>“Everything is perverted by this civilization, the gentlemen in suits have fouled and besmirched everything. Lithographs and etchings by old dotards like Picasso, Miro, Dali, and others, which are sold in all the stores, have turned art into a huge unclean bazaar. The money they have is not enough, they want more and more. Paintings in oil, in tempera, are not enough; drawings, watercolors, and gouaches are not enough; to make even more money they do their hackwork on stone and put it on sale in hundreds and thousands of copies. They've devalued everything, the bastards. Many of them are burdened with wives and several families, with relatives and friends; they need lots of money. Money, money and the greed for money, guides these wretched old men. Once rebels, they have turned into dirty operators. The same fate awaits the young men of today. This is why I have ceased to love art.”
>>24686638>keep calm
Can endorse pic related.
>>24687249is the movie any good?
Man his early wannabe revolutionary BS is awful, later he cheated up a bit. Some of his early Putin era writing was actually funny. I don't know why people in the west are so hellbent on discovering some secret avant-garde ideology directing things behind the scenes. Russian nationalism is proudly anti-intellectual. As far as it accepts any ideology it is only on the basis that Russia is right.
>>24687342No. The book is significantly better
>>24687468i liked ben whishaw in cloud atlas tho
>>24687517The actor is good and really looks like the young limonov, however, in the movie his entire biography has been boiled down to "how i got buggered by a negro in new york."
>>24687683Was it Chris or Johnny? I hope it was Johnny
>>24686638I'm russian marxist. Limonov was a narcissistic pseud petite bourgeoisie that pretended, in Debord's "Spectacle" meaning, to be revolutionary; it was nothing but a spectacle, a farce. He didn't had proletariat class position to understand proletariat, nor to be revolutionary. Nobody outside of Saint Petersburg and Moscow knew him. His current day party is preoccupied with literal skinheads that get raided by OMOH on a regular basis. Notice how he does not say anything of value in your green text: it's just "le capitalism...turns everything into commodity!" presented as some sort of revelation, and idiotic hate towards art.His books are also pretentious wankery of petite bourgeoisie getting high on his own farts. Don't bother. If you want marxism and capitalism critique, just read Fromm, Althusser, Gramsci, Debord, Fisher, etc.
>>24686638>you can buy things in stores>the west has fallen>art has fallen
>>24687772no you're not. You sound like an average nonce. If you were Russian you would know that his party consisted of liberal romantics with a knack for épatage.
>>24687772>I'm russian marxist. Limonov was a narcissistic pseud petite bourgeoisie that pretended, in Debord's "Spectacle" meaning, to be revolutionary; it was nothing but a spectacle, a farce.I agree but man he was a talented and interesting performer. >>24687973>If you were Russian you would know that his party consisted of liberal romantics with a knack for épatage.The teenager mass was partial that. They get filtered hard by the reality of the NBP (which is poverty and getting punched in the stomach by cops), so only skinheads who get off to that shit remain.
>>24687772Fisher is not petite bourgeois?
>>24687973>liberal romantics with a knack for épatage.First, we call those "poseurs" in Russia, and I agree with your statement that Limonov is a poseur that puffed his own farts in his books "It's Me, Eddie", "Loser's Diary", and most importantly "Ceдoгo гpaфa cын пoбoчный" ("A bastard of gray-haired count"), where he's tracking down his petite bourgeois roots in order to prove the reader that he is, indeed, a petite bourgeoisie, and possibly even haute bourgeoisie, yes-yes, the Great Limonov! (whole book is literally just "me-me-me it's all about me my le noble ancestors"). Revolutionary my ass.Second, liberals are not socialists nor marxists, they're capitalists.Third, his own former party, NBP, was "a party of radical anti-centrism", and as Zakhar Prilepin said, "we are not right wing nor left wing, we're NBP", which is just a code for "we're national socialists". And they're just that, nazis. This is why they got banned in Russia.>>24687981>I agree but man he was a talented and interesting performer. No he was not. He was just an average spectaclist, like any other fraud. If you think he was a talented and interesting performer, I bet you would love Lex Friedman.
>>24687772Yeah instead of reading something that may be entertaining, one should read commieslop and root your brain away with useless theory of a political irrelevant ideology.
>>24688083Every intellectual, per Lenin's rhetoric, is inherently petite bourgeois, and Fisher was no exception. Maxim Gorky was petite bourgeois, too, and Lenin was friends with him nevertheless.
>>24688099>And they're just that, nazis.Nazis would be pissed from being compared to the NBP desu. >He was just an average spectaclistName 5 others like him.
Why are Russians so serious about the most retarded things? Have you ever noticed this? As a people they constitutionally seem to lack any sense of irony or self-awareness. They will proclaim the most absurd ideas with absolute stony seriousness...
I've been to a number of anti-government protests with NBP retards and at least in St Petersburg it's about 70% skinheads 30% drug addicts. I was only introduced to them because my friend went to their headquarters to buy weed. From my few conversations everybody joked that they were paid opposition and were just riding the gravy train. My wife tells me the Moscow chapter was a lot more serious. But in my limited experience there was zero ideology. It was just where you went if you wanted to throw bottles at cops. Surprise! Adam Curtis literally doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. https://youtu.be/x1bX3F7uTrg
>>24688106>Nazis would be pissed from being compared to the NBP desu.Oh yeah I don't see ANY resemblance of NBP flag circa 1993-2007 and nazi Germany flag. NONE. >Name 5 others like him.Okay, let's see, Curtis Yarvin, JD Vance (what a stupid name), Elon Musk, Nick Land, Lex Friedman, also: Joe Rogan, MrBeast. The common theme here is spectaclism and fraudulence. I don't get why you need examples, just read Debord, these kind of parasites are everywhere.>>24688103>entertainingI finished Sacred and Terrible Air and started to read Dune. Is fun.>useless theory of a political irrelevant ideologyAcademic Agent would said otherwise, and his ideology is clearly up your alley.>>24688111>NBP retards and at least in St Petersburg it's about 70% skinheads 30% drug addicts>my friend went to their headquarters to buy weedYeah sounds about right. My friends went there too and nearly got beaten up because nbp retards heard the name "Mark" (nazi decided it's a jewish name).
>>24688124>flag bruh they are edgelords>Curtis Yarvin, JD Vance, Elon Musk, Nick Land, Lex Friedman, also: Joe Rogan, MrBeasAh, yes. That's what I imagine when I think "Liminov" - government functionaries and billionaires. >I don't get why you need examplesBecause it illustrates the distorted, emotional quality of your perception. Everyone knows Limonov was a performer, not a revolutionary. People still appreciate him as a particularly original performer, akin to Harms or Pasternak. You seethe at him so hard you equate him to Hitler and Elon Musk at the same time. That's some borderline schizo shit.
Do you think Limonov's book warrants inclusion on this list
>>24688147>bruh they are edgelordsAh yes, reductio ad absurdum, "dude it's all just a prank! Heil Hitler, dude, lmao!"Have you ever been to Russia? Have you ever seen a nazbol? Have you ever heard what they say, see what they do? No? Then why the fuck this is the hill you're willing to die upon?>Ah, yes. That's what I imagine when I think "Liminov" - government functionaries and billionaires. That's because you're out of your depth here.One of the main seethings of Limonov was the woe that he's not a haute bourgeoisie (that he was destined to be).>Everyone knows Limonov was a performer, not a revolutionary. People still appreciate him as a particularly original performer, akin to Harms or Pasternak. You seethe at him so hard you equate him to Hitler and Elon Musk at the same time.I'm not seething. In fact, I understand why amerilard would love Limonov. America is inherently spectaclist; this is why Trump was re-elected. You said it yourself - performer. And yet, he had a nazi political party that exists till this day (it's called "The Other Russia of E. V. Limonov"). It's just vibes and "bruh" and "edge" and pranks and funny unserious gay talk for amerilards, before someone serious strips you of your basic civic rights. Also, I now realize why you won't get why Limonov was what I say he was. That's because you know nothing about modern russian opposition in exile. People like Ekaterina Shulman, for example, or Yulia Navalnaya. I've seen enough political frauds to know them.
>>24688250>Ah yes, reductio ad absurdumAbsurdity and shock value are the essence of their """""""platform""""""". >Have you ever been to Russia?Yes.>Have you ever seen a nazbol?Yes. I even talked to a good number of them. >Have you ever heard what they say, see what they do?Yes. They say infinitely more than they do.>One of the main seethings of Limonov was the woe that he's not a haute bourgeoisieSort of. And he wasn't. I question your Marxist cred if the actual class reality of an individual is irrelevant to you in the light of his rhetoric.>I understand why amerilard would love Limonov. I am not an Amerilard.>he had a nazi political party that exists till this dayCalling Drigaia Rossija a political party is a tremendous stretch.>just vibes and "bruh" and "edge" and pranks and funny unserious gay talkUnironically. I straight up dismiss your Marxist credentials if you pearl clutch so desperately about an "organization" with absolutely completely entirely purely totally absent political practice. If we talk Russia specifically, there are literal hundreds of former parties, disbanded parties and current meme parties that are infinitely more real as political organizations than the NBP.>That's because you know nothing about modern russian opposition in exileBold claim.>I've seen enough political frauds to know them.The thing that differentiates Liminov from what you call a "political fraud" is that a political fraud turns his clowning on the political arena into his livelihood. I don't see Limonov as a fraud, because he turns his clowning on the political arena into an artistic performance, at the cost of his livelihood and anyone's real political interests. He was an authentic shitposter, and that's tremendously different from the likes of Shulman and Navalnaya (why the two women tho?)
You might want to read Marx's own analysis of what was going on in France before gracing us with your own thinking about the haute and the petty bourgeois.
>>24688321>Yes. I even talked to a good number of them. No you did not. Stop lying. I just posted the photo in the previous post - what does it say? What does it mean? Where did it happen? Can you search it without Google Search? Can you quote exact words of manifesto that nazbols declared about the president of Azerbaijan? And how does it fit into your narrative about "liberal romantics with a knack for épatage" and "bruh edgelords"?>I question your Marxist credLike if I give a shit what a "spiritual aryan" with a chip on his shoulder thinks.>if the actual class reality of an individual is irrelevant to you in the light of his rhetoric.It is irrelevant indeed. Proletarian class reality means nothing without proletarian class position, and Limonov didn't had one. You lack theory.>Calling Drigaia Rossija a political party is a tremendous stretch.And yet you didn't deny that they're nazi. That's progress.>a political fraud turns his clowning on the political arena into his livelihood. I don't see Limonov as a fraud, because he turns his clowning on the political arena into an artistic performanceLiterally potato-potáto. It's literally the same thing. There is nothing real about politics. >Shulman and Navalnaya (why the two women tho?)Because they're not men, last time I've checked at least? Are you implying that it's about gender here?>>24688323Aren't you supposed to be on pro-Palestine protest rn?There's nothing to discuss anymore.
>>24687772>I'm russian marxist.I'd bet you're an American transexual kek
>>24688442only the Russians are still obsessed with muh nazis you have been brainwashed to hate the Azov battalion
are you guys trolling or are you genuinely stupid?
>>24690075What other country could put on a show like thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD_DLhlql2c
>>24688250>Also, I now realize why you won't get why Limonov was what I say he was. That's because you know nothing about modern russian opposition in exile. People like Ekaterina Shulman, for example, or Yulia Navalnaya. I've seen enough political frauds to know them.What do you think of Nevzorov. I'm just curious what a Russian Marxist would think.
>>24690244Which Nevzorov?
>>24688162He should be on every list
