Old Jung Thread died and it seemed kinda popular here, so I made a new one Are you an extravert or an introvert?"There are in nature two fundamentally different modes of adaptation which ensure the continued existence of the living organism. The one consists in a high rate of fertility, with low powers of defence and short duration of life for the single individual; the other consists in equipping the individual with numerous means of self-preservation plus a low fertility rate. This biological difference, it seems to me, is not merely analogous to, but the actual foundation of, our two psychological modes of adaptation. I must content myself with this broad hint. It is sufficient to note that the peculiar nature of the extravert constantly urges him to expend and propagate himself in every way, while the tendency of the introvert is to defend himself against all demands from outside, to conserve his energy by withdrawing it from objects, thereby consolidating his own position."
>>24686249im 100% an introvert, I avoid people like the plague and I have no relationships or friends and I feel exhausted when I'm forced to interact with peopleKill all extraverts.
>>24686249>are you an introvert or an extrovert >4channel.org>/lit/
>>24686370Good point, it's hard to imagine an extravert would be into literature and anonymous forums
>>24686249Introvert, however I'm on the side that does enjoy social activities (drinking and listening to music, shit talking etc).I prefer smaller crowds and most nights I'm home.I've been thinking a lot about synchronicities and the alchemy rabbit hole Jung was very much down. What evidence of it did he see and was he actually thinking it was the conscious exisiting outside of the mind? He was a scientist but he absolutely respected mysticism. A proper hemetic
"Now, the more the foreseen details of an event pile up, the more definite is the impression of an existing foreknowledge, and the more improbable does chance become. I remember the story of a student friend whose father had promised him a trip to Spain if he passed his final examinations satisfactorily. My friend thereupon dreamed that he was walking through a Spanish city. The street led to a square, where there was a Gothic cathedral. He then turned right, around a corner, into another street. There he was met by an elegant carriage drawn by two cream-coloured horses. Then he woke up. He told us about the dream as we were sitting round a table drinking beer. Shortly afterward, having successfully passed his examinations, he went to Spain, and there, in one of the streets, he recognized the city of his dream. He found the square and the cathedral, which exactly corresponded to the dream-image. He wanted to go straight to the cathedral, but then remembered that in the dream he had turned right, at the corner, into another street. He was curious to find out whether his dream would be corroborated further. Hardly had he turned the corner when he saw in reality the carriage with the two cream-coloured horses. The sentiment du deja-vu is based, as i have found in a number of cases, on a foreknowledge in dreams, but we saw that this foreknowledge can also occur in the waking state. In such cases mere chance becomes highly improbable because the coincidence is known in advance. It thus loses its chance character not only psychologically and subjectively, but objectively too, since the accumulation of details that coincide immeasurably increases the improbability of chance as a determining factor. (For correct precognitions of death, Dariex and Flammarion have computed probabilities ranging from 1 in 4,000,000 to 1 in 8,000,000.) So in these cases it would be incongruous to speak of 'chance' happenings. It is rather a question of meaningful coincidences (synchronicities). Usually they are explained by precognition--in other words, foreknowledge. People also talk of clairvoiyance, telepathy, etc., without however being able to explain what these faculties consist of or what means of transmission they use in order to render events distant in space and time accessible to our perception. All these ideas are mere names; they are not scientific concepts which could be taken as statements of principle, for no one has yet succeeded in constructing a causal bridge between the elements making up a meaningful coincidence (synchronicity)."TL;DR: Jung uses a story of a dream that exactly matched future events to argue that such coincidences are likely meaningful coincidences (synchronicities) rather than mere chance, even though science can’t yet explain them.
all of jung's theories come down to recontextualizing ancient mystical and occult knowledge with fancy latin terms and trying his damndest to not succumb to obvious religious concepts while he's getting manhandled by entities more powerful than he could ever understand. a for effort.
>>24687217He definitely has a very clinical way of describing seemingly mystical phenomena
>>24687237well yeah, he was a doctor
"Great credit is due to J.B. Rhine for having established a reliable basis for work in the vast field of these phenomena by his experiments in extrasensory perception, or ESP. He used a pack of 25 cards divided into 5 groups of 5, each with its special sign (star, square, circle, cross, two wavy lines). The experiment was carried out as follows. In each series of experiments the pack is laid out 800 times, in such a way that the subject cannot see the cards. He is then asked to guess the cards as they are turned up. The probability of a correct answer is 1 in 5. The result, computed from very high figures, showed an average of 6.5 hits. The probability of a chance deviation of 1.5 amounts to only 1 in 250,000. Some individuals scored more than twice the probable number of hits. O one occasion all 25 cards were guessed correctly, which gives a probability of 1 in 298,023,223,876,953,125. The spatial distance between experimenter and subject was increased from a few yards to about 4,000 miles, with n effect on the result.A second type of experiment consisted in asking the subject to guess a series of cards that was still to be laid out in the near or more distant future. The time factor was increased from a few minutes to two weeks. The result of these experiments showed a probability of 1 in 400,000.In a third type of experiment, the subject had to try to influence the fall of mechanically thrown dice by wishing for a certain number. The results of this so-called psychokinetic (PK) exper9iment were the more positive the more dice were used at a time. The result of the spatial experiment proves with tolerable certainty that the psyche can, to some extent,, eliminate the space factor. The time experiment proves that the time factor (at any rate, in the dimension of the future) can become psychically relative. The experiment with dice proves that moving bodies, too, can be influenced psychically-- a result that could have been predicted from the psychic relativity of space and time.The energy postulate shows itself to be inapplicable to the Rhine experiments, and thus rules out all ideas about the transmission of force. Equally, the law of causality does not hold-- a fact that i pointed out thirty years ago. For we cannot conceive how a future event could bring about an event in the present. Since for the time being there is no possibility whatever of a causal explanation, we must assume provisionally that improbable accidents of an acausal nature-- that is, meaningful coincidences (synchronicities)-- have entered the picture." TL;DR: Jung summarizes J.B. Rhine’s ESP experiments, which statistically showed people could correctly guess cards, predict future events, and even influence dice rolls at odds far beyond chance. These results suggest the psyche can transcend space and time, and that such phenomena can’t be explained by physical energy or causality. Jung concludes they point to synchronicities as a real principle at work.
"My example concerns a young woman patient who, in spite of efforts made on both sides, proved to be psychologically inaccessible. The difficulty lay in the fact that she always knew better about everything. Her excellent education had provided her with a weapon ideally suited to this purpose, namely a highly polished Cartesian rationalism with an impeccably 'geometrical' idea of reality. After several fruitless attempts to sweeten her rationalism with a somewhat more human understanding, I had to confine myself to the hope that something unexpected and irrational would turn up, something that would burst the intellectual retort into which she had sealed herself. Well, I was sitting opposite her one day, with my back to the window, listening to her flow of rhetoric. She had had an impressive dream the night before, in which someone had given her a golden scarab-- a costly piece of jewellery. While she was still telling me this dream, I heard something behind me gently tapping on the window. I turned round and saw that it was a fairly large flying insect that was knocking against the window-pane from outside in the obvious effort to get into the dark room. This seemed to me very strange. I opened the window immediately and caught the insect in the air as it flew in. It was a scarabaeid beetle, or common rose-chafer (Cetonia aurata), whose gold-green colour most nearly resembles that of a golden scarab. I handed the beetle to my patient with the words, 'Here is your scarab.' This experience punctured the desired hole in her rationalism and broke the ice of her intellectual resistance. The treatment could now be continued with satisfactory results.This story is meant only as a paradigm of the innumerable cases of meaningful coincidence (synchronicity) that have been observed not only by me but by many others, and recorded in large collections. They include everything that goes by the name of clairvoyance, telepathy, etc., from Swedenborg's well-attested vision of the great fire in Stockholm to the recent report by Air Marshal Sir Victor Goddard about the dream of an unknown officer, which predicted the subsequent accident to Goddard's plane."TL;DR:Jung describes a rational, skeptical patient who was emotionally closed off and resistant to therapy. She told him about a dream of receiving a golden scarab, and at that exact moment, a golden scarab-like beetle tapped at the window and flew into the room. This striking coincidence broke through her rigid rationalism, allowing her to become receptive to therapy. Jung uses this story to illustrate synchronicity—meaningful coincidences that link inner experiences (dreams, thoughts) with outer events in ways that defy causality.
>>24687382>>24687279>>24687206"All the phenomena I have mentioned can be grouped under three categories: 1. The coincidence of a psychic state in the observer with a simultaneous, objective, external event that corresponds to the psychic state or content (e.g., the scarab), where there is no evidence of a causal connection between the psychic state and the external event, and where, considering the psychic relativity of space and time, such a connection is not even conceivable. 2. The coincidence of a psychic state with a corresponding (more or less simultaneous) external event taking place outside the observer's field of perception, i.e., at a distance, and only verifiable afterward (e.g., the Stockholm fire). 3. The coincidence of a psychic state with a corresponding, not yet existent future event that is distant in time and can likewise only be verified afterward. In groups 2 and 3 the coinciding events are not yet present in the observer's field of perception, but have been anticipated in time in so far as they can only be verified afterward. For this reason I call such events synchronistic, which is not to be confused with synchronous."
All those personality tests seem bullshit to me, mbti and enneagram. I get shit different often, it’s usually the same 3 or 4 but it jumps around too much. It seems just slightly more than astrology.
>>24687496psychometrics is bs. type described by cognitive functions is where it's at
