Gene wolfe thread for the discussion of BoTNS, BoTLS, BoTSS, and the solar cycle in general. Mainly because I need to know if I’m fucking crazy or not, but the Hierogrammates/Heirodules are absolutely fucking lutely just the inhummi, mentioned in Urth of The New Sun as the race that mankind found that was not like us but similar to us, that we slowly moulded to be better so that they would mould us, with whom we would trade off in time back and forth each divine year right? It makes too much sense with the Whorl being launched thousands of years, if not millions of years before Severian’s birth - the inhummi evolve over this time thanks to Silk’s influence and turn into the Heiros of Severian’s time.Fucking Gene Wolfe, man.
>>24701760Sad experience teaches me
>>24701772Short Sun is so sad.
>>24701760>Whorl being launched thousands of yearsThe book has it explicitly stated to be 300 years
>>24701760Actually where the hell did you get Long Sun Whorl launched millions of years ago? Typhon launched it and he is nowhere near that much into the past.
>>24702237No, in the book it’s been 300 years SINCE it launched, but it was launched when Typhon was the Grand Leader of all Earth - thousands of years before Severian’s birth. This means when the dream-traveled they were travelling to the future. Remember the Hieros time travelling backwards in BoTNS? Same shit. Or evolution.
>>24702245The fact that literally thousands of mountains in the Andes were carved over the “chilliad” (1000 ish years?) between sev & Ymar and then however much time was really between Typhon and Ymar suggests there is ultimately a VERY long time period between Typhon’s time & Severians. Enough time for at least a few other cultures to spring up in between since there is such a huge discrepancy in tech between Typhon & Severians rules. That said I probably got overzealous. It’s probably not millions of years. It IS a long time though as the sun hadn’t started dying yet in Typhon’s time, right? And again there’s the problem of the Andes Mountains being entirely reformed. It’s gotta be longer than 1000 years.
I doubt Gene Wolfe was overthinking it this much when he was writing it.
>>24702431You’re right, he was overthinking it more. Didn’t he publicly state there were maybe half a dozen people on Earth who actually “got” what he was trying to say with the Briah-Solar cycle?
well, maybe he just wasn't a good enough writer to bring that across the abyss
>>24702427>time was really between Typhon and YmarI thought Severian meets Typhon and Ymar in the same time period in UotNS.The sun is definitely dying during Typhon's time that's when the Concilator religious book is written. Additionally he visits the Citadel already around at the same time as Typhon.Also Typhon and Severian are close enough in time where they speak the same language easily. Language is a very big deal for the work with examples of sailors like Hethor speaking odd do to time displacement, the other country with their crazy language, and the Wolfe translation gimmick putting Severian far enough in time removed from the readers modern time but not so much removed from Typhon.
>>24702427>And again there’s the problem of the Andes Mountains being entirely reformedThey were sculpted by advanced tech. If the dude can build a space colony he can probably make a few Mount Rushmores.
>>24702434why aren't his other books such 'high' quality?
>>24702449Give the man a break. Solar Cycle is 12 books long. And you're over here going "That's nice but where's your 13th high quality book?" Damn slave driver here
>>247024673 books
>>247024724 books Counting Urth as New is like counting Hobbit as LotR
>>24702467>>24702472>>24702476There are clearly 8 books in that image
>>247024793 books in multiple volumes
>>24702483>new>urth>long>short4 books in multiple volumes
