If a superintelligence could perfectly predict all of our future actions based on all prior causes, would that prove that free will is an illusion?
>>24721045Free will is an illusion. My personhood is entirely shaped by events and processes outside my control.
>>24721049Are you for real
>>24721045It just proves you can make a tail wag the dog. The wake of a ship can only be so many places in relation to the prow. That doesn't mean the ship is impossible to pilot. Same with free will and determinism.
>>24721045There's no proof for causality btw
>>24721071There is a lot of proofs
>>24721081A happening after B doesn't proove A is caused by B
>>24721092Just because event A happens after event B, it doesn't mean that B caused A
>>24721098Thanks for reiterating my claim on unverifiable nature of causality.
>>24721045That superintelligence, if it were bound to our reality and universe, would itself have to predict all of its own future actions, and the future actions of the predictions of those future actions, and so on, ad infinitum. Given the universe has a finite amount of energy for anything, let alone computation, this regress is impossible. The only way around this is a superintelligence unbounded by energy and matter, space and time, i.e. an actually transcendent God.
>>24721045>If a superintelligence could perfectly predict all of our future actions based on all prior causes, would that prove that free will is an illusion?Time to go read Calvinist theology.
>>24721193>would itself have to predict all of its own future actionsWhy? OP's thought experiment doesn't give it this level of predictive power.
>>24721045No you idiot. If you sincerely believe free will to be a fiction, stop engaging in creative art. Put down the pen and get a job so you can retire at 90.
>free will exist>i need to gather recourses to survive>pale blue dot.gif>free will dosent exist>i still need to gather resources to survive >pale blue dot.gif
>>24721712people think the average joe is retardedbut this is like the same concept as isomorphic objects in mathematics: any way you interact with it it's the same, then it doesn't really matter that they are different
>>24721045>ifI'm guessing you're a christcuck but how retarded you are, so you already have to grapple with this moral dilemma. >all knowing and ever present god>creates you and instantly knows every action you will take at conception You are like a character in a book and god is the author. You still totally have the ability to "will" things yourself. You still will be "judged" for things "you did". lel.
>>24721712>>24721801>DUDE IT LIKE DOESNT EVEN MATTER I STILL GOTTA WAGEKEKShut the fuck up you literal NPC. It absolutely matters. No free will = a collapse of morality, accountability, ethics, etc. It's basically just total nihilism + will to power if you deny it. Our society is built upon the idea that it exists.>the reason for inequality is people aren't free willing hard enough>we are rational agents who can pull ourselves up by our bootstraps >YOU can be anything YOU WANT to be. Yes, even the 80 IQ, dysgenic, incest baby can be a rocket scientist if he works hard enough!>bad people get punished for being bad because they could have willed themselves to not do bad thing
>>24721841>No free will = a collapse of morality, accountability, ethics, etc. It's basically just total nihilism + will to power if you deny it. Our society is built upon the idea that it exists.Not true, it's a false premise. You can't even define consciousness, and however deterministic or not the world is, you still gotta decide among the plethora of decisions you have. You're retarded and emotional about this eternal nothingburger
>>24721841you need determinism to exist because youre a gay incel loser whos never even kissed a girl. you need it to to be the universes fault instead of taking accountability. your ego is simply protecting you from how much of a pathetic fag you are.
>>24721045Well yeah, but that's a giant if. I suppose a sentient meatball would also be real if one popped into existence. This is a seriously retarded and self-evident question OP.
>>24721045I would simply go mad so your gay little computer couldn't predict what I was going to do.
>>24721625How's that? Free will has nothing to do with how we act, because we exist within reality.
Stop spamming this. Chaos theory demonstrates future states are unknowable because it's not possible to identify all prior causes, just the largest ones.
>>24721603OK, suppose the superintelligence were to perfectly predict all future human actions based on all prior causes. given again that energy is finite for the universe as a closed system, then all such predictions would have to predict all energy requirements for all such actions, and all leftover energy to do work, meaning it would have to predict its own energy restrictions for calculation, and predictions of those predictions, ad infinitum. we get another impossible regress like before.
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>>24722993Also, the compute power to model all of reality to reality's resolution is impossible to build within said reality. We're limited by the structure we inhabit; to simulate all of reality, you need a system at least as complex as it.
>>24721092>>24721098>>24721105A hypothetical B happening after a hypothetical A does not mean that a hypothetical B happened because of a hypothetical A.
