every other establishment piece of corrupt dogshit doesn't throw a hissy fit the second you bring up Yemen, Syria, Ukraine, Sudan, etc. like they all do with Israel.
>>24677090>which is clearly just a war, with one side losing badly because they are retarded Jihadists?Lmao are you trolling or do you think it isn't extremely obvious what an ideological dishonest freak you are?
>>24677090> the conflict with the smallest casualtiesUN, OSCE, Ukraine and Russia all agree that there are fewer civilian casualties in the course of the Ukrainian conflict than there are in Israel-Gaza conflict even according to the most conservative Israeli estimates. >clearly just a war"Just a war" doesn't iterate on itself for over half a century to absolutely no conclusion or resolution.
>>24679796It's a post that operates on multiple planes of meaning
>>24679822HA
>>24677090Because it’s a clear case of genocide you ghoul. Even the highest Israeli figures in politics and the military are open (in Hebrew, at least) about their intentions,
>>24676103How do you, in his words, dissent from someone's identity? Isn't that just being an intolerant jerk? How is being shunned an unreasonable response to that?
>>24679788>sounds made upYou don't have to take my word for it, there are two sources in this thread already, and if you don't like them for whatever reason it's easy to look for more.Here's a couple of othershttps://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/04/world/middleeast/gaza-israel-aid-workers-deaths-video.htmlhttps://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/06/world/middleeast/gaza-medics-killed-israel.htmlhttps://www.npr.org/2025/04/20/nx-s1-5370617/israeli-probe-killings-15-palestinian-medics-gaza-finds-professional-failures>>24679794These are the same people telling you gas chambers are clearly made up because if you look at pictures of them you see wooden doors without airtight seals, so the actual explanation is that gas would have flown out, and if you disagree you have complete disregard for facts and logic.
>>24679875>These are the same people telling you gas chambers are clearly made up because if you look at pictures of them you see wooden doors without airtight seals, so the actual explanation is that gas would have flown out, and if you disagree you have complete disregard for facts and logic.Do you find being outraged important?You are still ignoring the part about wild animals and if you truly cared about the discussion you would have answered it long ago.
>>24679890I often wonder if kikes have special units dedicated to gaslighting on the internet.
>>24679890>why didn't you address the scarcely relevant part about something I made up and didn't post any source about, and instead argued and posted sources about the claims you yourself madeBecause I looked up "burying bodies war," "burying bodies sand war," burying bodies sand animals," and I couldn't find anything that had anything to do with the notion of burying bodies in sand to avoid them being eaten by wild animals and make following investigations easier.I also asked Llama, and it too confirmed it's not standard, as you put it, to cover bodies in sand to stop that from happening.Even if that was standard practice, your point that the only reason why the bodies were buried was to avoid them being eaten by wild animals to, in turn, make investigations easier, is comical in the face of the fact that the Israeli army went to lengths to hide the bodies and bulldoze the vehicles (read one of the articles posted), then when the bodies were found the version changed to "we shot them because they were coming towards us at high speed in unmarked vehicles", and when a video was found showing that that wasn't the case the version changed to "this might have been a tragic case of collateral damage, we'll check".>do you find being outraged importantYes, I think being outraged is the least one can do in the face of rampant injustice, in this case a genocide, being purported as an act of rightful defense while a good portion of the world champions the criminals.I honestly hope you're just trolling for the satisfaction of making me type this post out and you're not honestly so stupid that you risk committing a crime out of negligence.
>>24679900>I wonder if jews spend a great deal of effort and resources on propagandaLikely, the JIDF was a thing.
>>24679900You can never relax when around jews. We expelled them in 1492 but people have not forgotten about their evil. To day day, calling someone judío, the adjective judaico and usurero are still synonyms of evil.
>>24679890This post alone just made me more antisemitic by 0.14 points.
> leftist israel hating history anons,has there ever been a genocide in history where the side being slaughtered could stop it at any moment by this one weird trick of just..... surrendering formally? Certainly the Armenians, Rwandan Tutsis and ethnic Chinese in Cambodia wanted that option.
>>24680324>just giveBut Hamas spent all that time digging an infrastructure network under their own population centres...lol.
>>24680324The Holocaust.
>>24680324Yeah because jews are historically known for keeping their word…
>>24680324No, including this one. Genocidal settler states don't want compliance, they want you to fucking die
>>24677384>The US president was angling to get into the frayThis is true, the US coming in and kill-stealing the pacific theater gave us space to set up the global economy however we wanted, look up the Bretton Woods Agreement.>Little known fact... Japan did Pearl Harbor 100 years to the day, to pay the USA back for *forcibly* opening them up to western tradeThis is schizo, Perry didn't arrive in Japan until the 1850s
>>24681017Shhh, let him keep saying that to people until he embarrasses himself in person to someone.
>>24680381>The Holocaust.>>24680427>Yeah because jews are historically known for keeping their word>>24680876>Genocidal settler states don't want complianceKek, pathetic leftist cope that outsources all responsibility and human agency from Gaza's decision to start a war to victim status, it's always someone else's fault, from car theft to Oct 7th.True freedom loving westerners respect they made a horrible decision and could end it anytime if they weren't looking for virgins in Jannah.
>>24681161>Gaza's decision to start a warGaza didn't cause the nakba>to Oct 7thThis started a long time before october 7th, but you obviously knew thatWhy do zionists keep repeating the same retarded shit. This might work on facebook boomers but they're dying off and anyone with a functioning brain can see through you
>>24681161When I say that jews are historically known for not keeping their word, I'm saying this not as a bleeding heart leftist as you suggest, but as a neutral observer. Have a look at the proposals, accords, and other agreements that the Israelis sneakily broke to get the upper hand and if you are as impartial as I am, you'll see the truth too.Here's a video of Netanyahu bragging about outjewing the Palestinians. I hope you'll engage with this and not deflect like you have countless times before.watch?v=KKRFGS_Woww
>>24681161Are you suggesting that Israel purposefully targeting children is somehow the result of lack of agency of the people of Gaza? Please don't evade this question.
>>24678026>basically all of academia has reacted against himLol, imagine believing this.
>>24679043>pedantic autist
>>24681265Anti-marxists aren't marxists, I know that might seem pedantic to you
>>24681274No, it seems like you're a midwit who hasn't learned how to rise above parroting other people's definitional arguments into working with concepts and being able to follow the arguments of people you disagree with based on superficialities.
>>24681438Then just say what you actually mean: "academia is infested with faggy wokes I dislike". This has nothing to do with marxism because post-structuralists and academia in general hate marxism
>>24681443How about you stop parroting other people's arguments in an attempt to box people in based on semantic games that only serve to out you as a pseud?
>>24681457>box people in based on semantic gamesI'm not. Again, you are too fucking stupid to understand what you are even criticizing. I would rather be a midwit than a fucking retard like you
>>24681459>REEEEEEEEYou're ignoring the relationship between Marxism and post modernism by parroting the pedantic arguments of others. The fact is the concept of "post modernism" emerged from figures associated with Marxism and in some ways is seen as making up for it's shortcomings. Yes, retard: it's obvious Marxism is based on constructing a grand narrative whereas post modernism deconstructs such narratives. However, it's a perfectly reasonable argument that post modernism replaces the idea of a proletariat with various identitarian markers and pretty much comes to the same conclusions. You're denying the complexity of the subject in order to make a retard-tier argument based around durr, you're not using terms correctly" instead of saying anything of substance. Basically, you're a retarded pseud and it's obvious you can only regurgitate and can't think for yourself.
>>24681181>Gaza didn't cause the nakbaThey did though. They rejected the 1948 UN partition plan and declared a genocide on all jews.
>>24681483>"post modernism" emerged from figures associated with MarxismAnd marx was "associated with" ricardo, adam smith, and hegel, can I just call liberals marxists now? Actually I guess the morons here already do that anyways>the idea of a proletariat with various identitarian markersOkay, so removing basically all of the economic analysis of marxism, thank you for at least acknowledging that>pretty much comes to the same conclusionsThat the accumulation of capital and heightening contradictions of capitalism will lead to its own obsolescence, eventually leading up to a violent communist revolution? I seriously doubt the average college professor believes that. If they did they would probably talk about that instead of queer/black representation in media, or women being ceos>instead of saying anything of substanceI guess "academia is marxist" is substantive, hard hitting analysis to you
>>24681239Yes
>>24681239Hamas built up a massive network of tunnels, which Palestinian leaders have compared to the Ho Chi Minh Trail, that run under residential areas and are even connected to random houses in civilian neighbourhoods. I've seen the Jew tunnel in New York and if you're going to cry about targeting civilians while pretending the idea of martyrdom isn't ingrained into Palestinian youth and Hamas doesn't use their human shields as PR propaganda there's not much point trying to have a conversation with you.
>>24681506>can I just call liberals marxists now?You can definitely trace historical influence among contemporaries but you can't ignore the genesis of post modern thought and it's incestuous relationship with Marxism. >the moronsAnon, you're a midwit pseud who has never thought for himself once in his entire life. You parrot the arguments of other people while imaging you're better than YouTube debate bros, lol. >Okay, so removing basically all of the economic analysis of marxismIt's not a 1:1 transfer you complete and total retard. Absolutely no one is arguing that. Pickleball isn't tennis but it definitely emerged under the influence of that racquet sport. >spergWe get it, anon. You've indoctrinated yourself. No one cares. >I guess "academia is marxist" is substantive, hard hitting analysis to youI guess parroting other people's strawmen constitutes thinking for you. Lol.
>>24681554>incestuous relationship with MarxismIts repeated criticism of marxism is incestuous? Now you really are proving that liberalism is marxism>midwit pseud who has never thought for himselfAnd the whole "postmodernism is marxism" thing wasn't just some idea you picked up from a rightoid grifter>It's not a 1:1 transferGood, we agree then. Academia isn't marxist>No one cares. You just said they had the same conclusions and I showed you that they quite clearly don't.
>>24681574>strawman>no you >repeated (non)gotcha Yawn.
>>24681587I'm glad we agree
>>24681181>Gaza didn't cause the nakbaleftist think anything with a hint of oppression is never responsible for their actions, no different than saying lil Tyrone has to carjack and slang crack to survive, he's from the Ghetto and America's too racist to hire him.>This started a long time before october 7th, look at gaza Oct 6th, Look at Gaza 1 week later, are these the same thing? Palis have free will. They can literally choose to not keep starting wars and then they won't be pulverized to dust. What's even controversial about saying that? It's the most simple cause/effect possible.
>>24681591That you're a retard, lol.
>>24681239>Israel purposefully targeting children is somehow the result of lack of agency of the people of Gaza?You are making a cherry picking fallacy here, and hasty generalization fallacy, Since Israel could literally wipe out the people of Gaza in one night, (not commanders in tunnels lol) if they wanted. Why haven't they?
>>24681730I thought I was a midwit. Can you make up your mind?
>>24681728>They can literally choose to not keep starting wars and then they won't be pulverized to dustThe issue is that even when they don't start wars they get pulverized to dust, just on a slower scaleThis is the fundamental issue zionists have: they irrationally despise goyim so much that they can't really negotiate. It's just a choice between "let us machinegun you while you're unarmed and helpless" and "we'll bomb you when you fight back". Most people would choose to die fighting, I know I would, and clearly hamas has too
>>24676142Nobody cares when Muslims kill other Muslims, but as soon as Jews start killing Muslims there's a problem? How many people died in the Syrian civil war again? Oh, like a million? Nobody protested in the numbers they're doing today (there have always been anti-war protestors but the turnout for pro-Palestine protests is magnitudes of order greater). The Israeli gov't is still evil though I will admit that, but the western hypocrisy is astounding.
>>24682076>but as soon as Jews start killing Muslims there's a problemWere we giving 100s of billions of dollars to the syrian government/rebels? Could you be fired from your job and have your life ruined for saying "fuck assad"? Was "anti-syrianism" ever used as a pretext to deny federal funding to public institutions? Obviously this doesn't apply to other western countries, but why shouldn't americans care when it deeply affects our lives
>>24681750They need to keep up their facade of plausible deniability. If they just nuke Gaza one day even their biggest cock glazers in the US government will be forced to turn against them.But also. Fuck off Mossad
>>24682169Several sitting congressmen have called for nuking gaza, the real reason they haven't done it yet is probably related to this. Literal biopolitics
>>24676854>He talks about leftist woke moralists a lot, but I don't think what he's saying is quite true. In fact, I think the developments we are seeing in the "left" these past 10 or so years are the effects of capital appropriating leftist class struggle The left is extremely moralistic though, and I don't think a purely "class" based politics is immune from moralism either. That would be like believing as if the workers are morally superior and that exploitation is the result of some bad people rather than a system (capital) and its particular logic (which would appear to me as more Marxist). This whole thing about a "true" working class politics and working class lifestyle which marks how a "real" worker is supposed to behave compared to the woke sellouts often devolves into a form of moralism as well. On the contrary I think you need to drop all of that and think of politics like you would as a scientist or a strategist or something.>>24679755>If the US hadn't supported israel with billions of dollars worth of military aid during the Yom Kippur War the arab coalition would have won by virtue of them having more men than israel had bullets. The only reason why the state of israel still exists is, indeed, continued and huge support from the US of A.I don't think that's true. Most of the aid arrived pretty late when the Arab armies were already in retreat. I'd have to check that though. Without moralization, I think the belief that Israel only exists because of some imperial sponsor is incorrect. In fact, the U.S. has spent billions on client states in other parts of the world who were defeated, because they sucked and weren't willing to fight. The assumption that U.S. support for Israel is what keeps Israel in the fight leads Hamas, like other organizations before them, to sacrifice their own civilian population with the aim of severing that foreign support, which they believe will cause Israel to collapse. I believe that's mistaken and the result is that they just get destroyed by Israel. They don't ever bother to try and understand the Israeli mentality, and they underrate the power of Israeli nationalism. That's a whole other subject but suffice to say I believe their zoomers are willing to fight and can take casualties:https://youtu.be/1wvaaEshgIE
>>24682125>Were we giving 100s of billions of dollars to the syrian government/rebels?Yes, literally yes. The CIA/Mossad play both sides in every Middle Eastern conflict.
>>24682338>that U.S. support for Israel is what keeps Israel in the fightIt quite literally has. Having a permanent un security council member repeatedly vote against any form of sanctions has been quite beneficial. Allowing israel to develop nuclear weapons gives them much more negotiating power too. If it weren't for us, israel probably would have gone the way of rhodesia by now>their zoomers are willing to fight and can take casualties"Willing to kill" and "willing to die" are very different concepts, israel is incredibly strong on the first but weak on the second, this has been noted for decades. This doesn't prevent israel from winning due to its technological superiority, but it's also why their "collateral damage" rate has always been so high and will basically prevent any kind of peaceful resolution from occurring.
>>24681161>true freedom loving westerners(meaning americans) love that their tax money is given to Israel so that they can use it to oppress someone elseahah>>24681536>using human shields as PR propagandaif you read the thread, and particularly this >>24679732 post, you might learn that the use of human shields has been confirmed to only be practiced by the Israeli military>>24681728>>24681808>Palestinians could just, like, not fight and let themselves die under bombs and shrapnel, what's so hard about thatwhat indeed
>>24676103Define left. Define discuss. Define wokeness. Define heresy. Define definitions. I am very intelligent.
>>24681536>>24681750Why didn’t you answer my question?
>>24682423This but unironically
>>24681728Here’s what happened when the people of Gaza peacefully protested (The UN-commissioned independent investigation found: The demonstrations were civilian in nature, with clearly stated political aims.)>Haaretz (via a NewArab summary) published testimonies from six former Israeli snipers who boasted about shooting knees. One sniper (“Eden”) claimed to have hit 52 knees and recounted:“You have to understand that before we showed up, knees were the hardest thing to rack up… I brought in seven‑eight knees in one day.”>Doctors Without Borders (Médecins Sans Frontières) reported that within just four days of the protests beginning, 102 patients arrived with gunshot injuries to their lower limbs, especially knees. A Haaretz investigation linked this to a deliberate tactic of limb targeting.>An AP (Associated Press) report from December 2018 observed that Israeli troops had consistently targeted protesters’ legs, reportedly framing it as a form of “restraint.”How’s that for agency?
>>24682444Have they tried not fucking around like retards?
>>24682459Is nonviolently walking back home "fucking around like retards" to you?
>>24682469You mean storming the heavily militarized border in the thousands?Yes.
>>24676142Is-RAH-El is sacred, the Jews are God's chosen people and that land was given to them by God, now when you consider the giving of land you must consider what it means to give and to receive, it is in essence a masculine penetration and injection of a new logos into the metaphysical substrata of the feminine receiverFor God to give land He has to penetrate deep into the feminine and inject a mighty load, Let There Be Light is so called because Lucifer is symbolic of the sperm ejaculated toward the cosmic egg from which the Phoenix of Jewish identity is hatchedIt's powerful, powerful stuff and you don't want to mess with that, in Dostoevsky when the Underground Man is pushed aside by the drunken officer we see into the substrata, we see the male take on the passive form of the feminine but there is no ejaculation, he is the Underground Man because no logos entered him from the other man, he is left hollow and unfulfilled and once that emptiness if being filled by pornography and video games we enter a society of nothing but Underground Men whose only identity comes from mere feathers of the Jewish phoenix, they wear these feathers as tokens of their subservience to God, this is Christianity's entire point, to signal to others that you are in essence a feminine hollow ready to receive the Jewish logos
>>24681808>>24682419There are 2 million muslim arabs with Israeli citizenship living in Israel and their lives are fine
>>24682533Not an argument.
>>24682491Don't you think it's perfectly reasonable to kill thousands of unarmed civilians who were also fucking around next to a militarized border on october 7th then? Clearly hamas was justified
>>24682419>has been confirmed to only be practiced by the Israeli militaryLol, no.
>>24682428We did.
>>24676103Why do ‘conservatives’ whine so much? Is this some persecution fetish?
>>24682662>Why do ‘conservatives’ whine so much?Why do you guys project so much?
>>24682686It is literally written that they believe lefties are coming to burn them at the stake.
>>24682699It's not a prediction. You've been doing that for two decades.
>>24682662Because we have to put up with constant retardation of leftoids and killing them isn't allowed anymore.
>>24682654You're encouraged to post sources according to which Palestinians use civilians as human shields.If you end up doing it, it will either be an official Israeli army source, or articles citing official Israeli army sources.
>>24682699I've never heard a conservative say anything like that but I've heard plenty of leftoids saying the right wants to genocide them and mainstream libtards pretending Trump would end the Republic and become a dictator, lol.
>>24676278Literally just because it's in the news right now. It's amazing the extent to which people will make "current thing" their identities and totally ignore an analog situation occurring some other place, only difference being it's not in the news, while convincing themselves they've arrived at their beliefs through heightened sense and morality. Watch them employ mental gymnastics to justify the discrepancy, still deeming themselves somehow different that college girls with blue hair who seamlessly adapt to "current thing" which right now is Palestine. "Because my taxpayer money!1!" lol like it's the only global destruction our government is partaking in.
>>24682725>SOURCE!They literally build combat tunnels in civilian areas. Fuck off back to plebbit.
>the left has lost the ability to debate>gets absolutely humiliated in his debate with slavoj
>>24682742>boo-hoo, they say mean words to me
>>24681808>"we'll bomb you when you fight back".do you understand how reality works? yes, people will get bombed when they "fight back" which is defined as shooting missiles and killing their enemy. Their enemy will also kill them.>>24682419>what indeeddo all you leftists have major anxiety disorder? this takes a future possibility depending on their own actions as an event sufficient to bring about it's own reality in the present.and finally>>24682444>How’s that for agency?The only Mossad ITT are these Queers for Palestine who actually hate Arabs and want them to die for GlbAl ReVuLoTion and HuManITY. You are literally telling them to attack a much stronger enemy and either don’t care or cannot comprehend, the enemy will attack back. If I hated Native Americans, I would convince them: the white man is oppressing and wants you to die, go attack that army base, bonus points if you kidnap some women and then film yourselves starving them.LOL, yeah, only total victory is assured here, nothing but heckin liberation. Save the children, surrender !
>>24682169>>24682169>They need to keep up their facade of plausible deniability.actually think if they did turned gaza into Dresden on oct 8th, the PR would be better. People have short memories for gobal conflicts they know nothing about and in places they have never been. The only people that hate Serbs are other Balkans people, everyone else has no idea what one is or where they are.
>>24682745>I don't need to provide a source for my claims, I am allowed to make things up and if you don't like it you should go back to *edditHuh.Say, out of the countless times the Israeli army has bombarded a hospital, school or other residential buildings, can you find a report that does NOT come from an official Israeli government source confirming that hospital, school, ... was indeed being used as a terrorist hideout?Try looking for them.
>>24682774>it takes a generalized anxiety disorder diagnosis to see that the point I made is pants on head retardedIf that's how you want to put it.
>>24682805Zinged me anon, Come, take my hand, let us defeat islamists and tankies together, Let us say no to radicalism and turn Gaza back into this beautiful paradise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB8cHXx7_S4Together.
>>24676103he has no power over themhttps://rumble.com/v5s8qb2-the-donut-lickers.html?e9s=src_v1_sa%2Csrc_v1_sa_o%2Csrc_v1_ucp_a
>>24682774Why did you evade the point I made about peaceful resistance being punished brutally as well?
>>24682407>Allowing israel to develop nuclear weapons gives them much more negotiating power too. That was probably more the French. Israel developed nuclear weapons in the 1960s when they were more a French ally. >israel is incredibly strong on the first but weak on the second, this has been noted for decades.They have a small population, true, but how many decades back are we going? During their first war, they lost a percentage of their population roughly equivalent to Britain during World War II. That was not like one of the Axis powers or the USSR but it was still considerable. Israel lost more than twice as many people in that war %-wise as Rhodesia did during its war with the black rebels, and Israel has fought a lot of wars since then. I'm not saying this because I'm some pro-Israel guy, I really do think people underestimate how stubborn these people are. They're not like some white farmers in southeast Africa or some French people who can be run out of there with some bombs planted in cafes. I don't accept this thesis that the Israelis are just settler-colonialists. That's a common belief on the left, but the nationalist factor is very strong. Leftists don't understand this because they don't have nationalistic feelings for their own country, so they don't get it. It's not like the U.S. where political divisions are also social divisions as much, because most of the population serves in the military. There was this awful Israeli rap video (another one) where these ultra-nationalist rappers were singing a refrain from a popular song (from the 80s) paraphrasing the Bible about God protecting Israel while there are Nova festival dancers, soldiers, and religious Jews; basically nationalism here serving to unite people across social divisions:https://youtu.be/ha-8LO0seaMWhen this war started, I saw a lot of people (mostly lefties who support Hamas) who were like, Israeli diaper brigade, and I was like oh God oh no Jesus because the Israelis were going to switch into Warhammer mode and smash Gaza. When the stakes are existential like that, they lock up. The results are appalling. I can just assume Hamas thinks that this will isolate Israel. On the other hand, if the Israelis interpret the rest of the world as hostile to them (which they mostly do) then they won't listen to international pressure anyways so this suicidal strategy cancels itself out and they just end up with a lot of dead Palestinians and an important city for a future Palestinian state turned into rubble. >>24682774>If I hated Native Americans, I would convince them: the white man is oppressing and wants you to die, go attack that army base, bonus points if you kidnap some womenThere was one dead woman who was filmed being paraded around in the bed of a truck. You have to think about how the reaction to that was going to go down.
>>24682802>SOURCE THOUGH?!Lol, the fact they built combat tunnels under civilian areas and ingrain their youth with the idea of martyrdom is an undeniable fact. You're retarded.
>>24682862>>Why did you evade the point I made about peaceful resistance being punished brutally as well?>>24681239>Are you suggesting that Israel purposefully targeting children is somehow the result of lack of agency of the people of Gaza? Please don't evade this question.Your arguments are disingenuous and rooted in retarded extremism, leftist anon. And here is why: in order to feel morally superior about promoting killing civilians as "liberational resistance, you must hype up the oppression and paranoid extermination angle to frame it as “self defense.” life in Gaza pre-oct 7th quickly dispels that reality. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DSKPXTCz08You don’t want kids getting sniped in the head? Or knees capped? Don’t start a war of extermination and then cry about the consequences. That they were, slowly getting pulverized to dust anyways, so might as well attack, is jihadi black pilled, encouraging people you supposedly care about to self-suicide from the safety of the west actually means you hate those people.There is such a large gap between your premise and conclusion. Palestinians cannot peacefully protest on the border without getting kneecapped by snipers. And? That doesn’t give any sort of evidence for why the solution is to start a war of annihilation. They are simply never going to get national sovereignty over a land they never previously had sovereignty over. They have drank their own kool-aid Islamist propaganda and every leftist encourages them to suicide-by-cop to highlight how morally bankrupt white supremist capitalism is or something.
>>24682553Israel has consistently traded land to Arabs for peace agreements and maintained good relations with any muslims who aren't hell bent on their eradication.
>>24682774>yes, people will get bombed when they "fight back"I'm more than aware. My point is that israel has given no incentive for pacifism. They will slaughter unarmed protesters just as happily as armed militants, so if you're going to die no matter what, why not die fighting?
>>24682767Yes, that has been the platform of the left for the last 20 years or so.
>>24683323>My point is that israel has given no incentive for pacifism.The incentive is not getting all your cities bombed
>>24683323>Israel slaughters unarmed protestorsWere the civilians at the music festival armed? Lol.
>>24683346This is exactly what I'm talking about. Negotiation only works when you can possibly get something out of it besides "we'll only blow up 1 hospital a year instead of 10."
>>24683351Well they were "fucking around next to a militarized border", clearly you think they all deserved to die anyways
>>24683323>>so if you're going to die no matter what,This right here anon, is where you make multiple logical fallacies, there is literally no evidence that an extremely large amount of people in Gaza were going to die violently and all their land destroyed, pre oct 7th and there is ample evidence the current borders of Israel would never be majority arab muslim with nationhood status. You are making a part to whole fallacy from cherry picked examples, the vast majority of Gazans were just hanging out and going about their day pre oct 7th. Your evidence that some gazans have been wrongly killed/sniped/kneecapped ≠ All Gazans are going to die so might as well attack.That is gigantic leap in logic.Will you also be encouraging ethnic Germans to take back Gdansk and turn it into Danzig after they were all expelled post WW2?
>>24683294Land that wasn't Israeli in the first place.
>>24683287>Your arguments are disingenuous and rooted in retarded extremism, leftist anon. And here is why: in order to feel morally superior about promoting killing civilians as "liberational resistance, you must hype up the oppression and paranoid extermination angle to frame it as “self defense.” life in Gaza pre-oct 7th quickly dispels that reality.No seriously, why did Israeli snipers shoot peaceful protestors, many of them children, in the kneecap? This wasn't during any war. You keep squirming. I think it's clear what you think, you're just too embarrassed to tell us.
>>24683367>Land that wasn't Israeli in the first place.irrelevant goalpost moving, this is like willingly touching an electric fence then complaining that it was built on stolen indigenous land. All borders are a tangible reality, enforced by violence. Either accept that or keep getting shocked.
>>24683365>that an extremely large amount of people in Gaza were going to die violentlyIdk if you're delusional or think another 9/11 every year isn't large. If 500 children being slaughtered every year isn't a "extremely large number" then why did the israelis care about oct 7? Why has israel become so psychotic over such a tiny number of dead people/hostages?
>>24683375>anon doesn't understand international law
>>24683379International law doesn't matter if you have an apocalyptic cult in a permanent un security council nation
>>24683381Hahah yeah, good one. Israel can do what it wants because the united states vetoes every resolution. I am glad you at least agree on that, anon :)
>>24683360You're quoting someone else, retard.
>>24683391Were the civilians on the march of return armed? Lol
>>24683356This is a very ironic statement coming from a Palestine supporter
>>24683367At least there actually was a kingdom of Israel/Judea from 1500 BC until 135 AD. There has never been a Palestinian state ever until 1988.
>>24676103I love how there are a bunch of humans on earth who didnt learn, until like 2019, that leftism is a cultThey just found this outWild
>>24676278Because they clearly have blackmail material on high ranking US officials and use this blackmail to secure endless funding in order to carry out a genocidal annexation of land all on the basis of Jewish ethnic supremacy.
>>24683420Sir this is a justice for sniper kneecap victims thread, please start your own Jordan Peterson thread and stop shitting this up.
>>24683397Probably. They're educated to suicide themselves through official state doctrine and their government dug combat tunnels instead of bomb shelters.
>>24683419Nah, its a fake country. Imagine how laughable it would be if in a few hundred years a bunch of Jersey guidos moved to Italy in masse, created their own state for the 'real Italians', and ethnically cleansed the entire peninsula. That's exactly what happened with Israel but because of powerful Jews and schizophrenic christcucks we're supposed to take it seriously.
>>24683572If you want to take that line then Israel conquered it from a bunch of primitives with no concept of nation-state. Let them finish the job.
>>24683371>You keep squirming. I think it's clear what you think, you're just too embarrassed to tell usWhat exactly are you looking for kneecapanon? what will it take to remove the palestine flag dildo from your butt? I don't work for the IDF or blindly support israel so I agree kneecaping peaceful protesters is horrible, but in no way justifies terroristic tactics.My position is the same, Gazan's decision to engage is armed resistance is suicidal and unwarranted to the actual accomplishment of anything, there is a reason they don't hijack planes anymore and that's because leadership decided it wasn't worth it. They had the free will to decide on any number of strategies and decided on OCT 7th, which will be studied as a historic error which resulted in all of their deaths.
>>24683468They were not ''probably'' armed. They were not armed. Case closed.
>>24683633>I don't work for the IDF or blindly support israel so I agree kneecaping peaceful protesters is horribleOkay, good. Then can you condemn Israel for doing it? And what would you have the people of Gaza do if peaceful resistance is also met with having their children shot through the knees and skull? Languish and die? The West Bank stopped resisting, and look at what became of them. It's either a slow death or a fast one and only cucks would agree to giving up arms against an oppressor. I just KNOW you don't go to the gym.
>>24683635>ignores official state doctrine that educates kids to become "martyrs">ignores the fact Hamas built combat tunnels in civilian areas instead of bomb shelters Lol.
>>24683665>ignored my entire postI give you one last chance to engage with >>24683635 Either dispute what I said ''they were not armed'' (refering to the kneecapped and killed civilians) with proof, or I will have no other way but to view your argument as abandoned.
>>24683677>I give you one last chanceLol, fuck off. Why don't you want to talk about the fact Hamas educates kids to become martyrs and built combat tunnels under civilian areas instead of bomb shelters?
>>24683572The difference is Italy is a state that exists and has history whereas Palestine didn't and doesn't.
>>24683642There wouldn't be any conflict if they recognized Israel as a legitimate state and were willing to have normal diplomatic relations.
>>24684177When moderates gain traction the US and Israel itself fund their extremist opposition.This doesn't excuse the terrorists but everyone involved, especially the ones with actual power, as in US and Israel are irredeemable, evil idiots.
>>24684253There are no moderates in Palestine
>>24684320That's the kind of thoughtstopper the OP is referencing. Dogmatic, fanatic extremism built to justify burning heretics.
>>24684253Hamas are terrorists, Palestinians elected Hamas and have them their mandate, Israel is doing the world a favor. Simple as.
>>24676299>Unless you live in the levant you are seriously unaffected.You fucking retard, if you are living in the USA, Australia, UK, et al. you have been living under total Jewish oppression since WW2. Everything you think you know has been contaminated by their influence. You have no idea how important it is to expose the world to this fact.
>>24684368Israel is built on terrorism. No nation or region comes close to the number of documented, confirmed terrorist attacks on other countries. You're applying white standards to sandniggers, they're all inbred retards in a diseased culture. Israel is not separate from them, they may be the worst sandniggers of all and just as responsible as the arabs.
>>24684169Idgaf about the state. I care about the people that live there. By every metric Palestinians are more native and have more right to live on the land than a bunch of Ashkenazi larpers.
>>24684368Israel was founded by terrorists. Look up the Irgun, look up Menachem Begin and how he proudly saw himself as the father of modern terrorism, look up the origins of Netanyahu's party, look up how Israel actually supported Hamas and gave them funding in order to kill the two state solution. Granted you probably know these things already but choose to ignore them.
>>24676103I used to somewhat respect this guy but I can no longer tell if he was always retarded, a grifter, or insane from trauma/drug or all three.
>>24684859The drug use definitely contributed but I think his main issue is that he can't "stay in his lane". He's a respected psychologist and all (or at least was), but that doesn't mean he knows anything about politics, philosophy, or being a functioning person
>>24684333Ok who is the moderate party in Palestine. I'll wait
>>24684587>By every metricExcept historically, legally, morally equitably>Ashkenazi larpersMajority of Israel is Mizrahi
>>24684626How come Palestine supporters are incapable of arguing without using whataboutism? None of this justifies supporting Islamist terrorists so it's a waste of time arguing it.
>>24684389>No nation or region comes close to the number of documented, confirmed terrorist attacks on other countries.Nope. ISIS, Taliban, Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, Iran, Pakistan, Syria are all far greater and all Islamic. However you will still continue to argue that morally it is worse to support Israel than all these terrorists.
>>24685127Palestinians derive most of their DNA from bronze age natives. The fact that they got arabized means nothing. >legallyLegally there is a Palestinian state. Israel just likes to ignore that. >MizrahiBased on stats it's about half and half and most of those mizrahi are Sephardic which means they're Euro mutts too.
>>24685148Why are Israel supporters incapable of arguing without lying between their teeth and ignoring the fact the group they put all the blame on was purposefully propped up by Israel as an excuse to satiate their bloodlust?
>>24684626>whataboutism
>>24684626War is ugly, shouldn't have fucked around.
>>24685165There was no Palestinian State established until 1988, after the state of Israel had already existed for 40 years.>most of those mizrahi are Sephardic which means they're Euro mutts too.Hey retard, Spain was also an Arab country before the jews got expelled from there. And now that every country in the Middle East has expelled their jewish populations, they have justified the existence of Israel even more since that's where all of them were relocated to.
>>24685171Yes the evil jewish masterminds MANIPULATED the majority of Palestinians into supporting a terror regime and teaching their children to exterminate jews in kindergarten. Palestinians have NO culpability. They are just a blank state of PURE GOODNESS corrupted by le EVIL JEWS.
>>24685220This! I too get a boner when I see all those dead Palestinian children.
>>24685214>Spain was also an Arab country It was ruled by Arabs but most people were still romance speaking. Sephardis traditionally speak an offshoot of Spanish. They're genetically and culturally Euro mutts just like Ashkenazis.>>24685197Okay then Israel should stop crying about October 7th. They shouldn't have fucked around with supporting Hamas
>>24685222Absolutely not. It's a terrible tragedy. I hope that Hamas will surrender soon and spare the Palestinians of their suffering.
>>24685220A terror regime is needed to fight against a terrorist state
>>24685228Nonsense, just admit those emaciated lifeless corpses arouse you.
>>24685227>It was ruled by Arabs but most people were still romance speaking. Sephardis traditionally speak an offshoot of Spanish. They're genetically and culturally Euro mutts just like Ashkenazis.They haven't existed in Europe for over 500 years, about 10 times longer than Palestine has been a state.>Okay then Israel should stop crying about October 7th.They're not crying, they're winning the war. Palis keep crying about losing and have amnesia about why this war started so they get reminded.
>>24685232>>24685237Another deranged Palestinian lunatic
>>24685241Whenever they start losing the argument they project the joy they get from human suffering onto you.
>>24685241Another dishonest erotophonophile
>>24685239>winning the warWhat war? According to the IDFs own data 83% of casualties in Gaza are civilians. That means either they're the most incompetent army of all time or they're just committing a genocide. You choose which one is true.
>>24685249Actually the civilian casualties to combatants are at about a 1 to 1 ratio which is the least civilian casualties of any urban conflict ever
>>24685254This! The IDF said so, it must be true.
>>24685249>>24685254This civilian casualty ratio is even more impressive considering that Hamas' openly stated strategy is refusing to evacuate and protect their civilians to ensure as many are killed as possible.
>>24685254>>24685263I can't wait for the day all the boomers die off and the whole world agrees to drop a nuke on tel Aviv. Everyone under the age of 50 rightfully hates Israel and you have no one but yourselves to blame
>>24685270No rebuttal just anger, ok.
>>24685270Imagine the hubris of millennials and gen z to believe that they are the first people in history to invent antisemitism.
>>24685287>anti Zionism is antisemitism Mossad really did a great job at conflating the two
>>24685284I can't argue with people who refuse to engage with reality https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/aug/21/revealed-israeli-militarys-own-data-indicates-civilian-death-rate-of-83-in-gaza-war
>>24685293Zionism means the belief that jewish people have the right to self-determination in a jewish state. 90% of jews identify as zionists.
>>24685296Why are there so many civilian casualties?
>>24685301So? You can be jewish without being zionist.
>>24685311Yes but it is antisemitic to believe that jewish people don't have a right to self-determination or to their own state which is recognized by international law and has existed for 80 years already.
>>24677023>In many cases, this is a response and strategy in counterpoise to dishonesty, hostility, smuggled premises, ulterior motives, mob mentality, and various other tactics and milieus that render a straightforward though necessarily-incomplete response untenable as a move in the language-games being playedThis is a very sophisticated obfuscation of the fact that Christianity does not survive the most basic scrutiny, and JP knows it. Answering simple, clear, and direct questions in a simple, clear, and direct way undermines the imagined integrity of the belief system. This is why many people across many ideologies believe that certain simple questions are forms of "tricks". It's a necessary defence mechanism.
>>24676184Keked hard
>>24676142BEDEVILED EGGVILE PROPRIETOR OF KUMQUATS
>>24682346I notice you had to ignore the rest of the post
>>24685324No one has a right to their own state under international law, only self-determination. Does that make international law antisemitic?
>>24683412Lol
>>24685361The state is already established and internationally recognized.
>>24685370You are avoiding my question. No one has a right to their own state under international law, only self-determination. Does that make international law antisemitic?
>>24685301Too bad the Jewish state ended up being the Hebrew Third Reich. It needs to be scrapped and replaced with a new state just like we did with Germany.
>>24685306Because Israel keeps dropping bombs on civilians
>>24685389You have no proof that this isn't bullshit.
>>24685384No. Because there is a difference between opposing a state that doesn't exist and one that already does.>>2468538520% of Israel is Arab muslim. How is a pluralistic democracy the third reich?>>24685389Is that why text them on their phone to evacuate?
>>24685408Yes, because ''No one has a right to their own state under international law, only self-determination.'' also means that Jews don't have a right to their own state. You should practice your reading comprehension more.
>>24685417The UN recognizes Israel so they recognize the jewish state
>>24685408Texts them to go to safe zones which they also bomb later? You need to step up your game Mossad. You're not convincing anyone to join your side.
>>24685422And the reason Hamas builds terror tunnels underneath civilian buildings, hospitals and schools is...
>>24685427Israel bombs hospitals and falsely claims afterwords they were Hamas headquarters. I'm not believing a word that you say.
>>24685419How does that dispute what I said? Please pay more attention.
>>24685445There is photographic proof of tunnels underneath the al shifa hospital that was recently bombed
>>24685447This is a pointless argument. Ok if I concede the UN is arguably antisemitic, what's your point?
>>24685455No there isn't. You can PWN me right now by posting it, come on, do it?
>>24685457
>>24685456What you're admitting is that you believe international law is antisemitic. I didn't mention the UN at all, you did. You also failed to answer my question. So either admit you don't know what you're talking about, or admit that you made a mistake, or admit that you lied.
>>24685465Who establishes international law?
>>24685474Do you admit that you believe international law is antisemitic, yes or no?
>>24685464>an imagine with some linesI know this is an imageboard, but I want a report.
>>24685455You mean the tunnels Ehud Barak says were built by Israel?
>>24685477The concept of international law is not antisemitic but the UN has nevertheless been known to perpetuate antisemitism.
>>24685489Thank you for admitting Israel does not have a right to exist under international law. Yes, you just did.
>>24685502According to you, neither does Palestine
>>24685482https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/02/12/world/middleeast/gaza-tunnel-israel-hamas.html
>>24685509Not according to me, but according to the international law you misread. This is rather basic knowledge of how international law works.
>>24685220>culpabilityReasonable people don't spend energy on assigning blame, the goal is to avoid the same shit in the future. The current goal of the Israeli government is to extend conflict, for many reasons including power and money. The current goal of the Arabs in the area is to be subversive shitheads, in the style made popular by Jews.Everyone involved is completely fucked in the head, nobody remains sane in an environment of mass manipulation.
>>24685513Ok glad we can agree international law does not recognize Palestine
>>24685522It does. Recognising a state is not the same as saying it deserves to exist. I don't understand how you didn't figure that out yet in this discussion.
>>24685327often what appears to be a 'simple, clear, direct question' is not, which is the point of both >>24676865 and >>24677023telling the truth to people whose goal is not understanding but leverage is fatalthis is basic Saul Alinsky
>>24677856That's what happens when nobody reads.
>>24685545It doesn't really matter what you think, though
>>24685610I'm only saying what international law says.
>>24685647So true
>>24684382>you have been living under total Jewish oppression since WW2. Everything you think you know has been contaminated by their influence.Why do Anti-semites cuck themselves like this?Might makes right, so if the jews are literally controlling us from underground lairs, then they won. How does the west deserve to rule a sandcastle if we are beaten so badly?
>>24686013Kind of like how the media is supposedly part of the Jewish conspiracy but they'll still ask for sources, lol.
>>24683642>I just KNOW you don't go to the gym.WRONG, WRONG, I am on this basket weaving forum for /FIT and /LIT, I run/ROON/ daily and hit my local park for dips, muscle ups, squats and pull ups. It is because my fitness is outside that my position is actually the based and normal one to have. Your opinion >only cucks would agree to giving up arms against an oppressorIs terminally online and resulted in binary thinking, that other people should die. Islamists are retarded but that doesn’t mean I support Israel more than acknowledging they will-2-powered their way into being the strongest force in the M/E and could BTFO any country they wanted. So I will give you closure, it doesn’t bother me to say IDF soldiers sniping children should be jailed or killed, that does not equal: justice is Hamas ruling river to sea.
>>24686040>the media is supposedly part of the Jewish conspiracyInsulting the jews for being all powerful and controlling is really just insulting yourself for being weak enough to be conquered as a slave.
>>24686063>it doesn’t bother me to say IDF soldiers sniping children should be jailed or killedWe already knew, but thanks for being honest for once.
>>24676103all I ever see this faggot do is either break down in tears because he just loves Israel so much or because he thinks about "young men" washing their dicks. It didn't help that his book sucked ass, but I once read a guide from him about how to write an essay, which I thought was pretty solid, so there is that
>>24676103
>>24686063>that doesn’t mean I support Israelhmmm>>24683287>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DSKPXTCz08 [Embed]Every serious humanitarian and political body on the planet has already declared the blockade of Gaza to be collective punishment, a blatant breach of international law. Organisations like the IMF and World Bank go even further in detail about the impact on Gaza's economy and living conditions. Your meaningless YouTube clip doesn’t override international consensus.Speaking of videos, you've avoided mine (>>24681224). Are you going to avoid it again?In the same post, you tried to weasel out by implying that children being sniped and kneecapped only happened because Hamas started a war. That is patently false. The incident I referred to took place in 2018, during protests that all independent observers agreed were peaceful.Now, I can continue showing other philosophical atrocities you posted, but you will just use that as an chance to play dumb. I'm sticking to my point which is that you are a bad faith shill.
>>24686563Is this knee sniping incident like the new Mai Lai massacre? Has everyone but me heard about this? My position: Palestinians will never successfully expel/kill 7 million Jews in Israel so they should accept they lost 5 wars and make peace instead of dying pointlessly. The idea that some 16 year old has such a longing for his great grandmother’s land he’s never seen, that he has no choice but to suicide bomb a Sbarro Pizza is retarded. Change the culture to non victimization and get on with it.Also my position: Unless you are an Islamist for the Ummah or Hate Jews, supporting the armed resistance requires a massive distortion of reality that the current conditions necessitate their actions. It also relies on leftist victimization and weakness apologists that they somehow are not able to make different choices. A sniping of peaceful protesters amassing near a border does not prove that genocidal self defense climate is present, this was the average life of a Gazan pre-oct 7thhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkJk_UrXMW4There's a bunch of points brought up and I'm not going through with a checklist. In what way is any of that bad faith?
How do people still not know isreal funds hamas? Half the points ITT are completely invalid
>>24686670But I thought Hamas good? Israel funds Hamas so Hamas bad or?
>>24686672They are both bad retard. isreal funds hamas BECAUSE they are bad. they dont want a non terrorist palestine state because they want to conquer it
>>24686689what are you guys a bunch of communists all the sudden? isn't this the kind of deus vult based stuff you say you want to see?
>>24686646>Is this knee sniping incident like the new Mai Lai massacre? Has everyone but me heard about this?I don't mind you acting smug because all it does is point out your obvious lack of knowledge on the topic. This isn't some obsure rumour: Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, UN Commission of Inquiry and even Israeli NGOs like B'Tselem all documented Israeli snipers shooting unarmed protesters, often in the knees. Brushing that off doesn’t make it disappear.>they should accept they lost 5 wars and make peaceThat line would only work if Israel had shown any genuine interest in peace. Instead, every credible observer has noted the opposite: indefinite occupation, blockade, and expansion. There's a wealth of documentation on this. It’s as if you’re demanding Palestinians accept a peace Israel itself has never offered. Considering your ignorance on the 2018 march of peace, I think it's safe to say your knowledge on the history predating it is Wikipedia (simple English) too.Bonus round: I’ve tagged you multiple times in >>24686563>>24681224 with a relevant video asking you to engage with it (and crickets still). Are you actually going to engage with it, or just keep posturing? If you want a meaningful discussion, then stop ducking and step up.
>>24685516>obviously biased voice of reason redditor routineDilate
>>24686706Oh yeah, cause 4chans always been known for its rampant zionism and love of the jews
>>24686646>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkJk_UrXMW4 [Embed]Another meme video, after I explicitly told you that >Every serious humanitarian and political body on the planet has already declared the blockade of Gaza to be collective punishment, a blatant breach of international law.>Organisations like the IMF and World Bank go even further in detail about the impact on Gaza's economy and living conditions. I honestly think you're mentally ill. Either that or you know nothing about the topic.
>>24686689Why does Iran fund Hamas then?
>>24686646>this was the average life of a Gazan pre-oct 7thThis was the average life of a Gazan pre-oct 7th:The IMF described Gaza’s economy as “wiped out” with infrastructure left derelict by the blockade. The World Bank calculated that Gaza lost over 50% of its GDP since 2007, with unemployment soaring above 80%. UNCTAD compared the recovery needed to a Marshall Plan, while Amnesty and HRW documented how the blockade systematically crushed industry, agriculture, and healthcare.>“Gaza’s economy is wiped out, it’s more than 80% gone” – IMF Managing Director Kristalina Georgieva, April 2024. >Unemployment in Gaza regularly above 45–50%, reaching as high as 80% for youth in some years. World Bank Data – Gaza Unemployment>HRW: Israel’s blockade has led to “virtually every aspect of life in Gaza being undermined”, devastating healthcare, industry, and agriculture.>Amnesty: Blockade is “collective punishment”, crippling the economy and leaving residents dependent on aid.And this is only part of the picture, given Israel also routinely ''mows the lawn'' every few years, destroying infrastructure and killing civilians.
>>246867294chan was founded by a jewish zionist in israel
>>24686765Maybe they should have tried negotiating to lift a blockade or establishing diplomatic ties instead of jihading a bunch of civilians.
>>24686751They both fund hamas for different reasons. Iran relies heavily on proxy warfare. they can't actually invade isreal. they need launch sites and extremist groups to do the work for them. Isreal doesn't cash app money to hamas. they simply let qatar do it for them. this keeps hamas in charge and keeps a divide between the west bank and gaza. preventing a united palestine for isreal. destabilizing, and conducting proxywars for Iran. both are bad for palestinians
>>24686782>Israel funds Hamas by... NOT funding themThis is huh, wow
>>246867684chan was also full of cee pee. So maybe stop noticing things
>>24686784They fund qatar and qatar funds hamas. with isreali go ahead. whats your point? "Transfering money to hamas" is a direct quote from bibi
>>24686785Cringe. I only support non-pedophiles like Trump and Sam Hyde.
>>24686793I dont support either of those people. I think you've got your scripts mixed up. Donald is also a great ally of isreal
>>24686796As is Sam Hyde
>>24686800Gorilla nests are in season all year round in tel aviv
>>24686792Is Israel also psychically manipulating the Gazan population to support terrorism?
>>24686806they support terrorism cause they live in a bombed out muslim shithole. my point is that isreal wants them to be terrorists. doesn't matter how we got there
>>24686814Da Gazans DINDU NUFFIN
>>24686822they absolutely do. are you illiterate? the whole fuckin plan relies on the gazans doing something. hamas is the gazans doing terrorism. its isreals plan. weird that you're pushing back on this so hard. bibi admitted it
>>24686822You see, if I wanted to create a casus belli in order to annex Gaza I would do exactly what Netanyahu did in the leadup to October 7th.>ignore foreign intelligence on a Hamas attack>leave the border undefended>stand army down while it's happening >bonus: use tanks and helicopters to gun down your own citizens so you can blame it on Hamashmm.. truly crafty folk them yids.
>>24686838>>24686842It was actually Hamas's plan to secretly act super peaceful and chill until Israel's EVIL JEWISH MONEY suddenly seized their bodies and filled their head with antisemitism never before felt. Benjamin Netanyahu smirked as his plan fell into place. He rubbed his hands jewishly as the peaceful Hamas goodboys tried to resist his evil commands. But their wills were too weak, because they didn't have enough support from American undergraduates. They writhed and screamed trying to resist Bibi's mindwaves from forcing them to kidnap and rape innocent civilians. "I MUSN'T DO THIS IN THE NAME OF ALLAH" one freedom fighter thought. But it was too late. Bibi's jewish money mind rays had already forced him to behead a child and he was already dragging a woman into Gaza's terror tunnels (built by Israel of course). How long will Israel continue to get away with these atrocities? As long as NYU students aren't all wearing keffiyehs and flying the flag of queers for palestine, there is little hope. But with a little bit of effort 4chan /pol/tards and college marxists queers can finally come together to stop this jewish menace.
>>24686872>filled their head with antisemitism never before feltIsrael's behaviour turns ordinary people into antisemites, correct. And they're not to blame for hating jews.
>>24686872Literally scroll up. i posted a direct quote from bibi saying they need to bolster and transfer money to hamas. nice meltdown tho
>>24686882I'm glad we've finally dropped the "anti-zionist" pretexts
>>24686887You said yourself he never transferred any money to Hamas, it was Qatar.
>>24686899And qatar got that money from isreal. thats why he said transfer to hamas. are you claiming Netanyahu was just lying? Why else would he say that
>>24686893No, that’s not me “dropping a pretext.” It’s you being too stupid (wilful, or involuntary?) to understand the difference between pointing out that Israel’s actions are generating antisemitism and endorsing it.
>>24686921>And qatar got that money from isrealCitation needed
>>24686935Those actions being defending itself in a war started by Gaza?
>>24686944Forensic Architecture, Al Jazeera’s Fault Lines, and The Washington Post—revealed that dozens of Israeli tanks were present during the attack. One analysis estimated that the car was struck by 335 bullets, and the ambulance was also targeted.What part of self-defence is magdumping a child?
>>24686939They give qatar black money and use charities, which is purposefully hard to trace/prove, but its obviously happening. regardless netanyahu and his cabinet voted to let qatar money enter palestine and land into hamas pockets. they had to literally vote this into effect then help enforce it. Suitcases of millions of dollars in physical cash were flown into Israel. The money was vetted and checked by Israeli officials. It was then transported under Israeli military escort into the Gaza Strip. The funds were handed over to Hamas officials, reportedly with the understanding it would be used to pay civil servants' salaries and for humanitarian purposes, preventing a total economic collapse in Gaza. now cut back to Netanyahus quote about transferring money to hamas. they've laid it all out in front of you and admitted it. Again, are you claiming Netanyahu is lying?
>>24686986Children are just as capable of blowing up with a bomb strapped to them.>>24686994I thought Israel was letting Gazans starve? Now you're saying they're giving them humanitarian aid and that makes them evil??
>>24687022Gazans are obese. The majority of that aid goes to rockets anyway. you're just making up points to be angry about, i never said isreal was starving them
>>24686711>Considering your ignorance on the 2018 march of peace, I think it's safe to say your knowledge on the history predating it is Wikipedia (simple English) too.Correct anon, Outside vague interest in the Alawites, ISIS, Libyan slave trade, Hezbollah pager incident or Edward Said, I am not a M/E history enthusiast nor card carrying DSA member. If I'm not Shakespeare shitposting find me in /ROON/ General. This is why I am the perfect anon to tell you how insane you sound to anyone that doesn’t support Hamas. Whatever facts you cite, which I do not deny:>Every serious humanitarian and political body on the planet has already declared the blockade of Gaza to be collective punishment, a blatant breach of international law.>Organisations like the IMF and World Bank go even further in detail about the impact on Gaza's economy and living conditions.The fallacy of your lefty argument is, the side with more “power” is responsible for every result. Mohammed Dief, was blown up inside a refugee camp that killed a large number of people. Apparently Abu Abieda was blown up today and that likely killed women and children as well. They know the score, their families know the score, anyone near them knows they are marked for death, but to you, it’s somehow a tragedy and a genocide instead of the obvious end result of their actions. In the spirit of meaningful discussion, since even though Israel made peace with Jordan and Egypt, Israel cannot be trusted, what would you say a REALISTIC solution (besides stop attacking Israel) is to this conflict?
>>24686711>Bonus round: I’ve tagged you multiple times in >>24686563>>>24681224 with a relevant video asking you to engage with it (and crickets still). Are you actually going to engage with it, or just keep posturing? If you want a meaningful discussion, then stop ducking and step up.Actually quite invigorating to be told to step it the fuck up, I appreciate that
>>24687036no one is making a plan to end the war
>>24687030>Gazans are obeseYes, and the same reports that talk about this also document chronic malnutrition, stunting in children, micronutrient deficiencies, and some of the highest food insecurity rates in the world.You are just too retarded to understand.t. medfag
>>24687046Well, no reply to the video? I guess it's established then: you've been, as kids these days might say ...rekt
>>24687036>Correct anon, Outside vague interest in the Alawites, ISIS, Libyan slave trade, Hezbollah pager incident or Edward Said, I am not a M/E history enthusiast nor card carrying DSA member.No need to be butthurt. Simply admit you got outmatched and were talking about a topic you had a scarce understanding of.>strawman about powerNobody said the stronger side is responsible for everything. This is pure imagination on your part and I remind you to stick to the facts. The point of IHL is that all parties are bound to the same standards. Collective punishment (Geneva 4) forbids many of Israel's actions, including the illegal blockade which has been present nearly two decades before 2023. Civilians don’t lose protection when they’re near a fighter, and proportionality means you can’t flatten neighborhoods for one target. >“They know the score”Not a legal principle.You even concede HRW, Amnesty, the UN COI, and B’Tselem documented Israeli snipers shooting unarmed protesters yet dismiss it as “lefty.” Peace with Jordan and Egypt says zilch about policy toward Palestinians where the record is occupation, settlement expansion, and a blockade that even international financial bodies link to economic collapse (IMF: Gaza’s economy “wiped out”; World Bank: >50% GDP loss tied to blockade. See previous post). That’s not a normal life baseline you can demand people accept. >it’s somehow a tragedy and a genocide instead of the obvious end result of their actions.There's no way around it. It is a genocide. If you disagree, you can always take it up with the body of legal experts in the Hague.
>>24687036It's not lefty to believe Israel is evil and deserves annihilation. Most rightwingers are on board with this except the kosher ones.
>>24687178>Most rightwingers are on boardwhat are you talking about anon? It is the exact opposite. The left wants Israel destroyed because it is murdering brown indigenous olive farmers due to western imperialist white supremist capitalism. The right (correctly) backs Israel against jihadism and islamism.
>>24687133>No need to be butthurt. Simply admit you got outmatchedYou got it twisted anon, this is not /HIS/ I have not and will not be furiously looking up Wikipedia articles, then pretending you are a moron. I write broadly about nationalism, war, history, based on reading books, news, and personal experience. Actually rekting you is unimportant. I’d like you to change your mind that armed resistance in this case is effective to literally anything you claim to want. But you can believe Gaza being pulverized to dust was inevitable and not making a charge of the light brigade moment is cucking yourself. I just hope all the silent anons reading had a good time.
>>24686646>The idea that some 16 year old has such a longing for his great grandmother’s land he’s never seen, that he has no choice but to suicide bomb a Sbarro Pizza is retardedThe idea that some Polish dude has such a longing for his supposed ancestors lands from 2000 years ago that he has no choice but to kill a bunch of innocent kids is even more retarded
>>24687410>Actually rekt’ing me is unimportantAlways the line right before conceding. Appreciate the entertainment.If ‘changing my mind’ is the goal, why did you dodge every point I made about international law, civilians, and the blockade?You can’t answer basic principles, why should anyone (including the silent anons) take your ‘charge of the light brigade’ analogies seriously?
>>24687410Anon, you made yourself a rekting target after refusing to answer on multiple occasions. Please stick to rooning. These remain unanswered>>24686563>>24686765>>24687133
>>24687410I don't think you in particular have read anything in your life.>>24683287Already in 1976 the PLO (which at that point was the representative organization of the Palestinian people) were supporting two states under the June 1967 border. They were supporting the compromise. They were already giving up.Have a look at the West Bank and see where it brought them.
>>24687410''I write broadly about nationalism, war, history, based on reading books, news, and personal experience. Actually rekting you is unimportant.''You broadly get the basics wrong is what I'm reading here.
>>24687368This is just bait, but people actually believe this. isreal has talked of bolstering hamas for years cause they are the good guys!
>>24687631Except the "Polish dude's" family has already lived in that land for 3 generations, has no citizenship or connection remaining to modern day Poland. And the "bunch of innocent kids" are child soldiers and suicide bombers being told by their parents that dying for Hamas will guarantee them a place in heaven.
>>24688249This poster really wants us to be okay with killing children
>>24688233>isreal has talked of bolstering hamas for years cause they are the good guys!It was literally humanitarian aid for the people of Gaza
>>24688255No, you shouldn't be okay at all with the fact that Hamas kills its children. It's completely psychopathic.
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