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Are there any books written from the prospective of a privileged secret police officer that are free of moralfagging or le-i-must-join-the-resistance tropes?
Just a cynical Stasi/NKVD/ENGSOC/Inquisition type figure who has a more nuanced view of the party line, but tows it feverously anyway?
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>>24697286
good request. i rate this book request 8/10.
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>>24697286
Lemme think of some titles
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>>24697286
I may have smth for you, wait a sec
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Molotov Remembers: Inside Kremlin Politics

Good shit
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>>24697286
Day of the Oprichnik
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>>24697334
This but less cringe.
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>>24697317
Satantango
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>>24697286
Not exactly what youre looking for but David Rothkopf's Superclass is an example of an elite insider giving a Machiavellian interpretation of why big bad powerful elites must do what they do. He's basically "this is just my job" "I know whats best for you" ill think of more when I find them.
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>>24697286
It's an interesting character and I am a little curious as to why it isn't explored more in an impartial way. If it does existed it has to be 20+ years old. Modern authors are only interested in victim narratives.
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>>24698072
>It's an interesting character and I am a little curious as to why it isn't explored more in an impartial way.
It's kind of hard to be impartial about someone who has decided to become a secret police officer; at that point, they've become an agent of the government who must be willing to destroy the old laws to uphold the new law, and no amount of cynicism can erase the fact that anyone working in a secret police force is, in fact, fascistic and authoritarian.

Yes, Hitler was a human being who took pleasure in normal human things and had normal human feelings. But that deserves to be overlooked by all the crimes against humanity that he and his Nazis committed. A secret police officer is no different: Whatever humanity they have is overshadowed by the great evils they commit in the name of the highest of their higher-ups.

"Just following orders" isn't nuance just because the person carrying out those orders expresses some form of cynicism about the orders or the people giving them. It has been, and always will be, the mark of a coward.
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>>24697286
The Acolyte by Nick Cutter. Cop in a future fundamentalist dystopia.
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Who’s that guy that does the French Nazi collaborator stuff? Modiano? I can’t remember the book but I did see the movie, Lacombe, Lucien
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Mathias Enard - Zone. The narrator is an intelligence agent and war criminal.
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>>24697286
Underworld USA trilogy
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>>24697286
Perhaps the Relief series by Keith Laumer..? Not secret police, but a political agent... Anyway it was the first thing that sprang to mind...
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>>24698116
Characters only need to be likeable in generesloppa. A protagonist doesn't need to be moral, or loyal, or heroic, or capable, or witty, or funny. They don't need to be any one thing. Just interesting.

The sort of person who is intelligent enough to be an effective secret policeman (and so necessarily not an ideolog) is naturally interesting.
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>>24697318
>Molotov Remembers: Inside Kremlin Politics
not a novel
>>24697334
>Day of the Oprichnik
this is definitely moralfaggy though, but I will give you the most credit in the thread however as this is the only thing which actually approaches the recommendation I asked for in the OP.
>>24697337
>Satantango
huh? how?

>>24697343
>David Rothkopf's Superclass
correct, not even remotely close to what im looking for.

>>24698197
this is moralfaggy and extremely tropey and exactly what i described not to recomend in my post

>>24698278
>Mathias Enard - Zone
its just regular spyslop? did you read the post?

>>24698401
>Underworld USA trilogy
are you retarded?

>>24698872
>Perhaps the Relief series by Keith Laumer..? Not secret police
Correct, not secret police.
So basically the answer is no, there is not a book like that.
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Shove it up your arse, cunt
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>>24697286
>are free of moralfagging
>tows it feverously anyway
Then what is the book supposed to be about? What's the conflict?
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>>24699614
You should read it as a novel though



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