>life fundamentally sucks and people who say otherwise are either retards or pretentious retards
erm, SOURCE?
>>24721057Maybe your life sucks
>>24721066How so? What's so bad about losing a limb/relative/friend/child/etc., never knowing "delight," being raped/tortured/bullied/hated/humiliated/angry/upset/dissatisfied/etc.?
>>24721057Werther is literally me but I'm not going to kill myself
>>24721269Also me but I'm balding and probably will eventually kill myself when despair overtakes my fear of death. Might take a lot of people out with me just for the hell of it.
>>24721276Have you tried fin
>>24721295Yeah. Mind fog and no beard ever. Think I'll try nitroglycerin next
>>24721436fin+min+drpen
I don't get why anyone outside of sentient thirdies and people with chronic diseases want to kill themselves. Just seems a bit boring to cut off all experiences like that.
>>24721057I believe life is meaningless and it sucksTherefore its better to not liveI should kill myselfBut I won’t do itSo I don’t really believe that.
>>24721452Maybe you just haven't suffered enough. I mean, think. Everyone has some breaking point, but not necessarily the same one. If you were to somehow reach it, then despair will follow. The potential is already within you.
>>24721452All of my experiences are negative and I'd rather be without them.
>>24721057Candide and Justine did that much better. This one is just "nooo I'm a rich incel that can't be with stacy abloo abloo"
I'm fundamentally having a pretty good time.
the point of life is to discover god before it's too late for you/thread
I’ve loved and lots and have loved and been betrayed, which is a lot worse. But I was never cheated on which is probably even worse. I don’t think any of those makes life suck. If death or oblivion is the default, then at the very very worst, life is a dream. I guess it could be a bad dream but even then, it can’t be that bad
>>24721763Christfags are so tiresome. Why can't you cope with existence without lying to yourself?
>>24721786OP, if you hate life so much off yourself already instead of using this shitty bait thread as an excuse to stay alive.
>>24721799>kill yourself for not accepting my pretentious retard cope
>>24721656>This one is just "nooo I'm a rich incel that can't be with stacy abloo abloo"Yeah but it was a massive hit and caused copycat suicides
>>24721057Your life sucks because you want it to suck OP, nobody forces you to act like a reddit nerd and call people retarded, that's a choice you made.
No, 'life' sucks because you've alienated yourself from it, and from nature.Hail Odin, glory to the fallen
The glory of Him who moveth everything Doth penetrate the universe, and shine In one part more and in another less.
>>24721567>Maybe you just haven't suffered enoughHow did Werther suffer? lmao
>>24721057Part of the point of writing fiction instead of philosophy books is to explore how life appears to certain types of guy in certain types of milieu, not to make claims about the essential nature of life.
>>24722449He got cucked
>>24721445You people are like robots. Shouldn't even have human rights
>>24722449The point is that he suffered enough. Ask yourself first, have you gone through all the things he did? If yes, then refer to my last post; you simply have not reached your breaking point, but when/if you do, you will be revealed for the fraud you are. This is just an ironbound law of the universe.
>>24722302You cannot physically alienate yourself from nature. People who say this are braindead retards who do not know what "nature" means. They alao typically say this while they do absolutely nothing with their meaningless lives but go to work and play video games and if they actually were to be transported into, say, some hunter gatherer setting, they would most definitely go insane or die.
>>24721057After reading Goethe I realize that I despise him. The sorrows of you Werther was the most pathetic simp tale of all time and there really was nothing redeemable about it. Faust was fucking trash too. Sure the devil and the setup for the book is pretty damn great. But Faust is a fucking asshole and it is proably a better play than a book. >new scene>introduce a million new characters>next scene>introduce a million more
>>24721057But in that novel, life is fundamentally vibrant and epic until you get cucked. Has OP even read it?
>>24722558The author is putting in a lot of ideas, so how is it a better play rather than a book?>million new charactersLike characters from Greek tragedy?
>>24721057KWAB; the Novel
>>24722572The point being that all that vibrancy is based on an incredibly shaky and fragile foundation of pleasure and freedom from pain. Once pain washes away the foundation, the illusion crumbles and you realize that you are a fraud.
>>24722575Aye aye, that's one of the scenarios. But Walpurgis night is an even worse offender in terms of just tossing a bunch of characters on to the stage and just going rapid fire dialogue without really characterizing these voices. Sure we can jerk off over being familiar with the greeks. But as a stand alone work it is fucking silly to claim prerequisite knowledge requirements being something good. As a standalone work it lessens it substantially. The bible is also somewhat of a prerequisite. So yeah I think Goethe is shit and gets most praise from dull people who think reading should be a linear study of the western canon.
>>24722580KWAB; the poster.
>>24722590Goethe's the epitome of intellectual ADD, but that's kind of the point of the play I think. Faust goes around trying all kind of different stuff to find fullfilment whether that's business, war, power, fame, hedonism, etc. When Faust and Helen have a son Euphorion (who has ADHD) who was kind of like the symbol of Weimar Classicism which was a movement where Germans thrived to synthesized greek (confidence and self restraint) and german art (love for the infinity, the unknown, caspar david friedrich paintings). Faust tried to find his happiness in art/beauty/poetry but learns a fatal lesson: these things can't give lasting happiness; beauty will wane (helen literally vanishes in his arms) and while art/poetry can make us (in this case also literally) ascend in other sphere for a moment, it will only be able to shine for a short period of time before ultimately making us crash back into the world (the Icarus parallel).
>>24722538he tried to go for a betrothed woman. His own fault.>>24722543Did Werther suffer anything besides not getting his oneitis?
>>24722583>Once pain washes away the foundation, the illusion crumbles and you realize that you are a fraud.At which point a genuine life begins. Anyone who does not shoot himself over his oneitis will recognize this. Werther is a pussy not because he got cucked but because he killed himself over her.
>>24721803Yes.
>>24721057trvth nvke
>>24721119Rape should be considered a compliment.
>>24722715>Did Werther suffer anything besides not getting his oneitis?That was his breaking point. Yours may be different, but is nevertheless there. Waiting.>>24722720Then that would not be your breaking point. The point is that you are always a fraud until you realize that life fundamentally sucks and all your love of it is the product of mindless, fleeting pleasure.
>>24721763we said /thread you fags
>>24723460Ooh lookee here I‘m continuing to post in the thread
>>24723460You cannot /thread your own post. You just end up sounding like an idiot. Someone else has to reply to your post and do it for you
People seem to be missing the fact that Goethe wrote the book specifically to rid himself of his morbid sentimentality by transmuting it into well-wrought art.
Life is basically fine, you're just a massive pussy.
>>24723570Given certain circumstances, you, too, would turn into "a massive pussy"
>>24723570>turns into a blubbering mess the momment someone rips his precious genitals from his groin
>>24723246>The point is that you are always a fraud until you realize that life fundamentally sucksExcept you yourself are using a moment of absolute lows to base the idea that all of life is bad.Life has ups and downs for most people and obviously some people have far less of one or the other it isn't true that all of life is bad just as you can't say all of life is good.
>>24721057Guess i'm reading this next
>>24721763You can't /thread yourself faggot.>>24721057Guess I'm retarded then, thanks for clearing that up for me anon.
>>24723648>Except you yourself are using a moment of absolute lows to base the idea that all of life is bad.Not only that, but to come to the conclusion that prior to those lows, I had been nothing more than a fraud blissfully unaware of the shit life had in store. You just haven't experienced the right kind of down or series of downs to realize this. The kind of persistent downs that cast new light on everything and tie loose ends together, showing life to be nothing but an absurd magic show feigning mystery. And all knowledge is based on experience.
>>24721066I think all life "sucks". No matter how coddled or successful you are, it still ends in tragedy. The human spirit aspires to much more than is allotted.
>>24721276Convert to Judaism first.
You didn't say by what metric it "sucks" because you're working from a hidden premise that's not consistent with how you act so you don't actually adhere to it despite using it unconsciously as a premise for all thought.Life is a tragedy but humans love tragedies. Even comedy is a subset of tragedy, the smile is a version of the ape fear grimace.
>>24724924>You didn't say by what metric it "sucks" because you're working from a hidden premise that's not consistent with how you act so you don't actually adhere to it despite using it unconsciously as a premise for all thought.This is just meaningless drivel to me.
>>24725086Because you're not really conscious. Your mental development is on the level of a pre-Hellenic tribesman without the tools to formalize his instincts and actions, like an animal.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1lL-hXO27Q
>>24725216What hidden premise do i unconsciously adhere to and how do you know of its existence with 100% certainty?
>>24725240The video explains it. In normal speech our statements don't include the premises we believe are already understood even though the statement means nothing without an understanding of that context. This precedent creates room for statements like yours where you're not aware yourself of the premises you're resting your statement on. If you do then simply elaborate, formalize the thought process and give the reasons you believe what you believe and what foundational beliefs it's all grounded on.
a mentally ill girl recommended it to me and I didn't read it on that basis.
>>24721057Life contains suffering but is not suffering. Life is, and it has ups and downs and you should accept the totality of existence and not take it personally while also striving to do better personally. Your boomer dad who seemed out of touch with reality does have some nuggets of real life wisdom :-)
>>24725857Do better for what? All you have you will lose. All you do will be forgotten.
>>24725883Do better for yourself. Life ends, but it hasn’t ended yet and I possibly have decades of my life left so I will choose to live them as happily as possible.
>>24721567>Maybe you just haven't suffered enough. I mean, think. Everyone has some breaking pointMan was created free to fall, but sufficient enough to stand. Just because there is potential does not mean there is certainty. Personally, bad things happening excite me, but that's probably just a character flaw.
>>24725904When you are happy, remember that it is temporary and your happiness will be relegated to memory then to oblivion.
>>24725918As will sadness and pain.
>>24725927I don't want it all to end.
>>24725918Who told you happiness was the meaning of life? Fruit Loops commercials and saturday-morning cartoons? Do away with that psyop and do something with your life at once. I realize not being the center of the universe is giving you a mortal narcissistic injury, but you have to grow up
>>24725941Wherever you do or not is irrelevant.
>>24725934But it will, but that doesn’t mean that it’s pointless to enjoy life. You’re here right now. Just don’t be in a rush and “see a world in a grain of sand and heaven in a wild flower” as William Blake puts it. I wish you the best the life anon, it’s not fair but I do promise life can be great still.
>>24721452I was going to disagree but then I remembered I actually do have a chronic illness :/
>>24725947True statement that pierces through the cultural irrationality to the real heart of atheism. Only within a theological metaphysical framework can meaning exist, understood as the free and willing obedience to God.
>>24723246What if I just read Hegel and become God?Kinda defeated your "everything is meaningless" once Ive summited those heights.
>>24721452n a world with destroyed families, traditions, heritages and destroyed needs, the last thing you can destroy with some semblance of meaning and dignity is yourself.
>born>enjoy some free time >turn 5>great, now spend most of your life in school>great, now time for work too>great, now time for college>great, now time for real work>great, now add family on top it>retire at age 70>dieAdmit it, the administrators and merchants ruined society. It's the reason birth rates are in a freefall and everyone is miserable. The embers of the human spirit has been smothered with processes and rigidity. Also black people.
>>24726126Do all the people here pick careers and marry women they despise?
>>24726257People choose money. The amount you make is generally proportional to how shitty the work is. In the USA, money drives everything since there isn't a safety net if you fail.
>>24725916Fall? Fall on what? Stand? Stand on what?
>>24725434You are a schizo. Won't learn anything from you. Learned to never have compassion for your kind. Or anyone, not like they deserve to breathe.
>>24726497Organizing and formalizing your thought process is the opposite of schizophrenia. You're just dumb, which is fine.
>>24726647Your silly video does not explain anything. Again, what is my hidden premise and how do you know it is unconscious?
>>24726647The sooner you realize that no opinion in this world actually needs to have any foundation, the better. The metric can be just about anything and nobody is vontrained to act in a way that is "consistent", not a single person on this earth is consistent like so. You may benefit from learning what "fundamentally" means. It means that I can describe life, how it works, what it contains, and then say with confidence that "this sucks", meaning, the entire thing is inherently sucky. It is its own metric, in a sense.
>>24725965>but that doesn’t mean that it’s pointless to enjoy life.You still haven't explained how it is meaningful. Just because you are happy, doesn't mean that you aren't just numbed by pleasure in a way that makes you blind to the real sordidness of life. All it actually takes is a single chimp to ambush you and rip your genitals off for you to fall into something like despair. People who fail to realize this are just unconscious retards.>>24725996There is no reason to submit to the whims of a being who creates such a worthless realm.>>24725857You do not actually accept the totality of existence. In fact, I'd wager that you find many things wrong and bad in the world, that you are upset because it isn't doing exactly what you want it to do.
