Is this what it feels like to read "a classic that everybody has copied, so it doesn't feel new"?This was derivative and shallow as fuck
>derivative>doesn’t say what it was derivative ofWe’re waiting.
>>24680932read the first line
>>24680934Read my reply again. You contradicted yourself in your own post. What a failure lmao
>>24680972It feels derivative of today's standards. I literally said that in the first line.
>>24680927It’s over. You lose.
>>24680999You don’t know what derivative means. Absolute state of /lit/
>>24681007The themes of the book, disillusionment of the american dream, the corrupting influence of wealth and social class, the destructive nature of materialism, the superficiality of love and marriage, have becomed cliched. The "Absolute state of /lit/" is obnoxious, smug, shameless niggerbrained pedant faggots being willfully obtuse. Very jewish behaviour
>>24681165“Cliche” is also wrong. How can something be a cliche if it was one of the first to propagate those themes? You’re looking for the word “repetitive.” How dumb are you, to pretend to have read so much that you find the classics repetitive, when you can’t even articulate the right words to convey that pseudery? What a failure of a creature you are…..hilarious.
>>24680927Off topic but while didn't enjoy The Great Gatsby in school Fitzgerald does a good job of exposing the shallowness of the nouveau richeBetween the absence of aristocracy and the unchecked cultural decline in America, our elite are broadly lowbrowAt this point I'd give anything to bring back the Medicis
>>24681201>At this point I'd give anything to bring back the MedicisThat’s how you know it’s gotten bad.
>>24681188My guess is that OP is a freshman in high school and only read this because it was an assignment for English class. Even that is probably giving them too much credit — more likely they just watched some shitty video essay on YouTube
>>24680927>>24681222When OP is older he will enjoy it more. He is simply too young for it and it is wasted on him.
>>24681188Recurrent is the word you're looking for you fools. I honestly can't believe what's happened to lit. I'm currently spitting on my carpeted floor in disgust at all of you ignorami.
>>24681261Explain the difference between repetitive and recurrent in one sentence or you’re a pseud. Then in a short story. Then in a three act play. Then in an epic you perform and send via video recording
>>24681271Not happenin capin
>>24681310I always knew you were a pseud.
>>24680927Please keep in mind it was a book for Amerimutts, who are mostly illiterate
>>24681188I didn't say it was cliche, much less at the time it was published. I said the themes it conveys have become cliched, which is what OP is describing. Vomit-worthy pilpul attempt, you should be killed
>>24681165This has got to be b8
>>24681516I don't understand. So your complaint of the book is that its themes over time became cliche?
>>24681524>your complaintI'm not OP, retard. lmao. I dont care about this slop they feed highschoolers. Rope now
>>24681516>samefaggingYou are the OP, it’s clear as trip from the entire exchange. How embarrassed are you that you got clocked as a pseud right away? >uh I called the themes cliche, not the bookThen why did you post an image of a book then, you fat retard? Learn what words mean or I’ll abuse you again.
>>24681537>defends OPs position>hehe nice try thats not my positionGood one?
>>24681537>bro I’m not OP, I just randomly replied about themes of a book I don’t care aboutSuch cope.
>you cant just whimsically come into this thread and point out that I argue like a kike!! defend OP at once!!!Absolute state lmao
>>24681579Just give up, man
>Guys this book is derivative>Wait I meant it it’s a cliche>No I mean the themes are cliche, who cares about the bookYou could have saved yourself some embarrassment by just calling the book garbage. Plenty would have agreed. Instead you hooked yourself on your own bait and we’re all watching you bleed out. Good riddance faggot
>>24681595>Wait I meant it it’s a cliche>No I mean the themes are clicheAgain, I never said it was cliche lmao you misread my comment, literally all you can do is pilpul and kvetch, so jewish it's hilarious. The collective anger at OP for critizing this goyslop is highly amusing
>>24681636>I’m not OP guys, I’m just monitoring this thread and responding to every negative reply like a normal anon doesI saged that reply just to see and of course you came crawling back. And if you’re calling the themes of a book cliche…then you’re implying the book itself is cliche. Which is why you gave us that sparknotes infodump like the obedient aspie you are. So embarrassing….
>>24681655So far I've only responded to you because of how profoundly retarded your comments are lmao. You're funny
>>24681680>You’re the only one I responded to…even though I just referenced a reply I made earlierImagine being so flustered that you forget who you’re samefagging as. Fucking hilarious lmao
>>24681680Bro just close the thread and try to forget about what happened here today. We have all been there
>>24681689>Imagine being so flustered You've been seething for hours about a milquetoast critique of a book for 8th graders lol. All kikes know is projection. hilarious indeed>>24681695I cant lol. i hope this stays up for 4 days
>>24681708>milquetoast critiqueWhat critique? You called it “derivative” while meekly conceding in the same post that it was a “classic that everyone has copied.” You refuted yourself without realizing, then had a meltdown. Sad!
>>24681165based
>>24680927>great gatsby referencehttp://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/stoddard-t-lothropStoddard, T. Lothrop 1883–1950In the opening pages of The Great Gatsby, F. Scott Fitzgerald’s classic Jazz Age novel about wealthy “careless people,” the character Tom Buchanan is depicted as an arrogant, immoral bully and a white supremacist. “Have you read ‘The Rise of the Colored Empires’ by this man Goddard?” he asks the novel’s narrator, noting that “it’s a fine book and everybody ought to read it. The idea is if we don’t look out the white race will be—will be utterly submerged. It’s all scientific stuff; it’s been proved.” While Buchanan might have been a product of Fitzgerald’s imagination, every well–informed reader at the time recognized his comment as a reference to The Rising Tide of Color against White World–Supremacy by T. Lothrop Stoddard.
>>24681165You were close on one thing, everything else was wrong.
>>24682360>>24681522no argument>>24681188>>24681222can't readthe absolute state of /lit/
>>24681919Classics becoming unreadable because you've read all the works that copied them first is a very known phenomenon. Don't know why you're going all-in on this
I read this book but I honestly don't get most of itmuh american dream
>>24682377>>24682390>Still samefagging to bump his dead thread hours laterYou should stop parroting the original post and use phrases other than “absolute state of lit,” if you want to convince others there are anons dumb enough to reply to every negative response here. Imagine being so much of a pussy that you hide behind this song-and-dance of “it sooo cliche” as if you didn’t just admit you think the book is goyslop. Talk about that: why is it goyslop? Give us your opinion. Stop being such an evasive faggot, why are you so insecure of what others think?
>>24682989wat
>>24680934>>24680927>>24680999>>24681165“Feels derivative thanks to knock offs” is not the same as “is derivative”. Why are you so retarded?
>>24681636>>24681516>g-g-guys I said pilpul stop saying I’m retarded!
>>24681708>i hope this stays up for 4 dayslmao
>>24682983>muh american dreamThe book has nothing to do with the American dream
>>24682989>>24683067>>24683071>>24683072>HAHAHAHAHAHA GUYS WE GOT HIMMMMM
How does /lit/ do it? Even with all it's flaws it still manages to maintain a level of quality far above the other media boards.
>>24684492If by "quality" you mean midwits baiting midwits then not really, it's the same shit as everywhere else
>>24684492>/lit/ user>it's flaws>it is flawslmao pottery
>>24682989The book is goyslop, always was, and its goyslop themes, while at one time novel have since become cliche from overuse. The fact this upsets you so much is hilarious. Talk about that: why isn't it goyslop? Give us your opinion. Stop being such a jewy faggot, why are you so insecure of what others think?>everyone itt is samefagging but meThis sure doesnt seem like projection lol>>24683067>>24683071>>24683072kvetching isnt an argument schlomo lol
>>24683322Then I really didn’t get it. The rise and fall of the economic bubble of the time? The sudden death of dreams? The reality of a party where everyone was hooking up then the music was over and normies had to deal with the aftermath?,Racist chuds get the girls while incels never will?
>>24685348The OP literally never said it's not goyslop
>>24685740It's a jew falseflagging, you can even tell by the wojaks.dont reply to him
>”Guys I’ve read so many books so this is just derivative”>Doesn't know what derivative means >Not a single other book published after is discussed At least make your lies somewhat convincing.
>>24683072>>24683355>>24685348very natural flow of replies here. definitely not this sad OP playing dolls with wojaks after getting BTFO his own thread. keep bumping, i’m sure someone will take pity and defend you eventually lmao
>>24683322what a retard. waste of digits
>>24681165Im sorry, but this seems like a surfacelevel understanding that doesnt even address the more ruminative parts of the book.The book is much more about the ineffable nature of an ideal rather than something as crass as "the disillusion of the american dream" or "the corrupting influence of wealth and social class"how can you read something like:>Its vanished trees, the trees that had made way for Gatsby’shouse, had once pandered in whispers to the last and greatest of allhuman dreams; for a transitory enchanted moment man must have held hisbreath in the presence of this continent, compelled into an aestheticcontemplation he neither understood nor desired, face to face for thelast time in history with something commensurate to his capacity forwonder.and not come away with a deeper appreciation for the human capacity to dream.Wealth, class, and americana are just the stage dressing for an examination of the wonderful but fragile nature of the dreamer more broadly speaking.
>>24686539another one of my favorite quotes:>Daisy put her arm through his abruptly, but he seemed absorbed in what he had just said. Possibly it had occurred to him that the colossal significance of that light had now vanished forever. Compared to the great distance that had separated him from Daisy it had seemed very near to her, almost touching her. It had seemed as close as a star to the moon. Now it was again a green light on a dock. His count of enchanted objects had diminished by one.fuck > It had seemed as close as a star to the moonis such a great line. An ideal that seams just a hands breadth away from an object, but once you get to the object, it turns out to be lightyears away from that ideal, like the moon really is away from the stars compared to how it seems to be from earth. and that spark of incomparable inspiration dies with that realization.
>>24682320>turned out Tom was right about everything What did Fitzgerald mean by this
I have a vague memory of when I read it a second time years later and found myself thinking his approach to description almost felt like parody, though that was surely not intended. It's just so particular in structure.Also Nick was a bit of a homo, which I didn't notice in high school.
>>24685775>le semanticskys already
>>24687531>whatWHITE POWERRRRRRRRR
>>24687531Tom was the chad while Gatsby was the incel
