I want to start reading philosophy, but i dont know where start.And no, i dont want to start with greeks. Any advices?
Fuck the Greeks, start with Descartes. Fuck SocratesFuck PlatoAnd fuck Aristotle.
>>24694644Don't man, philosophy is a personality, not anything somebody just casually picks up. It's like math and you suck at Calculus. I just picked up "Beyond Good and Evil, and in the first few pages this MF already references, Spinoza, Plato, Socrates, Kant, and Epicuras, none of whom I have read. WTF am I supposed to do chat?
>>24694644Don’t. It’s like bodybuilding. It’s offputting to everyone except the brain damaged idiots doing it.
>>24694653Get a textbook. If you think that every single textbook is pozzed, you can get Hegel's lectures on the history of philosophy.https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/51635/pg51635-images.html#c166Here the Greeks chapter.
>>24694653You can try reading zarathustra. I think that you dont need as much philosophy knowlege as knowlege you need to have to read other Nietzsche books. Sry for harsh english
>>24694644> i dont want to start with greeksBad. Anyway, read Leibniz, More, Ibn Musa, Descartes, Spinoza, Kant, Fichte, Schelling, Hume, Locke, Bacon, Montagne, Hegel, Marx, Hobbes, Rousseau, Freud, Jung, Lacan (and rest of the psychoanalysts). Read them in chronological order tho.
Good. Fuck the Greeks. Start with Horsten, Lizom, Paltraan, Kolstang, von Klapstra, Abu Mentz, van Graalin, Blackburton, Malleon-Eaves, and Fiddlesticks (Jr, not Sr—he's claptrap).
i guess it's acceptable to read the old testament before the greeks if you don't want to start with the greeks.So start with the old testament then follow that up with the greeksyw
>>24694644If you want to start with Nietzsche, I recommend his book: On the Genealogy of MoralsOtherwise I recommend Machiavelli (The Prince, Discourses on Livy). His worldview and thoughts are easy to understand compared to other philosophers because he gives alot of examples from ancient and medieval politics to make his points. And Machiavelli is giga based for his time.Getting into the old german philosophers (kant, hegel etc.) is very difficult by just reading the books themselves. I started with lectures on jewtube about the different philosophers to get an overview on their topics and worldview before reading their books.
>>24694644Start with Descartes or try Russell's History of Western Philpsophy, he's biased, but you should just look into thinkers you find the most interesting after reading him.
>>24694683telling someone to read nietzsche before reading the greeks is straight up deranged
>>24694679Good suggestions, especially von Klapstra's "Immolation of Cause". Hideo Fang also has a great essay on his concept of 'Simpantics', which is a difficult yet crucial thing to grasp before engaging with the wider Heliopics corpus, particularly after the Keinwolff-Hempark split.
>>24694644Plato, Aristotle, Socrates
>>24694668I like Zarathustra but I'm not sure its Nietzsches easiest book to understand for people who have never dealt with Nietzsches wordview. I had to read Zarathustra 3 Times before starting to get it. Reading on the Genealogy of Morals made it easier to understand.
>>24694686No way, I'm sure its fine. Also I'm saying start with Machiavelli
>>24694679Holy based, I've never seen van Graalin mentioned here before, or by anyone outside of Luxembourg. His "Essays of Doubt and Certainty" and "Final Submission" both contain some of the most courageous lines of thought I've ever seen. My uncle showed them to me, shame they never went into full print.
>>24694653In BGE he tells you the names of the references and even summarizes them a little, like he's speaking to a schoolchild. In Zarathustra you don't even know when you missed a reference, there's no help.
>>24694682Does make sense. These sandniggers heavily imitated the Greeks.
>>24694653>chatWhy do zoomtards talk like this?
>>24694684Any histories of philosophy that aren't written by proto-redditors? I know of William Turner and Copleston but who else?
>>24694644>tell me how to do this but I won‘t accept the one correct answerYou are gay and retarded.
>>24694858Look at the reddit treatment of fagner here. He chose that beard style to better spit polish dicks.
>>24694644Mao Zedong’s on Practice is a short but interesting read
My opinion as someone who’s been reading philosophy seriously for years, if you don’t know Aristotle, you’re fucked, you’ll have no stable ground to stand on, especially in metaphysics. Everyone else is more or less “wacky”, it’s important to have a scientific grasp of the ordinary stance before you start exploring the more experimental guys.
>>24694881Shalom
>>24694927It's alright fagneranon. You already know I like his music. My rehab turned me into a nomadic warmachine. Don't ask, I haven't gotten that far, also a fan btw, no homo, or homo but not with me. I was out territorialising the other day, that's my way of saying I was pissing on the side of a building and thought popped into my head. What if I could hotswap organs? Lend me one of your testicles, I'll give it back when I'm done.
>>24694644Read the Greeks, then move to the renaissance, then the germans( except Hegel, don’t read him), and now you’re done. Then move to what actually matters: art.
>>24694644Read people you think sound interesting and if you encounter something you don't know read a wikipedia summary.
>>24694990I strongly believe you should start with art, so that if you branch out into philosophy you'll already have a huge store of thoughts about history and culture and 'the human condition' which you'll want to think through systematically, and you'll have a sense of what's concretely at stake in seemingly abstract philosophical questions.
>>2469464421 rules for direction of the mind by Descartes. It is an important work on logic which should be read before enterting the world of philosophy Rule number 3 is about math and philosohy. Math is a more grounded science whereas philosophy is more dubious so it attracts more charlatans. Part of the joy in philosophy is that you can make any conclusion or opinion you want and that it is really not falsifiable. You can’t verify it as you can with math hence math is more elite and for more cultivated minds. If you wish to pursue philosophy you should due it in a rigorous and math like way. You can really feel his statement on this board where any opinion is just argued for its own sake with little evidence or care for truth, merely relegating it to a team sport.
>>24694710who the fuck is this guy, i searched his name and the works you mentioned and this same thread is the first hit
>>24695068He's me, sadly. I made him up. I invented Fiddlesticks too, both Jr and Sr. But if you believe in van Graalin, like I do, then perhaps we could make him real. Fiddlesticks too. We could write them to life.
Start with Nick Land and work backwards
>>24694644>I want to start reading philosophyStart with the greeks.>but i dont know where start.With the greeks.>And no, i dont want to start with greeksYou have to start with the greeks.>Any advices?Start with the greeks.
>>24694858john deely
>>24694644>And no, i dont want to start with greeks. Any advices?Just go back to video games
>>24694644skip straight to the romans and their cuck emperor
>>24694644Start with the Greeks. No way around it.
>>24695099Then I will.But what are the best books to start?
>>24694886By all accounts I thought I was smart, good GPA, friend's opinions, reading a lot, but I got filtered by "Beyond Good and Evil" so hard I'm questioning what I am even capable of.Maybe some people can be smart without reading philosophy.
>>24695188If you don't know what he's talking about that's all it is. Nothing to do with being smart
>>24695188Reading philosophy isn’t like reading a novel, you have to read repeatedly and engage your brain.
Do I read Plato or do I need to read the Presocratics
This book is a short read and a good introduction into Stoicism. I'd then go and read Epictetus or even skip straight to Marcus.If you're debating the actual reason for existence I would personally read Nietzsche's the Twilight of the Idols & the Anti-Christ. Albert Camus's philosophy Absurdism is also quite interesting.
>>24694990>>24695011What's a good starting book to read about art?
>>24695214>Reading philosophy isn’t like reading a novel,So you philosophy bros are just like, reading one book every couple of months and thinking about it?
to bait (You)s from retards like >>24694849
>>24695293>Parmenides by Raphael for Aurea vidya house>Heraclitus by brooks Haxton>Hegel lectures of antiquity by Robert brownThis is what I did. If you want to start at beginning do this. Garbage like Thales (everything is water) is neat in an antiquarian way but totally useless
Does anyone have a chart for starting with Greek philosophy? I have Plato's Republic, but I'm not sure if that's a good book to start with
>>24694644>i want to make a sandwich but I don't want to use breadI don't know what to tell you OP.
>>24695715Homer then the tragedians
>>24695838Like the Iliad and then the Odyssey, then the Tragedians?
>>24694653>already references, Spinoza, Plato, Socrates, Kant, and Epicuras, none of whom I have read.That’s why philosophy must be read in chronological order
>>24695171https://leftychan.net/edu/src/1612207844643.pdf
>>24694644Start with Nietzsche, the meme about needing to read everything before him is unnecessary
>>24694858Hegel's Lectures on the History of PhilosophyWill Durant's book
>>24694652fpwp>>24695722/thread
>>24694644Just search for the matters that interest you.https://plato.stanford.edu/
>>24695921This, it's kino to read him first as a youth and then revisit it works later when you've became familiar the Western tradition (Plato - Kant) before him, such is a very Zarathustrian way of getting into philosophy.
>>24695940>Hegel's Lectures on the History of PhilosophyThis will be my last hope in Philosophy. Not OP of course.
>>24695668Honestly yeah, at least for major works. The more you put in the more you get out, and texts like Being and Time are completely inexhaustible. Mark them up, think about them, talk about them, read secondary literature, take a break, read other things, grow, and come back and do it again. It's a really exciting process of development that I'd welcome you to start yourself.
>>24694644The Great ConversationIt is an Oxford book that gives you a good overview of Greco-Roman and European philosophy, then you can choose to read primary texts of whichever philosopher interests you.
>>24696313The one by Hutchins and Adler? Did you read it after me shilling it here? I hope you did
>>24694858A short history of modern philosophy by Roger scruton. It’s very short but fantastically written.
>>24696380I am talking about pic related. I think you're referring to a book that was part of the Great Books of the Western World collection. I have only read the two volumes of the Syntopicon, but it was a difficult read. OP would get instantly filtered.
>>24696411The Hutchins great conversations is roughly 70 pages or so and composed of 10 essays, each with a brief overview of the topic at hand. It would be a great introduction to western canon
