>bro you just can't adapt it, it's just too complex and intricate you need 150 iq for this bro>reads book >It's "unadaptable" because the plot and characters are written nonsensically
>>24693967>force fields render projectile weapons useless>except poison gas>no one invents gun that shoots mini acid gas grenades
People usually call it unadaptable because of the internal monologues and omniscient narrator, but Lynch found a way to make it work.
it's unadaptable because most of the appeal lies in the inner experience of the characters, not because it's "complex."
>>24693967>>24693994>>24693996It would work as an anime. Anime characters are always having lengthy internal dialogues.
>>24694004*monologues
>>24694008Thanks. I wasn't aware of the difference.
>>24693994>unadaptable because of the internal monologues and omniscient narrator, but Lynch found a way to make it work.How? My impression from a few lynch dune scenes is that he made a huge exposition dump at the start and included voice-overs for internal monologue. That's the opposite of making it work
>>24693981Sh-shut up
>>24693981Shields also slow poison gas.>>24694027Lynch just used awkward information dumps which didn't really work. Then he just went completely off the rails at the very end.
Anything beyond the first book is unadaptable not because of its style, but because of its content. Paul will compare himself to Hitler and Genghis in Messiah, friendly reminder. Imagine the romance between Hwi and Leto II, or the imprinting of Duncan's/Miles Teg's ghola, Rabbi scenes from Chapterhouse...
>>24693967Piggu.
>>24694575That'll do.
>>24693981Using chemical weapons is stepping over a red line like using atomics, Paul's father mentions both in the same breath when he's talking about the arsenal of weapons their house possesses as a last resort.
>>24693994>Lynch found a way to make it work
>>24694004Anime is for homosexuals.
>>24694553And you didn't even mention the worm stuff
>>24693967How the hell is it unadaptable it's a relatively simple story.
>>24693994> Lynch found a way to make it workLynch lamented ever having being involved in the project and was close to demanding it be an Alan Smithee film. It basically destroyed his relationship with Hollywood. Even fan edits can’t save it and it sure as shit wasn’t his “vision” whatever that actually was. What they clashed over is precisely what makes it unadaptable. Massive internal dialogues drive the narrative. Exposition dumps need to be delivered and the way it’s done in Lynch’s version was a studio mandate he fought. There are visual books, books driven with dialogue and character. That is easy to make adaptations out of. I recommend Charlie’s Adaptation for a rumination on this topic.
>>24694989Because there's a ton of worldbuilding that's essential to the plot and impossible to present on-screen without extensive, yawn-inducing exposition.>Oh yes, I forgot to tell you ...
>>24694989anyone who calls it 'simple' has, without exception, failed to understand ithow much do you know about Paul Sears or Gustave von Grunebaum?yeah, that's what I thought>>24695036>impossible to present on-screen without extensive, yawn-inducing expositionwouldn't be impossible to do with a long television series, but it would require considerable and consistent writing talent to do it justice. would need to add many scenes not present in the book(s) as well
>>24694722>The use of Poisons was common in the Known Universe, they were used by Assassins and Mercenaries in the service of the Houses Major and their exact use was detailed in the Assassin's Handbook. They could be used in food (chaumas), drink (chaumurky) or on Projectile weapons and Blades (especially Slip-Tips and Kindjals) or in Gas form. Besides breaking taboo, necessary evils, and outfoxing one another through tech are main themes of the series, the Ixians have secret illegal thinking machines the entire time. Later, the worm-god emperor forsees their machines will gain a sort of prescience in the future and become an existential threat to humanity again due to their continued illegal research, but allows it as a necessary evil. The tleilaxu are constantly improving their illegal facedancer spies to give themselves an edge, have a monopoly on illegal ghola production (for a time), eventually figure out how to produce spice artificially to break the guild's monopoly I just think it's an oversight desu. Probably intentional.
>>24694931The worm-man stuff wasn't THAT weird as far as science fiction goes. I don't know why everyone talks like it's total normie repellant. The Amazon sex cult and the community in Leto's head were weirder.>>24694553>Imagine the romance between Hwi and Leto III don't remember them doing anything except talk. Just typical beauty and the beast stuff. And yeah, there was that one scene where Leto gets cucked lol.
>>24695108>wouldn't be impossible to do with a long television series, but it would require considerable and consistent writing talent to do it justiceWhat is even meant here by "doing it justice" If it's just slavish "accuracy" then Lynch/Villeneuve standing in front of a camera reading the book would be the most faithfull way.
>>24693967It's unadaptable because over half of it happens inside characters' heads.
>>24695108>wouldn't be impossible to do with a long television series, but it would require considerable and consistent writing talent to do it justice. would need to add many scenes not present in the book(s) as wellt.b.h. the miniseries does this pretty well. The writing extrapolates intelligently on the book's content. It's just a pity the whole thing looks like shit.
>>24695323>What is even meant here by "doing it justice"One has to create scenes and imagery that will elicit in the viewer an understanding of the themes and material of the book, and show an understanding of its worldFor one example, if I were in charge of such a thing, I would spend screentime on the respective childhood upbringings of Paul and FeydThere are lots of reasons for this; let's consider a fewChapter 35 begins with>On his seventeenth birthday, Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen killed his one hundredth slave-gladiator in the family games.we are also told>The na-Baron never gave quick death; he delighted in demonstrating rare poisons, could stand in the arena pointing out interesting side effects on a writhing victim.and>“[Baron Harkonnen is] pretty fierce,” she said, “but the nephew could well grow to be worse.”>“Thanks to that uncle. You know, when you think what this lad could’ve been with some other upbringing—with the Atreides code to guide him, for example ... From what I heard of that young Paul—a most admirable lad, good union of breeding and training.” He shook his head. “But we shouldn’t waste sorrow over the aristocracy of misfortune.”Showing by juxtaposition Paul's and Feyd's development, and how similar and how different they are, we can be shown the worlds of Atreides and Harkonnen palace intrigue and politics and aristocratic trainingMuch earlier in the book, of course, we also have>“But I thought Mentat training had to start during infancy and the subject couldn’t be told because it might inhibit the early….” He broke off, all his past circumstances coming to focus in one flashing computation. “I see,” he said ... Paul rubbed his chin. All the special training from Hawat and his mother—the mnemonics, the focusing of awareness, the muscle control and sharpening of sensitivities, the study of languages and nuances of voices—all of it clicked into a new kind of understanding in his mind.And naturally there is also Paul's martial training with Duncan and Gurney, etc.The book is economical about these matters, and is more or less forced to be, since it's packed with so much already, but a television series can spend the time to illustrate them while using these scenarios to develop the characters and their relationships at the same time
>>24695476>On his seventeenth birthday, Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen killed his one hundredth slave-gladiator in the family gamesThis is also a necessary plot point. It's the beginning of Hawat's plan to assassinate the Baron. As a result of the combat, the Harkonnen slavemaster is replaced with Hawat and Feyd's puppet, who later sends a boody-trapped catamite to the Baron's quarters.
>>24695520Retreading plot details that I obviously know adds nothingThe point I'm making is that we can reasonably infer from the quote that Feyd has been trained to kill in the arena for a long time before his 17th birthdayIf one postulates that he's been killing a gladiator every two weeks like clockwork, he'd have been doing it since he was 13; the much bloodier Harkonnen method of creating a deadly heir, trained to take pleasure in torture and killing
>>24695476I do think focusing on Feyd and his role as a mirror of Paul would be interesting. With a tv series i guess you could theoretically do this with a ton of other side characters and subplotlines(Hawat's service under the Harkonnens would be fun). >The book is economical about these mattersI've always found the it to be economical on most of it's characters, which would make it hard to discern at what point fleshing them out further would dilute any interesting mystery and vagueness of the book. Count Fenring is a great character idea, a failed KH who spares Paul out of sympathy. There's tons of interesting stuff which could be drawn from that but it would essentially require inventing stuff
>>24695520>Hawat and Feyd's puppet, who later sends a boody-trapped catamite to the Baron's quarters.I might be remembering it wrong, but Hawat warns the Baron of this attempt right?
>>24695598He does>The Baron shook his head, thinking: It would’ve worked, too, if Hawat hadn’t warned me. Well, let the lad believe I saw the plot on my own. In a way, I did. I was the one who saved Hawat from the wreckage of Arrakis. And this lad needs greater respect for my prowess.
>>24695592huh
>>24695615What im trying to get at is in the book gom jabbar scene there is a continuity error where Mohiam is described as looking down on Paul despite him standing, that's one awfully tall chair. Check yourself if you don't believe me
>>24695592>Hawat's service under the Harkonnens would be funAlso the loneliness and hardships of Gurney with the smugglers>hard to discern at what point fleshing them out further would dilute any interesting mystery and vagueness of the bookAh, but there's so much present in the book that the film adaptations have totally or near-totally failed to depictHawat and Jessica and doors (and Shakespeare), the Baron and Machiavelli and Aeschylus, Gurney and his many allusions to the Bible, Kynes and his father before him (and Paul Sears and Archimedes), Shaddam and Irulan, etc.The difficulty is in creating a pleasing literary shape for the whole thing, making scenes flow naturally together to advance the narrative satisfyingly
>>24694575I was thinking of the outstretched paw of a calico cat
>>24694743How has no one made this already with AI?
