I was worried about starting this book because the author is a jew and unable to give a unbiased report because of its jewish nature but chatgbt ensured me that this jew was actually super honest and "basically saved Nietzsche reputation in the west". well, im 60 pages in and the author is making Nietzsche come across as a incel with daddy problems who also wanted to fuck his mother.Why are they like this?
>>24723075Nichie was very famously pro-semite
>>24723075why do you bother reading if the right wing egregore already told you what to think on everything?
>>24723075>IT DA JOO IT DA JOOIgnoring your sperging, chatGPT is right. Kaufmann rehabilitated Nietzsche post-WWII by casting him as a proto-existentialist. Heavily emphasizes Nietzsche's psychology, especially overcoming/the drives. It's been superseded by more recent scholarship but it's a fine place to start if you haven't read Nietzsche scholarship before
>>24723075If you've read the notes in his translations it is obvious Kaufmann was intellectually enamored with Nietzsche and is portraying him in a very generous light.>Nietzsche cones across as an incel with daddy problemsSay it ain't true??? The only thing that differentiates Nietzsche from a proper incel is that he never went into actual women hate. His misogyny was limited to philosophical rants while in real life he kept many female friends and was notably one of the professors voting to allow the first woman applicant to the university of Basel.His beloved father was a Lutheran minister who died when he was five so "daddy issues" is hardly a stretch>Wanted to fuck his motherOh yeah that's super Jewish.
>>24723196>Nichie was very famously pro-semite
>>24723359>I've seen proof, black on white, that Herr Dr. Förster [FN's sister's husband] has not yet severed his connection with the anti-Semitic movement. … Since then I've had difficulty coming up with any of the tenderness and protectiveness I've so long felt toward you [FN's sister]. The separation between us is thereby decided in really the most absurd way. Have you grasped nothing of the reason why I am in the world? … Now it has gone so far that I have to defend myself hand and foot against people who confuse me with these anti-Semitic canaille; after my own sister, my former sister, and after Widemann more recently have given the impetus to this most dire of all confusions. After I read the name Zarathustra in the anti-Semitic Correspondence my forbearance came to an end. I am now in a position of emergency defense against your spouse's Party. These accursed anti-Semite deformities shall not sully my ideal!!
Nietzsche was both philosemite and islamophile, I wonder what would be his stance on Gaza?
>>24723196>Nichie was veryinconsistent. You can find antisemetic quotes as well.
>>24723196He praised their ingenuity and really had nothing against them as a whole. He remarked positively on their cosmopolitanism and thought antisemitism was silly. Wouldn’t say he loved or hated them. He critiqued the slave morality, but in that vein Christianity is the same thing. Nazis never understood Neetch.
>>24723359One thing that always bothers me is how nazis and antisemites almost always have knowledge of bizare aspects of interracial cuckold fetishes. Probably because they masturbate to them
>>24723236I wonder if you‘re covertly trying to prove that jew skepticism is valid by demonstrating that Nietzsche has been deliberately recast with selective emphasis for a post-WWII world by jews.
>>24723075Nietzche is the most jewish author you can imagine. Hated Germans, went on about ubernmench and being beyond all the filthy goyim, basically zionism: the author
>>24723374Israel uses their establishment and war on Gaza as a means of reactive moral necessity due to historical trauma, they’re doing nothing great or inventive they’re just barbarians. Nietzsche probably wouldn’t like this.
>>24723354I hate how the term incel is thrown around so easily. Nietszche had female connections and was somewhat respected. Even thought he was not the most "galant" out there anyone who says he is an incel is trying to push a biased, modernized point of view on people who would 100% hate today's world. I dislike Nietszche because of his hate against Christianity and somewhat bizarre teachings, but I also like some of his lessons like the Hero who kills monsters has to look after not becoming one.
>>24723075Nietszche was a massive pro-Semite. He wrote that the jews were the master race controlling morality, and heavily insulted anyone who dared criticize them. His final letters, the Wahnzettel, all were about abolishing antisemitism lmao. Also yeah he was a total incel loser, he was a simp for a chick named Salome to the point he asked her to marry him thrice in the span of a few months despite not having known her before, then when she left him he blamed it all on his sister and went into a deep depression he never left. Though there's also rumors he was a fag on the side>>24723453He literally said they were the superior moral race and sperged out about antisemites, he was 100% a bootlicker for jews. He was also a freemason (jewish institution), hated christianitty while defending islam and judaism and every other religion, his ubermensch bullshit is straight out of Crowley occultism/satanism... Really the only reason he's seen as le heckin' based is because his sister changed his writings to be "ultranationalist", and even then there's a chance his sister was also a mason and did it to push his proto-marxist ideals onto idiots who had started getting into pseudo-nationalist ideologies like nazism
>>24724317>was somewhat respectedNo he wasn't. Maybe during his early years at the University of Basel but he got there through nepotism (his good pal Ritschl gave him an honorary doctorate that allowed him to teach despite not even having finished college himself, nor having a teaching degree) and he only had "friends" inside the progressive sphere full of marxists and hedonists. After his time during the Franco-Prussian War he became a total loner hooked on opiates and other heavy drugs. Basically nobody except three or four people gave a shit about himHe hated Christianity because he was taught to during his years in his "private school", AKA freemason academy. Ironically the so-called "slave religion" would have saved his ass from dying of syphilis due to going to male brothels. His other bizarre teachings come from him losing his marbles. And the hero who kills monsters stuff is a common thing that's been known forever, he isn't original for bringing it up
>>24724771Imma be honest if what you are sayimg is true then he was one of the most overrated people ever. But to pass the check, what were some stupid philosophical things he said? I mean, do his ideas hold up?
>>24724771Wagner, famous Marxist hedonist
>>24724791Well his main idea is basically that the masses are idiots who are enslaved by petty morality while there are "great men" who overcome morality, AKA le Übermensch. These men control everything and are "above good and evil", meaning that it doesn't matter what they do, it's the norm. This is because Nietszche genuinely believed that goals aren't important, the will to achieve them is, AKA a guy who dedicates his life to doing horrific crimes is better than a guy who donates every Sunday to his local church. He hated Christianity because he had deluded himself into thinking Christ was an Übermensch, but that people weren't following him because they were being "too judgemental when he didn't judge" which is textbook New Age Christ guru myth bullshit. He was A-OK with all other religions, adored Islam and Judaism and thought Buddhism was great for thought. He also believed that truth didn't exist (AKA he was a postmodernist in essence) and that reality was fluid and dependent on what you believe in, and that the universe was constantly recurring and you'd live your life over and over again. TLDR he was a hedonist justifying his issues with shitty philosophy, and yes he's overrated as fuck>>24724821Wagner was only "friends" with Nietzsche for a short time when they weren't aware of his actual beliefs. Wagner split from Nietzsche later on, and not only did he seriously dislike his philosophical views but he also mocked his shitty music. Nietzsche on the other hand wrote numerous comments and works on how Wagner was a racist antisemite who should be arrested, including The Case of Wagner and Nietzsche contra Wagner.
>>24724771>>24724831Probably the dumbest description of Nietzsche's thought ever written
>>24724771You’re full of shit. He died from a degenerative disease that his father also had or a brain tumor.
>>24724831The whole Übersmensch theory about morality is textbook sociopathy. Thinking that some people are just above everyone else and shouldn't use morality is something a sociopath would say or think internally. If we say for example that X president is a Übersmensch then he would probably be like Stalin or Hitler. I personally like Machiavelli's "The end justify the means" but most people who have that mentality are retarded or evil. I personally think the ends justify the means/pushing morality aside should be when you are going to kill an evil person, but even so that could be a type of morality.
>>24724835>He died from a degenerative disease that his father also had or a brain tumorRevisionist bullshit. There is no proof about this and it's a theory thought up by retarded Nietzscheans who didn't want to admit their glorious idol who went around preaching about imposing his will above others died because he fucked some hooker and got an STD kek.
>>24724837It originates from judaism, it's what rabbis follow. That's why other jews have their own interpretations, such as Rand with Objectivism. All of them are based on the psychopathic idea that morality is below them and that they should just be able to do whatever they want because they can. Of course with Nietzsche it shows that his horrendous decision-making led to his death, be it the syphilis or the drug taking which amplified his mental illnesses tenfold and made him unable to even write by his thirties. And this guy actually thought he could change society through his will lmao
>>24724841The best thing about Nietzsche is that his philosophy is good for fictional works. Like 2001 by Stanley Kubrick.And also, the rhing you mentioned is textbook sociopathy. As much as I dislike morality today and in fact I have even thought it was useless, morality is eay more than just being good. And the lack of morality of people in power is what is killing society.
>>24724831You’re retarded, please stop posting things you know nothing about. Being “beyond good and evil” has nothing to do with being amoral, it just means rejecting binaries that were handed to you and creating values from strength and vitality. Most people just live in the value systems handed down to them without asking if they’re life affirming. i.e. being poor is good, being rich is bad, self denial/drive suppression being some kind of virtue, glorifying meekness, pity as the highest compassion, guilt and sin as default human condition.. Buddhism and eastern religion gets criticized for being life-denying as well (Judaism isn’t far from Christianity either), he argued truth is human interpretation and perspective instead of something that is objectively out there. He opposed hedonism as well by valuing struggle, and suffering for growth.
>>24724838There’s literally no proof for syphilis, but his father did croak of the same thing we know.
>>24723639How do you know? Are you one of them?
>>24724853>He opposed hedonism as well by valuing struggle, and suffering for growth.I mean how can you oppose hedonism while consuming drugs??
>>24723236Hitler was more inspired by Schopenhauer anyways
>>24724853"Life affirming" can mean anything. This is what I said, to Nietzsche the morality is irrelevant, only the will to do it is important. Life affirming just means what you think benefits your life which is passing judgment on morality purely by yourselfTruth being human interpretation and perspective is the definition of postmodernism, subjectivism and the like. And again, since he didn't have a moral base to center his standards around, "suffering" and "struggle" could mean anything. He probably thought taking all those opiates was "growing through struggle" lol>>24724855Except for the medical records that say he literally died of syphilis. Also his father dying of a tumor is not proven. His family members said in letters he fell down the stairs, got a concussion and died there
>>24724861But there was nothing like Schopenhauer's philosophy in his politics. If he was truly inspired by him then it must be that he twisted it beyond recognizition or that it was a butterfly effect.
>>24724862One of the philosophies I hate the most is subjectivism because of how mishandled it is. Because subjectivism is way closer to human standards than objectivism and also helps a lot to understand opinions but there has been the extremely bullshitted push of ideas like that all is subjective whicu is only pushed to justify people doing bad shit and crumbles down when you ask them about crimes like rape.
>>24724859Are you stupid? Are you a hedonist for taking drugs when you’re sick? >>24724862There’s no evidence or conclusive records to say he died of syphilis and it was never confirmed as that by his primary physician. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
>>24724872>Are you stupid? Are you a hedonist for taking drugs when you’re sick?I mean bad drugs not medicine man. How do you justify consuming opium
>>24724868>subjectivism is way closer to human standards than objectivism No it isn't, unless you mean modern standards then yes.>>24724872>Are you a hedonist for taking drugs when you’re sick? Uh anon, there is a difference between taking Tylenol and taking opiates, chloral hydrate and other heavy drugs. He also did a lot of them recreationally>There’s no evidence or conclusive records to say he died of syphilisThe records of his stay in the Turin clinic literally say he had neurosyphilis. But sure, I'll trust some randos who say that Nietzsche had a brain tumor through hereditary disease, a stupid idea based on an already not conclusive theory that Nietzsche's father died of the same thing when other sources say he tripped, fell, got a concussion and that was what got him in the end. And it totally isn't because Nietzscheans are ashamed to admit their leader was a junkie and a deviant, no siree. So much for beyond good and evil
>>24724878It was one of the most commonly prescribed painkillers and sedatives then. See how moral status of something changes over time? Societal stance shifted, normal in one era immoral in another.
>>24723374I think Nietzsche would really like Netanyahu’s blatant Machiavellianism and the IDF as a youth militarisation rite of passage but he’d be less fond of Zionism as a nation building project. Though he’s probably prefer Israel to Palestine.
>>24724881Yeah Nietzsche should have just went to his local drug store and picked up some Tylenol.
>>24724887The point is that opium is addictive. Tylenol isn't. Nietzsche didn't just do it for the pain, he was addicted as a result of using an addictive drug. And he probably saw it as "life affirming" anyways so it's better than not using it
>>24724858How do I know what?
>>24724889See>>24724883
>>24724881He had lifelong issues that began in his teens which is too early for syphilis to develop, not only is there no direct evidence it doesn’t really make sense when put under inspection.
>>24724896He had other illnesses that weren't just syphilis, yes. He died of syphilis but he had issues before that. He also got dysentery when he was an orderly in the war
>>24724881What I tried to say about subjectivism is that is that "everything" is "subjective." (Not the way you think)When you say your opinion is objective because x thing is bad, you are also saying that you dislike that x thing. And don't get me wrong, I am a 100% objectivist or at least I try to be but I feel like a lot of people take objectivism as subjectivism and vice versa.
>>24723359Whoever made this has never been on /v/ tendies absolutely fucking hate decktards>T. /v/ermin
