Did the authors of this piece have sleep deprivation? Why did they gloss over the argument that Israel's benefit to the US (yes, unironically) transcends that of a mere military base. The US BEGGED Israel not to involve in the Iraq war, a demand which it acquiesced to (strange, for a nation ''in control'' of the US).Also, if it were truly possible for a foreign nation to just purchase the loyalty of a larger country’s politicians and then recover the cost by pushing legislation that funnels money back, we’d see it happening everywhere. This isn't an exclusively Jewish trait.
>>24688451>Israel's benefit to the US transcends that of a mere military baseElaborate on this argument, if possible from an International Relations perspective, otherwise this thread is just bait. Remember that US support of Israel has historically been the biggest barrier to better relations with Muslim countries, a big factor in the anti-Americanism that prevails among their populations (even in the cases where their dictatorial governments are US-friendly), and the cause of the two oil crises.
>>24688616Israel isn't an "ally." It's a permanent, high-tech, Western-controlled military garrison squatting on the most strategically vital real estate on the planet. You don't ask your garrison to send troops to Afghanistan. You use it to menace your real rivals in the region (Iran, Syria, any potential pan-Arab movement).The aid isn't a "drain." It's an investment. It's the operating budget for an offshore military base and, more importantly, a live-fire R&D lab. The occupation of Palestine is the perfect testing ground for the surveillance tech, crowd control weapons, and drone systems that American and Israeli arms dealers then sell for a massive profit globally. Ever hear of Pegasus spyware? That's the return on investment.The entire "is Israel good for America?" debate is a mystification. The arrangement isn't good for the American working class, but it is immensely profitable and strategically indispensable for the ruling class that actually runs this country.
>>24688616Also, categorically false. The first foreign military excursion the United State orchestrated was against Muslims, over two centuries ago.
>>24688629>squatting on the most strategically vital real estate on the planet.A desert. Lol.
>>24688640The crossroads between Asia, the Mediterranean and Africa.. Positioned strategically near America's enemies, so yeah, if you can read world maps that is pretty vital.
>>24688629surprisingly unretarded post for this websiteonly absolute braindead chuds think israel "controls" the us
>>24688451>if it were truly possible for a foreign nation to just purchase the loyalty of a larger country’s politicians and then recover the cost by pushing legislation that funnels money back, we’d see it happening everywhere. This isn't an exclusively Jewish trait.UNREFUTED. SEETHE you conspiracist. Jews, Freemasons, satanists, globalists, and Qatar's oil money all can't have bought off the US GOV and Influencers at the same time
>>24688668forgot to add, the world is chaos, nobody is in control and letting there be a big bad marvel villain allows smooth brains to feel less anxious about their lives.
>>24688629Good point DESU.
>>24688629What other vassal state had something like AIPAC? Nothing, kike.
>>24688451Its less about the dosh (though a good deal is about it) and more about the "Gods Chosen People who got murdered by the ebil Nazees" angle. That and Shabbos Goy-ism is deeply entrenched in the US gov.So I'd argue it is an exclusivly jewish trait.
>>24688629Jews benefiting Jews, you say.
>>24688667>>24688722>>24688629Israel serves no strategic purpose whatsoever. There are zero US millitary bases in Israel, US projection of power in the reigon comes from Qatar, Diego Garcia and aircraft carriers. I cannot think of any instance where Israeli military support was indispensable for the achievement of an objective important to America. Not only this, but it is actively harmful to the interests of America and pursues its own interests ruthlessly at American expense. They have only served to alienate America from the Arab world and have prevented US companies from working in countries like Iran, Iraq and Libya. They frequently decieve and manipulate America for their own gain, such as giving them fabricated intelligence through the Office of Special Plans saying that Iraq was connected to 911 and had WMDs. The ONLY reason why the US-Israel relationship is the way it is is because of the efforts of organized Jewish Zionists in American politics.
>>24688778Think about what we're told. We're told Israel is a "strategic asset." Okay, how? During the Cold War, its actions constantly destabilized pro-American Arab regimes and pushed them toward the USSR. Today, its brutal occupation of Palestinian territories is the single greatest recruiting tool for jihadists who want to kill Americans. We give them billions in aid and top-tier weaponry, and in return, we get the privilege of being hated across the Middle East for enabling their apartheid-style policies. This is not an asset; it's a massive liability we pay for.The result? The U.S. doesn't have a foreign policy in the Middle East; it has an Israeli-approved policy. We invaded Iraq in 2003—a catastrophic war—driven in no small part by neoconservatives, many deeply tied to the lobby, who argued it would benefit Israel. We have made ourselves complicit in a forever occupation that fuels the very terrorism we're supposed to be fighting.This isn't an alliance. An alliance is a partnership of mutual benefit between equals.This is something else entirely. This is a situation where a smaller, dependent nation, through its viciously effective advocacy within our own political system, has made the most powerful country on earth its passive enabler. We pay for the weapons, we take the diplomatic hits, we absorb the blowback from radicalized enemies, and they do whatever they want.We are not their ally. We are their patron, their slave, and their useful idiot. And the only reason it continues is because a powerful lobby has made it political suicide for any American leader to stand up and say the simple, obvious truth: This is not our fight, and this is not good for America.
>>24688629>western controlledah yes, the classic Marxist take "hur dur the US controls Israel"bite me.
>>24688629Good argument, but what about the open support? If that’s the case, wouldn’t it be a whole lot better to covertly smuggle funds into Israel at this point when they’re openly committing a genocide and their approval rating by the western public is at an all time low? Why would congress applaud Netanyahu like he’s Kim Jong Un if they could achieve those results through black budgets?
>>24688629>arrangement isn't good for the American working classYou could have just said this because it invalidates the rest of your post. Fuck Israel, fuck jews, and fuck interventionism.
>>24688629>most strategically vital real estate on the planet.Name a SINGLE American strategic objective that they need Israel for.
>>24688881This. It’s a tacit admission that it only benefits Israel and its American lackeys in office.
>>24688896Matt Taibbi, a brilliant investigative journalist, once wrote a little skit where he "interviewed" Osama. It went something like>so you hate us for our freedoms right?>"actually we hate you because you support Israel and station your troops on sacred soil>...
>>24688629Disagreed on "the most strategically vital" and "offshore military base" parts for reasons other anons have already mentioned but good point about Israel being a crucial partner in the struggle against the Arab socialists and Iran over the past decades.>>24688918Did they really need a "brilliant investigative journalist" to copy and paste from Osama's letter to America?
>>24688946No but read Taibbi's books to see why I call him that. He famously called Goldman Sachs "the vampire squid on the face of America."
>hate israel >content with the drip-feed of bad news for israel over the last 1-2 years>suddenly yesterday that official internal IDF report on gideon's chariots drops saying more or less "WE ARE FUCKED!!! THIS WAR HAS BEEN A TOTAL DISASTER, AND WE ARE COMPLETELY UTTERLY FUCKED!">drops on channel 12, not haaretz, no doubts about authenticity >entire israel establishment freaking out about it>settler telegrams melting down>comments sections filled with hasbara retards spazzing out failing at damage control>mfw
>>24689473>"WE ARE FUCKED!!! THIS WAR HAS BEEN A TOTAL DISASTER, AND WE ARE COMPLETELY UTTERLY FUCKED!"Leftie anon, such reports are frequent and Israeli society is hypervigilant about every downtick in success. None of this matters though because all your terrorist friends are out of the game. Hizbollah, Iran, Yemen, Hamas. It's over and you know it because one single mission not going to plan is the only positive thing you've had in 23 months. Should have bet on the winning team.
>>24689505>comments sections filled with hasbara retards spazzing out failing at damage control
>>24689513What happened after vidrelated? Did you forget?
>>24689505>Israel’s leadership is facing sharp divisions over the war in Gaza, as a leaked military report questioned the army’s readiness, families of hostages pressed for negotiations, and cabinet ministers clashed over whether to seize Gaza City or pursue a ceasefire deal.>A classified Israel Defense Forces (IDF) assessment, partially leaked to Israeli media, concluded that Operation Gideon’s Chariots—the four-month campaign that ended last month—failed to achieve its central objectives of toppling Hamas and securing the release of hostages. The document, circulated among brigades, criticized the campaign’s reliance on slow maneuvers, repeated tactical errors, and inadequate preparation for guerrilla warfare. It also cited mismanaged aid distribution, which Hamas exploited to mount a public relations offensive portraying Israel as deliberately starving civilians.>The report warned that the army remains ill-prepared for the next mission: a planned takeover of Gaza City. In response, the IDF said the leaked document was distributed without clearance and rejected claims that the operation’s goals were unmet. Still, the revelations have rattled confidence in the government’s military strategy.
>>24689519Okay, no boots on the ground and instead more airstrikes then. This is what you want right? These people would rather fight to the death than accept defeat.
>>24688881Fuck you
>>24689518>>24689530Lmao your fake country is going to implode over trying to take over an enclave of 2 million disarmed Arabs and somehow still managing to fuck it up >The disputes over military strategy have been compounded by domestic political fights. Ben Gvir escalated his ongoing battle with Attorney General Gali Baharav-Miara, threatening to impose new restrictions on protests unless his proposals are approved within 24 hours. The attorney general’s office said the plan violates agreed limits on his authority to direct police operations, particularly in matters relating to freedom of expression. Ben Gvir dismissed the objections as “threats and extortion,” insisting that “determining policy in this context is the legal authority and even the duty of the national security minister.”>Meanwhile, Strategic Affairs Minister Ron Dermer raised the possibility of annexing parts of the West Bank, reportedly focusing on the Jordan Valley. European officials have warned that such a move would draw a harsh diplomatic backlash at a time when many Western governments are edging toward recognition of a Palestinian state.>The cumulative effect of these disputes has been to deepen uncertainty over Israel’s direction in Gaza. Supporters of a phased deal argue that securing the release of even some hostages is a moral and strategic imperative. Critics insist that only a comprehensive agreement that forces Hamas’s total disarmament will bring security.>Netanyahu’s insistence on rejecting incremental deals appears aligned with President Trump’s advice to apply maximum military pressure. But the leaked IDF assessment, Zamir’s warnings about the risks of direct rule, and the pleas of hostage families have raised questions about whether Israel’s leadership can maintain unity as it approaches what could be the decisive battle of the war.For now, Israel is pressing ahead with plans for a Gaza City offensive, even as doubts swirl over its feasibility and its consequences. The fractures at the top—between the army and the cabinet, between hostage families and the government, between ministers and the attorney general—paint a picture of a nation at war with both its enemies and itself.
>>24689535You can get a happy meal in Tel Aviv right now. Meanwhile, people in Gaza are fighting over leftovers because their dumb ass government decided killing a few extra Jews is more important than the wellbeing of their citizens. This is why Israel is the tech capital of the Middle East and Gaza is... yeah, lol. So I don't see your point here besides fuming really hard. Your fantasy is not going to come true. It's been dreamt of for decades, still nothing. Israel faced multiple armies at once and came out victorious BEFORE the US became its ally, so nope, no cigar.
>>24689535>European officialsWho cares? There's been grave concerns and symbolic concessions to keep their muslims happy, nothing more. Jewish power reigns supreme over Judea, that's not changing.
>>24689555>i know how i'll win this debate and make israel look good, i'll make fun of starving sandniggers again!Hahahahaha because it's been working out so well for you with a bunch of major European countries about to recognize Palestine as a state, right? You think I give a fuck about the Gazans, you small-minded little desert Arab yourself? I want nothing more than for you to level the entirety of Gaza city, go house by house. Your real enemies are not dumbass Arabs, they are people like me who understand that you will chase minor pyrrhic victories over dumbass Arabs all the way into the center of hell. Please keep chasing them. You alienated Turkey harder than in decades today too, and every other state in the region. Keep selling me your stupid ten year old hasbara talking points about how it doesn't matter and it's 5D chess and you're still winning when every single European state is moving toward sanctioning you and recognizing Palestine, every single regional player is severing diplomatic ties, and your own internal military and security apparatus is leaking reports saying you've effectively wasted your time since Oct. 7 on this failed war, and the Haredim still aren't drafted. You know yourself you are FUCKED, but still waste your time trying to convince me. Circle those wagons, dumb half-Mizrahi. >>24689561>Who cares? Trust the plan.I agree, trust it. Go into Gaza City. Don't take a hostage deal. Do it.
>>24689579It's really boring to hear the same old posturing but>it's going to HAPPEN ALLAHU AKBAR!!!It's not. You know it. I know it. You know that I know that you know. So please stop the ambarassment.
>>24689587Hahaha freier your entire society is divided between settler maximalist retards who want a forever war and parasitic welfare queen Haredim who call the settlers "Nazis" and can't be drafted, and the secular middle class backbone of the reservists and economy who are being ground between these two factions, and Netanyahu's coalition is going to implode soon You really pretended to have a country there for a few decades as long as the secular Ashkenazi were still bringing money and talent into the country and holding it together. Too bad they're all old, dead, fleeing or fled, or they're an unlucky freier who actually serves in the reserves.
>Israel's benefit to the US (yes, unironically)"When Jonathan Pollard was convicted of espionage in 1987, he became the first American to go to jail for life for passing secrets to a U.S. ally. The top-secret information Pollard passed on to Israel is so vast and damaging, the complete list of files is itself top secret. He was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole after 30 years.There are few things both liberals and conservatives agree on these days, but keeping Pollard in prison for the rest of his life was one of them. Yet, he was released in 2015 and quickly made his way to Israel -- where he received a hero’s welcome.">https://www.military.com/history/jonathan-pollard-was-one-of-most-damaging-spies-us-history.html"Mr Pollard, 66, and his wife Esther were greeted at the airport by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who recited a Jewish blessing with them."You're home," Mr Netanyahu said, before handing over an Israeli ID card.Mr Pollard was arrested in 1985 and given a life sentence after pleading guilty to selling US secrets to Israel.He said he had been frustrated by the US withholding key intelligence from its staunch ally."Welcome back. It is great that you have finally come home. Now you can start life anew, with freedom and happiness," Mr Netanyahu told Mr Pollard.Miriam Adelson called for Mr Pollard to be welcomed "quietly, with a huge sigh of relief, with tears of remorse, and with a long and grateful hug"."Jonathan deserves Israel's deepest and eternal gratitude," she wrote. "Like a wounded soldier returning from a long and difficult journey, he deserves every benefit and grant the state can offer to ensure he can live his life comfortably."">https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55484433
>>24689531Hi Schlomo. Have you been drafted yet?
>>24689473>>settler telegrams melting downYou've gone too deep anon, why would you need to be knowing what these hebrew channels are saying? At least>>24689473>such reports are frequent and Israeli society is hypervigilantIs an Israeli Druze who grew up disliking Israel but after seeing what Syrian Islamists did to his brothers knew who the winning team was and is now grateful to be protected by the jews and is loyal to the 48 state.
>>24689633meant to tag>>24689505as the druze anon
>>24689633I just like to follow Israel's decline as a geopolitics enthusiast because it's such an unusual phenomenon by modern standards. A lot of conditions exist such that no other country would be "given enough room" to fuck its own ass as hard as Israel is doing, but Israel's unique situation has enabled it to do a tremendous amount of self ass-fucking. It's fascinating to watch. It is effectively doomed as a country at this point, unless the US and NATO manage to pull off recreating the Eternal Early 2000s like they seem to want. Good luck with that - these are the same people who thought Russia would collapse early in the Ukraine War. I like the Druze but anyone who thinks a Jew sees him as anything other than convenient chattel is unwise.
>>24688853>openly commiting genocideIt would work better if you guys hadn't been hysterically screeching this since 10/8.Hamas could end the war any time they want by surrendering. Every other country would do the same thing. If the Swiss government killed 9,000 French in a day (a comparable figure for the population) and publicly celebrated gang rapes and took 1,000+ hostage and raped and starved them, then the only option on the table would be that the Swiss government accept unconditional surrender. If Mexico did this to the US you can be damn sure the only option would be unconditional surrender. Zurich and Mexico city would be leveled as sieged if need be. This is classic "play stupid games win stupid prizes" warfare. It's the equivalent of the Nazis screaming "but what will happen to the children if you enter Berlin," while simultaneously refusing to surrender. They could release the hostages and lay down their arms and accept exile today and it'd be over. They could have done it a year ago. The Palestinians could turn on them. They haven't. They won't. And so I expect this will go on for at least two or three more years.The bizarre thing to me is how lefties have swallowed Hamas propaganda whole and are absolutely demanding that no Palestinians who are fed up with this shit be allowed to leave under any condition. Whereas, they never said "you must stay in Syria or Assad wins!" Or "you must stay in Rwanda with the people trying to genocide you or they win!" The very fact that these people absolutely do not want any Palestinian families or even kids to be allowed out of Gaza proves they don't even believe their own genocide claims.
>>24689640Yeah bro, that Axis of Resistance is looking STRONK! Just like Russia. Tell me, what happened to the entire Hezbollah and Hamas senior, secondary, and tertiary leadership? What happened to Iran's military and scientific leaders? What happened to Yemen's PM and entire military leadership? Are they alive right now?
>>24689682?Are you disputing all the legal documents and reports? You are really retarded you think this in any way refutes the genocide argument.Oh wait, you were the anon from the previous thread. You ran away (but conveniently reappeared in this one).
>>24689682>all this rhetoric>no sign of self-awareness
>>24689473Yes, Hamas is winning. Any day now Israel will collapse. Hezbollah and Iran being forced to make a separate peace was all part of the plan...
>>24689704>W-we said it in a legal report so it is true!You do know legal reports claiming the opposite exist, right? Considering the UN ops in Gaza were proven to be effectively under direct Hamas control, what does this even mean?You addressed no other points so I assume you don't have answers.>>24689714Also no arguments.
>>24689725>You do know legal reports claiming the opposite exist, right?Post them, and we will parse them together to discover the truth.>Considering the UN ops in Gaza were proven to be effectively under direct Hamas control, what does this even mean?A bold accusation which requires further proof.
>>24689732https://govextra.gov.il/unrwa/unrwa/>Among the 12,521 UNRWA employees in the Gaza Strip, at least 1,462 (12%) are members of Hamas or other designated terrorist organizations.>Out of 546 principals and deputy-principals in UNRWA's education facilities, at least 80 (15%) are members of terrorist organizations.>UNRWA employees actively participated in the October 7th attacks on Israel.>Throughout the current war and long before it, Hamas systematically exploited UNRWA's facilities, equipment and infrastructure as a method of warfare.>Hamas dug terror tunnels intentionally under UNRWA schools placing shafts in or next to those facilities. In at least two confirmed cases, the schools' principals were Hamas military wing members.>Hamas operated the advanced server farm of its central intelligence command center underneath UNRWA's Gaza headquarters using electricity from that facility.>Hamas regularly fired rockets from areas adjacent to UN institutions, especially from the vicinity of UNRWA schools.
>>24689725I can write answers to the other points too, although I already did in the previous (24676103) thread and you stopped replying to them. See >24687704 By your own logic my conclusion from previous thread's discussion, namely that you had no answers, is a valid one. I think you deserve kudos for owning up to it like that.We can continue this discussion if you engage with the material I wrote in last thread. If you check out again, I'll discuss with other anons instead.
>>24689745The leader of Hamas' Lebanon ops was also a UNRWA employee BTW. https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-10-2024-002052_EN.html
>>24689745>https://govextra.gov.il/unrwa/unrwa/If an Israeli official or media outlet makes claims that align with government narratives (e.g. “UNRWA is infiltrated by Hamas”), that is self-serving evidence and has diminished credibility unless supported by neutral or third-party confirmation.
>>24689751I wasn't even the one in that thread dumbass. Funny, you went from "prove it," to "I won't provide arguments at all actually but trust me I already made conclusive one's in a post I am failing to actually link."BTW, do you think refugees in Rwanda also should have been kept inside that country's borders at gun point to "stop the genociders from winning?"No. Of course you don't. No one does. When there is a real genocide you don't demand that civilians and children absolutely under no circumstances be allowed to flee. That's what you do when you have been gaslit into demanding that a government who started a losing war and refuses to surrender is demanding to keep their human shields, the last chip they have.If Israel wanted to genocide Gaza they could easily do it. Hamas is not a serious military obstacle. They could just fling incendiaries into it and Dresden it every night. This is all about keeping Hamas' shields and them in power.Also, Dresden was not a genocide. Neither was the firebombing of Tokyo. It might have been unjustified, but it was a means to military victory, just like this campaign. Again, it Hamad offered to release all the hostages and go into exile tomorrow, do you really think Israel would refuse and continue the war? Why don't you start by answering that question and then explain why you think Hamas shouldn't surrender and should use Gaza as their funeral pyre instead.
>>24689758This (and neither does your previous post) does not establish that UN staff as a group are Hamas or systematically infiltrated. It merely confirms one verified case, handled with formal due process.Talking about due process, I'd like you to present evidence of Israel punishing its own soldiers for deliberately shooting civilians or using human shields. If these terms are new to you, I can inform you with synoptical reports rich in evidence made by various NGOs.
>>24689760Ah, but the Hamas ministry of health figures are to be taken as fact for sure.U.S. State had the same finding under Biden dumbass.
>>24689773I'd rather you try to explain why you think Hamas should keep fighting this war they started.
>>24689640>I like the Druze but anyone who thinks a Jew sees him as anything other than convenient chattel is unwise.You think Israel striking Syria was rooted in cynical plots to keep IDF recruitment numbers high moreso than some kind of sympthathy for a fellow minority group under islam?
>>24688834nice AI slop
>>24689772You write exactly like the anon from the previous thread and even use the same arguments. I can simply copypaste my works from the previous thread since you are someone else (if you were purporting to be this would be double l0lz as you'd have to shamefully read them an extra time).>Hamas could end the war any time they want by surrendering.I'm going to call bullshit: I challenge you to find any proposal that suggests this and hasn't been tampered with last-minute by Netanyahu in order to prolong the conflict. Otherwise, your claim gets dismissed.>This is classic "play stupid games win stupid prizes" warfareYour claim that Israel killing a disproportionate amount of civilians (many of them children) is the prize for the atrocities on October 7th only emboldens my position that Israel is a bad faith actor. Your logic counts Jewish resistance in WW2 as equally deserving of collective punishment by the Nazis.>The Palestinians could turn on them. They haven't. They won't.That's not how authoritarian, blockaded societies work. Ordinary Gazans are in the position of either taking up arms against a power that wants to genocide them, or keeping their civilian status and getting bombed or starved anyways. I'm pulling a uno reversal here: since Israel prides itself as the only democratic country in the Middle East, why do they keep electing ghouls that openly declare they want to inflict crimes against humanity upon the Palestinians?>The bizarre thing to me is how lefties have swallowed Hamas propaganda whole and are absolutely demanding that no Palestinians who are fed up with this shit be allowed to leave under any condition. Whereas, they never said "you must stay in Syria or Assad wins!" Or "you must stay in Rwanda with the people trying to genocide you or they win!" The very fact that these people absolutely do not want any Palestinian families or even kids to be allowed out of Gaza proves they don't even believe their own genocide claims.Firstly, I reject your premise: most human rights groups, international agencies, and activists do want civilians to be safe. Their objection isn't to Palestinians escaping danger but rather to Israel using ''evacuation'' as a cover for forced displacement (ethnic cleansing) without the right of return. We know Israel denies this right to everyone who fled and their descendants. The demand is not that they must stay but rather them being guaranteed the right to return home and here is concrete proof from leaked transcripts from none other than Netanyahu himself that this is not going to happen:''In a leaked testimony before the Knesset’s Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee in May 2025, Netanyahu stated that Israel was "destroying more and more houses [in Gaza] and Palestinians accordingly have nowhere to return." (source: Times of Israel)
>>24689778What I said holds true in any court of law. It's you who can't cope with the facts and now you're digging in to your position without any further clarification (fingerpointing doesn't count). Besides, even Israel uses the Hamas ministry of health figures. Is the IDF antisemitic?>U.S. State had the same finding under Biden dumbass.Based on which evidence? Israeli? If only neutral journalists and NGO's were allowed in. Why aren't they allowed in? Can you answer?>>24689793I'd rather you answer my question before I do yours, as is etiquette.
>>24689772>SEE, SEE! You are making us kill your offspring, just surrender c'mon!
Leading genocide scholars organization says Israel is committing genocide in GazaTHE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) — The largest professional organization of scholars studying genocide said Monday that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.The determination by the International Association of Genocide Scholars — which has around 500 members worldwide, including a number of Holocaust experts — could serve to further isolate Israel in global public opinion and adds to a growing chorus of organizations that have used the term for Israel’s actions in Gaza. Israel rejects the accusation and called the resolution an “embarrassment to the legal profession.”“Israel’s policies and actions in Gaza meet the legal definition of genocide,” according to group’s resolution, which was supported by 86% of those who voted. The organization did not release the specifics of the voting.“People who are experts in the study of genocide can see this situation for what it is,” Melanie O’Brien, the organization’s president and a professor of international law at the University of Western Australia, told The Associated Press.https://apnews.com/article/genocide-scholars-israel-gaza-war-9b24a48075b1d150b9bba8a8ae911cd2
>>24689697>>24689717Lmao, your shit country is falling apart and you think it makes it better if other countries are shit and falling apart too. Wow, we killed the Minister of Finance in Bhutan! That makes it okay that our own military is leaking reports titled "Our military is fucked!" Retarded half-Arab freier.Anyway the Houthis and Iran and Hezbollah and even Hamas all remain standing while you fucking retards have 50% reserve turnout. 2 years and you can't successfully conquer the fucking Gaza Strip. Your army is pathetic.>>24689802I just wouldn't trust them long term. I can understand "enemy of my enemy is my friend" logic but always keep one eye on them. Look how they treat the US, their dedicated paypig. Nothing is ever enough to win their loyalty, and they even feel fine murdering American citizens (USS Liberty) and lying about it for decades. Something wrong with them.
Everyone ITT needs to calm it down, let us listen to >Son of Hamas>Mosab Yousefhttps://archive.org/details/son-of-hamas-unabridged-audiobookIn which the son of one of the founder's of Hamas details how they were all sick fucks that tortured fellow Palistineans and how Arafat rejected various peace deals to keep doing intifadas.Cooler heads will then prevail for a spirited discussion.
The youth is becoming extremely antisemitic. It's fantastic.
>>24690154You will never be a real country. You have no legitimacy, you have no effective army, you have no unified demographic base. You are a Russian and German Ashkenazi diaspora twisted by American and British money into a crude mockery of a real state. All the “international recognition” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people hate you. Your economic and military lifelines are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “allies” revile your ghoulish behavior behind closed doors.Non-Jews are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed gentiles to sniff out Jews with incredible efficiency. Even Israelis who “look white” are uncanny and unnatural to a European. Your treacherousness and entitlement are a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get another American aid package, Trump will turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your plummeting international standing.You will never be safe. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel Iran creeping up behind you like a weed, ready to crush you again under infinite ballistic missiles. Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll go full retard, provoke an international crisis and sanctions, alienate all your neighbors, and plunge into another five-front war. The Americans will find you, Iron Dome broken, relieved that they no longer have to live with the endless money sink and diplomatic headaches. They’ll dissolve you with a press release recognizing the state of Palestine, and everyone for the rest of eternity will know Israel never existed. Your diaspora will decay and go back to white countries, and all that will remain of your legacy is a trickle of patrilineal secular Jews who dissolve into the European upper middle classes. This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
>>24688451What are the least schizo reasons for why almost every American politician is so bizarrely subservient to Israel?
>>24690189hate the jews but can we agree that:>you have no effective armyKEK>Russian and German Ashkenazi diasporaHalf true>Behind your back people hate you.most college kids can't name what river or sea they want to be free, they'll forget about this like they forgot about Tibet.>your “allies” revile your ghoulish behavior behind closed doors.the optics are bad, I'll give you that.>Non-Jews are utterly repulsed by you.why is inter marriage so high then?>Trump will turn tail and boltKEK, Trump respects power and BIBI is a former commando>deep inside you feel Iran creeping up behind you like a weed, ready to crush you again under infinite ballisticIsraelis are more worried about rude waiters in Thailand that Iran.>Americans will find you, Iron Dome broken, relieved that they no longer have to live with the endless money sink and diplomatic headachesHeard of christian zionists? Mike Huccabee?>Americans will find you, Iron Dome broken, relieved that they no longer have to live with the endless money sink and diplomatic headachesPretty good writer anon.You've made ok points, but focus too much on Israelis being terrified when they already know most of the world hates them and don't care. You sound like QAnon posting how scared Hillary Clinton is of being arrested.Once the war is over Saudi Arabia will normalize relations and the rest of the Arab world will fall in line.
>>24690194Some people are blackmailed and some are bought off. A lot of them seem to have been raised in zionist cult families
>>24688451anon you do know that nations have been buying the loyalty of people in positions of power ever since monarchy with favors, promises and wealth, there is a "revolving door" in politics that is a open secret that media doesn't want to touch in depth but is still widely known enough to coin a term for it in USif local big corpos can buy that kind of influence over a politician or a bureaucrat what makes you think a nation couldn't do it? US did try to prevent it with the prevention of federal reserve but that got a lot of people killed and it eventually went through anywayhell even masonic lodges can exercise that kind of influence with epstein island blackmail / bribery, you assume that people with ambition to make decisions that shape the lives of citizens of an entire nation would be pious paragons of virtueeven in EU this shit is rampant, why do countries where the people vote representatives make decisions that hurt the majority of the people, why do they follow proven to be failing policies and send money to a nation committing genocide, why do the decisions being made by nations seem so destructive to the people who the bureaucrats and politicians are supposed to be representing and why is it that annual donations to wealthy country are never the spendings that get cut when the state tightens their belt and fucks over the backbone of their own nation?keeping people too busy to relax is a good way to keep them out of your business, or so they believe, even if the shit blows up in their faces it's not the people funding these kind of retarded decisions that have to deal with it and the politicians are already promised cushy spots on the life boat
>>24688629>The aid isn't a "drain." It's an investment. It's the operating budget for an offshore military base and, more importantly, a live-fire R&D lab. The occupation of Palestine is the perfect testing ground for the surveillance tech, crowd control weapons, and drone systems that American and Israeli arms dealers then sell for a massive profit globally.i.e.https://youtu.be/DajQIB6rlCsEven more than that. I've done some freelance writing about the defense industry and seen some demonstrations up close, and people don't really grasp how integrated it is with Israeli tech as a whole system of production. Look up some Israeli defense companies and look at where they have offices, and now look up American defense companies (say, Kratos, which is an interesting one) and see where they have offices, and you'll also find Israel. There are a lot of things people don't normally think about, like a sensor that goes on an aircraft, or a mechanical system, which can be Israeli. They really tried building up their own defense industry from the beginning and carved out a niche selling Western-style gear at lower prices (because of lower labor costs) to all kinds of crazy countries during the Cold War.>The entire "is Israel good for America?" debate is a mystification. The arrangement isn't good for the American working class, but it is immensely profitable and strategically indispensable for the ruling class that actually runs this country.People talk a lot about lobbying by AIPAC, and they should, but it pales in comparison to the defense industry. The other thing to consider is that this involves a lot of jobs (manufacturing and engineering jobs at that) spread out across many congressional districts. You can find many Americans who don't like Israel or the U.S. relationship with it, but now tell them to cut defense spending and watch those jobs go away. You can certainly make that argument but it's politically difficult for politicians. People also ignore that U.S. aid to Israel acts as an indirect subsidy to these defense corporations and keeps production lines humming. The old line about how "war, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing" isn't strictly accurate, it's good for certain people and these industries.>>24689640>I like the Druze but anyone who thinks a Jew sees him as anything other than convenient chattel is unwise.Druze are pretty pragmatic and they go with the power in their area as a survival strategy. Here's an Israeli Druze guy who has a hardball-world / "peace through superior firepower" sort of perspective.https://youtu.be/HPi0EkEO_hY
>>24690194Lots of jews here + evangelicals are weird
>>24690198>You've made ok points, but focus too much on Israelis being terrified when they already know most of the world hates them and don't care.What I've come to understand about Israelis, is that they really don't care what the rest of the world thinks. The whole operating premise or "what it means to be Israeli" is that the world hates them, and they are in some sense the polar opposite of American Jews who are more likely to engage in victimhood competitions or "I feel unsafe" and that sort of thing. This is why they do things like blow up the Houthi cabinet. It's like, it's fucking war, man.
>>24690225>>24690214>>24690198Hasbara faggots talking to eachother. What is the point of doing this on 4chan when you stand out so badly?
>>24688629ah yes, the roman empire famously criminalized and ostracized citizens who dared criticize the noble african garrisons
>>24688451>Why did they gloss over the argument that Israel's benefit to the US (yes, unironically) transcends that of a mere military baseDid you not even read the book? He expressly talks about the potential benefits of the US israel relationship, the main one being the US relationship with Egypt during the cold war. The whole book is a detailed account of why, despite there being some small benefits to the US, israel is a massive foreign policy liability and is bad for the US in nearly every sense.
>>24690229I hate radical islam and leftists, so why would I want to support the free Palestine movement? That doesn't make me Israeli. Italian Anarchist Vittorio Arrigoni FAFO'd by militants in Gaza and is the perfect ending to the story.>In a video posted on YouTube, Mr Arrigoni appeared to have been beaten and his eyes were covered with thick black tape.>A caption on the video read: "The Italian hostage entered our land only to spread corruption." The video called Italy "the infidel state".https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-13088630
>>24690249Wow, this makes me want to give more tax dollars to israel and destabilize the middle east even more
>>24690254Islam and peace is not possible. What do you think the Middle East would look like if Israel never existed?
>>24690260if you aren't jewish, you're a short sighted golem
>>24688629You forgot the most important thing, Being the defacto benefactor of Jewish intellectual prowess, The US literally can't afford to lose the monopoly over the Jewish mind, The entire economic machine is depended on Americans, Pre-dominantly Jews, Innovating at rate that's higher than the competition, Not to mention culture and hard sciences, Which again, Jews thoroughly dominate.
>>24688853>genocideI heard that word thousands of times in the past 2 years with very few explanations as to why one believe it actually, definitionally, a genocide. And the explanations i've heard fail at any comparative analysis.
>>24690316>>24690310hello beautiful israel women, what literature u read while i fck you??
remember when the israeli military intelligence complex blew up thousands of pagers that they had secretly sold to hamas with tiny explosives hidden inside all at the same time and then immediately afterwards the prime minister of israel gave a golden pager gift to trump?good times
>>24688629>The arrangement isn't good for the American working class, but it is immensely profitable and strategically indispensable for the ruling class that actually runs this country.so in other words... it's a fucking terrible arrangement
>>24690316Read South Africa v Israel. Anons aren’t going to full an exhaustive case for you just because you’re too lazy to read documentation that’s been available for over 18 months.
>>24689682The relationships between France and Switzerland and the US and Mexico are very different than that of the Israelis and Palestinians. If the French were holding the the Swiss as a captive population that they were brutalizing for decades, I think many would sympathize with the The Swiss.Second, even if the countries would like to take that course of action, International pressure should be applied to them in an effort to prevent them from committing atrocities against civilians.
>>24689682Does France routinely drop bombs on Switzerland’s civilian infrastructure? Has France imposed an illegal blockade since 2006 that tanked Switzerland’s economy? Do French politicians come out on TV and dehumanise the Swiss? Do French snipers challenge each other to permanently cripple as many Swiss children in one day?
>>24690717Does Switzerland have schools where they indoctrinate children? Does Switzerland lob rockets into France? Does Switzerland call for the death of the French?
>>24690717Why did Egypt impose a "blockade" significantly more strict on Gaza than Israel for the entire time period?It's almost like carrying out consistent terrorism against your neighbors and attempting to destroy their governments leads to them closing their borders on you. Again, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.Into the 1990s the people of Gaza and the West Bank had significantly higher incomes than their Arab neighbors and lower unemployment. During the 1990s, a two state solution seemed immanent. Hamas tried to derail it, carrying out a terror attack almost every two weeks for three straight years. It is this campaign that led to the borders being sealed. Since then, the territories have become poorer than their neighbors and unemployment went from 3-5% to consistently 33%+.Again, this is due to ridiculous policy. And it was the sort of policy pursued elsewhere too which is why Kuwait ethnically cleansed 500,000+ Palestinians from their state and why Gaddafi did the same. You have things like assassinating the Jordanian king, starting a civil war that ruined Lebanon (and massacring and gang raping whole Christian villages to kick this off).The fact is that a Palestinian state was offered 25 years ago and it was rejected out of hand on the demand for right of return, which is essentially the demand that Israel become a majority Palestinian state, or "we get everything or no deal." Well, you can see how that sort of policy has worked out.
>>24690316It's equivocation. Originally, the term meant extermination. Now it means causing any civilian losses or commiting any war crimes at all. Hence Russia being accused of "genocide" due to small scale massacres and punitive targeting of civilians.If you scale deaths in Mariupol up to Gaza's population it would be the equivalent of Israel killing 250,000 in the opening months of the war. Nonetheless, Russia's goal wasn't to kill all Ukrainians anymore than the US goal in Dresden was to exterminate the Germans. They were attacking civilians to try to punish resistance and because they didn't care about civilian deaths. This is a war crime but not genocide.When Mosul, which is significantly less populous than Gaza was retaken by US backed Arab and Kurdish forces 35,000 were killed. No one called that genocide. When the US retook Manilla from the Japanese 120,000 died, but no one called that a genocide of our allies. The fact is that long urban sieges lead to high deaths if the opposing force chooses to embed with civilians and use them as shields. There is no way around this.
>>24689831>I'm going to call bullshit: Bibi's government would collapse of he rejected unilateral surrender. This is sheer retardation and shows a total lack of understanding of the politics.It was clear after the first cease fire that Hamas was reasserting control and that the unenforceable promise to disband would not be honored. The war continues because Hamas gives zero fucks about Gazan suffering so long as they retain their mafia state rule and impunity.
>>24690757Israel is the occupier under international law and therefore has the duty to provide for the civilian population it occupies. Why are you refusing to acknowledge this?I agree that it's ridiculous policy to impose an illegal blockade and crimes against humanity on a civilian population.
>>24690768>Bibi's government would collapse of he rejected unilateral surrenderConjecture. You can either provide evidence or double down (therefore conceding this point) and move on to the others you haven't answered yet.
>>24690768Also, since you failed to meet my challenge, it's safe to say you don't know what you are talking about. I give you one more chance to stick on topic and fulfill my challenge:>I'm going to call bullshit: I challenge you to find any proposal that suggests this and hasn't been tampered with last-minute by Netanyahu in order to prolong the conflict. Otherwise, your claim gets dismissed.
>>24690768>It was clear after the first cease fire that Hamas was reasserting control and that the unenforceable promise to disband would not be honoredWho broke the ceasefire? This isn't the one way street you think it is.
>>24690764Rhetoric. You can take up your qualms with the current definition of genocide with the legal experts in the Hague. I'm sure they're happy to learn from you LOL.
>>24688629>the strategic benefit of Israel is that we can do weapons testing on civilians, then use said civilians land as real estate, and harass countries who are only opposed to us because of our allegience with Israel>admitting it actively harms Americans except for the disproportionately jewish eliteCant make this shit up. Most jewish post imaginable kek. Shills will say anything just to keep Americans under the illusion for two more weeks. 4chan now stands with Nimrata Haley
>>24690785I'm not going to waste my time arguing with a retard who simultaneously thinks that Israel wouldn't accept Hamas' surrender and end the war because they want to "genocide" Gaza, but also demands that every last Gazan woman and child absolutely MUST not be allowed to leave Gaza. This is either abhorrently evil, or as is more likely, shows that you do not even believe your own words.>"M-muh leftist experts!!!!!"These same experts were denying or even celebrating actual Soviet genocides in the 70s and 80s funny enough.Anyhow, nothing you say changes the fact that Hamas will be bombed until they surrender.
I am a German and I think not all things Hitler did were bad. He build the autobahn and he did something against the power of the Jews in Europe ( see chancellor Adenauer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CaaQywraXw ). I think anti-zionist literature is primarily helpful for our aim. Now the aim of ours, well, the aim is to have Europa and America become "woke" about (((racism))) (which is a part of their religion)
LATEST in "Israel is FUCKED!" news:>Internal divisionhttps://www.timesofisrael.com/at-stormy-cabinet-meet-netanyahu-refuses-idf-chiefs-push-for-vote-on-hostage-deal/https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-09-02/ty-article/.premium/idf-chief-has-to-bang-on-the-table-to-get-netanyahus-cabinet-to-discuss-hostages-in-gaza/00000199-06b1-dd48-a79b-bff559940000>Low reservist turnouthttps://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hundreds-of-idf-reservists-say-they-wont-report-for-duty-if-called-up-for-gaza-city-takeover-op/https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-09-02/ty-article/.premium/idf-will-have-to-fight-for-every-reservist-as-crisis-of-faith-with-israels-govt-deepens/
>>24690912>I'm not going to waste my time arguing with a retard who simultaneously thinks that Israel wouldn't accept Hamas' surrender and end the war because they want to "genocide" GazaI'm sorry, why are you trying to weasel your way out of responding to the question you're so desperately ducking? Now please, this is getting ugly. Either respond or go. You have already lost since you keep evading this point. >>24690785
>>24690785Netanyahu even tampers with his own plans>Lapid Received a Call From Egypt: 'Are You Aware That Netanyahu Decided to Kill His Own Plan?'"What you call the 'Witkoff plan' and what we call the 'Netanyahu plan,' because it was his idea from the very start – the whole idea of a partial deal, the return of 10 living hostages and 18 dead ones and the 60 days of negotiations about the rest, it was all dictated by Netanyahu," answered the Egyptian. "Witkoff presented it so it wouldn't appear that Hamas is accepting what Netanyahu is demanding."Okay, said Lapid, so? "So we went with it to Hamas, made them sign it and since then Netanyahu has disappeared." What do you mean by disappeared, Lapid asked. "Exactly what it sounds like," said the official."It's been two weeks already, and we haven't been able to reach his office. Your negotiating team tells us that they were told to sit at home and wait. And now we read in the media that your prime minister rejects a phased deal and insists on a comprehensive one. So we ask ourselves, are you aware that Netanyahu decided to kill his own plan?"
>>24690912>but also demands that every last Gazan woman and child absolutely MUST not be allowed to leave Gaza. This is either abhorrently evil, or as is more likely, shows that you do not even believe your own words.I've already refuted this very same accusation in another post you forgot to read, right here >>24689831. >These same experts were denying or even celebrating actual Soviet genocides in the 70s and 80s funny enough.Kind reminder that whataboutism is not a rebuttal of my point. Since we're on lit, so I'm going to assume you're doing this to deflect because you have no arguments left.
>>24690983Yeah, another rock on the mountain of evidence that Netanyahu's government is not a good faith actor. I can bring up the video where he's caught gloating about sabotaging accords on hidden camera, but I'm afraid I won't get any more (you)'s from the ziophiles since it scares them.
>>24690912>Anyhow, nothing you say changes the fact that Hamas will be bombed until they surrender.This seems like frustration on your part anon. That's not the locus of discussion... Tell us what the other anon did to rustle your fragile jimmies?
Hamas! Hamas! Juden in's Gas!From the River to the Sea Palästina will be free!
>>24690205I would agree this is the reason. Blackmail especially. Intrafamily subversion could very well play into it as well.
>>24690264Lmao Jews are vermin
>>24691028hey
>>24691028 >>24690264>>24691014>Hamas! Hamas! Juden in's Gas!>From the River to the Sea Palästina will be free!If anyone ITT is Jewish or the mossad it's these anons, trying to convince the Jews, tand the world that Jews are hated and will be gassed etc, so they NEED Israel, and therefore its existence is justified.
>>24691085They need Israel so that we can finish them off with a single nuclear bomb.
>>24691100Good point.
>>24691100>we can finish them off with a single nuclear bombWho is "we" ?why would I, as a westerner, want to nuke the birthplace of Jesus and all that Roman history? You must be Persian or Indian, wanting to erase anything non-islamic.
>>24691116I'm a German. You're right, we could use a neutron bomb instead of a regular nuke.With "us" I mean the people who aren't Jewish.
>>24691116German-Syrian no doubt. Anons don't be fooled by this false claim, here we expose the "Taqiyya" or lying of this filthy sunni dog. The Islamists hate any kind of history that came before the great prophet(PBUH), they call all of it, the time of Ignorance or "Jahiliyyah." I simply will not be on board with destroying Bethlehem, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, or the Jordan river.
>>24689772>Also, Dresden was not a genocide.I beg to differ! It was an attempt to eradicate all Germans, including civilians, on a particular stretch of land. That is enough for a majority of definitions of a genocide.
>>24691139>I'm a German.Meant to tag.
>>24689778>Ah, but the Hamas ministry of health figures are to be taken as fact for sure.Fact or no fact, I think they should be made illegal to deny, like what they do with the victim figures of the holocaust in Germany.
>>24691160>German-Syrian no doubt.German-German-German-Germanpurely aryan. Yes, haters gonna hate.I don't mind the arabs, although I think the way the Reich dealt with foreign labour was better, imho. It was basically slavery. I imagine a lot of people would prefer slavery in Germany to freedom in Absurdistan or whatever it's called -- like Burkina Faso?
>>24689831>Your logic counts Jewish resistance in WW2 as equally deserving of collective punishment by the Nazis.The partisans deserved collective punishment. They killed German soldiers and not only soldiers. Look up what they have done to the Danube Swabians!
>>24690170Ja, ja, ja, ja!
>>24691177>I don't mind the arabs,Oh is that so herr pure 100% German? Rapefugeeshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaultsGerman federal prosecutors identified the Syrian man as Issa Al H., omitting his family name because of German privacy laws, and said he was suspected of being a member of Islamic State.Prosecutors said "due to his radical Islamist convictions" he tried to kill as many people as possible that he considered to be non-believers, stabbing them repeatedly in the neck and upper body.https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/german-stabbing-suspect-is-26-year-old-man-who-admitted-crime-police-say-2024-08-25/Yah you certainly got your priorities straight. Defend this, why you don't put all your attention to this important matter?
>>24690778By the way, Hitler predicted Israeli atrocities in his Mein Kampf
>>24691183>The partisans deserved collective punishment.This statement doesn't work. You're either a civilian or a combatant. All the non-combatants suffering terribl fates had nothing to do with the armed conflict against the nazis.
>>24691193Just like the Germans before Hitler came, the Arabs suffered immensely under the yoke of the Jews. They had to endure a lot and not only from Israel but also for other imperial powers, like Britain and France. I think of them as brothers akin to Prussian and Silesian Germans who got driven out of the homes. Of course we must take as many Arabs in as possible because of the aid they provide against dastardly Jew.
>>24691212a la guerre come a la guerre. Civilians suffer. In particular German and Arab civilians suffered a lot in the 20th century
>>24691220Don't backpedal. You said ''The partisans deserved collective punishment'' >deserved
>>24691229So, what's your problem about it? It isn't like the partisans were Germans.
>>24691214>Of course we must take as many Arabs in as possibleBehold a man! Pro-Palestine anons, your fellow travelers are "Germans" who want mass islam importation to the west and tranny whores. Choose wisely and choose the based power defending the church from becoming like the Buddha statues in Afghanistan.
>>24691251False dichotomy + guilt by associationCounterpoint: Israel wants to ethnically cleanse the West Bank Gaza, meaning their success depends on Western nations taking in Palestinian refugees.Israel is also notoriously racist against non-jews, including Christians.
https://archive.org/details/adolf-hitler-on-palestineDER FÜHRER SPRICHT!>>24691251Oh I don't mind trannies as long as they're pro-Palestinian. What's wrong about tranny whores? I think we have to imitate what was unique about the Führer's regime and not the things that weren't any different from elsewhere in the western world.
>>24691284>Israel is also notoriously racist against non-jews, including Christians.the word is "Judaism" not "Israel", you dolt!
>>24688451Supporting Israel has never been in US interests, but neither were South Korea and South Vietnam, two countries the United States fought actual wars over. The Military Industrial Complex doesn't need a reason to turn relatively minor countries into highly militarized buffer states and pay themselves a ton of money. They're doing it in Ukraine and Taiwan right now.
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Founder of the Likud party and Netanyahu's spiritual predecessor.
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Watching the "German (secretly an Arab!!)" kike posting like a 1950s moustache-twirling villain about hating kikes and talking to the pro-kike kike is perhaps the worst hasbara I have ever seen. This shit is reaching Indian levels of cringe, literally two Indians talking to each other about how India is "kinda based actually" while one pretends to be a white racist at first. This is the problem with Israel in microcosm: The people it relies on to defend itself are literally retarded 90 IQ browns. It just isn't sustainable. They are Jewish Indians.
>>24691379Israel uses online agents and botfarms to spin the narrative to their favour, anon. They even have teams specialized in editing wikipedia paged, for instance.
>>24691383I know, what I am saying is that they're so bad at it that it's making me cringe, which is adding insult to injury.
>>24691386They're meant to fill the ether with pro-Israel noises. As soon as it stops and organic discussion takes place, they lost the narrative. So even if their posts are trite and nonsensical, they serve the purpose of drowning out genuine and useful content that harms them.
>>24691379>perhaps the worst hasbara I have ever seen.Exposing a German who loves trannies and mass arab immigration and wanting Christian heritage protected does mean I am in a coordinated fake conversation you schizo.
>>24691379Aber ich bin doch kein Araber! >>24691251>Choose wisely and choose the based power defending the church from becoming like the Buddha statues in Afghanistan.nothing wrong about that. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Norwegian_black_metal_scene
>>24691462>wanting Christian heritage protectedDoes this mean you want Israel to stop bombing churches in Gaza?
Christianity is slave morality par excellence. Why would anyone want to protect it?
>>24691470Absolutely the Israelis should not bomb a single church in Gaza, and unless there's another crusade, I'd rather Jews hold Jerusalem than Muslims since they cannot be trusted to destroy them, does that mean I'm paid by the IDF?>nothing wrong about that.>Christianity is slave morality STFU pagan larpers.
>>24691533Jews have been more detrimental to the Christian community of Palestine than Muslims have.
it's not paganism. it's nietzsche.Before speaking out against bombing and burning churches it would do good to you to read "Beyond Good and Evil" and "the Antichrist".
If they were expelled from 109 countries, it must be for a VERY good reason.
>>24691566The arab nations did the right thing to evict them all.
>>24691548and not just that of Palestine!
>>24691568Arabs and everybody else. Nobody likes Jews. Every culture has disliked them, even the ones that don't ban them. Here's Truman Capote talking about how they behave in a "liberal, open" society when given freedom: Capote: Well, it has brought about the rise of what I call the Jewish Mafia in American letters. This is a clique of New York-oriented writers and critics who control much of the literary scene through the influence of the quarterlies and intellectual magazines. All these publications are Jewish-dominated and this particular coterie employs them to make or break writers by advancing or withholding attention. I don’t think there’s any conscious, sinister conspiracy on their part—just a determination to see that members of their particular clique rise to the top. Bernard Malamud and Saul Bellow and Philip Roth and Isaac Bashevis Singer and Norman Mailer are all fine writers, but they’re not the only writers in the country, as the Jewish literary Mafia would have us believe. I could give you a list of excellent writers, such as John Knowles and Vance Bourjaily and James Purdy and Donald Windham and Reynolds Price and James Leo Herlihy and Calder Willingham and John Hawkes and William Goyen; the odds are you haven’t heard of most of them, for the simple reason that the Jewish Mafia has systematically frozen them out of the literary scene. Now, mind you, I’m not against any particular group adhering to its own literary values and advancing its own favored authors; such cliques have always existed in American letters. I only object when any one particular group—and it could just as well be Southern, or Roman Catholic, or Marxist, or vegetarian—gets a strangle hold on American criticism and squeezes out anybody who doesn’t conform to its own standards. It’s fine to write about specifically Jewish problems, and it often makes valid and exciting literature—but the people who have other messages to convey, other styles and other backgrounds should also be given a chance. Today, because of the predominance of the Jewish Mafia, they’re not being given that opportunity. This is something everyone in the literary world knows but never writes about.
It's obvious that Jews really are, on average, just smarter than Whites. /pol/ has never been the same since some enterprising spirit had the audacity to ask why "superior" Whites are under the Jew yoke. >it's just money, broNope. If it were that easy, American politicians would be gushing over Qatar, China, etc. >it's just blackmail, broNope. That just prompts the question of why Jewish security services are so superior to the rest and why China, Russia, etc., can't get literally every Congressperson except maybe two or three beholden to them.
>>24691568Yeah, the jews can't even imagine what's coming for them. My country is 2 nigger rapes away from gassing the moors and starting a race war against foreigners.
>>24691566Put it another way: would you let into your home someone who was been in jail for robbery 109 times?
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>>24691579Capote is not alone. Bobby Fisher told the same Jewish Mafia in chess. Their only problem is they cannot see the forest for the trees. To do that it took a genius like Hitler.
>>24691589Iran couldn't perform a single meaningful decap strike, bro. Just firing shit into empty barracks and empty buildings, even cuck warning America where they were going to fire.Meanwhile, Israel has assassinated Hezbollah leaders, Hamas leaders, Iranian leaders, Yemeni leaders, etc.
>>24691603Lol Israel was under a media lockdown. You wouldn’t know if Iran hit anything, but considering the kvetching I am confident they did.
>>24691554>Before speaking out against bombing and burning churches it would do good to you to read "Beyond Good and Evil" and "the Antichrist".Alright anon, I am of the opinion that Christian heritage and the west is intertwined, and every Mohammadean and Jeet needs to recognize and fall into line but I have never read these books, what will happen to me after I do?
>>24691611I can see quite plainly that the same ol' Israeli leaders are still walking around without a care in the world.
>>24691582>It's obvious that Jews really are, on average, just smarter than Whites. /pol/ has never been the same since some enterprising spirit had the audacity to ask why "superior" Whites are under the Jew yoke.they're not smart. They're just tricky and you know it, you kike.
>>24691635>they're not smart. They're just tricky "They're not smart. We're just dumb."
>>24691645If they are so smart why didn't figure out that their ethnic, to put it with Capote, mafia in nearly every important field of their host countries will eventually lead them up the chimneys in Auschwitz?Also, I'll be using nick name now, too.
>>24691629Infrastructure the basic physical and organizational structures and facilities (e.g. buildings, roads, power supplies) needed for the operation of a society or enterprise.
>>24691568I had to check if this was about the Jews or the Palestinians, because the Palestinians have also been expelled from most of the Arab states since 1948.
Since the Yemeni PM and his whole military leadership got ganked I have become convinced that the rumors about the Supreme Leader having dementia are true. It wouldn't be at all surprising given his age and it would explain why they didn't kill him when they seem to be able to kill the leadership of every party with impunity.In retrospect, given all these assassinations, the helicopter crash that killed the Iranian president looks a little sus too DESU.
>>24691737I mean, it should be obvious that if your opponent is ruled by a horrifically old man with an extended track record of failure who has almost led his country into revolt and civil war twice in the last two decades then you should leave him in place at all costs.It's the same reason why trying to assassinate Trump was the most retarded thing Iran could do. If you want the US led global order to collapse nothing could be better than that he serve 8 terms, going full Mugabi and getting increasingly deranged and infallible. Russia at least understood this.
>>24691766Do you have any proof of Iran trying to assassinate Trump besides a crystal ball?
>>24689682The moment Hamas surrenders, Gaza will turn into a West Bank 2.0 where Jewish apartheid and ethnic cleansing continues. The WB and East Jerusalem contain over 700 000 illegal Jewish settlers emboldened or flat out supported by the Israeli government. That and that alone is already sufficient proof you cannot negotiate with them.
>>24690988>>24690983>>24690975No response to these huh.
>>24690229I don't know how you got "Hasbara" out of my post that "Israel is thick as thieves with the U.S. military-industrial complex" and explaining how you can find companies that are involved in this dirty business, and you're like "NICE HASBARA." I don't really understand where that zero-to-ballistic reaction comes from. It's extremely overwrought.>>24691849Part of the problem is that both sides conclude that the actions of the other confirms them doubling down on a hardline, zero-sum attitude anyways. That can all be correct from Hamas' perspective, but the Israelis are looking at Hamas taking power in Gaza after they withdrew from there in 2005 and think "that will happen in the West Bank if we leave," which would be way worse for Israel because of the geography. It's much easier for the IDF to maneuver in the West Bank and bust up Palestinian militant groups than in Gaza, because the wall around Gaza also kept Israel out, which enabled Hamas to build up its forces and rockets there.So the Israelis are not going to give it up.I still don't quite understand why Hamas launched that attack, because it did provoke Israel into destroying Gaza. Like just as a strategy, it doesn't make sense to me unless it was some kind of religious thing, like yes the purpose was to provoke Israel into destroying Gaza because that will awaken the Islamic world, and if that happens, then Israel cannot survive. But it doesn't work out that way, Israel just destroys Gaza and it doesn't lead anywhere. There are just too many extremists there. Even if you get a pro-peace camp in power one side (and there really isn't any of that anymore), there are too many extremists who will wreck it.
>>24692105>the purpose was to provoke Israel into destroying Gaza because that will awaken the Islamic world,The prevailing theory is: ran, (+axis) would get directly involved and the 2 million Israeli Arabs would rise up in revolt like the slaves in Haiti to slaughter their masters. Iran was bluffing and the Israeli Arabs like being alive so here we are. The longest, slowest, stupidest genocide in history.
>>24692105He already told you why in >>24691849, because giving in was certain death. The war has been an incredible success from a strategic perspective for Hamas. Even if they were "destroyed" (whatever that would mean) it would still be a massive strategic success because Israel has completely destroyed decades of work and burned a million bridges to achieve nothing. The IDF itself admits the entire war has achieved nothing except damaging Israel's economy and international standing.It's all for the fantasies of settler retards: >“We ordered you [to carry out] a quick operation. In my opinion, you can besiege them. Whoever doesn’t evacuate, don’t let them. No water, no electricity, they can die of hunger or surrender. This is what we want and your capable [of doing it],” Smotrich reportedly said.>You don’t want to defeat [Hamas],” Smotrich is quoted as telling Zamir, who reportedly shouted back, “You don’t understand anything. You don’t know what a brigade or battalion is.Smotrich a few days ago repeated he wants the total conquest of Gaza and the West Bank, he wants to deny water and food, let them all die, etc., in a recorded speech. These people are just Jewish mirrors of Hamas, and they are actually far more extreme than Hamas because they wouldn't accept a peace or ceasefire, only annihilation of the enemy. At least Hamas would accept a recognition of Palestine at this point. The Palestinians know it's either fight or be annihilated by sneering Israelis, the worst people in human history.
>>24692173Iran doesn't have to do shit to Israel since Israel is trying to kill itself in four different ways on a weekly basis. What would you rather do if you were Iran: wait for the looming massive political crises and perhaps constitutional crises in Israel to play out, wait for civil unrest between the Haredim and settlers, and wait for brain drain and economic sanctions to continue, while doing nothing.. or waste missiles pushing Israel to the brink of threatening a nuclear response? That's why Iran exercised so much strategic restraint during the Twelve Day War while Israel was begging the US to broker a peace like the pathetic bitch it is, after using US tankers and intel to strike Iran in the first place, and burning through enormous amounts of the US THAAD stockpiles for nothing: https://www.twz.com/land/150-thaad-ballistic-missile-interceptors-fired-by-u-s-during-irans-barrages-on-israel-report>With all this in mind, it is worth pointing out that, based on the Pentagon’s Fiscal Year 2026 budget proposal, it could take the U.S. military four years just to secure the funding to replace all the THAAD interceptors reportedly fired in June. Iran benefits way more from a wounded Israel having internal crises for 5-10 years while affluent Israelis with multiple passports slowly leave the country. Iran WANTS Israel to waste another 2 years and provoke a civil war internally by going deeper into Gaza.
>>24692105Thanks, good faith anon. I'll address your post part by part and greentext the paragraph I'm addressing in order to save space.>paragraph 1I feel like you're describing a commonly framed Israeli security narrative. Israel never left Gaza unoccupied, not even after 2005. The misconception spawns from the erroneous assumption that ''withdrawing your troops from the area = ending the occupation'', which is legally false. Israel DID dismantle settlements and pull permanent military presence out of Gaza, but they simply recolated it around Gaza's periphery. They control what goes in, what goes out, together with who goes in and out. They control Gaza's borders, airspace, population registry, fishing zones, ICT infrastructure, electricity, imports and exports, trade, ... The Rafah crossing with Egypt was de facto ALSO controlled by Israel, as they had the final say.Not a single respectable international legal body says that (and now we are talking purely for the period 2005-2023)I) Israel isn't occupying GazaII) Israel's occupation of Gaza is legalSo under international law, Israel remained the occupying power. About Hamas, well... you need to consider that they did not come out of nowhere. Hamas had been a movements for decades prior to 2005 and gained support partly because of the corruption and ineffectiveness in Fatah (which rules the WB).After winning the 2006 elections (which by president Jimmy Carter's words were fair), Israel refused to recognise Hamas' government and imposed sanctions. I somehow doubt such a party could have come to power had Israel decided to respect international law with regards to the Gaza strip, which leads me to address: >''Israel fears another Gaza in the West Bank''Israel has massively, and I mean massively expanded settlements (illegal under international law) in the West Bank since 2005. They tightened control, doubled down on their occupation and apartheid and fragmented what's left of the West Bank into poorly connected bantustans. If you count the West Bank and East Jerusalem together, there's some 700 000 settlers illegally occupying these areas and they enjoy Israel's support in every thinkable way. I'm not looking for a gotcha, but if security was the goal, why would you move hundreds of thousands of your citizens into occupied territories? I believe the ''security fear'' is a thinly veiled territorial project. The fact the West Bank is purposefully fragmented emboldens that idea.Pointing to Gaza as evidence that Palestinians cannot govern themselves ignores that Israel has systematically prevented both Gaza and the West Bank from developing into viable, sovereign institutions. There's Israeli politicians whose platform is basically preventing that from ever happening, and they get more than enough votes. All of this is about entrenching permanent control.
>>24692178>The war has been an incredible success from a strategic perspective for Hamas>Iran benefits way more from a wounded Israel having internal crises for 5-10 So then what's the problem anon? The more gazans that die, the better is it for the destruction of Israel. If societal collapse is imminent, then you should be cheering on this war, encouraging Israelis to be more brutal to then further damage their reputation and Iran is somehow playing 5D chess. Persians trust the plan.
>>24689505Doctors without borders, save the Children, etc and 100 other human rights groups are all friends with terrorists and controlled by Hamas?
>>24691582their main superpower is how much more racist they are.
>>24692105>So the Israelis are not going to give it up.Yeah, Israel will continue to violate international law by way of indefinite (5 decades and counting now) occupation of the West Bank while intentionally strangling out any hopes for a state, because it claims to fear another Gaza.Israel never giving up implies no two-state solution, which implies that no matter how much concessions and goodwill the Palestinians show, Israel will remain ''fearful'' and continue materialising total control of the territories it occupies. This is essentially an argument for apartheid. One people in control, indefinitely, and the other without equal rights.It's not as if there are no alternatives to shoving 700 000 of your citizens to illegally squat in people's homes and farms. Israel could negotiate international security guarantees, demilitarisation or peacekeeping forces but it didn't. It kept expanding settlements, annexing land and entrenching control. As I said in my previous post, this is about expansion and security fears is just an excuse to refuse solutions.If you admit that Israel has chosen permanent occupation then you should walk away from the position it was ever about security. This flagrant lie has been used for 5 decades now to condemn an entire people to a live without freedom.Final addendum to this post, consider whether these words imply a mere negotiation stance, or official Israeli policy:>“I will not permit a Palestinian state to be created under my watch.”Benjamin Netanyahu, Reuters, March 16, 2015 >“I will do everything in my power to make sure they never get a state.”Naftali Bennett
Love how no one even pretends to see the request for book recs: just jump right in to yet another tired debate about Israel. At the very least this is a good containment thread.
>>24692272It will never stop being incredible to me that this was done by Jews. From everything I've learned about Jews right after WW2, including those who were in camps themselves, they were ready for a new beginning (especially in America) and they had extremely interesting reactions to "welp people just tried to systematically exterminate us." Who knows what would have come out of that, what new kinds of relationships Jews and Europeans might have developed with one another, maybe finally understanding one another. And then before that can happen, this death cult of a state comes along and channels all of it into brutalizing another subject people, in ways that mirror the Holocaust itself. And now all anyone will think about when they think of Jews is Israel and the financier parasites who gave Jews a bad name, AGAIN, to funnel money to Israel. Israel has been the ultimate shanda fur die goyim.
>>24692231nta but jesus dude im anti-zionist but do you even hear yourself? you sound like a hateful orc.
>>24692309I dislike Israel a lot.
>>24692301I mean it's not just Israel. Look at how they treat their liberators. Andrew Breitbart was completely right. And therefor, he was killed.
>>24692105>I still don't quite understand why Hamas launched that attack, because it did provoke Israel into destroying Gaza. Doesn't this statement admit how evil Israel is? Israel is a state and not an emotive child and therefore has a choice. It could either follow its obligations of acting within international law or do what it's doing now. Also, if Israel's reaction was due to a provocation, then wouldn't the frenzied violence against everything civilian have toned down with time? Instead we're seeing more: more spraying bullets into crowds of emaciated civilians, more deliberate starving of a civilian population, more bombing hospitals and refugee camps, more shooting children through the skull and more genocidal rhetoric not only against the people in Gaza but also the ones living in the West Bank.I think the reasons for attacking on Oct 7 are very clear: other Middle Eastern nations were warming up to Israel in the form of accords like Abraham. Gaza was sidelined and bound to be forgotten. Since Israel's genocidal campaign, this trajectory has been reversed. The attack had logic both strategically and politically, even if the results were catastrophic for Gaza. This wasn't religious extremism at all. There's thousands of court-quality, documented reasons for Palestinians to hate Israel. NGO's have written extensively about Israel's inhumane treatment of Palestinians before and after 7 Oct. ''Extremists on both sides'' is a very false symmetry. I can expound on this if you want.
>>24692309Not just that, it's not like they aren't mostly getting away with it anyways.Also the image looked scuffed, so this might be better
>>24692327Israel kept comparing it to 9/11 and the comparison could not be more apt. Both were obvious psyops where an attack they knew was coming was let through so it could be used as a propaganda cassus belli.
>>24692320I think it's a minority of neurotic ones ruining it for everyone else, and I can even understand the neurosis to some extent. Jews living in modern European societies was never going to end completely well. But we certainly maximized all the worst tendencies of the neurotic minority after WW2, and Israel acted as a fucking beacon for the most psychopathic ones to gather. When I think of the settlers I don't even think "evil," I think retarded people who have been misled by a zionist project that stopped being seriously viable in the 90s, if you could read the writing on the wall properly. Netanyahu's generation has raised generations of settlers with brains that cannot comprehend anything other than an outcome that will not be happening. Whatever does actually happen, their minds will snap in half when it happens. That's why Israel nuking its neighbors is not terribly unlikely.
>>24692332>picthese people are ontologically evil
>>24692340Like muslims, they do it with the tacit support of most others, even if they don't easily admit it openly.Or as chess genius Bobby Fischer put it "if there are so many good ones, why don't they say anything about the bad ones?". The Norman Finkelstein, Ron Unz, and I forget his name, the one that asked questions about auschwitz and made a documentary about it. They are incredibly rare. And they often pay a very high price, which shows how unwelcome moral objections are from their own group, and therefor how much support there is for it.
>>24692272>Benjamin Netanyahu, Reuters, March 16, 2015>“I will do everything in my power to make sure they never get a state.”Naftali BennettThere is no way you aren't Jewish, half, ex IDF or a Palestinian-Canadian. I hate Islam but I will not be reading the Quran or looking up Somali crime statistics. Your hatred is personal, and that is why you do not avoid immersing yourself in the world of your enemy. Tell us your origin without Doxxxing yourself anon.
>>24692301the great problem with the modern west is the idea that all victims are somehow holy and incapable of crime, when throughout history we've seen time and time again that any group can be extremely cruel, it's just that not many victims get the power to show it.what most people learned from the holocaust was that the nazis were irredeemably evil and barely human, not that any nation can turn genocidal.
>>24692375You cannot hate Israel after becoming intimately aware of how their society, history and political doctrine works. Mind you this is all after reading up on the issue through every medium available to non-Israelis (history books, documents, conversations with Israelis and Palestinians, international law, ...). ...I can only imagine how the Palestinians who have to actually experience this reality must feel.
The conflict between Iran and Israel is purely economic in regard to the former, but the latter is just schizophrenic with unwarranted supremacy complex. Most Iranians, including the mullahs, do not truly believe in Islam. They just use Islam as a pretext for geopolitical aspirations. This is not true for Israel and Jews who genuinely believe they are a "chosen people" destined to rule over goyim.After Israel massacred innocent Iranian civilians, only the most brain-washed emasculated cucks support Israel.Iran doesn't truly care for the Palestinians. Why should they when Palestinians keep screaming majoosi? The conflict is about stuff like BRI vs IMEE-EC and other related stuff.Iran is in a very bad situation.
>>24692397The question isn't whether Palestinians (or more generally, ''victims'' as you say) are incapable of crime. It's whether Israel as an occupying power is currently committing war crimes and crimes against humanity.International law is very clear about its neutrality: both occupier and occupied are accountable. The catch is that Israel's actions are carried out by a state with vastly greater power and impunity. This discrepancy in power also means they can solve it through other means (which they haven't because they don't want to). Instead, they continue shooting bullets through child skulls. The argument that when all of this happens, Palestinians should just take the moral high ground and do peaceful marches (by the way they tried this numerous times like in 2018 and Israel deployed its best snipers to cripple children by way of kneecapping or outright killing them) is REALLY fucking stupid. We've seen Israel act this way not because of moral grievance but just because it can.“UN investigators found Israeli snipers targeted children, medics, and journalists during peaceful marches in 2018.”
>>24688451i think i heard jewish people are a lot smarter than regular people
The biggest problem in this day and age is the lack of transparency from world leaders and peasant scum thinking religion still matters in geopolitics.
>>24692466800 000 Israeli Jews attended this guy's funeral btw
>>24692499True, I already mentioned that Jews have supremacy complex.Anyways, I view Jewishness is a crime against humanity, but there is nothing racially inherent in those who call themselves Jews that makes them bad imo. Jews are raised since birth to believe in genocidal nonsense about how they're a chosen race that's meant to enslave all goyim.However, my point was Iran is not truly Muslim. They are just *largely* using Islam as a pretext for geopolitical aspirations relating to BRI vs IMEE-EC. It's not about the Palestinians for the Iranians. Most Palestinians hate Iranians more than they do Jews.
>>24692410Meant to say ''You cannot like Israel after...''
>>24692440I was refering to your "It will never stop being incredible to me that this was done by Jews" comment
>>24692447That intelligence is a LARP mostly. Most Asians would outperform them in almost everything
>>24692768there is no jewish intelligence. They just help one another.
>>24688629Yes, this is what we're all complaining aboutretarded argument
>>24692528How can any woke person hate Iranians more than the "god's chosen people"?
>>24692440The UN and international NGOs are at war against Israel, Been that way for decades but taken to a whole new level recently. It's practically their entire identity and purpose considering they're useless in everything else they pretend to care about, There are more resolutions, "unique" cases (aka double standards and rules manipulation) and targeted attention directed to Israel than the entire world combined.
>>24693070I see it all the time. Iranians are the most hated people right now and then whites.
>>24693081arent most american ngos jewish?
friendly reminder that all abrahamic religions are demonic and false and that the greatest catastrophe in western history is the merger of greco-roman culture with these demonic moloch-ba'al cults. christianity for example is almost start to finish platonic in nature, but with an actual jewish middleman between you and virtue/self-perfection constantly shaming and guilt tripping you into being an obedient feudal serf
>>24693133Why greco-roman, though? Read the eddas!
>>24692360the more i learn, the more i seem to realise that jewish culture has to go extinct for humanity to progress to the next step
>>24693081Yes, all the NGOs are just hamas anon and all the videos of refugee camps being bombed are pallywood.
>>24693081Claiming that the UN and NGO's worldwide have a unique obsession and bias against Israel is a classic hasbara talking point. The UN doesn't ''single out'' Israel, it's responding to a uniquely long occupation. Israel has been the occupying power in the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza since 1967. Already one unique thing about this is that this is the longest military occupation in modern history. The UN charter, Geneva convention and security council all have rules and resolutions that Israel violates. There is no other case with this duration, intensity and settlement enterprise -- of course it generates resolutions. Israel has ignored or flat out violated DOZENS of binding Security Council resolutions (242, 338, 497, 2334). Other conflicts like Rwanda also produced similar investigations, tribunals and resolutions -- but guess what? After those ended (or those governments changed) the resolutions stopped. The fact that Israel is still on the agenda reflects its non-compliance and impunity. Not bias. NGO's don't target Israel alone either. Amnesty, HRW, MSF and others produce a wealth of reports on China, US torture, Myanmar, Sudan, etc. It gets even better: Israeli NGO's like B'Tselem, Breaking the Silence, Yesh Din (many staffed by IDF veterans, lawyers, doctors) independantly echo what the international NGO's say and document the same daily abuses. Breaking the Silence actually has an entire FAQ page just for talking points like yours. If you were expert in NGO knowledge as your post suggests, I challenge you to dismantle what they say. >https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/about/qa Finally, let's say there IS a world conspiracy: let's say all neutral NGO's break their principles on neutrality and just hate Israel ...what does it change about the facts? The facts of settlement expansion, collective punishment, and occupation don’t disappear. They’re visible on the ground. The idea that the mountains in evidence of Israel's war crimes and crimes against humanity only exist because of some esoteric, concealed motive is insulting to the intelligence of the reader. So maybe if Israel doesn't want to be the target of international and domestic NGO's, resolutions and sanctions -- it could simply start following international law?
>>24693081Your argument is pretty much that of a repeat offender complaining the justice system is out to get him. You're the problem buddy, not the courts. Learn to live in a world where you are not above the rule of law.
>>24693625>>24693081International law is a weird globalist and semitic concept to begin with, created initially to be able to destroy germany. But the goyim were hypnotised by the idea of it, and now it's antisemitism to want to apply the same rules to israel.Another golem created that seeks to destroy its creator.
>>24692232Hamas is everywhere. Have you ever seen one of those Israeli soldier stripping kids of their clothes for seemingly no reason? He was actually checking for Hamas terrorist hiding inside the kid's clothes. Hamas has access to miniaturizing technology, that's how they have been able to evade the IDF for so long.
>>24693081Hey FUCKTARD. STOP PUTTING HOT RODS UP IMPRISONED CHILDREN'S ASSES. The level of victimization never ceases to amaze.
>>24688451>>24688629The book actually was criticised a lot by people like Chomsky
>>24693732
>>24693757are you saying Chomsky's opinion is less valid because he spent time with Jeffrey Epstein?
>>24693776I want to see his arguments. I don't care about the man behind them. My aunt also criticises the weatherman.
>>24693781https://chomsky.info/20060328/
>>24693732>>24693783Interesting. I want to point however to posts made by anons itt, particularly the ones replying to >>24688629, like >>24688834Why is Israel so beneficial for US interests that it requires breaking ties with every other nation (or blatant regime change) in the Middle East? Why are protests against the MIC and big oil fine, but as soon as foreign students opens their mouth they gets deported from the country. Can Chomsky point to instances where the US treats critics of the MIC or big oil the way they're sanctioning Francesca Albanese and barring her from the country? Unprecedented.You can say whatever you want about Lockheed Martin, but Mahmoud Khalil was illegally detained over his activism re Israel.Also>campus crackdownNot even occupy wallstreet saw this shit. Come on now. Also, why are Israeli instigators allowed to beat up peaceful protestors while the policy stands by and watches? Why are pedophiles like Tom Alexandrovich allowed to go back to Israel after blatant breaches of law? Finally: Jonathan Pollard ring a bell? Why would a vassal state do this?
>>24691568And they've gained immensely from doing soOh wait, they're still shitholes
>>24692191Inbred raghead delusionsHow long do you think it will take for Iran, a country with a failing economy and perpetual power outages, to restore their ballistic missile stockpiles?
>>24694029Cyrus made a mistake freeing ""them"". Hopefully one day his tomb is "decorated".
>>24694029YES! Keep fighting all your neighbours YES YES YES. You will win! Just don't stop killing civilians en masse for the world to see. In two more weeks it's all yours!
>>24694029ALL HAIL MOLOCH, SLAUGHTER THE CHILDREN, KILL THEM ALL, BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
>>24694029You have done nothing to convince your neighbours not to hate you. In fact, you made the entire world hate you.You had security, international standing, trade, a respected army, diplomatic coverage, etc. You gave all that up to demonically slaughter 2 million civilians in a 8 to 5 mile area and as IDF reports suggest it brought you NOWHERE.
>>24694029Your country is going down the shitter because Hamas leadership knew you just couldn't help yourself from killing children on livestreams and gloating about it.
>>24694095>Hamas leadership knew you just couldn't help yourself from killing childrenSo Hamas started a war they knew they couldn't win in order to sacrifice their own children while they hide in the tunnels, to convince people to hate Israel?Certainly this is Moloch worshipping behavior and is either insane or relies on zealot belief in Jannah and martyrdom.
>>24694129Care to engage with the big boy discussions in >>24693620 >>24692440>>24692327>>24692272or are you content with spending your time on dropping zingers?
>>24694129>started a warBe careful if you argue that starting a war justifies genocide.
Gas the jews.
>>24694129Out of curiosity, let's parse your statement>sacrifice their own children Who is forcing Israel to kill children? I don't want you to say ''kkkkhamas'' and then scurry away. I want a honest answer for why Israel views it necessary to corral civilians into small spaces and then bomb these designated ''safe zones'', or to empty their magazine in a child, or to execute medical personnel and then bury them together with their ambulance?Who is forcing them to do that?Who is forcing ministers like Moshe Feiglin to say ''every baby in Gaza is an enemy'' ? Or for Netanyahu to gloat that the people of Gaza ''will have nothing to return home to''?>while they hide in the tunnelsIf anything the tunnels not being allowed for civilians in is proof that Hamas is NOT using civilian infrastructure to conduct military operations from. Can Israel prove that every hospital, kindergarten, refugee camp, university, was actually a super secretive Hamas headquarters? >to convince people to hate Israel?People hate Israel because of the way Israel acts. See my first paragraph.
>>24694144>Care to engage with the big boy discussionsG-D damn anon, I can't engage with ALL of thia, is there a specific point you feel like nobody has the balls to address? My point is if even if you hate Russians, why support the Taliban?
>>24694181>is there a specific point you feel like nobody has the balls to address?Feel free to choose.
>>24694151Good idea!
>>24694178>or to empty their magazine in a child, or to execute medical personnel and then bury them together with their ambulanceYou seem to be making a part to whole fallacy here, mentioning war crimes and then claiming they add up to a whole genocide. Did Americans commit genocide in the gulf war? Afghanistan? but this definition could be stretched to include any group in any war. During Floyd summer 2020 SJW's took police misconduct and convinced isolated zoomers that we must abolish the police, etc.
>>24694208>You seem to be making a part to whole fallacy here, mentioning war crimes and then claiming they add up to a whole genocide.I didn't make a “part-to-whole” argument. I gave examples of systematic Israeli military doctrine used to conduct the genocide. Genocide isn’t proven by tallying random war crimes but about intent, which courts can infer from patterns, policies, and leadership conduct (see the Genocide Convention). Two facts anon can personally check:- The ICJ found a plausible risk of genocide in Gaza (Jan 2024) and ordered Israel to prevent genocidal acts and allow aid. Israel flaunted these court measures -- conclusion?- The ICC has arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant, including for starvation as a method of warfare, a policy-level crime that goes directly to “conditions of life'' (see the Genocide Convention).Also, the IPC (and WHO) have now confirmed famine in Gaza Governorate. Again, “conditions of life” evidence, not isolated misconduct. Dismissing my post as a fallacy ignores what the top courts and UN mechanisms have already put on the record.
>>24694208>oops I bombed a hospital>oops I did it again>and this time to a refugee camp!>...>dude, genocide? don't be ridiculous!
>>24694272>>24694144>or are you content with spending your time on dropping zingers?I'm shitposting between work emails, so my Zingers are fine. Everyone ITT big Globalist UN people? Everyone dismisses them until they make a ruling that supports their position, and then brag about their argument from authority.>see the Genocide ConventionArticle 2 of the Convention defines genocide as: any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious groupSo broad, "whole or in part," TRA's frequently speak of the trans Genocide, by that logic. The true definition is more like how Supreme Court Justice potter Stewart said when referencing obscenity: "I know it when I see it." and for most of the world, they don't see it. Now answer my question, how is that not a Moloch worshiping trade? Do nothing to ease the suffering of your people, and trade their lives for feelings of outrage towards your enemy?
>>24694478that is to say, most people don't think that there is any "intent" but if you are a sex scandal plagued muslim judge who wants to make a name for himself and attack his enemies, the intent is there. Same as how every American General knew there was no WMD in Iraq but said fuck it, let's just do it and be legends
>>24694478Genocide law isn't ''I know it when I see it.'' This is a juvenile way of viewing the world.Neither is the Genocide Convention “broad” in the way you suggest. It sets a high bar precisely to avoid diluting the meaning of the term. Courts require specific intent (dolus specialis) and usually a “substantial part” of the group (quantitative or qualitative). This straight from the leading genocide cases (Akayesu; Krstić). As I said previously, the ICJ already found a plausible genocide risk as early as January 2024 and ordered Israel to prevent it and allow aid (orders it flouted); the ICC has warrants for Israeli leaders, including starvation as a method of warfare (ask yourself what that's intended to do to civilians); and the IPC and WHO confirm famine.As for your weasel tactic to frame civilian deaths as self-inflicted: IHL isn't reciprocal. Even if the enemy violates rules, your obligations still hold. If you want to argue the label, do so by engaging the legal tests and court record, not by shitposting.I'd say finish your work emails before writing another response.
>>24694478>I'm shitposting between work emails, so my Zingers are fine.kek
>>24694029https://www.twz.com/land/150-thaad-ballistic-missile-interceptors-fired-by-u-s-during-irans-barrages-on-israel-report“Operating alongside Israeli systems, THAAD operators burned through munitions at a furious clip, firing more than 150 missiles to shoot down the waves of Iranian ballistic missiles, according to U.S. officials,” per the Journal‘s story. “That is nearly a quarter of the interceptors ever purchased by the Pentagon.”U.S. Navy “warships also went through interceptors at an alarming rate, the acting chief of naval operations, Adm. James Kilby, said on Capitol Hill in June. During the 12-day war, the ships shot about 80 SM-3s at Iranian threats, according to a U.S. official,” the Journal reported. “There also are concerns in the Pentagon that the SM-3s, first used in combat last year, also to counter an Iranian attack, didn’t destroy as many targets as expected, according to two defense officials. The military now is carefully looking through each launch to better understand what happened. Concerns about the U.S. military’s relatively limited inventory of SM-3s had already emerged after those missiles were used to help protect Israel from Iranian missile attacks last year. In May, the manufacturer of those interceptors, Raytheon, received a new contract worth $1 billion to produce additional Block IB variants. MDA, which also manages the SM-3 program, had previously moved to stop buying Block IBs entirely in favor of more capable but also much more expensive Block IIA versions of the missile. The unit price for the Block IB is around $12.5 million, while the price tag on a single Block IIA is currently around $37 million. However, it is worth noting that Iran employed a number of ballistic missile types for the first time in combat during the war in June, including ones with features claimed to be designed to defeat missile defenses, as well as ones with cluster munition payloads.With all this in mind, it is worth pointing out that, based on the Pentagon’s Fiscal Year 2026 budget proposal, it could take the U.S. military four years just to secure the funding to replace all the THAAD interceptors reportedly fired in June.
>>24694029‘We are on the precipice of defeat’: Former IDF chiefs of staff, intel chiefs demand end to Gaza warMore than a dozen former senior security officials put out a joint video with a call to end the war in Gaza, arguing that Israel has racked up more losses than victories, and that the fighting has dragged on for political reasons rather than being based on strategic military decisions.Among the 19 retired IDF chiefs of staff, intelligence chiefs, Shin Bet and Mossad directors and police commissioners are former IDF chief of staff and prime minister Ehud Barak, former chiefs of staff Moshe Ya’alon and Dan Halutz, and ex-Shin Bet director Yoram Cohen.“Each of these people sat in cabinet meetings, operated in the inner circles, attended all the most sensitive decision-making processes, the most delicate,” says a voiceover at the start of the video by way of introduction. “Together, they have more than a thousand years’ experience in national security and diplomacy.”Former military intelligence chief Amos Malka posits that Israel is “well over a year past the point where we could have ended the war with a sufficient operational achievement.”Instead, supplies ex-Shin Bet director Nadav Argaman, “we are now mostly offsetting losses.”“We are on the precipice of defeat,” concurs former Mossad director Tamir Pardo.“What the world sees today is of our own creation,” he says of the dire humanitarian conditions in the Gaza Strip, brought about by long months of war with Hamas. “We are hiding behind a lie that we wrought. This lie was sold to the Israeli public, and the world has long since understood that it doesn’t reflect the real picture.”“There are moments that represent a black flag in which one must stand firm and say: This far and no further,” Ya’alon declares. “Right now, we have a government that the messianic zealots have pulled in a certain, irrational direction.”“They are a minority,” agrees Cohen, “but the problem is that the minority controls the policy.”
>>24694580Brutal
>>24694029https://www.ynetnews.com/business/article/b1ihi92tgeThe missile damage inflicted by Iran’s strikes on Israel earlier this year has reached record levels, according to the Israel Tax Authority. Officials said that within just 12 days, a record 53,599 claims for direct damage were filed.“The direct damage is now estimated at no less than NIS 4 billion ($1.1 billion), and the indirect damage, which has yet to be calculated, will amount to several billion more,” said Tax Authority Director Shay Aharonovich. The figures include the heavy damage sustained at the Weizmann Institute of Science, Soroka Medical Center and the long-term shutdown of many businesses.Of the total, 9,803 claims were filed through a fast-track process. Property claims were by far the largest category, with 41,962 filed for damaged structures—36,928 of them for private residences. Hundreds of homes were completely destroyed and will have to be rebuilt, a process that could take months or even years. In the meantime, the state will need to cover the cost of alternative housing for displaced residents.Damage to businesses also reached record levels, with 5,108 claims filed, including hundreds of shops and offices destroyed beyond repair. In total, 28,129 direct-damage claims were processed within two months, the authority said.Vehicle damage claims were also unprecedented: at least 5,400 cars were destroyed or damaged in the missile fire.Officials warned that the final total—factoring in both direct and indirect damages—will end up “several times higher” than the current estimates.>The authorities admit those costs could end up “several times higher” than direct damages. That suggests a final bill in the NIS 15–20b range (~$4–5b+), which is several times the cost of a Gaza round. For comparison: in the entire 2006 Lebanon War, Israel reported about NIS 9b in damages. This exceeds that.
>>24694611>The figures include the heavy damage sustained at the Weizmann Institute of ScienceDidn't they destroy years (or decades) of valuable research since they hit the server room too?
>>24694562>Neither is the Genocide Convention “broad” in the way you suggest. It sets a high bar precisely to avoid diluting the meaning of the term. Courts require specific intent (dolus specialis) and usually a “substantial part” of the group (quantitative or qualitative). This straight from the leading genocide cases (Akayesu; Krstić).Since you accept the UN authority is unbiased and free of politics somehow, do you accept their authority that kkhhhhamasl leadership is guilty of war crimes and attacking civilians? Before they tragically reaped what they sowed, Haniya and Sinwar and Deif all had warrents:In light of the coordinated killings of members of civilians at several separate locations, the Chamber also found that the conduct took place as part of a mass killing of members of the civilian population, and it therefore concluded that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the crime against humanity of extermination was committed.Furthermore, in the context of 7 October Operation, the Chamber found that a large number of persons were seized from various locations in Israel, including Kfar Aza, Holit, Nir Oz, Be’eri, Nahal Oz, and the Supernova festival. The victims were civilians, including children and elderly people, as well as members of the IDF (Israeli Defence Forces). After being taken to Gaza, most of them were detained in secret locations, including apartments and underground tunnels. A number of groups participated in seizing and detaining these persons: the al-Qassam Brigades, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad al-Quds, and other Palestinian armed groups. The Chamber found that Hamas was in control of the hostages as of the start of their detention in Gaza, irrespective of the group affiliation of the individuals initially seizing the hostages. The Chamber also found that hostage taking in the context of the 7 October Operation was conducted with the aim to negotiate their release in exchange for Palestinian prisoners held in Israel. In light of the above, the Chamber considered that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the war crime of hostage taking was committed.The Chamber further found that, while they were held captive in Gaza, some hostages, predominantly women, were subjected to sexual and gender based violence, including forced penetration, forced nudity, and humiliating and degrading treatment. On the basis of the material presented, the Chamber found reasonable grounds to believe that the crimes of torture as a crime against humanity and war crime, rape and other forms of sexual violence as crimes against humanity and war crimes, cruel treatment as a war crime, and outrages upon personal dignity as a war crime were committed against these persons during the relevant period.https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-state-palestine-icc-pre-trial-chamber-i-issues-warrant-arrest-mohammed-diab-ibrahim
>>24694640>israel's defence at the war crimes tribunal is literally "hamas did it too"
>>24694640You're pivoting away from legal framework and backing into ''gotcha'' territory. I see what you're going for, but you're not going to box me into either accepting or rejecting ICC authority or the validity of IHL wholesale. >but le warrantsAcceptance of ICC warrants for Hamas leadership in no way binds me to treating every UN or ICC decision beyond politics. These rulings can merit scrutiny and be examined on an individual basis, just as with any legal body. Quoting directly from a warrant, however, does not address the point: you cannot invoke authority only when it's supportive of your stance while dismissing it as le globalist when it doesn't.For clarity: under IHL it's lawful to resist occupation. Specific acts like targeting civilians or hostage-taking are not. The ICC addressess those facts without erasing the underlying legality of resistance. Israel would also have garnered more international sympathy, had they not been committing crimes against humanity for 5 decades.You might want to take a longer break before drafting a next reply, and maybe proofread your emails more too.
>>24694676Have you actually seen the ICC trials that were being livestreamed in early '24? You're not far off. Their legal defense was hysteria.
>>24688451>Why did they gloss over the argument that Israel's benefit to the US (yes, unironically) transcends that of a mere military base.I haven't read this book, but as I understand it, Mearsheimer is the preeminent realist theorist today, so it makes sense.
>>24694677digits of truth
>>24693081The President of the United States casually admitted yesterday that Congress is controlled by Jews and it somehow doesn't make any of these hasbara imbeciles think twice about their sharing their ridiculous pro-Israeli talking points that not even Zionists believe. It's fucking maddening. I've never seen a more frustrating group of people. It's like no one else on the planet exists aside from Jews, no one is worthy of even being treated as a functioning, rational human capable of their own judgments.
>>24694764They lie like Indians or Chinese, just shamelessly and retardedly.
>>24694677Listen up old bean, nobody ITT wants to wade through your wibbly wobbly UN codes. Knowing them doesn't mean you are correct with this genocide situation, it is not sufficient. >you cannot invoke authority only when it's supportive of your stanceYou are telling us they have authoritative status and cannot be questioned. The UN is a Globo-homo shuffle, could be correct on some things, but not infallible on politically contentious issues. Americans don’t think there’s a trans genocide, if Chase Strangio wants to win a case at the UN after Judge shopping, I wouldn't give her a second thought. Int he court of public opinion, where it really matters, mostly people who already hated Israel are convinced there is a genocide. Not a single Arab country or any of Israel’s many enemies help. Evacuation by Sea? Rafah crossing? UN Peacekeeping force? You claim the whole world hates Israel, yet they get attacked in Europe by low IQ north African migrants and the whole world didn’t march on Gaza, just a small contingent of DSM5 havers who promptly got beat up Egyptians. I postulate the whole world looked at the evidence and doesn’t think there’s a genocide. The circular reasoning here being there’s enough power and animosity to defy Israel if there was.
>>24694764>The President of the United States casually admitted yesterday that Congress is controlled by Jewssource
>>24695008>You’re too young to know this, but if you go back 15 years, probably that’s when it started, right. Israel, you would understand this very much, Israel was the strongest lobby I’ve ever seen. They had total control over Congress, and now they don’t, you know, I’m a little surprised to see that.
>>24694915*cracks fingers*You claim I am saying these institutions are “infallible.” Fake. I’ve been explicit: rulings must be weighed individually, scrutinised like any legal finding engaging with the evidence and legal content. You've been open to do so the entire discussion but never bothered addressing it (and crickets still). What you cannot do, but what you keep doing, is to decry the UN or ICC as “globalist cabals” when their conclusions condemn Israel, only to discover their wisdom when they flatter your prejudices. Then the detour: “globo-homo shuffle,” “trans genocide,” Chase Strangio. This is rhetorical confetti. The fact that you must reach into American culture wars to evade a discussion of Gaza only underscores my earlier point (you being a sore loser). Shall we also summon the Peloponnesian War to explain away Gaza?>public perceptionYou’re slipping, though, from engaging with the legal definition of genocide (as the destruction of a people) to framing it as the moment when states intervene to stop it, which of course no genocide in history ever was. By your logic, the Nazi extermination of Jews was not genocide until Allied troops marched into Auschwitz. Rwanda was not genocide until the French belatedly declared it so. Srebrenica was not genocide until after the graves were opened. This lazy sophistry is what you get when people want to justify killing children.You may not like the law (sympathizers of criminals rarely do) and you’re free to send scented letters to Israel’s hysterical leaders once they’re in prison, but are not a lawyer, and the custodianship of law does not depend on you.That Arab governments are complicit or craven does not absolve Israel; it condemns them too. The failure of states to act does not prove the absence of genocide. When the United States armed Indonesia as it slaughtered hundreds of thousands in East Timor, did silence prove there was no massacre?So yes, laugh, sneer, and toss around your epithets. But know this: every time you deride law as “wibbly wobbly,” you admit that you're too much of a debatelet to confront it head on. And every time you insist the absence of resistance means the absence of crime, you unwittingly (your own epithet, well-earned) rehabilitate the oldest and ugliest excuse in history: that the victim was not saved, and therefore the victim was never killed.
>>24695091I'm off work and going to go have sex with a woman, if thread still up tomorrow I'll respond, but give me your hardest question.However, my point is a deep knowledge of IHL and ICC is not needed to debate/know the subject, indeed, most of your comrades serving in the Instagram brigades have opinions formed by Al Jazeera and that hot French politician who was on the selfie yacht.
>>24695161Pure posturing? I can do that better: since you can’t claim legal expertise anymore, all that’s left is fantasy.
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>>24695200His wife asked him why he's not coming to bed.
all my homies hate bronze age moloch cults
is mearsheimer compromised?
>>24695213>>24695200>>24695395You faggots would like that wouldn't you? the feeling of power over another man's emotions, the ability to make him cry in order to make yourselves feel better. THATS GAY! I only give women who love me that power.
>>24695527Okay, sorry to make you cry. Please answer the post now.
>>24695091Sorry, I couldn't hear all that over the the sound of another 10,000lbs of JDAM blasting your Hamas friends into jelly.
>>24688778Everyone's analysis of Israel has been misled for the past several decades because people stupidly try to understand it with materialism when the truth is much simpler and much dumber. You eventually fall into a quagmire trying to define Israel as a military outpost, a proxy state, an entity strictly in the settler-colonial framework, etc. Leftists found this out the hard way especially. These analyses don't give any answers because it's evident in the end that Israel's existence fundamentally does not benefit the Middle East or the West in any way and so there's no reason to think here is a grand strategic material plan for needing to keep it alive.No, Israel is sustained by the West because of an utterly delusional ideology that emerged after WW2 where Israel is the culmination of 3,000 years of Western history and the country is a monument to a shared "Judeo-Christian" culture. Evangelicals genuinely believe that it's their religious duty to support Israel, non-Christian Zionists worship the country just as much because they draw some ridiculous ambiguous continuity with it and their own societies. Literally this is the only reason for why Israel is so worshipped. It's part of the post-war myth, it's the essential foundation for it -- the ancient Jewish people who were persecuted by the forces of darkness emerged victorious and finally returned to their homeland, building a state using the light of the West and its values. It's the perfect story. Get rid of Israel and you get rid of the whole myth of modern civilization. It is entirely an ideological issue, and it's so fucking absurd that most people can't even conceive that this is the root of the conflict. But it is. You have to just face it at this point. The State of Israel itself is a sacred idol of modernity, and we sacrifice people at the altar to show our devotion. This is what it's all about.
>>24695584Moshe, that was the sound of one of your few competent soldiers shooting himself in the brain in his car because he got called up for reserve duty for the seventh time. Maybe if you had served even once he wouldn't have had to serve seven times? But that would make you a loser according to your culture, right? You truly are a fascinating people. Anyway, you're rationing JDAM kits because 70 percent of the American public and the entire Indo-Pacific Command think it's a waste giving them to you since you can't even defeat guys in sandals w>>24695550ith them.
