>>24680139
Might have to check this out purely on how much this board seems to hate it

>>24680151
this board only hates it because Reddit found it. Remember this when someone on here tries to tell you that /lit/'s full of the real patricians or something similar -- they stopped liking a genuine masterpiece because they thought that it became cringe

>>24680162
Well If you think about it, it is pretty weird, at times pretentious. I couldn’t read his stuff a second time. Those descriptions are mostly cringe. I even struggled through all the pretty horses a year ago, where that stuff is very much toned down.

>>24680184
>struggled through ATPH
Even as bait I wonder why anyone would admit this. Mind-numbingly easy read. If the scores of white women who propelled this book to relevance had no problems going through it, you’re admitting to be dumber than them. That’s sad.

>>24680139
filtered

>lists reasons the novel is good
>wtf this sucks

>>24680184
Are you sure you're in the right place? r/books is that way

>>24680224
It was an easy read but I can’t bother with this over-the-top, pseudo-romantic style anymore. It is physically painful to read.

>>24680282
>pseudo romantic
What does this mean? Are you saying the book is too idealistic in tone?

>>24680151
all the pseud faggots on this board loved it a year or two ago before wendigoon made that fateful video on it. these retards always follow the wind opposite reddit, ironically becoming the same brainless parrots they accuse redditors of being.

>>24680151
Read it last week. Just so you know most people (reddit and youtube audience) like it mostly because its "violent" and edgy even though it's unironically rather tame. Some also think it has as a creepy vibe too it. Though I never felt that while reading personally.

>>24680139
You forgot to include
>main character goes near unmentioned for over 150 pages

>>24680296
Not too idealistic, but with McCarthys style you always have long descriptions of travelling through wildlife and deserts intercepted with short dialogue sequences. The descriptions can be beautiful, don’t get me wrong, but when he starts to throw in this often termed “biblical” language and scientific terms like “fluorescent moonlight painting the skeletonic mountain ridge in pale contours or shit like that”, it’s just too much.

>>24680316
I would agree with you but the sentence you quoted is neither biblical or scientific, just specific in detail. And I think if you investigate why he chose to write in such a way, you might find it more engaging. Otherwise it just seems you got filtered lmao

>>24680302
> like it mostly because its "violent" and edgy even though it's unironically rather tame
I personally can’t take splatterpunk seriously. Or what is it you think you mean by violence and tame?
People have grandstanded against McCarthy, Ellis, Palahniuk for being violent, misogynistic. They invented the term dicklit to try and disparage “violent or gross” or exploitative titles men liked. We had a whole era of this, 30 years at least.

It was always a bullshit charge and you’re essentially repeating an old feminist/fartsmeller line you’re probably too young to be aware of.

>>24680316
If that really is a bridge too far for you I wonder what you think is good literature?

>>24680362
He wants you to think he’s cool for thinking it’s tame. Because Sade is waaaay more violent bro, you don’t get it….or something.

>>24680343
It’s not a real quote, I made it up to get my point across.

>>24680367
I think the best work in literature is don quijote, apart from that: hamsun, tolstoi and savinkov. Those are the greatest imo.

>>24680396
You should have added more “and”s for the biblical effect. And if you struggled with ATPH, I don’t know how you had the attention span for Tolstoy. Seems suspect.

>>24680403
When something really grabs me, 1000 pages are not that much.

>>24680343
>And I think if you investigate why he chose to write in such a way
Hiding the lack of substance behind tawdry flourishes and pseudoprofound allusions?

>>24680496
It is already well documented what he was trying to accomplish. If you think it’s a pointless endeavor or that he was unsuccessful, then that’s fine. But to say there’s no purpose behind it is just admitting to have been filtered. Changes in hue are still present, even if you’re colorblind.

>>24680505
Sure. Why don't you explain it to a retard like me?

>>24680545
Why do you think he tried to instill a biblical tone, and constantly made “pseudoprofound” allusions to other authors? What do you think he’s trying to accomplish? It’s pretty easy to figure out, and I think you already know.

Suttree is his masterpiece

>>24680316
oh so you're a simpleton

>>24680302
>main character is gone for 150 pages
that and most of the OP isn't a negative especially considering the best characters in BM are not the protag, the spanish criticism I respect because it doesn't really serve to the majority of readers, I know spanish like 20% so I think I'm the ideal reader because I can kinda loosely follow like a character in that era would have

>>24680382
Nope. Just coming off of reading Bakers Prince of Nothing trilogy before it which has some similar elements (Kellhus / Judge holden) and found it to be far more disturbing than than the contents of Blood Meridian.

>>24681460
If you’re equating the “characters” in BM to characters in a fantasy series, you are beyond filtered. Study the form of the novel and assess what McCarthy is doing differently from a typical author. This is not praising McCarthy: his work fails on several levels, but you aren’t even remotely capable of understanding why just based on your responses. Waddle away, tard.

>>24680139
I've never read this trash and I never will. Stephen King's Desperation is far superior.

>>24681308
Well if you can’t separate mastery in literature from someone obviously trying too hard, that’s not my problem.

>>24680139
Is this suppose to be a critisim?

>>24682056
If you can't realize that you're a simpleton then that's not my problem

>>24680396
McCarthy is too convoluted for you, but you love Tolstoy? Make sense you fucking faggot.

>>24681305
dude fucking melons lmao

>>24682219
Where have I said that he’s too convoluted? Learn to read, my friend.

>>24682219
Tolstoy is straight as an arrow compared to Tolstoy

>>24682219
Lol what? Tolstoy is crystal clear and doesn't try to be anything else.

>>24680139
We get it OP, you're very smart *tips fedora*

>>24681492
Talk about being a Pseud. You assume that it being fantasy must mean its slop. On a literature board you should enage more seriously than such low brow takes as yours. Bakker has a PhD in philosophy his work is far deeper on that level than anything Cormac presented in Blood Meridian.

>>24680139
Nah you're crazy.

I was listening to Burzum during the scene where Glanton chases the two Indians on his horse, and my God those double bass drums were hitting like horse hooves and that imagery is imprinted in my brain until the end of days.

Also that scene where the Glanton gang remenisces on meeting The Judge. I was listening to The Strong from the Good, the bad and the ugly. WOW that scene where he's crafting the gunpowder from batshit and piss, with that playing. Tooooo goood.

Not to mention the whole climax scene where The Judge is stalking them across the desert. Not to mention all of The Judge's dialogue. Brother this is all peak shit. If you can not enjoy that, then you got filtered badly.

>>24682527
Lol

>>24681492
It’s telling how his point went right over your head and you immediately resorted to attacking the “characters” Having read both, it’s clear that what he meant is that the two are evil manipulators with a corrupting presence, no real concern for others, and an ability to master any language with ease, while also going on philosophical tangents from time to time. The irony of you accusing someone else of being incapable of understanding while showing such weak reading comprehension yourself is hard to miss.

Oh no another plotfag filtered...

>>24680139

You will never exist without his consent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWVET0PvbCo

>>24680139
I'm afraid you're getting IQ filtered

>>24680139
I feel like Blood Meridian is one of those you just have to read twice minimum.

>>24682668
>attacking the “characters”
Nothing in that reply was an attack on any character. Are you physically retarded?

>>24682668
That anon’s point was that McCarthy is not using his characters like a typical novelist would. In fact the environment is more of a fleshed out “”character by far, and focusing on the judge or the kid is completely missing the point of what he’s trying to do. So yeah you did just admit here to be filtered lmao

>>24680139
>filtered by a book for midwit 20-somethings
The state of this board

>>24680139
It's good, but pales in comparison to its father (moby dick)

>>24682969
>>24683348
>>24683368
>It's not about whether he wrote something good and worth reading, it's about his thesis bro

>>24683372
>implying this book has a thesis
Your obsession with the surface level aspects of the book is why you’re getting mocked. McCarthy has no “thesis” beyond insisting his book be placed within the literary canon: for that reason, he is pretentious and his book is for midwits.

You whining about long sentences and descriptions is not a critique, you’re just a histrionic retard who can’t even climb up the first step.

>>24683385
>it's not about the story
>it's not about the characters
>it's not about the prose
>there is no point he was trying to make
>there is only one correct interpretation, and it's my psychoanalysis of McCarthy
Speaking of pretentious retards

>>24683400
The prose is great though I'm afraid you're just filtered thoughbeit

>>24683400
>Midwit meltdown
Reading the Wikipedia page that outlines all the shit McCarthy was trying to allude to is not psychoanalysis. This anon said it best: >>24683370

You sound like a faggot waxing nostalgic about the beautiful story and prose. Learn to read before embarrassing yourself.

>>24683414
He alludes to other works? What a perceptive reader you are. Guess you can infer his singular intent and safely ignore all other aspects of the book. Not sure why you're having a meltie

>>24683425
>He alludes to other works?
It took you three replies to realize this. Before you called it a “thesis,” then “psychoanalysis.” And nowhere did anyone say to “ignore everything”….again your disordered mind is hallucinating things. Please take your meds.

>>24683400
>>24683414
You fellas should stick to manga and Stephen King.

>>24683400
If you think an novelist's business is to "make a point" you're a baby.

>>24683483
OP is just angry there isn’t a power system in BM. He wants there to be lore on the judge’s backstory and a detailed layout of his abilities.

Plenty of renowned critics and authors have praised McCarthy's work so who cares what /lit/ fags think. But ultimately if you don't get it you don't get it. Pearls before swine kinda deal.

>>24683370
Moby dick is poor man's Blood meridian

>>24683414
Shut up, melvillenpc

>>24680139
poor man's Eden Eden Eden

>>24683494
Inb4
>Uh so you’re saying the book is only good because of other faggots talking about it? Not because the book is good? I am very smart

>>24683465
>don't focus on the superficial aspects like story characters or theme
>there's no point either though, he just wanted to get canonized (his ghost told me this)
>who said to ignore everything? I certainly didn't by rendering all aspects of the novel pointless or superficial besides my specific analysis of McCarthy's intent
The absolute state of Krugertards

>>24683483
It's literally one of King's top 10 favorite novels lmao

>>24683574
Just because you put it in a greentext doesn’t mean it happened. Why are you having a mental breakdown over being told literary allusions exist?

>>24683585
>Your obsession with the surface level aspects of the book is why you’re getting mocked. McCarthy has no “thesis” beyond insisting his book be placed within the literary canon
So if it's misguided to focus on the surface level aspects of the book, and it's also pointless to try to discern what he was saying with the book, because the only reason he wrote it was to be put in the literary canon, please explain to the plebs what they should focus on when discussing the book. Ostensibly its references, which omits all the tangible content of the book. It's also retarded to insist the function of allusions is to "insist the book be placed within the literary canon" but if you can say that with a straight face clearly you're too dense for reason to penetrate.

>>24683613
You are the one who called for a thesis. I said there wasn’t one, but if there was, it would have something to do with asking why McCarthy constantly invoked other works. Then you misinterpreted that to be a thesis, for some reason.

It’s hilarious how we both agree the book is shit, but your dysgenic mind is so geared for disagreement that you’re still chasing at shadows like a dog. What a miserable life you lead lmao

>>24683613
>>24683641

Crab bucket mentality

>>24683613
lotta words for someone who claims to think the book is bad….lol

>>24683641
I never said there was a thesis either retard. The fact you think you're onto something by noticing he references and takes inspiration from other works and that you refuse to address the question shows how dumb you are.
>It’s hilarious how we both agree the book is shit, but your dysgenic mind is so geared for disagreement that you’re still chasing at shadows like a dog. What a miserable life you lead lmao
Ah, projection. The final defense of the exposed peabrain

>>24683659
>I never said there was a thesis either retard
You are writing paragraphs trying to disprove the idea that only allusions matter, even though I never argued that. I just said they are an aspect you didn’t account for, and you proceeded to have a meltdown. Histrionics like this can’t be good for your blood pressure.

Sometimes a writer writes a story because he thinks of a scene and the scene stirs something in his soul and the story unfolds from that scene. Or he fictionalizes a historical account like McCarthy did in Blood Meridian, probably because the idea thrilled him. Why did it thrill him? Goodness knows. Maybe not even he himself could have told you. You dorks leave no room for mystery. Everything needs to be spelled out and logically arranged like an instruction manual or systematic theology or computer code. All books need to be a philosophical thesis plainly stated, a medieval morality play, a children's book with a moral clear as daylight. If you can't see why this is a dumb approach to literature then I can't help you.

>>24683613
niggas geekin out over a corncob

>>24683676
Seems you don't want to actually commit to saying anything at all knowing you don't have anything of value to say

>>24683701
>bro commit to a position
Again, there was no thesis to begin with. Do you have Asperger’s?

>>24683711
Well my thesis is you're a pseud who just discovered what allusions are. Glad we can leave it at that

>>24683727
You clearly didn’t, which is why you sperged out for the entirety of the thread. Keep coping lmao

There are good action western books if that's what you're looking for, you won't impress anyone but they're pretty entertaining.

>>24683744
Nobody's impressed that you're reading the reddit McCarthy, it's just really fun

Mccarthy's words and prose are "obscure" if you're a retarded zoomer who has no knowledge of old literature-which is precisely why this board loved blood meridian so much before some retard made a video out of it.
if you read old literature, the bible, etc blood meridian's words are not obscure or antiquated at all

>>24683751
Thanks for the input, retard, but I didn't express any opinion on McCarthy.

ITT
>retards who got filtered
>election tourists who only know this book as the heckin wendizoomer scary man
>faggots who think it's bad for retarded reasons
>faggots who treat literature like social currency instead of high art
>christcucks and conservacucks who got upset at the subject matter

>>24683759
Bible isn't literature

>>24683788
It absolutely is.

>>24683796
No it's scripture

>>24683782
t. retard who thinks he’s above it all

>>24683400
McCarthyfags really are pretentious snobs. Holy shit.

Im about halfway through and i've got to say, im not a fan of this 'judge' character, bit of an odd looking duck but you know, he sounds like a real jerk !

>>24683483
>stick to manga
Gladly

>tards ITT say they aren’t filtered
>incapable of parsing out half of the replies
They try to bait and hook themselves to their own poles.

>>24680316
>fluorescent moonlight painting the skeletonic mountain ridge in pale contours or shit like that”, it’s just too much.
If that sentence is "too much" for you then you're completely retarded, not joking. Are you ESL? The only way I can see someone struggling with that sentence is if they're mentally stunted or just barely know english. Either way you've proved that you have no business reading and should stop posting on this board. It's depressing that I have to share a board with subhumans like you.

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>>24680139
>Been hearing about this on 4chan for about two years, specifically /k/ loving the the villian
>Decide to start reading again
>Remember I like to
>Read two books in three days
>Buy this book on return trip to the bookstore
>Come to /lit/ to see if they're talking about the books I read already
>Shitting on a book I just bought

>>24683860
You know it’s worth reading when the tards who hate it are disagreeing with each other on what parts are problematics.

There hasn't been a good American writer since Faulkner. Stop trying to force your garbage on the rest of the world just because you're intellectually starved.

>>24683868
It's "pseudbait the novel" so it's impossible to focus on one particularly flawed area. The entire thing is artificial

>>24683930
>artificial

fucking lol

>>24683860
It is identifiable and therefore cool to denigrate, simple as. I would pay it no heed.

>>24683400
Best post ITT no one knows what the fuck this book is even about and thats why it's shit and reddit.

>>24683860
Its okay animetroon. There is not one single book that lit dosent hate. BM is a special case because there is atleast 2-3 BM threads at any one time therefore it is one of the most hated.

>>24680139
The Rick & Morty of literature.

>>24684038
>I don't know what this book is about so I will cope by calling it shit and reddit

Fix'd

>>24682219
Have YOU ever read Tolstoy? The man writes his great stories effortlessly and gets his point across in a lucid manner.

>>24683855
Calm down. You know that we can have disagreements on literary style?

>>24684540
McCarthyfags cannot comprehend the concept of opinions.

>>24684864
How much longer do you intend to seethe over Mccarthy? You have been going on and on for the past 5 years

>>24684909
Case in point: this schizo who thinks anyone who dares not suck off McCarthy is one singular person. Unable to comprehend that people can simply dislike the author and/or book.

>>24680139
At the risk of sounding like a raging douchebag I'll say that it's art. Or a book trying to be art. That's why it's written like that and why it would be weird to film.

>>24684113
And here is your chance to tell us!

>>24684973
Cmon dude, it's embarrassing now

>>24685057
Only thing embarrassing is your refusal to accept differing opinions.

Americans can't produce good literature, or any art, for that matter.

>>24685055
It's a meditation on the evergreen nature of violence and its role in the foundation of the modern day west

>>24683613
The most pseud response this entire thread. Holy shit

>>24683514
Melville is leagues above McCarthy. it's legitimately not a contest. Moby Dick did everything Blood Meridian attempted to do a century earlier.

>>24685899
Yawn

>>24685893
Go ahead and explain why. Surely you won't also commit yourself to simply flinging insults while refusing to even begin to cover what's supposedly obvious to enlightened minds.

>>24685949
You’re a pseud for responding to every single obvious bait ITT. Less posty, more meds takey.
>inb4 “that’s not an argument….tell me what’s wrong with my argument….im not a pseud….”

>>24685899
Lol. Seething Melvillenpc. It couldn't have done everything better because it didn't even do most of the stuff Mccarthy put in his book. Melville did not have the vision for a book like Blood Meridian. He was content with writing Emerson/Carlyle fanfiction.

>>24685988
>it's all bait bro you thought I was serious???
>I inb4d you calling me out on the very pseud deflection you predicted so it doesn't count
Kek I'm graduating from this cesspit bye losers

>>24686014
Smart move

>>24686014
No don’t leave. Keep doing that. You know, that thing where you constantly reply to obvious bait and continue to make a pseud of yourself. Your lack of impulse control is funny.

>>24686014
>I’m graduating
you immediately jumped to respond to someone replying to a post you made a day ago. don’t lie