Someone redpill me on this bitch. Is she just bad, or do her books have any literary merit whatsoever?
>>24690496BWC
>>24690496Are people still not bored of Asian diaspora literature
>>24690496Appreciate the nipples, but doubtful about the writing.
>>24690496smart but not talented. People tend to mistake talent and intellectual, and accidentaly mixed them both to describe someone, and for kuang case they treated her as the current /happening/ in literary world while she's just none other than your average fiction writer
>>24690496>redpill me on this bitchrumor I saw was that she spent her entire university debate career trying to suck off as many white cocks on the debating team as possible. Every time! Every single time!>do her books have meritThey have tons of merit if you're 19, have a Tumblr account, and read exclusively YA and Greek mythology until you were 18
>>24690733Neither smart nor talented. Plus she has a busted up pan face.
Her writing from a technical level is passable but thematically possesses all the subtlety of a brick to the face. Most of how aggro she comes across about how white people bad is probably her trying to make up for the fact she's engaged to a white man.
>>24690550Apparently it sells well it seems. What do I know though?
>>24690496I saw Gino, who serves me up my kinos at the Kinoplex, reading Babel by R.F Kuang.Gino is hot btw.
>female writer >plays the race cardyeah, she's trash.
>>24690946>Neither smart nor talented.Goergetown, Cambridge Oxford YaleCoached debate teams, grew up in Texas and grandparents fought against the chinese communists and is anti-woke.Let's all put some respect on her name.
>>24690496Do bitches nowadays just not give a fuck about their nipples poking out? I remember even back then sluts would balk at the thought of not wearing a bra and having their nipples show to the world. In ten years women will just be wearing that little skin colored patch they put on their nipples
>>24690496What are women thinking when they show their nips like this? I passed by one on the other day and the moment I noticed her pokies I couldn't stop myself from staring, it was like my eyes were darting away but pulled back again and I think I embarrassed her so much she instinctively raised her hands to her chest. This wouldn't have happened if she'd just worn a bra. For context I live in an Asian country and she was a relatively young caucasian woman, so this was an unusual event for me.
>>24691135it's a gaudy display of sexuality disguised as naturality regardless it is a provocation against all men daring them to view her as a sex object and placing them in an impossible position — should you leer, you instantly become a great creep, and should you not leer, your sum personality is reduced to "not leering" .. the only possible victory is to take your eyes out with a small knife .. I carry a petite butterfly knife for this express purpose .. yes the womanly wiles truly knows no bounds .. the greeks write about this ..
>>24690496hapa baby factory
>>24691146after much pondering and walking around in circles I've realised that there is a second option besides taking your eyes out: chopping your manhood off, root and stem! yes, perhaps this is even better, because it deals with the issue at the "root", a compleat disarmament treaty, as it were, placing oneself in a compleatly neutral position (which is the only victory, indeed!) yes so chop the nuts and bolts off, cleanly, with one fell blow, perhaps with a kind of arabic saif, that would be best .. and then enjoy the healing process .. and then, the next time you see a woman with her nipples standing proudly at attention whilst in public, you should whip your pants down, and display your humble stub !! and point at the stub, and say "see, see, see!" while waggling your eyes around quite soberly. this way you shall certainly be no fool.
>>24690496https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/r-f-kuang-and-the-endless-regress
>>24691157And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire
>>24691131They think it's liberating or something. Really they're degrading themselves for the benefit of men
>>24691157>>24691146Yes I did both these things. But it did not work. Women still accused me of leering and becoming excited. They pointed at my own nipples and pointed out how they were very hard and pointy. When I pointed out that her nipples were also hard and pointy, her entire head split open like a flower and a little bead of light flew out. I don't think she was human at all. You must be careful out there anons. We are not alone.
>>24691124Going to a bunch of faggoty ivy league schools means nothing other than being able to work hard for 4 years. And I say that as a graduate of one of the ones listed. Also you're a reddit spacing faggot and you sound like a fag and you should kill yourself.
>>24691124Regurgitating the right things to get into ivy leagues doesn't have anything to do with her writing ability.Her coaching debate teams if anything explains how bludgeoning her treatment of the themes she deals in is.
>>24691135>what are women thinking when they show their nips like this?"I hope Chad eyefucks me." it's not that hard to understand. She wants to be stared at and chatted up and flirted with by a very attractive white man. In all likelihood, you are not that man. She also wants to receive ambient sexual attention because being desired feels good just generally speaking.
>>24691124>academia is HORRIBLE and RACIST and we have to BURN IT DOWN>I'm an ivy league striver teehee validation validation validationWhy are they all like this?
>>24691131I just spent a week in Europe and I saw so many fucking nipples. Now I genuinely wonder if it's just American to hide nipples so fervently.
>>24691167shit like this is why I still come on /lit/, thank you for linking an actually good piece on her
>>24691256Has she actually spoken against academia or are you speaking generally? It's types like Kuang who've turned universities into daycares for overachieving young women who love studying and being told what to do
>>24691369I've regularly read him for a long time and it was relevant, so I thought I may as well link it. I'm surprised anyone read it though , let alone replied, so thanks for that.
>>24691372It's what her book Babel is about. She's given a lot of interviews about the book too, as if the book's message wasn't obvious enough already
I have it on good authority that she sucked her way to the top. Powerful suction, too. Not just a quickie, lickie, spitty type. Monstrous way with her lips and cheeks. And tongue. God, the tongue. It is forked, like a snake. She puts one and then the other fork into your third eye and alternates like that, and draws the fork up the shaft and ahh! You explode into that warm, gooey mouth, replete with Korean spit, which is thicker than American spit on account of their diet.
I swear to god I thought this was the Jade City/Green Bone saga girl when I read this whole thread. I realized my mistake and wanted to check the Green Bone Saga author's name so I googled "FC Yee" only to realize that's the name of the Avatar The Last Airbender novels lol.Can't keep my Asian American authors straight. Am I racist?
>>24691427I started the book not knowing anything about it or the author, just heard it was Historical Fantasy about Linguistics. Like 2 chapters in I knew it was a female author. It's covered in footnotes saying "Imperialism really was that bad, here's a fun fact about awful western people."
>>24691395>True satire has to destabilize; it has to risk alienating the very people who would think of themselves as its natural audience. Yellowface never takes that risk. Kuang props up straw versions of industry villains (exploitative publishers, oblivious white women) without ever examining the deeper ambiguities of ambition, envy, and identity that could have made the book dangerous. It pretends to lampoon race discourse while actively rehearsing its most anodyne bromides. It claims to expose the way writers commodify pain while existing itself as a commodification, a slick package of publishing-scandal aesthetics designed to go viral on BookTok. Yellowface exemplifies the very disease it pretends to diagnose: literature reduced to discourse, fiction bent into the shape of online debate. It isn’t a satire of the system, but product placement within it. Kuang wants the glow of rebellion without the costs, the posture of provocation without the substance. It’s a hollow performance, made even weirder by the fact that Kuang’s sci-fantastical work appears genuinely motivated.This is exactly right, IMO. "Yellowface isn't satire, it's product placement" is one hell of a zinger
>>24691124>Goergetown,>Cambridge>Oxford>YaleDamn, that's embarassing! All that education and she's still a retard who can't create anything worth a shit. Goes to show how these woman-coopted instititions have been steadily losing credibility for decades.>her grandparents fought against the Chinese So she's a fair weather friend who'll sell out her own when it's most personally convenient? Good to know--keep that stinking traitor bitch away from me (implying there's any relation between a person and their parents's parents, in any case).
>>24691515>implying there's any relation between a person and their parents's parentsDo you have a missing father Tyrone? If you grow up in an anti-communist household that literally fought a war against them, yes belief in western excellence and individualism is implied.
>>24691575>If you grow up in an anti-communist household that literally fought a war against them, yes belief in western excellence and individualism is implied.Is your argument really that children are necessarily ideological clones of their grandparents? Don't bother.>western excellenceLet's not confuse what she's actually written---like all Asian diaspora lit, it's all an elaborate, disguised cope over the butthurt she felt when someone told her that her kimchi fucking stunk in the 1st grade. Nobody cares.
>>24691513>Your waves at disdain towards the meritocratic world are a means to advance yourself within it, and you know it, and Hsu knows it, and the editors at The New Yorker know it, and all of its readers know it, and nobody knows it better than me. THAT is what I hate, the absurd premise that she’s unaware of how this piece serves as yet another prize that signifies her status as a prize-winner and which sets her up for future prizes.Another good passage
>>24690496nips nip nips nip nips nips where buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo
>>24691434Are there any men left in publishing to suck off? It's all old lesbians now
>>24690496More like RF BOING!
>>24691765Kek
Damn if this bitch looked at you sideways she'd disappear
>>24690496I prefer KK Wing!
>>24691601>Is your argument really that children are necessarily ideological clones of their grandparents?>StrawmanMy argument is family culture is real, especially given wartime experience, Ever meet a Pole? or Balt? they hate communists. Likely her family experience of communist persecution influenced her writing and against these elite humanities students who are for open borders and communism.
>>24691646Tight bod too
>>24691614Yeah, that's a great zinger too. I wish Kuang would stop repressing herself underneath this weird lefty moralfagging superego bullshit
She says all the right things in a neat little package that makes limp wristed left wingers feel smart because she's regurgitating opinions that are "correct" to hold, which they already do.
>>24691928Prizes and awards are purely egoistic bullshit. If artists nowadays really want to do something new, they should just quietly release their work and move on to the next thing instead of getting wrapped up in their own hype
>>24691957The problem is that if you quietly release your work on your own, nobody will know it exists and nobody will read it. You have to debase yourself with self-promotion.
>>24691967The fabric of society is so generally hostile to new artists now that things simply have to change if you want new art. Feeding into the system of self-promotion and egoism is not the solution. I can't tell if AI is going to make it unfixable or if people will get so sick of all the garbage "content" being produced that they'll crave genuine art made by genuine humans simply trying to get through life who don't huff their own farts and promote themselves like they're on LinkedIn
this twee cunt wants nothing more than to be white. she'll have to settle for white dick.
>>24692042 experience has taught me the more feminist anti-racist in the streets the more patriarchal BWC submissive in the sheets
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>>24692102I don't know who that is, can you post a picture of Kuang's hot tits instead
>>24691124>grandparents fought against the chinese communiststhose people (KMT) are now pro-communists if you follow the trends in taiwan. the taiwan government had to threaten them to stop them going to beijing to watch the big parade and join in the festivities
>>24692102yummy yum yum. i'm going to start going to museums now
>>24690496Did no one tell this woman her nips were showing during the promotional photo shoot.
>>24692137It was storyboarded They brought ice cubes
>>24692133>those people (KMT) are now pro-communists if you follow the trends in taiwan.Don't ruin my fantasy of a literate bit tit anti communism Texas queen. Just like Paglia. >she's our girl
>>24692137That's the entire point. You're supposed to quietly slobber over them in your mind, but you're not supposed to ever once let on that you noticed her nips are showing.
>Kuang is married to Bennett Eckert-Kuang, a PhD student at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. The couple met in high school.Uh is RF Kuang a lesbian?
>>24692171>Uh is RF Kuang a lesbian?Pretty sure that's just what someone who is into Kant looks like as a man.https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/kuang-and-bennett-eckert-attend-a24s-we-live-in-time-new-news-photo/2171074868https://philpeople.org/profiles/bennett-eckert-kuang
>>24692171>(aww, they're cute together!)Everything about her life is exactly what I'd expect. Expensive private high school where she met her twink nerd white BF, grew up rich so she has to moan about how hard Asian women writers have it (just please please don't notice all my books are bestsellers and I was published as a teenager and I've won major prizes and I'm profiled in the New Yorker and my books were optioned for HBO please don't notice that it's so hard for us), I predict that within the next 5 years it'll come out that she wrote some really "#problematic" erotica where her self-insert character cums hard on a rapist minotaur cock or something
>>24692227i'm happy for her and her. no part of me envies that SSRI perma-book launch lifestyle God knows it's hollow.
I found the foreword in Babel to scream of insecurity. Like she can't stand others thinking she's wrong.
>>24691983I've been wondering something similar to this -- musicians can build an audience going direct to listeners, but there's not an equivalent infrastructure for writers
>>24692261Jesus Christ lmao did she write forwards for all her books?
>>24691983Anon, successful artists, including the writers feted here, have all been masters at self-promotion. It's just that instead of attention whoring online they sucked up to New York editors in person and made networks of Bohemian pals while getting drunk in France.
>>24691427sorry; your argument is that you're not allowed to have a negative view of academia if you've gone through it?
>>24692261>first paragraph explains the topic is prone to disingenuous faggotry>uses it as an excuse to drop sources and receiptsyou're reaching
>>24692261This is fine. At worst she's schizophrenic and no one would ever actually make these complaints.
wild thread to read as a non-angloyour lit establishment is a farce
>>24692366Think whatever you want about whatever you want, but if you write a book that goes "ACADEMIA IS BAD AND DISGUSTING" and then I check in on you and see you're inside academia having a great time, and literally your entire life has been getting academia to pat you on the head and tell you you're very smart and very good, and you've made the decision to go back to academia several times of your own volition, I'm not going to take much of what you say seriously
>>24692374>no one would ever actually make these complaintsNo one on /lit/ would care. But her audience isn't the people who post on /lit/, it's BookTok and BookTube and BookTwt. And they would go apeshit because they're all hyperonline 14 year olds or hyperonline 14 year olds mentally, which is why they think Kuang is such a good writer
I keep forgetting how much yellow fever this website has.I'm not disagreeing, but holy shit you fuckers are not even being subtle about it.And I thought /lit/ wasn't pornbrained.
>>24692398I appreciate a nice looking AsianSadly I learned the hard way that they are few. If Kuang had ass she would be exemplary. But Asians with a good face, good tits and a good ass are like unicorns. I liked the idea of them better when I was younger, before I learned the bitter pill that IRL most aren’t even mid, as I mature I gravitate to Med, Latina and Pajeet women. White women are pretty good also of course, black women have similar but different problems to Asians - though I would say truly hot black women are easier to come by.
>>24692111>mongoloid sisters it's over
>>24692398If you can't tell it's one schizo. Asians were perhaps an exotic catch last century but they're dime a dozen beta bait anymore.
I just hate how her books themes are so surface level. There has to be some more nitty gritty stuff that doesn't come from regurgitated undergraduate talking points
>>24692546Unfortunately it's just an affirmation that success is about who you know, not what you know.
>>24692546It sounds like watered down academic speak for a reason. Lots of authors these days are caught in this conflict of wanting to write about “in the moment” zeitgeist shit, without actually taking part in it. They are unable to write authentically about these things, as they best they can do is copy social media posts and ape the back-and-forth of internet banter. But there’s always been more to it than that. DFW came close but he offed himself before things really escalated. The average /lit/ user is more in tune with this sort of thing than some affluent normie who was insulated from it all. This is not to say that “we are so special and no one can possibly understand us,” but that to write authentically about matters of race or politics in this age requires jumping into the mud, the shitposting and flame wars. When politicians are following social media “thinkers” and are directly exposed to their ideas, you can’t just stand back from it and pretend like you know what’s going on: you’ll need to participate to really get a feel for it.But none of these authors are willing to drop the progressive act, to become jaded and vitriolic. To become more honest. They value social capital above all else, and in fact their art is just an extension of an apparatus meant to maintain social capital. So they’ll make bland statements and retweet safe politicians. But they’ll never be truly transgressive, never really make waves. And so they’ll always be on the periphery of that true pulse of the culture (not the pop meme culture, the real shit that everything else is a runoff of.) Kuang will be forgotten like the countless Ivy League English majors with too many prizes and not enough to say. Even Ocean Vuong is more admirable, because at least his abysmal poetry is coming from something authentic: Kuang writes as a detached observer, and that’s all her work seems to scream of.
>>24692578Kuang is a post 1997 (Chinese takeover of Hong Kong) Chinese American. She doesn't have the experience she wants to write about. She writes from an affluent point of view in a white/asian mixed neighborhood. She never saw the ghetto turned affluent neighborhoods where Asians jammed into their own enclaves. She lived among whites in the richest neighborhoods in the world. She doesn't have the nuances of 1st generation 80s-90s Asian American experience which they speak their language to their parents and grandparents, but English to everyone else. These kids will always be seen as an outsider and see their parents struggle at some call-center or opening some old ass restaurant. They're the stereotypical doctors, lawyers, teachers, whitecollar asians we see today.
>>24692398Her tits and lips look nice in the photo shoot. What do you want from me?
>>24692710If you feel sexually attracted to someone, then you're being manipulated by them.
>>24692546It's almost like she's a 25 year old who spent her formative years in the bubble of academia.
>>24692820she looks like she was 25 10 years ago
>>24691890>strawmanthat's not a strawman, those are your words>Ever meet a Pole? or Balt? they hate communiststhere are people who hate communists, there are people who love communists, there are people who are ambivalent, there are people who like communists under certain qualifications, there are people who liked communism, past tense, some people like communism in theory but not in practice, some people like it in practice but not in theory, there are people with spouses who hold the opposite beliefs, these people have children who are separate, and these children in turn become adults themselves and marry and have children of their own, all of whom to which the previous qualifications apply. Get the picture yet?You're a fucking tard who can't distinguish between plausibility and truth. You can speculate in hell.>Likely her family experienceAgain, nobody gives a fuck about what you think is likely. Nobody gives a fuck about her weak, traitorous, self-serving changparents, who fled China or whatever during a time of crisis, when they were needed most, like rats from a sinking ship.Her writing is dogshit, both in semantic and stylistic terms.
>>24690496Must of been a bunch of tall white dudes walking around off camera because it doesn't look cold enough for her to be sporting those diamond cutters.
>>24691469> footnotes saying "Imperialism really was that bad, here's a fun fact about awful western people."And yet she looks like she sucks white cock on the regular. Fascinating archetype. Is the performative anti whiteness some Freudian compensation for being a race traitor?
>>24692371You know what, this is actually a solid take and you might have changed my mind a little.
Where do I go to get an Asian gf?I’m too intelligent for university
>>24692864From my experience with Asian American chicks? Definitely.
>>24690496Her work is superficial and exactly what publishers are looking for out of """ASIAN DIASPORA""" (an ineffable scourge) writers. She's a non-entity of the highest order. But I do think she's smart by taking advantage of whatever it is she has going on. Fair play to her.
>>24692387>Non-AngloSo you're some sort of tentacled, hideous, smelly fish-person, or worse, a Jew?
>>24692864I genuinely think these girls don't care about the racial difference with white dudes. It's seperate to their conflict over either assimilating to western culture or trying to be more in touch with their heritage.
When whiteness is abolished it’ll just lead to a new hegemonic race of whites, Asians and high status Arabs/Indians/Latinos and the same under-race of blacks and low-status Arabs/Indians/Latinos
>>24693350The funniest part about this is that she wrote a book about this exact thing called "Yellowface." It was her attempt to be taken seriously as a literary novelist. Of course, the publishing industry fell in love with it. Fascinating that what you type in this reply>taking advantage of whatever it is she has going on is 100% true and also one she pretends she's not doing
>>24690496Wow. Would coat in cum. Are her books any good?
>>24691124>is anti-wokeare we just lying now
>>24694133yes, paid or unpaid shills will blatantly lie to your face as a means corralling young men back to the faggot farm so they can sell them their mfa slopper schlock
>>24692978Asia.
>>24692978Canada or Australia
>>24694376I live in Canada but the Asian girls are always shy and seem kind of frigid/uninterested.I feel scared of approaching them whereas black girls, white girls or Indian girls will blatantly signal interest in ways I understand
>>24694412That's probably because you're looking at FOB ones. You don't want one of those. It's like dealing with an autist, but in the worst way. You want a white-washed one. I've been with maybe a dozen. Still wouldn't recommend it over a white girl, but they're quite easy to get in Canada.
>>24690496>Rebecca F. Kuang is an American writer of fantasy novelsshe writes fantasy, so no
>>24691167could only read 5 paragaphs. holy shit this man did not need to restate 50 fucking times how annoying he found Hsu's writing
>>24692261>worse if you are an american writing about oxford, for what do americans know about anything?expertly said, ms Kuang.
>>24690496Her second attempt at literary fiction's coming out this time next year. Over/under on her including a scene where a mousy Asian academic is tormented by her hatred of white people but her love for BWC?
>le nipsI thought she was a chink!>rf kuangHad a gf who liked her. Cannot imagine anyone but the fakest of fakes reading her Yellowfafe. Seems almost confessional in meta ironic way. Poppy War seemed like YA. But did not delve deep. Vaguely proggy but safe bipoc feminista fantasy. Read Babel. Was unimpressed. But maybe if I was a teeniebopper I would have enjoyed it more. Typical YA fantasy. Supposedly dark academia or smthn. But if you wish for that then read Tartt's Secret History which at least tries to say something more interesting.
>>24691167This substack article is pointless and petty, but I realize my complaints about RF Kuang are the same. I tried bolstering my complaints against Babel (the only book of hers that I've read) and I can't, she's too debate-team-captainy for me. Maybe I was wrong. Am I being pointless and petty?
>>24692546It's striver literature. The striver doesn't think, create, innovate, push boundaries, or make new. The striver strives. The striver wants you to know they've done the reading and got the awards and got the applause. The striver cannot communicate without bragging. The striver does not exist when nobody is looking at them. The striver understands nothing about the world except for achievement. The striver cannot distinguish between being impressive and being meaningful. Kuang does not want you to think with her, or to think through the ideas she presents, she wants you to know she knows about the ideas she presents. It's the logic of the professional test-taker. Understanding doesn't matter. Neither does genuine creation. The only thing that matters is ticking the right box and getting the high score. Striver literature.
>>24695581More and more I begin to feel like I should never read a book that wasn't written by a dead white man.
>>24695581striver is too kind a word
>>24695394>But maybe if I was a teeniebopper I would have enjoyed it more.She seems like a writer for precocious 13 year olds
>>24690496are you a woman or otherwise homosexual? if you don't fall in any of those categories... what do you expect? women write trash, particularly minorities
you americans truly have gone a long way from imprisoning japs just for being japs to sort of adoring chink whores
>>24697004White man has been fascinated by Asian pussy since he discovered it.One of the very first things the Portuguese did as the first Europeans to ever step foot on Japan was acquire Japanese sex slaves. After the Meiji restoration with the liberalisation of Japanese marriage laws there was suddenly a thriving industry of white foreigners acquiring temporary Japanese wives for the duration of their stay.
>>24690496Get that titty out, girl! Let's see them tiddies!
how does asian disapora lit compare w/ the jewish equiv? how similar is it? is it as indulgent?
>>24697087What makes Asian pussy better than white pussy?
>>24697471
>>24697536Don't pretend she wouldn't look good tonguing your balls.
>>24697533What makes merlot better than pinot noir? There’s a broad spectrum of women and they all have their own flavour, but a man who loves wine is going to want to try them all. Back in the days of temporary Japanese marriages usually the westerners had white wives at home.
>>24697573she's your average flat-assed gook goblin, so no
