the impossible and ubiquitous V represento the search for (ancient) meaning in the modern world, V is Venus, Vheissu, love, life, something-to-settle-my-weary-heart. on the physical plane thoughever, V (the book) is also pynchon's first, and was compiled originally from his short stories, hence the disjointedness. i imagine the V motif was contrived after the fact and implanted into the plotlines after the fact. and the most important thing to understand V is that

>>24685711
>and the most important thing to understand V is that
A-Anon?

>>24685832
'Anon' will not be making any further posts. V does not exist. Cease your queries. This is your first and only warning.

All the best, Agent Krestan

>>24685687
Fausto mostly explains it all. A generation grew up with meaning and purpose defined by the war, than the war ended and they were cast adrift.

>>24685966
What war?

>>24685975
The war which birthed the generation of the novel's present, WWII.

You have to be high IQ to appreciate the chapter In Which Esther Gets a Nose Job.

>>24685982
Clearly he was mad at his ex

>>24685985
>t. mad at his ex
Replace nose with teeth. Also, take in the larger picture regarding cosmetic surgery and its development as presented in V.

>>24685992
Oh you don't actually know haha

i might be crazy but to me it was about war
>V is a goddess of war, or next in the lineage of V goddesses that people use to justify war
>the story is about war becoming a business
>it starts with V as a nun, and leaving, since war is usually waged for higher powers (gods, kings, etc), and also reflected by the tattoo under her wig
>the children of malta strip her for parts in the same way war can accidentally bring about innovation, and how the period
>then she becomes more inanimate, signifying how war is about the soulless corporations, or literally about selling the inanimate weapons
>it gets to the point that she fetishizes melanie (whom she sees herself in) as perversion of the deep desire to get her old self back

>now youve got esther getting a nose job to show how inanimate objects are literally shaping people
>she also snuffs out her unborn child with inanimate medical equipment, commentary on the dying future ig
>there's probably more but it's been a while since i read the book

also stencil is a stand-in for the author i think. he's playing characters and scouring other texts in hopes of a meaning that probably doesn't really make sense to anyone one else, evidenced by how his first time playing characters is also one of pynchons first attempts at stepping in the shoes of those same characters

not sure about benny

take this all with a grain of salt, i like reading books but i can't analyze them for shit

>>24685687
it stands for vagina

>>24686027
Get over "her" already, move on with your life.
>>24686126
If you can not tie in Benny and the whole sick crew, what do you have? Thinking of characters as a stand in for the author is always a trap, while they might be the second you accept them as such you are lost. Accept character's as themselves.

Stencil is no different than any other character in V., he just goes about things a bit differently.

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>>24685711
fpbp

>>24685975
filtered

>>24686126
>V is a goddess of war, or next in the lineage of V goddesses that people use to justify war
retarded
>the story is about war becoming a business
Wrong novel, dipshit
>it starts with V as a nun,
Anon lol no, it does not start with her being a nun. Apparently you were unable to follow the novel and the identity of V.
>there's probably more but it's been a while since i read the book
It's actually less because you dumb nigga
>also stencil is a stand-in for the author i think
Yes every novel contains the self-insert and you figured this one out easily! Good eye! So true!
>he's playing characters and scouring other texts in hopes of a meaning that probably doesn't really make sense to anyone one else
The only thing you've said that has any degree of insight
>not sure about benny
Benny Profane. Profane => Pro Fanus => outside the temple
>i can't analyze them for shit
We know.

>>24686134
>Get over "her" already, move on with your life.
lol

>>24686219
Sorry if I don't know every single war unc

>>24686219
>retarded
but why
>Wrong novel, dipshit
why can't two novels share a theme
>Anon lol no, it does not start with her being a nun. Apparently you were unable to follow the novel and the identity of V.
it's been a while, i forgot that the religion stuff was in the second stencil chapter. my bad. but the bit about moving away from god still stands doesn't it
>Yes every novel contains the self-insert and you figured this one out easily! Good eye! So true!
>The only thing you've said that has any degree of insight
thanks, but also, now i can't tell if the first greentext line here is a joke or not. also is 'every novel has a self-insert' some sort of meme, and is it because it's a surface level analysis or because it's not actually true
>Benny Profane. Profane => Pro Fanus => outside the temple
i mean yeah but what else. i get the aimlessness is supposed to be representative of the people after war or whatever but it's not clear how it'd work with the interpretation i'm trying to work out.

if anything, going by name actually supports this interpretation because everyone else in the whole sick crew is tied to inanimate objects. rachel's got her car, esther's got the nose job, there's the jazz musicians with instrument and the painter with his canvas too. benny is the only one freaked out by all of this, so he's out of the temple of inanimate stuff in that sense
>>i can't analyze them for shit
>we know
what am i doing wrong and how do i get better

>>24686219
>Wrong novel, dipshit
V. deals with that as well but it is not the point of either V. or GR. In context of Pynchon as a whole, this evolution is always a part of his work but it is not just war that drives it.

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>>24686262
>retarded
You said:
>V is a goddess of war, or next in the lineage of V goddesses that people use to justify war
You like the Blood Meridian meme. You've grafted it onto V. and threw it out there. You are a retard.
>V is a goddess
Nope.
>or next in the lineage of V goddesses that people use to justify war
In the remotest way possible are you referring to the non-goddess Helen? See? You're retarded. Q.E.D.
>why can't two novels share a theme
Two novels can share a theme. That's not a theme in this novel. You are probably confusing Chiclitz's appearance with themes in 49 and GR.
>it's been a while
It's been a while since you plowed through the novel so you could check it off the list and claim you read it.
>now i can't tell if the first greentext line here is a joke or not
We know.
>what else.
What is the temple in V.? One of the major divisions in the novel besides the animate and inanimate is The (intellectual) Hot House and The Street. Stencil's investigation of books and reports, the temple of texts, vs Benny being a comedic mischling Kerouac wandering around NYC getting drunk and getting first hand experience that doesn't make it into the history books.

Here's
What We Say Happened (Stencil & his interpretation)
vs
What Is Experienced (Benny)

Or something... it's just one of the organizing principles for the book.

>the only one freaked out by all of this
Yes, Benny is the schlemiel. He is constantly seemingly harassed by the inanimate. And yeah there's probably a name for the concept of the temple of inanimate stuff.

>>24686674
>You like the Blood Meridian meme
i genuinely don't even know what that is
>Nope.
>In the remotest way possible are you referring to the non-goddess Helen? See? You're retarded. Q.E.D.
okay i see what's going on here. i am retarded but not in the way you think

there's the venus->virgin mary->v theory that gets used a lot when discussing the novel, and my idea of war becoming about systems/weaponry was kind of inspired by that and the fact that it's a clear theme in gr - his next big novel.

i tried to refer to that whole pre-existing comparison by condensing it into a 'goddess of war', even thought that's not at all a correct way of describing it. that's probably why it reads like shit. my point is this: there's been a goddess-figure comparison to v before, and that comparison can be extended to war itself, which lends credence to the idea of her time as the presiding goddess being when war shifts from being 'about gods' to 'about systems and weapons'
>Two novels can share a theme. That's not a theme in this novel. You are probably confusing Chiclitz's appearance with themes in 49 and GR.
i don't remember who that is, also >>24686266 seems to agree with me so i'm gonna assume you just didn't catch onto it
>Or something... it's just one of the organizing principles for the book.
yes, i get that, but just because it's organized that way doesn't make it the whole point of the book does it, especially since
>He is constantly seemingly harassed by the inanimate
seems to imply that there's more to him than just being 'guy who experiences' stuff. it's not completely out of the realm of possibility that benny, a navy member without a war, is being harassed by descendants of the very technological advancements that took over (what should have been) his purpose had things gone differently

idk. it seems like i'm trying to get at a different interpretation of the novel which, granted, isn't very good or original, and expecting you to explain why you think it's 'retarded' and how my logic is flawed. while you're just imposing /lit/-memes and commonly agreed upon interpretations onto my idea and thought process, and incorrectly labeling it as 'retarded' when you mean to say that you feel like it's not the 'right' way to look at the book. we might be expecting different things from each other here

>>24686674
Are you the guy from the GR thread about sentence structure

>>24686760
I am itt but that is not me, Nothing here has grabbed my interest yet so just a few short posts. I would expect that our use of insult sets us apart, I tend not to mix insults into posts where I am trying to explain something and by the time I get to insulting someone I am probably done explaining.

>>24686924
Oh I didn't mean you I think, I meant the guy you were arguing with. He was all insults and memes too

>>24686976
That seems fairly obvious now that look closer, I tend to gloss over posts which use green text as bullet points to refute, they generally don't result in anything but autism.