>The further you get out of line with your intentions, the more distrustful she will be of your actions and words. And the more distrustful she is, the more insecure she will feel and the creepier you become. For instance, if you approach a woman and stand there and talk about the weather, but you’re staring at her rack the whole time while licking your lips, then you will come cross as creepy. Your actions and words are completely out of line with your intentions and she can see that.>Even if you tell her honestly, “You have great tits,” you will be creepy. Not for lack of intention, but because she doesn’t know you and most women are not comfortable being sexual around men they don’t know. Trust takes time. She has to see that your actions line up with your intentions before she can feel comfortable exposing herself to you and making herself vulnerable.>Women have a lot more to lose from expressing their sexuality than men do. They make babies. We don’t. They get raped and/or sexually assaulted at a startlingly high rate. We don’t. They have five thousands years of sexist cultural history making them feel like a slut. We don’t.>The second you make them feel uncomfortable sexually is the second you become a creep and the second she’s finding an excuse to get away from you as fast as she can.>This is why vulnerability is so huge. When you’re vulnerable around someone you don’t know, it elicits trust in them and they will become more vulnerable toward you in return. The more vulnerable a woman is willing to be around you, the less likely you will be to creep her out.Is he right?
>>24682825>words words wordsIf a girl likes you she likes you and that is generally decided within 5 seconds. Same in the other direction btw. Stop trying to game people.Mystery method is the better book btw if you absolutely insist on turning your human interactions into some optimized game.
>>24682825Yes, in the sense that all he's trying to do 2 things: stop you from dumping your brain in a girl's lap in an attempt to get her to like you and make you understand that having a girl feel safe around you is good.
women fuck strangers at the club all the time. Its only in the "dating game" you get this shit. If the right guy she wishes would come up to her, grab her, kiss her with no question, tell he he wants to fuck her. If its the guy she wishes did that? Its fine.>How about women being told to be genuine. Don't flirt with guys you don't want to date. It works both ways, but here its all on the men. Being told to do "whatever a woman thinks she even wants this week".
>>24682825>five thousands years of sexist cultural history"we were wrong for five thousand years but I just happened to be born in the fifty-year window where we finally figured it out"incels really are the biggest simps
>>24682825I miss the nazi regime
>>24682825No. I've creeped women I had no interest in because I was an awkward loser.
>>24682838>>words words words>If a girl likes you she likes you and that is generally decided within 5 seconds.this is true, but we literally do need to hand out at least 20 or 30 page essays of common sense to autist to fucking stop creeping out people. after that you have a better base for these 5 first seconds, otherwise you don't even stand a chance. just learning to not creep the fuck out of a woman goes a long way, it's the minimum necessary effort everyone has to make
F*CK Just look up the dude and his wife, you'll know if he's right or not.
>>24682838its the r9k crowd
>>24682825bullshit. I've talked to an ugly woman at a bar I obviously had zero interest in and she still acted like hot shit. maybe it's the setting, but most of them are retarded, and even if you want to look beyond appearances and hear what they are about they do the stop flirting/I have a boyfriend routine. so i just said vaccines cause cancer and left kek
>>24683141I don’t remember seeing you there. And EVERYONE there visited the strudel arrangement that Helga set up.
>>24682825Man I wish women didn't gatekeep reproduction and we could just fuck them whenever
>>24683599The fact you didn’t take the opportunity to just talk in hopes of meeting her hotter friends is such sad self-sabotage. But yeah sperging out in public is a great look.
>>24683141Agreed.Tired of modern bitchy entitled feminists.
>>24682825I tried out the lessons of his book and the most that ever happened was that women would pity me with their eyes.
>>24683683You are supposed to figure out what your passions are and start pursuing those, that was a really important part of the book.
>>24683687It was a while ago since I read the book, and I'm not going to begin to sit down on the proverbial psychiatrist's chair for long, but 100% of my hobbies are sad old man hobbies to do at home because I have grown into a misanthrope and genuinely do not enjoy the company of people or spending money to be around people.You CAN be vulnerable to women and attempt to reach and understanding but the expectation that a woman is going to do anything more than feign pity is naive.The book had good intentions, but neglects to mention the amount of men who simply live in scarcity or got bullied relentlessly. Women look at men with yearning and passion like figures for their latest instagram post.
>>24683718I mean, you also have to figure out how to enjoy people to some degree before attempting dating. I was also bullied a lot, but I don't remember women pitying me.
>>24683612evil way of thinking and it's better to not be evil
Is this book worth dipping into? I'm a kissless, handholdless virgin.
>>24684249Same, mid 30s and never really tried, it was mainly my anxiety but I'm getting help for that now, feels too late to fix sometimes though
>>24684249>>24684284It's a decent starting point
>>24684804okay
>>24684811Also read the Mystery method as >>24682838 mentioned if you want to learn all the techniques you must apply if you want to succeed with women.
>>24683477>bogged scamfluencer>met her at a nightclub in Brazil and she initially shot him down>things only worked out after they met again hours later and she "got to know him" (learned that the guy who gave her the ick was actually a successful american influencer/author)Lmao. I'm from her city and know dozens of women just like her. A middle class brazilian white girl is one of the most frivolous, materialistic and self-serving beings you will ever meet.>>24683599Hoeflation is so high that even a 3/10 hambeast thinks that she is God's gift to men.
>>24682825>>Women have a lot more to lose from expressing their sexuality than men do. They make babies. We don’t. They get raped and/or sexually assaulted at a startlingly high rate. We don’t. They have five thousands years of sexist cultural history making them feel like a slut. We don’t.What a tired bunch of tripe. Women have never been less punished for expressing their sexuality, women have never had more options for not having babies, women report a lot of rape but as recent years have revealed how much of that is just regret?Garbage.
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>>24684284The author of No More Mr. Nice Guy didn't start dating until 40, and is married now (dont look up his wife) but the point is that it's never too late. Good luck.
>>24682825>Is he right?sometimes yes, sometimes no. it's a book by a rich boy turned passport bro telling you what worked for him. i would say that he is wrong on creep and vulnerability.
>>24686728>i would say that he is wrong on creep and vulnerabilityElaborate
>>24682838>If a girl likes you she likes youThis is the golden rule. Cannot be emphasised enough. If a girl thinks you are cute and likes your vibe, you have to try very hard to fuck it up (or just do nothing and let it waste away on the vine). If a girl doesn't think you're cute, there's almost literally nothing you can do to convince her otherwise. The only proper advice is to do the bare minimum expected if an adult (hygiene, job etc.) in order to make it easier for yourself, aggressively pursue activities that will allow you to regularly talk with women (dating apps, bars, book club, sports, AmDram, doesn't fucking matter) and then BEEE yourself and have fun with it, making sure to make a move when you start to like a girl and accepting that whether she reciprocates or not is out of your hands. Everything else is irrelevant. Stop trying to dance monkey dance for ladies, it just builds resentment.
>>24682838You can impact whether she will like you in those first five seconds. They are also just as fickle about deciding they don’t like you. In both instances she is mostly reading cues about your genetic fitness and social status (this doesn’t necessarily have to be money, in some specific subcultures money would actually be a turn off because it implies you care about the wrong things and that her friends won’t like you).Once you get good enough at managing perceptions to get laid it generally becomes far more trouble than it’s worth. It might be easier if you’re really good looking, but if you were you probably wouldn’t be posting in a thread like this one.>>24682984>Don't flirt with guys you don't want to date.It’s very rare for women to do this naively or for the purposes of manipulation. What is actually happening is that you’re desperate so you interpret normal pleasantries as subtle hints that she wants to fuck you, then you get mad at her for rejecting you when she was really just trying to be polite. You aren’t in the friendzone if you haven’t intentionally spent time alone with her, you’re just a dude she knows.
>>24684939>hurr things aren't as bad as they were a thousand years ago when women were literally property, therefore women have nothing to worry about and i am not a woman-hating psychpath even though i obviously am
>>24684939The book was released in 2011. He isn’t wrong about the game theory being different; you’d hear the same thing on HBD evopsych blogs back then. The social consequences have eroded significantly, but I suspect we will see that trend reverse in the coming decade. Zoomers have watched the SSRI-fuelled meltdowns of their millennial relatives and are showing less interest in casual sex.
>>24687862Please stop posting here.
>>24682838Mystery Method is not a good book because it’s for pursuing 9-10s. Most guys haven’t even seen one
>>24682825Even though this guy is white and has statusmaxxed and moneymaxxed with his coping manuals, he still had to go to Brazil to get an ugly wife. This is because he is a 4-5 in terms of looks. Sexual/romantic attraction is not about attitude, confidence, intention or showing vulnerability, it is only about highly inherited, mostly immutable characteristics. He mentions that females have a high investment in reproduction, but does not realise that this causes them to seek the males of high genetic quality. Being a "creep" = being ugly.
>>24687954There is nothing wrong with this btw. Women are doing God's work. There is no bigger tragedy than another generation of ugly men.
>>24687962You fail to understand that the current state of things will produce just as many ugly men, for it allows ugly/low iq women to reproduce more than men who are better looking/more intelligent. Natural selection does not lead to an objectively "better result", if the environment is such that low iq or ugly people reproduce more, then they will be selected for.
>>24687811creepiness is how unattractive one is.vulnerability is unattractive unless it is expressed in a particular way, i.e. one is vulnerable due to x, but one doesn't need their partner's help to resolve it and has a solution/path to resolve the vulnerability.
>>24683477I think a lot of desperate guys would be thrilled to have her
>>24687862you need to go back
>>24682825The first part seems strangely argued to me because he's setting up this pithy thesis about how creepiness revolves around inauthenticity but immediately concedes that actually no, there are other more important factors ("Even if you tell her honestly...") and authenticity isn't really a useful heuristic. But setting that aside, I find the conclusion even more bizarre:>When you’re vulnerable around someone you don’t know, it elicits trust in them and they will become more vulnerable toward you in returnHuh? Being vulnerable around a random stranger is strongly associated with mental illness and personality disorders because it shows a poor understanding of distance and comes off like you're trying to force yourself into their confidence, something that is supposed to be earned over time. If anything it's even more creepy than a hip-fired pigheaded comment
>>24682825either virgin or really tall
>>24682825These books that are in or adjacent to PUA culture are fucking retarded.It's all about looks. The "successful" PUAs were tall and handsome. The ugly ones got busted making fake videos with rent-a-models.Mystery had a TV show training guys in "pick up," and only the good-looking participants got anywhere. That was the end of the TV show.
>starts out saying you have to be honest>then says being honest is bad if she doesn't know youSo... I'm supposed to just be better at lying to women? That seems to be the thrust of his rambling reasoning here. If a woman doesn't know me from Adam any kind of overt sexual comment is "creepy", even if it's completely honest. So where does that leave me? I either don't interact with women I'm attracted to and want to sleep with, or I lie to them.
>>24687870PUA shit started in the late '90s but became popularized around 2005. It was always a cope for ugly dudes and a money-maker for grifters. Women didn't suddenly change their script and start drooling over hot guys with the rise of zoomers. Any middle-aged dude who's honest has a thousand anecdotes about the girls in high school gushing over how hot some guy is.
>>24690005Wouldn't a book on how to look handsome make more sense?
>>24686404kek, those gurus inevitably do end up married to buttafaces. I remember seeing David Deangelo's wife. He underperformed and didn't even looks-match.
>>24690018I don't really get it either. He says "just be honest" but then goes "actually don't". So I have no clue what to do.
>>24690030Yes.Many ugly dudes are shit out of luck and no cosmetic surgery will help, but there are some ugly dudes who'd benefit greatly from surgery.
>>24690040There are also non surgical things like how you dress and skincare
>>24690018you have to hang out with other girls while you're holding a mega torch for some oneitis so you won't notice you're attracted to the other girls long enough for one of them to start giving you signals. then you just hope to forget the oneitis at the right moment.
>>24690050>>you have to hang out with other girlssounds like absolute hell, man. Have you heard the kind of inane shit they yammer on about? I guess if I get a lobotomy I might be able to stand it, it might even make me more attractive to them.
>>24684939the sexuality part is effectively: > don't talk about your own sexual exploits> don't talk badly about any woman's sexual exploits so that you aren't talking a woman out of doing something sexual with you> always be encouraging when a woman expresses something sexual to you>>24690030there is a short chapter in the book on looks
>>24690129>there is a short chapter in the book on looksLip service. Looks are the most important thing. Chadfishing A/B tests between dumb af Chad and articulate ugly guy show that.>but irl is differentCringey PUA videos show otherwise. The ugly guys aren't pulling shit.
>>24684249>>24684284this book is obviously reddit tier gaslighting, are you retarded?
>>24687862i am a woman hating psychopath and im proud of it
