What is up with zoomers and Dostoevsky? It's getting downright cultish
>>24720925should be reading this
>>24720925It’s only a handful of pages so their adhd brains might actually make it through. Other than that the weird trends comes from less regulation and psyopping on tiktok (on most topics anyway). Early social media was like that when something could actually trend because of popularity regardless of what it was. They are still in that mode. The terminal cancer stage is Faceshart where half the content isn’t real and virtually everything exists to sell you a product. You don’t even get to see popular posts from your friends they’re held hostage so you can get more AI cat videos with bot comments and buy a dropshipped ass wiper from china.
>>24720925The astroturfing this because they are about to throw Ukraine under the bus so bringing back all the Russian writers is part of the first step to making everybody hate the hohols again.
wHaT iS Up wiTH ZoOmeRS aNd DoSToEvSKy
>>24720925/lit/ back then: zoomers will never read dosto/lit/ now: NOOOOOOOO HOW COULD HAVE ZOOMERS FIND ABOUT DOSTO!?
Trash thread, kys.>>24721065Schizo.
>>24720943Dostoyevsky is on the longer side... if you can make it through Crime and Punishment you can make it through basically anything. It really starts to drag once you get 200 pages in. I admit I dropped it. I read Journey to The End of The Night with no problem and that's about the same length. Idk maybe Dosto is more readable in Russian but in English he's rather repetitive.
>>24720925It's the ultimate female power fantasy: rejecting a guy who then obsesses over you for the rest of his life.
>>24720925You fags seethe when they don't read and seethe when they do read
>>24721138They are reading it wrongSo what's the point
>>24721139>teenagers do something wrongUnbelievable, surely this means they'll never do it correctly throughout the course of their entire lives
>>24721139It's better than nothing. Bloom would be proud
>>24721088So what am I supposed to do as the guy in that situation
>>24720925When the side nigger catch feelings.
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>>24720925Easy to read and to get something out of, beautiful and deeply meaningful to many, treats issues that are on the minds of people right now, very relatable and introspective, many short (enough) works, great cultural relevance. Pretty ideal author for a trend, not the worst choice for a pseud cult either
>>24720925i enjoy the philosophical questions or topics he raises because they are usually sandwiched between a compelling story and not some ancient tome you have to slog through.you also need to stop equating zoomers with being teenagers, the oldest are nearly 30 years old now.
>>24721289>So what am I supposed to do as the guy in that situationRead Wuthering Heights.
>>24720925Short and the author is loved by elitists, that's really what it is. Not much commitment but you can say you have read Dostoevsky and feel cool.
>>24721561Can I just watch the upcoming movie
>>24721657You can't watch performative masculinity for women's sexual consumption, you have to act the phallus. Jesus fucks cunt read Ecrits by Lacan.
>>24721561He still obsesses over her tho except in a le Bryonic way
>>24721671>BryonicB L A K E
>>24720925>What's up with (Group) and (Thing)Manufactured consensus. That is what is always up with (Group) and (Thing). Its not even legitimate consensus, if you actually go and talk to people among (Group) about (Thing), regardless of what Group and Thing are, you'll find that opinions differ and a lot of people don't care. All actual consensus is manufactured consensus designed to sell you on its own existence because institutions know you won't actually go ask (Group) about (Thing), no more and no less.
>>24720925At least they've moved onto something better than Camus and Marcus Aurelius slop
You guys still haven't figured out how much this website effects culture downstream?
>>24721139How do you "read somethong wrong?"
>>24720925Its implied
>>24720925The black chick on the right prob imagines the characters as black.
>>24722023While I do agree that people often accuse others of "reading wrong" without merit, you can definitely read something wrong. You can make the argument that art is subjective, and that your opinion of it is always a personal thing, but when making statements about authorial intent, motifs, and themes, you can misunderstand them. If you don't understand Russian culture from the 1800's to some extent, you will not be able to understand Dostoevsky, plain and simple. You can understand the basic themes that are communicated in the beats of the stories, but if you don't understand the social and political context he was writing in, you won't understand what he was trying to say, and who he was trying to speak to.For a more simple example, if someone came up to you after reading 1984, and said that George Orwell must have really thought that authoritarian surveillance states were a good thing, then you could easily say they read the book wrong. They can believe that themselves after reading the book, but if they think the author holds views that are completely opposite or unrelated to the books themes, then they read it wrong
>>24722052Most people imagine the characters in any media as similar to themselves if they can. Art depicting Jesus from Ming Dynasty China has him looking Chinese.A large number of people have no internal monologue and cannot imagine complex images in their mind, so being unable to picture characters different from themselves will be no surprise.
>>24721087White Nights is hardly 50 pages and I'd be surprised if those tiktok zoomers even read through that. It's just a fashionable book to hold up in a video.
>>24721076its less about reading dosto and more about the obsession with white nightsthere is nothing wrong in reading white nights per se but the whole poser shit everyone does after reading it and only it getting into dosto via white nights is fine but no other works of his are being promoooted on basedcial mediat. 21yo zoomie zoom
>>24722130am i the only one who hates 4chan transformationschanging my desu -> desu and onions -> based
>>24722142fuck this site
>>24722142haha i'd forgotten about onions and onions. what happened to that? inherited by the sharty? well, good riddance. generally though think the filters are funny. i find myself typing out the desus nowadays. i guess that's a bad sign, actually, that it has changed how i put my thoughts into words, even if it seems confined to when i write here for now.
It's simple. Anything that is done publicly, and in front of an audience is done with intent, regardless of whether that intent is known to the audience or even to the performer. On a platform such as TikTok or Insta, engagement is the only thing that matters. If you're content is not engaging, it will not be seen and will receive no notoriety. What we see at the surface might not be indicative of what actually is but will always demonstrate what we want to be. Zoomers want to be taken seriously, they want to show to those older than them that they are just as mature, learned, pensive as everyone before them. The pressure in book circles is to stand out. To show that you are a cut above. Your value as a creator of content consumption comes from having better taste than the rest. The creators are aware of this inherent desire in the audience and find ways to become a conduit. They know of writers such as Dosteovsky who are eccentric, foreign, and obscure to those outside their circles and see introducing him to these wider circles as a method of gaining credit. Their engagement comes from saying that they are good curators when the reality is that they might not even necessarily care about the author or his works all that much. It's not that they like the book, but that they like the idea of liking the book or the accolades that might come with being seen as liking the book. Similar snobbery exist in music listening and I would imagine art. The irony of it all is that you see how these people really engage with content once others pick it up, and we even see some of it here. Some people simply like a price of music or literature or art because it's obscure, and obscurity is the main draw. Once that piece has become more popular, and the value of that obscurity no longer exist, their engagement with it changes. It can no longer be some quirky pin they wear about them like an outfit. It's a piece of media that everyone has access to they can no longer uniquely identify to. You would expect them to be happy that their taste are being validated but it's the opposite. They come to learn that they are not so special and the their taste are not special either. The piece pf art loses their favor and they discard it or it loses its prestige.
>>24722076Grim, very grim.
>>24722142Tbh senpai
>>24722241NANI!!!!!?
Because Dostoevsky is perceived as self-help. Also see : David Foster Wallace.
>>24722385DFW isnt remotely as famous with modern zoomers or even millenials as Dosto. I asked about infinite jest at a library, and told my family doctor about it (shes young) and they didnt even know what it was, they searched it up and asked "so its a comedy?" and I had to awkwardly say..."yeah...im totally trying to read a 1000 page comedy" lolI dont even know how to sell a book like Infinite Jest to a normie.
>>24722407a kinda rough, stem-looking 20-something bookstore gruntworker (equivalent of b&n, more or less) gave me an incredulous stare and corrected my pronunciation of Houllebecq when I asked if they had Annihilation in pocket format. i think normie reading is very binary. either you're fairly aware of most of the mainstream writers and their work, dfw definitely included, or you have no idea about any of it. that's my experience, anyway.
People act like Dostoevsky is overrated but I think he's overrated in a way that everyone knows that he's great but out of his works people only read Crime and Punishment or White Nights at best. I read TBK on a whim and I've never heard about it before or what it is about.
>>24720925I dont care. Whats important is that people are reading. I swear, the act of reading is more beneficial than what a person reads, if you follow me.
>>24722899Also, to contradict myself, as much as I like Dosto, I do wish Dickens would catch on and become a fad for a while.
>>24720925What is up with millenials bitching about zoomers constantly? There's always at least one thread about it on every board. Coping with getting old?
>>24722431I'm /fit/ and I find the same thing with the fitness sphere. Its like people who workout are becoming fitter and more knowledgeable than past generation, but people who dont workout are getting more and more unfit. Its like there is no casual amateurs anymore. Which is a shame but thats how like is these days.
>>24720925Every author deserves exactly the kind of readers he gets
>>24722076No shot.
I assume there’s some anti-Trump aspect to them reading it. Kind of like how it went viral to read 1984 during his first term.
>>24722902>mentions DickensYoure a good lad.
>>24720925Every day on this board there's a post complaining about how people aren't reading classic literature anymore, why are people on here now bitching and moaning when an old book goes viral?
>>24720925Jordan Peterson promoted it as part of his weird LARP. reading dostoevsky became a way to LARP in right wing circles on the internet. Now it spreads to tik tok. not hard to understand
>>24720925shame it's such a fucking terrible little book
>>24723149Thanks lad. I like Dosto just as much as anyone else, but I swear that good things would happen if people would read The Pickwick Papers as much as they read Crime And Punishment.
>>24720925>reading white nights and then invoking Dosto's nameThis is the same as reading The Old Man and the Sea and bragging about being a Hemingway fan
>>24722142S m h becomes baka, it's so cringe.
>>24723194Well, it is no surprise that novellas will become more viral than doorstoppers.
>>24723202The problem isn't with the length of the book, but its content. One can read Death of Ivan Ilych in 2 hours and have a very good understanding of Tolstoy's philosophy. You can't do the same without context by only reading White Nights. It's Dosto at his most satirical, written exclusively from the highly biased perspective of a loser. It's no wonder zoomies believe it to be a love story.
>>24720925I think it's good that Zoomers are getting into Dostoevsky now. I don't understand why you people are getting so upset over it. You read because you love literature, right? Not for some silly reason like feeling better than other people?
>>24723239I have lost the ability to differentiate between ragebait and sincere anger. And that makes me angry lolBut I agree. People reading is good. I really dont care what they read.
>>24722023Do you think these they/them libtard goblins are truly transformed by reading Dostoevsky correctly
>>24722023Start at the end?
>>24720925Because He, (Jesus Christ) is Lord, and this is providential.
>>24720925his stories are entertaining meditations on the human psyche. What's not to love?
>>24721065>are about tobuddy they did that a long time ago
>>24722142>>24722176Hi, Welcome to 4chan. Just so you know they're called word filters. both onions and basedboy were implemented around 2018 or 2019 iirc, before the sharty was a thing. S°yboy was being used everywhere, so it was changed to basedboy, and there were /for/ memes about raising testosterone by eating raw red onions or raw garlic every day. I hope I was informative and that you enjoy your stay!-anon
It's Russian post-rational soft power. I unironically think it's a Russian psyop
>>24721561So I'm supposed to leave for 3 years and come back rich and seduce her sister-in-law to break her heart and then become insane when she dies??
>>24720925I was told white nights was an incel story? is it not? why do zoomer girls like it?
>>24720925Everyone is giving meme answers but the truth of the matter is that Dostoevsky's ideas have become culturally relevant within the current zeitgeist. Everyone subconsciously knows this, and some people in this thread are acting out because it took structural and cultural forces to make youths read again rather than a genuine love for the arts
Crime and Punishment is a good read, but The Brothers Karamazov is just awful.
>>24720925the matcha of litterature
>>24725100what?
>>24720925those penguin books are £1 maybe £2 on amazon. little money to pretend you are in whatever group does this
>>24722142Jannies can eat my shit. I get around their filters easy. S-0_y is a jannies favourite drink, right next to aboriginal cum.
Kek, lit's obsession has now hit the mainstream and now they all have to pretend to have never been obsessed in the first place
>>24720925Dosto's an alright lad. A bit preachy a drawn out.. But I really do appreciate The idiot as well as Notes from the underground. There are good things to be said about crime and punishment (the horse dream is absolutely horrendous) as well as his other works.. but ultimately I feel he's a bit too much of a christian apoligetic whose ultimately quite boring.
>>24722142Go back, newnigger.
>>24725592I agree. As I have said earlier in this thread, I am waiting for the youth to rediscover Dickens. I think it would be better for them, and Dickens needs some love.
Ikr? Who tf gets into Dosto in their teenage years and early twenties LOL! That's outrageous!
>>24720925Poor and middle class people trying to act cultured and high class across mediums.It's why the whole stealth wealth trend popped up in fashion where people where buying loro piana and brunello cucinelli look a likes, everyone is suddenly superfans of kubrick and tarkovsky etc.Philosophy, economics, politics and the esoteric occult are still mostly off limits because retarded brains cant even larp process it
