And they said never to start a sentence with that word... But you know what? I think it's actually worse if you end a sentence with the word "and". Same with "but".Why were we never taught this?
"they" were dealing with a classroom of children who started every sentence with a conjunction or interjection. What is your excuse?
>>24713395So lying is their excuse for poisoning our minds!?EAT SHIT DIE, PERSON OF COLOR, AND!!!
>>24713405Telling someone not to do something is not a lie. Ironically, this is why they told you not to do it, you can't think for yourself, just react on emotion as if you were still in grade school being told that poop is not a condiment.
>>24713409The memory was so persistent that all these years later, I couldn't help but say but... I found it ludicrous!Also nothing is ironic here, you're using that word wrong.>as if you were still in grade school being told that poop is not a condiment.It's not!?
>>24713417>you're using that word wrongThis is probably another example of your blindly accepting everything you were told not to do as a rule and never thinking about anything. Be prepared for a year or two where you flail about in your writing, breaking all the "rules" and never thinking about your actual usage or reasons. You could avoid going through this stage and avoid writing a whole lot of cringe but you probably won't.
>>24713427Are you always this arrogant? (Answer: YES!)You clearly don't know what ironic means. You used it in place of a word that means when something is the same, instead of using it where it would imply something is the opposite, as it should be. Many such cases...A proper example of the usage of irony would be me telling you to eat shit and die, as if I am telling you to deliberately eat something that isn't food, and then me being surprised when you tell me that poop isn't a condiment. Yes, that is ironic!
>>24713433>answers his own question>calls others arrogantlol. Also, that is not at all how I used it, ironic.
>>24713427Pretty ironic, given how cringe you whole ape like antogonizing of a clearly cheeky-&-for-fun post is. I had a chucle.
>>24713441Yes it is, you used it exactly in the same place that everyone who uses it incorrectly does.Conversely, another proper use of ironic was your comment of:>This is probably another example of your blindly accepting everything you were told not to do as a rule and never thinking about anything.You clearly didn't consider how this would come across, and if you actually did, then why should you try to use irony in a super metaphysical context, where the very use of it is ironic in and of itself? It becomes fucking stupid then, and you only made yourself out to look like a dumbass!
>>24713444That is not ironic, you are basing it on an assumption, which is itself ironic in a sad sort of way. >>24713452You will probably take four or five years to get over your cringe phase.
>>24713458So you tell the other anon that he is wrong and that it is not ironic, but then you you make an idiotic remark to me instead of a proper retort when I tell you the same thing as he did!?This isn't ironic, this is fitting of you.
>>24713461You did not offer anything worth direct response, adhom. The other anon was wrong, should I have told him he was right? You really don't know what irony is or are trying to meme/troll in a retarded fashion, difficult to say.
>>24713464How can only one of us be wrong when we both told you your response was ironic? The only thing you should've responded with to me by that point, was your explanation of why you originally used "ironically" in the place that you did. You've had all this opportunity to defend yourself, and yet you have done NOTHING with it!>You really don't know what irony is or are trying to meme/troll in a retarded fashion, difficult to say.WHY ARE YOU SO IRONIC?!?
>>24713469Still can't tell if stupid or troll. Not that there would be much difference in this case.
>>24713472You are a living example of this!
>>24713417>you're using that word wrongly.ftfy. Now write it out 200 times.
>>24714644Okay, I did.You never said to post it here, though.
>>24714644Hello, samefag!
>>24714858Which fag am I supposed to be the same as?
you have to teach the average IQ
>>24714886The one who doesn't know the definition of ironic, but ironically thinks he does.
>>24714890If it's so average, then why does everyone disagree with this practice?
>>24713374Because I have never heard anyone end a sentence with the word "and" in the first place.
>>24715294There's a first time for everything :)
>>24715294And?
>>24715371So they don't bother warning people against doing things that they never felt the temptation to do in the first place.
>>24715379And?
>>24715386...oh, I get what you're doing. Ha, ha, very funny, you've come up with an example that fulfills the letter of the question while missing the spirit so badly that it took me two repetitions to even realize that's what you were doing.
>>24715390It is also a very common example of a sentence which ends with "and" so common you did not even notice. But and so are also common. I was addressing your point, I was showing you your error and trying to get you to reevaluate you point.
>>24715397Okay, let me amend that: people rarely end a sentence with "and" unless it's the only word in its clause. (And it has a specific meaning in this context, so to forbid it outright would be to hamper the expressive capacity of the language.)
>>24715406It ends full sentences as well, generally followed by an elipssis but we also see constructions like "What do you mean, and?" or the single word exclamation "And!" both used to call into question one or both sides of the other persons conjunction. Plenty more examples if you put a little thought into it. And. But we don't need to tell people not to end a sentence with "and," they are quite good about using it properly. 90% of the time people start a sentence with "and" they are actually continuing the previous thought, 99% for those under 18 and it is surprisingly difficult to teach people to use it properly.
>>24715406>>24715427But can you end a sentence with the word "the"?
>>24715427>elipssisYou mean the punctuation mark that literally means "this sentence isn't completed, there is more that was elided"?>"What do you mean, and?"I can get no intelligible meaning from this unless the word "and" is meant to be in quotes. In which case use-mention distinction.>or the single word exclamation "And!"Then it is by definition the only word in its clause. (And it seems like use-mention distinction again.)>it is surprisingly difficult to teach people to use it properlyWhat is the proper use, and how do we know?>>24715434Probably not, outside of some weird edge case. Especially with the use-mention distinction thing I already brought up.
>>24715326If you want to be retarded on purpose, nobody's going to stop you.
>>24715386IMPROV!
>>24715437>Probably not, outside of some weird edge case.Which weird edge case would this have an appropriate use in?
>>24715442Then why won't you say anything to the anons discussing it right now? Are you one of the anons currently discussing it?
>>24715450Well, I mentioned the use-mention distinction. As in>Let's talk about the word "the".But that's not really a sentence ending in the word "the", it's a sentence ending in a quotation of the word "the".
>>24715454If you want to be retarded on purpose, nobody's going to stop you.
>>24715456If you want to be retarded on purpose, nobody's going to stop you.
>>24715437Elipssis for elided text is kind of terrible since it also can mean they trailed off as in the case they got to the "and" realized there was no and, or just drew out the last word. Using elipsis here can cause some serious issues which is why we often see things like the double em-dash used for elided text, no ambiguity. Sentences ending in elipsis are often full and complete thoughts with nothing hidden.And was supposed to be quoted, phone posting right now. I don't see what use-mention distinction has to do with the point here, seems like a waffle. Simple test for proper and good usage, If you can replace the conjuction with a semicolon and the meaning does not fall apart, it is incorrect.
>>24715518>Simple test for proper and good usage, If you can replace the conjuction with a semicolon and the meaning does not fall apart, it is incorrect.>I am ready and he is not.>I am ready; he is not.Are you really telling me the first one is bad English? On what basis?
>>24715518>seems like a waffle.Not him, but I've never heard this before. What exactly are you implying?
>>24715371thats not a sentence
>>24715550What else is it?
>>24715523Learn context, this is about starting sentences with a conjunction, not conjunction in general. >>24715543Playing word games to be right; he says it's never done, I provide common examples, he says they don't really count and leaves the scope of the discussion completely and brings linguistics. But,not sure, so said it seems like one instead of of stating it was, need to wait and hear his response.
>>24715600A waffle to which, the correlation, by me, is not understood.How did I do, is anything technically incorrect?
Why even is this meant to be a rule? Humans start sentences with "but" all the time.
>>24715617But why?
>>24715636Because pacing. Sometimes you want to pause, and then continue a thought.
>>24715612Your sentence? Weird structure and poorly formed, larps as old timey. Technically a mess by prescriptive standards, irritating and ambiguous by descriptive standards. Complex sentences should develop linearly with a clear path for how the dependency works. If you want the "by me" there it would be better off in em-dashes or parentheses. I would go with parentheses but the case could be made for either; in context of a larger bit of writing it is easier to say which would be better. >>24715617It is not a rule, it is a guideline to make retards less irritating to listen too.
>>24715650But surely you realise this is just what people talk like?
>>24715649How would that provide a pause? Are you trying to use starting with a "but" to refer back to a previous sentence? Can you provide an example?
>>24715636Because that's part of the English language.
>>24713472>uses irony wrong>"no anon, that isn't what I meant, you didn't understand">is asked what they meant>doesn't answer>calls the other person retardedGo figure, kek
