He has like 3-4 good plays and a couple nice sonnets.
>>24711368Which plays and which sonnets do you approve of
>>24711372Plays:HamletJulius CaesarRomeo and Julia(purposefully omitting: Macbeth, King Lear, Merchant of Venice, Othello, Titus Andronicus)Sonnets would be too difficult to list as there are many fine ones, but the other +140 are fairly forgettable.
>>24711431Caesar over Lear or Macbeth is fucking insanity.
>>24711431The midwit canon
>>24711431how can anyone just disregard Midsummer Nights Dream so casually, literally his best comedy
>>24711448Caesar is vastly underrated because most people in the anglosphere were taught it as a rhetoric lesson and have a hard time breaking out of that frame. I prefer it by leaps and bounds to Macbeth because Brutus has a compelling question of not knowing what is the good and how to approach this in conflict with his personal loyalties; which is a far more multivariate approach than being lured by power and then absorbed by it. With that said OP is still a faggot because he doesn‘t even have a very firm grasp on which plays are his notable exclusions: Titus Andronicus almost never enters the debate and The Merchant of Venice is a very minor comedy aside from that its subject matter parallels a contemporary hot-button topic.
>>24711742the pretentious and desperate to make it all meaningful again choice
>>24711368I liked Titus Andronicus. It's just a mix of many greekroman myths into a play modernly adapting them.
>>24711790Its revoltingly violent and nothing but that. When people murmur that Shakespeare is multiple people, then Titus Andronicus always comes to minds.
>>24711780Strange critique: besides being an early work in Shakespeare‘s most accessible mode, it has a famous reputation as being accessible to amateur performance and (mostly) appropriate for children.
>>24711800It's way more than that. It's a modern adaptation of the tragedies of Hecuba, the myth of Philomela, and the myth/tragedy of Atreus and Thyestes. Many people get filtered because they are not well read in mythology/tragedies.
>>24711824Yes, like most of Shakespeares work it is just copy paste translation from ancient texts, but that doesn't change that this work doesn't interplay moral or character conflicts. Its simple hate, gruesome violence, and equally violent revenge.You're not actually countering by pretending older myths had more content, when this play clearly does not in any way.
>>24711368mkay, hear what youre saying, but what are your thoughts on Marlowe, or his other contemporaries?
>>24711836>but that doesn't change that this work doesn't interplay moral or character conflicts.It does, though. The protagonist, Titus, is not supposed to be a good guy. He is supposed to be an old man so attached to tradition, that he votes the worst candidate possible for emperor, and then suffer the consequences for it. He doesn't mind killing his sons just because of tradition or the appeal to current power. He also gets instantly betrayed by the new emperor: suddenly his major enemy becomes the empress. It kind of reminds me of something...
>>24711368While we're at it, I enjoyed his sonnets aesthetically, but their actual meaning is dumb as hell. They're like alternative rock songs. Still, he's a master of the craft and I love his plays.
>>24711448macbeth is top tieri love macbeth
>>24711763>refering to white people as the anglosphere>>24711431>romeo and julia>julia
>>24711895I can‘t speak for whether France, Germany, Italy, or other White countries with a Shakespearean tradition use those two particular speeches in exactly the same manner. Particularly given that their development in England (then countries using the English model) had a specific concurrence with the development of some language arts in the middle class who were still not on the level of being trained in the classics to discuss rhetoric using Horace and Cicero.
The two parts of Henry IV are fun. 1st part was better of the two though.Richard II and Richard III were good but in very different ways.
>>24711448>>24711763yeah it definitely surprised me, i expected it to be a bit dry. don't really know why putting it over macbeth is "insanity". >>24711431can you give some rationale for some of the ones you disliked? besides titus andronicus, which no one take seriously.
>>24712275>besides titus andronicus, which no one take seriously.NTA but I really liked Titus Andronicus and want to do a write up on it. I'm not saying it's on par with Macbeth, but it's much underrated.
No matter where; of comfort no man speak:Let’s talk of graves, of worms, and epitaphs;Make dust our paper and with rainy eyesWrite sorrow on the bosom of the earth,Let’s choose executors and talk of wills:And yet not so, for what can we bequeathSave our deposed bodies to the ground?
>>24711431>the other +140 are fairly forgettable
>>24711465>Hamlet is his undeniable best. >Romeo and Juliet is the most well known.>Caesar is the historically most interesting (who cares about all these random english kings)seems a fine selection to me
>>24711904I can weigh in on France since I have been privileged to attend l'école du Français du Monde here in France since 2019. You got it right using your hunch: we started leaning on classical authors more than protestant upstatrts like Shakespeare until a few hundred years ago when the jesuits and their influences were expelled from France, and now we look more at Voltaire, Camus, and Sarte as a three part core of «the leçons du rhetorique et la style», forming a holistic curriculum of mind, body, and soul approach to debate, which is seen as a national Duty for the french. While Shakespeare is not used beyond wider European theater classes, we admire the free thinking American school systems very much a lot, and great respect is paid to Emerson, Thoreau, Friedman, and Sowell within and without the curriculum, whereas people like Keynes or Chomsky are virtually ignored outside of provacative engagements.
>>24712389this is the gayest American LARP trying to make his pathetic materialist country seem relevant kek lmao
>the free thinking American school systemssacré bleu...
>>24711431No Coriolanus but Romeo and Juliet? Mother of bait.
>>24712398Obviously I am only a humble American attending a cultural exchange universitie in France and have my own biases about relevance, but I was actually surprised by how respected American authors and the American educational system is in Europe! I would estimate every one in five French person I speak to asks me about pragmatism or transcendentalism, and from the look on their faces when I'm reading an American novel in English at le diner, I can tell no matter how full of food their bellies become, they are always starving to discuss American letters with me. >>24712481These kind of books don't get much attention here.
>>24711431>purposefully omitting: Macbeth, King Lear, Merchant of Venice, Othello, Titus Andronicus)Why?
>>24712580>These kind of books don't get much attention here.the past decade of popular media would say otherwise dishonest-kun
>>24712508This is the almost universal opinion outside of online tradlarpers with an unwarranted superiority complex and T.S. Eliot.
>>24712677How fascinating! Because I don't care what the universal opinion is when it's so aesthetically and critically wrong.
>>24711368I don’t consider the opinion of anyone who hasn’t read or has no thoughts on his history plays
>>24711368I HATE THE ANTISHAKESPEARE I HATE THE ANTISHAKESPEAREANTISHAKESPEARES COULD BE HERE, HE, CHEST BARED AND SWEATING, CONTEMPLATED, IDLY SCRATCHING HIS ITCHING GYNECOMASTIA>>24713003
>>24711368>I think Shakespeare is overratedthis board is really fucking stupid isn't it
