It's heartbreaking to realize how much of Perennialism is a scam (built on dishonest foundations at least) which hinges on and exploits people's good natured dreams of pacifism and unity and a love for life. The grand majority of its main figures have bathed in dubious decisionmaking and questionable motivations that point to a more egotistical, materialist project than what typically draws curious people in, and the current's seeming support by TPTB doesn't give it a very good look. >Schuon tried to start his own tax-free cult in the US and failed. Supposedly was a freemason, but may have failed at that as well. Was not really all that well read nor did he really understand the tenets of sufism to make the kind of claims he did give>Guénon was another failed freemason who was just fleeing from a western esoteric circle that was not accepting his questionable work. Went to Egypt because he could dupe the Arabs into thinking he was seeking initiation when he just wanted a cozy hideout. Was suddenly revived and astroturfed by co-opted alt currents to steer dissatisfied young men away from action into a world of pseudo-spiritual jargon. A lot of his claims about Sufism and the Vedas are plain wrong.>Seyyed Hossein Nasr failed at starting his own cult in the US, but at least managed to secure a prestigious position in western academia so he can both hide away from an iranian society that would steamroll him and have a steady stream of bs he could pedal around to uneducated western thinkers, because he had the rare credibility of being able to understand original batini texts and could keep going by introducing and reintroducing key figures (suhrawardi etc). Twisting their words so he could fit them into a hazy system.>There is never any backlash or signs of the greater zeitgeist discouraging you from looking into any of this, which solidifies its status as ultimately harmless and therefore not so truthful. To the contrary, it is widely supported by UN related agencies, governments (more specifically those guys) under the pretense of peaceful interreligious dialogue.>The cultist, individualist, delusional stench of theosophy in general
Finally someone else who sees through this nonsense. Yeah perennialism requires the mass misinterpretation of various traditions to the point perennialists are just talking about their own projections.
Ok cool I'm still not worshipping your rabbi m8
I just want to love the world and love my fellow man. I genuinely find that there fewer things that could make me cry than seeing acts of mercy and shared moments of joy between two people who are extremely far away from each other culturally speaking. My heart has a very difficult time with dismissing all of this vastness as mere pointless folly or millions of paths to hellfire. It sounds all so kumbaya and shit, but it's an intense feeling bros. But I know just how silly and detached from reality it ultimately all seems to be. Apparently the only two paths left are: trusting Plato and Plotinus' claims and believing them to have uncovered some sort of abstract all encompassing universal truth provided that they did have supernatural experiences within those mystery cults of old ; or going back to good old Dogma, even if I was hurt a little bit today by witnessing a group of young fundamentalists smugly making fun of a 19th century humanist' writings on having respect for men of all creeds and being open to having a dialogue about truth, because that's apparently too twee and not dangerous enough to fight against the greater Evil, both immediate and beyond. Sometimes I'm sincerely considering destroying my mental faculties so I can no longer be so neurotic and be at risk of contaminating other people with my little cutesy beliefs where my heart screams louder than my brain, and i'd stop putting more stock in the experiential than in reason.>>24695252It's a combination of the experiences being of the utmost intimacy and the religious corpus being of the utmost complexity (requiring learning multiple languages, the ludicrous length of the works, the historical records...etc) which is bound to drive one mad if they were to approach it fully.
>>24695290The third way is a folk religious approach that adopts the insights of Nietzsche and Jung. You dispense with dogma entirely and value experience, you also understand that different people groups have different trajectories such that the myths they express and rituals they engage in are different. Of course there could always be cynical manipulation of this from someone not genuinely religious, in which case this influence has to be excised. Thats putting it in too small a nutshell to be honest but I find myself in this position and I find that I respect both the uniqueness of my own tradition and the uniqueness of other traditions. I don’t require copes like faith or dogma or pure reason at all.
>>24695247The problem with materialism is that doesn't mean anything and the world can't be built on facts but values. Otherwise culture disappears and you're left with an empty husk of a civilization. Subjectivist acounts of religion built on hermeneutics can only exist based on the assumption of the variations of culture have a shared origin a la Ranke otherwise Chinese people might as well be from Mars or a dimension outside our immediate consciousness.
>>24695247>My One True Religion™ that I just happened to be born into through chance is right and everyone else's religion is wrong
if you fell for people who took indians seriously that's 100% on you lol
Just assume anyone shilling spiritual anything is a con artist.
>>24695437>chanceNo such thing
I don't care about any of thatI mean you could point out how Guenon was more interested in Hinduism but as Hinduism wouldn't allow himself to be initiated he settled for SufismMy problem is that I just don't understand why anybody should care about Perennialism as a movement which promotes the idea that all religious traditions stem from the same root and yet for some reason the goal is not to synthesis and reconstruct this original root but rather to dedicate yourself to one religious tradition, preferably by initiation?It just doesn't make sense
I find it funny that people will write paragraphs criticing men like Schuon or Nasr, but all they can muster about Guénon PBUH is>uhh he left... yeah...>he's wrong btwYou do not understand a single thing he said, if you even read anything by him, and yet you have the audacity to come here and ramble about how he is wrong?
>>24695691So then explain why I'm me and not someone else, and why certain people are born as certain people. Explain why other people in other cultures weren't born into the "right" religion in a way that doesn't involve a birth lottery.
This is a midwit thread if I've ever seen one. The gist of what all of you are saying is >I'm too much of an effeminate bitch to Be Real, so instead I'm going to hide in all this make believe word salad ''mysticism'' with some extra tear flavored perfumeThat's what this is all about, because if you had actually lived as Men, and fulfilled your roles as Men, you would realize the truest and most credible tool for weighing the truth would come from internalizing your interactions with the world after you have strived to achieve a state of balance and purity on all levels, including your dreaded biological and sociological ones. If you're not even trying to ground yourself in the same parameters that the initiates of these traditions you talk about have lived in, that is providing, protecting, toiling, raising...etc, then you're not in a position to make claims about grand Truth, especially not in a universal one that is touching every single person that has ever lived. By living and engaging with the world, you will come to know why certain traditions are inherently more civilized than others, and why certain civilized traditions have a stronger basis in this shared collective reality than purely intellectual/creative exercises. You are the skewed, mutant gene that seems to believe there is some grand wisdom behind a talking gray parrot when every other man that has lived over the past 50000 years would treat it as novelty and move onto the real shit, because you continue to choose to operate in a foggy context that shrouds and buries universal truth, letting you delude yourself into thinking it's all about the smaller details, when they're just pieces of the apparatus. There is no ''fellow man'', everybody already wants to kill you and rape your wife and take your money ; but don't because of the looming threat of punishment. The lawful religions have figured all of this out. You just choose to be a petulant child and justify it with the intellect that you developed due to the coddling luxury you've taken for granted.>>24695368>JungReheated already established mystical and alchemical concepts developed by slothful castes with new ''scientific'' lingo because his pride just can't bend the knee>NietzscheMan throws a hissy fit because he can't get his shit together. Surely this world must be so terribly wrong!So insightful, wow. And then there's this retard >>24695450
>>24696098Everybody has already made their choice and signed the pact once they reached puberty. It's all on you. There is a great transformative power within each human being, but 99% of them lack the necessary Love for the infinite to make the right choice and get a move on, because being the way you are is just so nice.
