Nietzsche gets hit with a trad one-twoRoger Scruton:>“There are philosophers who have repudiated the goal of truth -- Nietzsche, for example, who argued that there are no truths, only interpretations. But you need only ask yourself whether what Nietzsche says is true, to realize how paradoxical it is. (If it is true, then it is false! -- an instance of the so-called 'liar' paradox.) Likewise, the French philosopher Michel Foucault repeatedly argues as though the 'truth' of an epoch has no authority outside of the power-structure that endorses it. There is no trans-historical truth about the human condition. But again, we should ask ourselves whether that last statement is true: for if it is true, it is false. There has arisen among modernist philosophers a certain paradoxism which has served to put them out of communication with those of their contemporaries who are merely modern. A writer who says that there are no truths, or that all truth is "merely relative," is asking you not to believe him. So don't.”Chesterton on Nietzsche>Nietzsche had some natural talent for sarcasm: he could sneer, though he could not laugh; but there is always something bodiless and without weight in his satire, simply because it has not any mass of common morality behind it. He is himself more preposterous than anything he denounces. But, indeed, Nietzsche will stand very well as the type of the whole of this failure of abstract violence. The softening of the brain which ultimately overtook him was not a physical accident. If Nietzsche had not ended in imbecility, Nietzscheism would end in imbecility. Thinking in isolation and with pride ends in being an idiot. Every man who will not have softening of the heart must at last have softening of the brain.More Scruton on Nietzsche>Nietzsche himself has become a kind of idol. Despite his antagonism towards democracy and mass culture, despite his unashamedly racist attack on the Germans and all things German, despite his advocacy of ‘health’ and strength against the ‘sickness’ of compassion, despite his contempt for socialists, vegetarians, feminists and women generally – despite committing every sin condemned by the morality of ‘political correctness’, Nietzsche is now a cult figure.Even Bertrand Russell has an insightful critique>I dislike Nietzsche because he likes the contemplation of pain, because he erects conceit into a duty, because the men whom he most admires are conquerors, whose glory is cleverness in causing men to die. But I think the ultimate argument against his philosophy, as against any unpleasant but internally self-consistent ethic, lies not in an appeal to facts, but in an appeal to emotions. Nietzsche despises universal love; I feel it the motive power to all that I desire as regards the world. His followers have had their innings, but we may hope that it is coming rapidly to an end.
>>24697451Criticising the Neetschster is fantastic heuristic for discovering useless conservative tosspots
>>24697451>Thinking in isolation and with pride ends in being an idiot.Literally the summation of 4chan.
>>24697451>shows a paradox regarding Nietzsche's truth yet doesn't proceed to give a definition for it, because he's being disingenuous and knows Nietzsche is right; there is no universal truth>ad hominem and straight up false, Nietzsche had chronic pain behind his eyes since he was 9. scientists speculate it may have been a tumor, which ultimately ended up in his demise>already debunked>how does he appeal to emotions and not facts?
wow i never knew how much of a midwit scruton was, this is the level of thinking of someone who goes on joe rogan or daily wire or somethingChesterton I respect and some of his stuff on nietzsche doesn't seem great but that is a decent point and is probably correct. However I think most people who criticize nietzsche would be even less happy to see what happens when a nietzschean embraces that sort of common love of people. Heidegger I would say took that step. I think Cheseterton's views also kind of echo that. I am not sure it's entirely fair to actually say that criticism applies to Nieztsche, though it does apply to nietzscheans, I do feel there is something of a meek desperate sorrow throughout Nietzsche's work related to that. A sort of rejection of that at least to some extent is necessary, and that does require taking on that hard attitude. I think it pretty consistently comes off as being fundamentally contrary to our nature and painful but necessary. bertrand also making a retarded point he doesn't even arise to the level of someone who would go on rogan
>>24697531Scruton is the only person I have seen make a sound defense for Israel. He points out that Muslims don’t hate America because of Israel. Rather they hate America because of freedom and Muslims only hate Israel because it it is friends with America >Organizations like Hamas and the Islamic Jihad take their inspiration from the Muslim Brotherhood and the Hizbullah. They do not work through diplomacy or negotiation, but through violence, and suicide bombings are now their principal device. In these circumstances it is almost impossible for Israel to form a coherent policy towards the Palestinians.>If we see the Palestinian conflict in this way, we shall be led to reject the currently fashionable view that the terrorist threat to America comes from America’s support for Israel. On the contrary. It is Israel’s relation to America that makes Israel the target of militant Islam.
>>24697538damn people who like scruton are retards too, crazy
>>24697538>He points out that Muslims don’t hate America because of Israel. Rather they hate America because of freedomDubya stop drukposting
>>24697552Scruton was unironically right about neoconservatism in that it is a conservative alternative to international liberalism
>>24697475BAP showed us that the Nietzschean right is the only way forward
>>24697594he's based because he says "nigger"!! holy kekerino!! my sides!!! this but unironically!!!!
>>24697606You seem upset. Did you forget you have your onions for breakfast this morning?
>>24697648Exasperated at the chronic dumbassery of your ilk, more like.
I get that it‘d be retarded to come to the conclusion of some JIDF type thing instead of a random midwit somehow arriving at the conclusion that his specific curated quotes on Nietzsche deserve attention head and shoulders above the rest; but I would completely understand if somebody came to the conclusion of some coordinated agenda-driven spergery based on the fact that you felt the need to make a topic of this when there is already one on the front page of people debating secondary takedowns on N.
>>24697648what's wrong with onions eh?
>>24697538That might be the most retarded IP take I’ve ever heard, to the point where I feel like you may have made it up to troll.
>>24697451>"Source?!"This is actually a good question
>>24697491Russell is the one appealing to emotions, that’s his point. Russell thinks love is nice, and doesn’t feel Nietzsche is in favour of love, and therefore Nietzsche is unconvincing. Chesterton’s case is very similar.
>>24697802Not at all, it’s from his book, The West and the Rest, which explains why Islam is incompatible with western values. A good example he uses is that in Sharia Law, corporate personhood, which is fundamental to western law, can’t exist, because in Sharia Law only individuals can be recognized as legal persons and all acts in law must be considered as acts of individual legal persons
>>24697917Get thee behind me
>>24697538>Muslims only hate Israel because it it is friends with America Anon, I don't know how to tell you this gently, so I'll just be frank: this is astonishingly retarded
>>24697972I hope you realize that you’re parroting the exact same rhetoric of Osama Bin Laden who tried to justify himself by American support for Israel>The American government is leading the country towards hell. We say to the Americans as people and to American mothers, if they cherish their lives and if they cherish their sons, they must elect an American patriotic government that caters to their interests not the interests of the Jews.
you idiots should be doing something more productive, like playing videogames
>>24697538my god... typical zogbot regurgitating the same written script.
>>24697931Nietzsche feels love isn't nice and posits vulgar lust for power as the highest ideal. Same difference. You assume he's being more "real" and his opponents are being sentimental because this lust for power is fallen man's natural state and is today widely championed (tacitly or explicitly) by pop culture. Nietzscheism is gangsta rapper ethics. Andrew Tate is the nietzscheite's final form, and it reeks of cum, steroids and tacky cologne.
>>24698028Love loves love. It’s the opposite of ressentiment
>>24697989This is good bait. It's not great bait, because it's a little too retarded to be believable, but it's still good.
>>24698059Read The West and the Rest as well as How to be a Conservative, both by Roger Scruton, before making a bigger fool out of yourself
>>24698057This sounds nice and clears things up. I should read more theology.
>>24698057And by sounds nice I mean rings true.
>>24698064Overplaying your hand now.
>>24697451Scruton was so mid-witted it's genuinely painful to read him. He could never be labeled as good a thinker as some thought him to be, and, in fact, he should have avoided putting any philosopher's names in his mouth, since it's disrespectful, even when not liking Foucault and Nietzsche, that this absolute fucking retard Scruton gets to carelessly invoke them
>>24697989>if they cherish their lives and if they cherish their sons, they must elect an American patriotic government that caters to their interests not the interests of the Jews.One problem with this position is that it fails to recognize that those who claim to be Jews today have no connection to the Israel or Jews of ancient times that are spoken of in the Bible. There is no actual connection there. Anyone who thinks or acts as if there is a real connection between the ancient Jews of the Bible and the modern imposters is only showing how they have been subverted by lies before they even started thinking.
>>24698028Or as a great philosopher once pointed out, if we do indeed Get Rid Of Slimy girlS, who do we smooch?
>someone posts their hot Nietzsche criticism>its pure stupidity and clear the author hasn’t even read Nietzsche’s corpusEvery single time. Nietzsche is the ultimate redditor filter. The ones who smugly defend their status quo and don’t look to see that it’s an illegitimate wreck built on nothing.
>>24699682It’s the other way around. These people have read Nietzsche much more thoroughly than yourself which is why their interpretation differs from yours.
>>24697451>If it is true, then it is false! -- an instance of the so-called 'liar' paradoxThis is the most retarded ass argument. The onus is on you to prove that there is absolute truth because you are the one that is claiming that it exists. Nietzsche is not making any metaphysical commitment. He is simply stating his perspective.
>>24697451Bertrand is lacking nuance, it’s weird. It tells me he is a giant pussy. He’s not stupid he’s just a cowardly guy.
>>24697538Partially true, they do seethe and cope because we are free and they have a deep desire to control everything. But they are fighting over the holy land first and foremost. They dislike America because we helped Israel.
>>24699714>nietzsche is… le paradox>nietzsche is….le mad>nietzsche is….le mean>nietzsche is le….cult figureAmazing arguments, truly shows an in depth and close reading of Nietzsche!
>>24699751You can’t even accurately summarize a few quotes, and yet you are confident that you understand Nietzsche better than a pair of actual philosophy professors with decades of experience in the field. Really makes you think
>>24697451>But you need only ask yourself whether what Nietzsche says is true, to realize how paradoxical it is.not everything that refers/applies to itself is necessarily paradoxical you fucking moron
>>24699395 White Christians are the actual Jews of the Bible. The “Jews” today are not actually Jewish. They are imposters and only why the Christians, the real Jews, can defeat the wannabe Jews
>>24700947Jacob/Esau is literally a story about how the strong and capable should be made to serve those who get ahead by trickery. It‘s insane how warped your perspective needs to be sink into these levels of delusion about how you‘re not *really* worshipping your mortal enemy because of a few lines internal to jewish historicism and roundly dismissed by everybody else.
>>24700981Post nose
>>24697451I don't know who Scruton is but his and Russel's quotes are fucking stupid. Only the Chesterton one is interesting and insightful (insight to its author, that is)
>>24697475The entire libtard ethos is based around slave morality tho. I've never understood why you guys adore Nietzsche
>>24701247No idea why you think conservatives aren’t liberals. Conservatism today is conservative liberalism. Conservatism in Nietzsche’s day was basically about strict Christian control of society. I don’t think he would be very infatuated with either
>>24697451If you're god then you're god
>>24701247There's plenty of excellent resources out there explaining why left-wing thinkers adore Nietzsche, but that would require you to read, and conservatives don't read>inb4 spoonfeed me!!!No, you know how to use the internet.
>>24699792I did accurately summarize them and none of them are some all encapsulating refutation. You’re the one who can’t actually read anything, which is why all you can do is post quotes from others and say “look!” while adding absolutely no context or insights of your own. This is typical for the christcuck I guess.
>>24701264>has to defer explanations of "his" beliefs to othersYup it's a lefty
>>24701277>if you don't spoonfeed me then you're a trannyWhy are conservatives like this? So aggressively retarded
>>24699792Russell's attack on Nietzsche is widely ridiculed by Nietzsche scholars as an uncharacteristically retarded misinterpretation by Russell, but keep on pretending to be smart on the internet. Fake it till you make it!
>>24701285If you're a leftist and a fan of Nietzsche, how about you explain how you can reconcile his criticism of slave morality with your beliefs?
>>24701310he attacks slave morality because he thinks it holds people back from the highest levels of human flourishing, fueled by resentment and passive nihilism. or, in terms you're more familiar with, it's retarded to define yourself purely in opposition to other people. (as an off-the-cuff example, I'm old enough to remember when the average american had no opinion at all on trannies one way or the other. this might be difficult for you to believe, and you will probably think I'm lying, but genuinely there was such a time. then the right decided to sperg out over trannies and now the left has to shout how much they love trannies. both sides of this are retarded. the right is retarded because they're defining themselves in opposition to trannies (this is just an example, there are other things) and the left is retarded because they're defining themselves in opposition to the right's opposition.) we can see how capitalism fosters resentment, conformity, and life-denying values, which IMO is bad. the method he uses to critique slave morality can be used to critique a bunch of other things as well, which is fun. please don't make me regret giving you a genuine answer
>>24701339Lol this is a mess thanks for the answer though
