>spend years online in discussion spaces seeing people debate every kind of topic>see the the way different kinds of people argue and the the kind of information they put, forward, ways of arguing, etc. >given enough time, realize that autodidact chudbots who "do their own research" are almost always wrong and very bad faith debaters.
Youre an academic who is seething cause he got btfo'd by some autist autodidact aren't you
>>24703252Whenever someone really really cares about PhDs, there is a 98% chance they are in their first or second year at a second or third rate program with almost zero chance of TT employment
>>24703249This post reeks of asspain
>>24703249>>24703252>>24703261>>24703268op is a faggot gay who has a prolapsed anus.new thread will be :IIT/: we post our degrees >BAS biomedical labtech
>>24703249All great authors and thinkers are autodidacts to a very significant degree. If you stick to watching midwits giving boring lectures and the reading they assign, you will be forever a midwit yourself, no matter how prestigious your degree. You have to read much more widely than that. I've known endless midwits with degrees and I've known incredibly intelligent and well-read autodidacts. You're just positing an arbitrary criterion of greatness, probably as some sort of cope. No diss, just saying.
>>24703252No, just a third person observer of these things
>>24703285*ITT/: >fuck
>>24703287Being an autodidact as in personally building on top of a formal, in depth education is different than someone who thinks they're Goodwill Hunting. All the so called impressive ones that I've seen were mostly just charismatic sophists who were good at presenting things that may not be true in a convincing way.
>>24703285Unfortunately I can't participate in this game...yet.
>>24703252>>24703268>>24703285>>24703287>seething
>>24703249The brightest of the brightest "autodidacts" are always autistically fixated on some approach that academia abandoned 40 years ago. Very occasionally -- VERY, VERY occasionally -- one of the world's leading authorities on Schelling's aesthetics will be some 2.1k follower Twitter account, or some anon on /lit/ will post a genuinely novel interpretation of Yeats, but almost all the time they're wrong in an incredibly complex and longwinded way
Nah. My PhD has never been all that useful or important.
>>24703372>some approach that academia abandoned 40 years agoWho cares. Is the contemporary academic consensus on anything ever actually right? Not in my experience. Simping for academia is midwit mob mentality. A slightly more polite form of regular mob mentality. It's still servile.
Hey guys did u know The Rage afainst the Machine guy is a Harvard graduate? Damn what a genius
Credentials matter the most
>>24703384>Is the contemporary academic consensus on anything ever actually right? Not in my experienceIs this the "academia is joo marxist trannies" cope or is this the "My philosophical system is genius please respond to my emails" cope
>>24703285Economics. Inflation is bullshit. Property taxes as well.
>>24703372>The brightest of the brightest "autodidacts" are always autistically fixated on some approach that academia abandoned Most likely because they have stumbled on a truth which the mob can't see and academia refuses to acknowledge. Let me remind you also that the word "autist" is largely a modern pejorative term for people who naturally belong to the intellectual caste: people who care little for pleasantries, small talk, networking, ass-kissing ("social skills") and who are naturally inclined to study what they're interested in obsessively (they "hyper-fixate"), i.e. with passion, devotion, seriousness, rigor. Meanwhile the regular academic midwit is concerned with attending conferences and fluffing up their résumé.
>>24703405This seems unremarkable, aside from the typos and the insufferable academic prose that you'd get from any academic. >poor people exist>people are poor for a bunch of reasons>they could start a business and stop being poor>and many people have asked why don't poors start businesses to stop being poor>people have shown that poors do have businesses in a sense, just informal, unregistered ones>but some poors have real, formal, registered businesses>how come some poors have formal businesses and some have informal ones>could be how much they trust their social circle>but whether or not their family supports them, if they're willing to take on risk, and if they think they're in control of their own life>turns out that trusting the people around you matters the most>family support and whether they think they control their life doesn't matter that much>but willingness to take on risk is another huge factor tooIDK anon, I get why this research was done
>>24703418>a truth that academia refuses to acknowledge99/100 times this translates to "Professor Smith wouldn't listen to me when I told him that DA JOOS are smuggling in low-IQ blacks to cuck white men by changing the cracker barrel logo" kek
>>24703409If you have an economics degree and you think property taxes are a bad idea you should go to your alma mater and ask for your money back
>>24703406I've translated books by academics. Like colections of essays on a given topic by different authors. Most of it is poorly written. A great deal of it is significantly infected by the well-known cancerous -isms, to the point where there is little if any meat left in there. As in it's a book about New Testament studies and the entire 30-page essay is turgid babble about some Strong Woman character in a gnostic Gospel and the prose is bad. Then you have an essay about the current state of koine Greek and it's competent and the prose is ok. Then you have an essay about "latinx representation" in NT scholarship and you just want to scream and you're not even racist. It's just too lame and atrociously written. Then an essay about the NT's relationship with current "Empire" studies and the guy's thesis is kind of whatever but at least his prose is pretty good. At last someone who at least writes like a scholar. And then another lame essay and so on. Meanwhile I now bloggers who write better and are more well-read than any of these people.
>>24703441I would reply to this but you write like a pig so I would be casting pearls before swine.
>>24703392>>24703405Nobody is saying that everyone with credentials is a smart, academically gifted person. But it's an almost necessary prerequisite or staring point for discussing a topic in depth.
>>24703252Lol
I have succeeded in the professional world alongside college educated people as an autodidact, even surpassed them, but it took a lot of hard work and study. Most people are not interested in spending their weekends poring over graduate level textbooks that most students will skim through anyways.I'd argue that demonstrable knowledge is more important than credentials, especially when credentials can be earned by dubious means. A great deal of institutional doors can be closed as well over political and religious beliefs as shown in recent times, such as opposition to zionist genocide.A great deal of universities, elected public offices, high level corporate jobs, and so on are simply not available to a Muslim who cares about his people in Palestine.Simply protesting the zionists can land you in prison, as shown recently at the University of Texas.I think to be a successful autodidact you need four qualities:1. Confidence in your intellectual abilities2. The discipline to commit many hours of study3. The willingness to take risks where outcomes are uncertain4. The humility to begin at a low level and work your way to demonstrable experience
>>24703384it pretty much is. the domain of upper-middle class Williamsburg aesthetes who are more concerned with "relevancy" and whatever gender pronouns they choose to adopt that week. Totally out of touch with common sense people. And besides that most people who have made discoveries or inventions make them in spite of academia, not because of it. Thomas Kuhn wrote the playbook on why that is.
>>24703441what an obtuse way of addressing the problem. its really no better than a garden variety feminist who says things like "video games exist to oppress women"
>>24703465in what way? show me the evidence.
>>24703249But credentials don't matter.
>>2470365799 times out of 100, that is their problem with academia. If not that then some equally retarded bullshit
>>24703812You're clearly a midwit (at best). You do belong in academia.
>>24703812but why does this bother them? I want to get inside their heads.
>>24703663All the online health influencers with no academic nutrition research background who try to "debunk" almost a century of epidemiological studies and research from people like Ancel Keys to push meme diets.
>>24703249There are four main types of degree:DTheoDDivPhDJDeverything else is for children.Yes I did just say that Science is an Art.
>>24703837no, I'm asking why are academics bothered internally by this? I mean I don't know about the rest of the world but we live in a qualitatively free market environment, shouldn't academics just let the invisible hand just take care of people who choose to believe their own research? Why must we coddle everyone? and what if academia turns out to be wrong? That kind of hubris is going to bite them in the ass.
>>24703859nta but lots of academics (especially in health-related fields) see their research as a public good and their work as a public service. Plus if enough retards "believe their own research" about the wrong thing it starts fucking with people who aren't retarded, ie vaccination/public health in general
>>24703834Academia is the establishment and the establishment is the enemy of truth. The average academic is a careerist midwit. Even if they have an actual passion for truth, an actual scientific instinct, they will soon discover that many fields of inquiry have simply been cordoned off. No trespassing. Nothing to see here. Stick to academic dogma or else.Just look at how the defenders of academia write itt. The unmistakable scent of midwit prose. The normie ever a mainstreamer and a little narcissus.
>>24703249Thats right tranny, everyone secretly knows you are a real live widdle catgirl and is just disagreeing because of their evil sadistic Whiteness!
>>24703837Yes, yes. You probably sneer at names like Weston Price and Ray Peat as well. And to suggest deep-seated corruption within the scientific bureaucracy will ring absurd to you, no? Even when there's plenty actual scientists who have known it from the inside saying that official science is largely corrupt, and we're not merely talking about the "replicability crisis" here. But your problem is fundamentally moral. You care more about respectability (being seen as smart) than about knowing the actual truth, and I know from experience that talking to people like you is a waste of time.
>>24703863>nta but lots of academics (especially in health-related fields) see their research as a public good and their work as a public service. And fairy tales are real, and every young woman a virgin, and Santa Claus is coming to town.
>>24703875>The average academic is a careerist midwit.Sir.I research the Soviet Nomenklatura who were the definitive careerist midwits and I take **severe exception at your compliment to academics.** Have your second call upon my second.
>>24703307And what of your knowledge if you cannot make a case against them?
>>24703908I'm telling you how they genuinely see it. You can think their research is wrong, but if you think that the academics at the Gillings School of Public Health or wherever are cackling as they plot your downfall then you're a retard
>>24703905Faggots like you always go from something real, like the meat industry or the candy industry funding nutritional research, to something breathtakingly retarded. Just save us the "I know things They don't want you to know" routine and tell us your breathtakingly retarded opinion already
>>24703418Spotted the genuine sperg
>>24703587
>>24703972Crack six chains of carbon and what do you get?A patent pending causing medical debt.Don't tell Lord Jesus about my murdered mouse souls.I owe my Doctorate to the Pfizer profit hole.
>>24703965>cackling as they plot your downfall then you're a retardNo, no. They're nothing but well-meaning humanitarians. Franciscan mystics with hearts ablaze diligently synthesizing new patentable molecules for the corporate leviathans funding their research. Hell, they would do it for free. They would do it even if they thereby risked their reputations. They are heroes. Such big, big hearts.
To be fair I don't think I have ever seen in my entire life someone worth talking about art, history, philosophy and so on without at least a bachelor's degree. It's not that you need to be particularly smart to get a bachelor, it's just that the bar is so low that if you don't have one it's very likely you really are just subhuman or below average intelligence. Even if the degree is completely unrelated or banal.As per academia? The main problem si that there are way too many old people. Once someone is over the age of 40 they don't change their worldview anymore and will keep on trying to prove themselves through sophistry, this is even worst outside of humanities where researchers can't just come out and say "well uhhh my idea didn't work and my thesis wasn't really proven" after being given a couple thousands to millions of dollars on their pet astronomy project.The absolute seething in this thread from OP just saying "hey maybe some asshat who did the bare minimun and read a couple books and works, wrote a shwaty little thesis and so on is probably better than some blue collar young adult insisting he knows a lot about history and philosophy from youtubers, podcasts and twitter influencers" just proves that maybe /lit/ ain't so smart after all. Some things are the status quo because they are obvious to anyone: Yeah academics kinda center their whole career around studying a specific subject so they probably know better than you. This whole thread just reeks of "didn't attend college or dropped out" because some of the things people are claiming here like >>24703877 just straight the fuck up never happen.I don't even like universities that much and I think a master's degree is already pushing it if you want to find a practical use for your degree beyond studying your hyperfixation a hell of a lot, because yeah a lot of academic thesis specially in history and literature center around just that.
>>24703977Yeah, I'm proud of being a genuine and literal sperg. Autistically rigorous, compulsively systematizing, lustful for raw data and patterns and implications, inordinately truth-seeking, prone to infodump on the nearest hapless normie, heedless of time-wasting social conventions. I'm ChatGPT avant la lettre.
>>24703986Oh my god you actually think they're plotting your downfall that's so fucking funny lmao
>>24703863
>>24704001Your reading comprehension is abysmal. Good fucking grief, lad. I'm actually speechless. Fumbling for words. How does one even talk to someone as stupid as you? Nothing I say would get through to you. Your stupidity is a distorting lens. If I talk plain sense God knows what you will read into it. But alas I tried being subtle and ironic, which when it comes to you is like waxing purple to a dog.
>>24703992Im actually trying to get my BA in history so that's not exactly true
>>24703996How embarrassing, my condolences
>>24704032>Im actually trying to get my BA in history so that's not exactly trueYou need to read Browning C 1993; Something CPGB (Thompson, Time, Piece Work…, article); and something Annales. Right now.
>>24704032Wait which part isn't true my post is far too messy and it's late at night sorry
>>24704055I've read a decent load of Annales School histories already
>>24704059It just seems like your post stinks of hubris and maybe you should rewrite it so you don't come across sounding a giant faggot.
>>24704146You'll want to read CPGB (historian) for the other marxist option, don't bother with Carr: still to Hill and Thompson.
>>24703444why? it's not orthodoxy. many places do not do property tax
>>24704153Im aware im a giant pretentious faggot so im fine with sounding like one and being judged as one, be at peace with your own spirit and work towards achieving your delusions of grandeur to justify your own narcissism and pride rather than trying to humble it by repressing it yourself, the only way to be humbled is by others and from learning from bigger fish instead of being spiteful at them... University actually helped me learn a lot from this because a couple people there were genuinely stellar and way more well read than me when I had stayed most of my life hanging atound people way less cultured than me in my personal life and in school, it's probably the best enviroment for learning/studying all things considered even though that's not really a high bar (and we all know the best place is one's personal study). Im doing an IR degree right now because my family has worked with diplomacy for 3 generations.To be fair maybe it's also a geographical thing because here in Italy while yeah there is some zeitgeist slop shit I wouldn't expect it to be as strong as in places like the US, UK, France and so on.
>>24704192yeah but what if the bigger fish is wrong?
>>24704205I would be able to tell because im hardly ever wrong. In fact a bigger fish than you told you to believe the bigger fish are wrong. There aren't any universal constants you just need to have some critical thinking to go "ey thats a little biased aint it" and study it yourself to prove your professor was wrong and feel smug satisfaction about it at home. They aren't purposefully trying to mislead you cause they usually believe the shit they preach but they're very hardly talking out of their ass.
>>24704214man it must hurt to be this unaware of one's self.
>>24704216Maybe I am stupid because I just realised your attitude is profoundly protestant in origin, somewhat american, thus not worthy of being engaged with in earnest
>>24703252The first resort of a losing argument is ad hominim.The second resort of a losing argument is appeal to authority.
>>24704240>appeal to authorityDefinition of credentials.
>>24704233don't forget, we own the west, and you'll be paying us for eternity.
>>24703249>spend years onlinesays everything I need to know about OP's "credentials".
>>24703983dooo-dooo-dooo-dooo-dooo-doo-doo-doI hear it.
>>24704752Cheers cunt, not enough people around here know who to steal off.
>>2470324929, about a week ago.
>>24703249I realized when I dropped out of high school and tried getting a job. I wanted to do the Steve Jobs thing, but every job ad for anything to do with technology required a degree in CS or engineering. Nobody cares you know how to make Doom WADs. The turning point was when I saw a job ad looking for somebody to sell falafels on the street and thought>Oh, there's one. Anyone could do that.but it required a degree from business school.
>>24703287>All great authors and thinkers are autodidacts to a very significant degree.Which isn't mutually exclusive of obtaining a formal education. >>24703587>I'd argue that demonstrable knowledge is more important than credentialsCredentials are supposed to represent demonstrable knowledge, that's their whole point. >jews are over-represented in academic faculty yeah
>>24705671>Credentials are supposed to represent demonstrable knowledgeNo shit. Were you born yesterday? Want to explain to us what a university is while you're at it? Anyone who knows anything about anything knows credentials are really quite meaningless. Way too many credentialed hacks and mediocrities out there. All a degree means is you sat through lectures and took tests and toed the party line.
>>24706046>I'd argue that demonstrable knowledge is more important than credentialsNo shit. Want to explain to us what a job is while you're at it?
>>24706316Yeah whatever, maybe I missed your point. I'm a bit of a hothead. College is good, colege suxx, do why you want, who cares.
>>24706350I don’t really have a point I was just being annoying and pedantic, I agree with you
ITT: seething cope from “autodidacts” who would get buttblasted by a weed out undergrad bio course or intro to formal logic kek
>>24704026I love this routine you people do where you talk like old-timey columnists from the 50s because you think it makes you sound smart lmao so much insecurity radiating off your posts
>>24706580It's how I write. It's how I think. No special effort involved. I'm not even a native anglophone. Do you even read anything other than tiktok comments?
>>24703249Credentials dont matter. >graduate college >cant get a job at a gas station or a restaurant >leave country and get a job teaching English >this sucks. I want to work at a real school>go to college again and get a teaching credential >still cant get a job at a real school >"you dont have enough experience teaching.">"I have seven years teaching experience.">"yeah but that doesnt count because blah blah blah." >completely give up on teaching >work at FAANG company now. College is and always will be a colossal waste of time and money. The game is rigged. It's time to quit playing.
>>24706580In fact you would probably be less stupid if you made it a point to word your thoughts more carefully and tried to tame your irrepressible animal urge to "laugh your ass off" after your every inane sentence. Give it a try. I'm not even kidding.
The first time I looked for a job, despite having 3 years of experience relevant to the position with multiple references in the industry who would vouch for me, and being told they weren't considering candidates who didn't have a specific college degree. I left my credentials vague on my resume so I managed to get to the interview, and it wasn't until I'd passed the main interview that my lack of credentials came up. They turned me down despite saying I was well qualified for the position, because it was "against company policy" to hire a person without a college degree.
>>24706665Why don’t you just lie?
Why are people implying it's one or the other? You can have credentials and be an auto-didact? In fact, I'd argue that most autodidacts are likely to have credentials still. Why not if have the piece of paper that opens doors if you're going to be learning all the time anyway? Ted Kaczynski had a PhD in Mathematics before retreating to his cabin to study whatever retarded shit he wanted. The bar is very low for credentials nowadays and the glamorous veneer of higher education has rubbed off. It's not like it was in the 2000s when I was younger, when you were treated like a fucking retard for not going to college. People are more aware of the useless degrees and have the (correct) brown thirdie mentality of just going in to min-max instead of following passions. Every man I know that studied english literature to follow his passion ended up working menial blue collar jobs, one is stacking shelves at a supermarket. Typically the women end up being case managers for the welfare office or holding some pencil pusher job in the local council for 20% more than minimum wage.That said, there will always be dunning kruger types who will pretend to be auto-didacts or polymaths despite being fucking retarded. As gay as higher education is now, at least it's a de-facto IQ test that does filter out the actual low tier dumbshits despite promoting mediocrity.
>>24703418A real world example from a PhD I know who wrote about the local civil war. In the first chapter of his book where he recounted the events of a battle before getting to the analysis of its consequences in the later chapters he wrote something like "The attack started at 9:15" because the attack order preserved in archives had been stamped at having been given at 9:15. A local amateur historian took issue with this. Noting that the order had been stamped at 9:15, and that they had used runners back in the day, he went to the location of the HQ and took a jog from there to where the battalion that launched the attack had been stationed. He found out that it took four minutes to reach the battalion's position and hence concluded that the attack had, in fact, started at 9:19.Had the amateur historian seen a truth the PhD couldn't see and contributed a real and genuine correction? Yes, absolutely.Was the amateur historian an autistic retard who contributed nothing of value? Yes, absolutely.This is a rather silly but concrete example that I find playing out time and again in more abstract forms when it comes to academics and their self-taught critics.
>>24707082if the guy was an academic you would say his tiny contribution have value. if not, you could even say that recounted the events of a battle is an inherent autistic endeavour too.
>>24707082Uh, but the amateur historian was correct and his correction DOES have value.Being correct is an absolute defense.Just admit you're a whiny bitch who can't handle people without the stamp of approval correcting those who do.
>>24707082Had the amateur been a fellow PhD and taken the exact same actions, you'd be praising him and consider the event a humorous anecdote.
>>24707082>>24707151>>24707158>>24707179For the contribution to have value it would have to circulate M-C...P...C'-M' etc.
>>24703249Nigga if you are going to post off-topic at least add "Books for this feeling" at the end of your slop.
>>24706974This. Most polymaths will actively seek out people who do nothing but study those topics to learn more, and those people are usually only accessible via higher learning.And at any rate no polymath would be wasting time here. Shitposting eats away at time to engage in all those activities, presumably…
>>24703409Inflation is useful to spur investment. You seem to be uneducated.
>>24703418"Autist" is such a useless word because of its broadness. It can mean a person with an unusual intensity of esoteric interest but it can also mean a drooling retard who can't form a sentence and needs his food cut up for him.
>>24707668It's also just a hyperinflated 'stylish' self-label that's thrown around willy-nilly by people seeking to signal their otherness against the crowd of so-called "neurotypicals", and it's very very gay as a result of that.
>>24703249do you have the credentials for this opinion?
>>24703249>whencredentials only matter in non-anonymous spaces>why thobecause anon forces people to evaluate you based on a single post vs your personal history of posting
Do you judge an author on his work or on where he graduated from? Is that not the fundamental question here?
>>24706613>>24706613>>24706648>reeeeeeeeeeeeeetriggered lmaooooo
>>24707082>they've stumbled on a truth that the mob CAN'T SEE and academia REFUSES TO ACKNOWLEDGE>um akshually the battle started at 9:19 not 9:15 akshually This is your real-world example?
>>24708930Pig.
>>24709225Looks like you forgot to say something you were upset about, maybe you need to make another reply
>>24708944I was thinking more in the lines of Rupert Sheldrake and Ray Peat (and thinkers even more dangerously dissident I shan't name). Men of learning and erudition who have original theories about important topics (physics, biology, anthropology, metaphysics) with a large mass of robust empirical and bibliographic evidence to back up their claims who nonetheless tend to be sneeringly dismissed by academics because of how violenty their claims clash with contemporary academic orthodoxy. These are the "autists" I was referring to upthread, mind you. Hyperfixation and indifference to how others see you (i.e. academic respectability, status quo, mainstream consensus): are these not "autistic" traits? Are they not also the ideal traits of a thinker or scientist?Anyway some of these men have degrees and some of them are autodidacts. Some of them self-publish and some of them publish academically. What I do hate is people who have nothing but credentials to fall back on which is the case of many itt simping for academia.
