Has anyone ever written about similarities between contemporary leftist narratives on "white supremacy" and Hutu narratives regarding the Tutsis? Anyone had the slightest idea? Just me?
I mean, they're both about one group seething at their supposed racial oppressors. I don't know if there's much more to read into it.
>>24728099Surely somebody can write about it? Can you imagine the roaring scandal? Comparing modern leftist/feminist/critical theory to the rhetoric that preceeded a genocide?
Nope. Just you.
>>24728203>roaring scandalInane comparisons between victim narratives have been the norm for all facets of political discourse for a while. Where have you been this whole time?
>>24728052>Hutu narratives regarding the Tutsis?If you read some alternative histories you'll find that the the conflict was more complicated than you thought.
>>24728227What's inane about the comparison?
>>24728203A black guy goes on TV and says that Starbucks is racist and you're quivering in your shoes, lmao such a pussy
>>24728285You’re asking why “erm actually you guys are the genocidal ones” is inane? You’re just flipping that same rhetoric back onto them.
>>24728294I'm not OP but in lefty spaces white people and "whiteness" are often presented as a societal evil or detriment and the sooner a white majority in any country becomes a thing of the past the better. The is objectively true. So what's inane about drawing a parallel between this and the dehumanization that led to a different genocide?
>>24728315nta but this is retarded, the dehumanization that led to the rwandan genocide was the government going on the radio and saying shit like "your neighbor is a cockroach who you must hack to death with your machete do it DO IT NOW," not hutu activists with blue hair posting tiktoks where they say "um ackshually? the mud hut industry? is racist against hutus? and that's PROBLEMATIC" kek. I think you're very upset about being told you're a monster, which fair, but you're so upset it's making you retarded
>>24728323So there was no intermediate step?
>>24728315It’s two retards yelling “I know what you are but what am I.” You can replace the Rwandan genocide with the holocaust or holodomor, it’s a victim Olympics. Anyone resorting to that level of comparison is either a child or retard who confuses facile pattern recognition for insight.
>>24728290I am more interested in the leftist/critical theory narratives of "systemic white supremacy" and "whiteness" and how they might compare with the Hutu narrative of the Tutsis. The Tutsis actually shared a similar historic background to white americans and were considered to be unjustly privileged even after rwanda became independent and effectively controlled by Hutus.>>24728294I'm not saying that. I am merely making a comparison in narratives. The Hutus saw the Tutsis as being priveleged oppressors whose extremist faction, the RPF was just itching to come over the northern border to reenslave the poor Hutus. But everything was framed in terms of Hutu liberation, considering that they as a group used to suffer from oppression in the past.
>>24728338So it's not dehumanizing because why? Try to stick to the topic at hand without getting emotional
>>24728323>the dehumanization that led to the rwandan genocide was the government going on the radio and saying shit like "your neighbor is a cockroach who you must hack to death with your machete do it DO IT NOW,"That was only the final step. You ignore the one's leading up to it. People generally do not just wake up and say "today I will murder an entire people." They genuinely were justifying their hate and resentment in terms of oppression and liberation. The RPF was often considered to be proof that the Tutsis had not changed and were working to try and reestablish Tutsi supremacy.
>>24728345Where in that post did I say it wasn’t dehumanizing? You’re an ESL poorly pushing an agenda, saaar.
>>24728338It's not. I don't think there's a whole lot to compare with the holocaust. Much less the holodomor. Rwanda is special because the history is alsp similar. The Tutsis, generally, were a privileged class propped up by the belgians. The Hutus, generally, were oppressed, like blacks in America. This lead to a narrative of oppression and violent liberation ideology that is not too dissimilar from leftist narratives regarding "whiteness"More research may be needed, of course. I should delve into the events leading up to the genocide.
>>24728356Does dehumanization precede genocide?
>>24728356What agenda do you think he's pushing? And why do you call him an indian?
>>24728203>Can you imagine the roaring scandal if someone said leftists are the real racists?Such a scenario truly taxes the limits of imagination.
>>24728360Again, you’re confusing who you’re arguing with. ESLs should be banned before trying to engage in more than one discussion. Nothing in my post implied dehumanization wasn’t a part of genocide….you need to learn how to read.
>>24728366So the comparison then is inane why?
>>24728370>So the comparison then is inane why?Why not just ask “Why is the comparison inane?”It’s like you monkeys can’t help yourselves. And that’s already been answered in this thread, my ESL friend. Learn how to follow a thread.
>>24728332>>24728352Of course there were intermediate steps, but my point is that we're nowhere remotely near the fever pitch necessary to make the Rwandan genocide comparison actually hold. Like, nowhere remotely near at all. "White people bad" and "Hutus bad" are not equivalent in tone/historical context, it's just two groups of people saying another group is bad. "white people racist" doesn't work, nor does "racism is everywhere," nor does "the US was built on systematic racism." Still way too early to be comparable. Also, none of these are dehumanizing except in a very distant, metaphorical, and honestly hysterical sense. What OP's trying to do just doesn't hold water at all, makes me think he knows basically nothing about the Rwandan genocide other than 'that's when there was dehumanization in the media right'
>>24728372Why not just answer “Why is the comparison inane?
>>24728382Scroll up and you’ll see multiple people answering that exact question. I know it’s already difficult for you to understand object permanence, but those answers are still there. Just scroll up.
>>24728052If you put the average verminous subversive demonic shitlib against a wall and told them you would blow their brains out if they could not tell you three facts about the Tutsi, Hutu, Rwandan genocide, or the broader conflict it took place in, they’d die right there.Also when leftists say “muh white supremacy” they are just making up a rationalization to steal from and kill the superior and productive out of greed and envy.
>>24728395Every shitlib has seen Hotel Rwanda with Don Cheadle. Anyone who thinks it’s obscure or unknown didn’t pay attention in high school.
>>24728404>Anyone who thinks it’s obscure or unknown didn’t pay attention in high schoolnta and idgaf about this thread but why are anons on the right like this? They seem to think that the average high school curriculum is secret hidden knowledge that's kept from the sheeple or something. It's just broadcasting their retardation
>>24728420They all think they’re Indiana Alex Jones, digging up artifacts of TRVTH to redpill the masses. It’s easier to cling to a delusion of self-grandeur than admit retardation.This is also why they needed Jordan Peterson to tell them to clean their rooms. They’re learning the basics.
>>24728376Saying white people are inherently racist and that racism is inherently evil isn't dehumanizing enough towards white people to matter?>>24728385You didn't answer, you just expressed outrage over the question.
>>24728446It's not dehumanizing enough to matter if you're trying to draw a comparison to a genocide like the Rwandan genocide, no. Again, "you racist n sheit!" is only dehumanizing in a distant, mostly metaphorical, mostly hysterical sense.
>>24728446You’re an ESL incapable of following the trajectory of a single thread. You just repeat the same retarded questions that have nothing to do with what you’re responding with.Go back, saaar.
>>24728404I have are read reports saying the Hutus were the good guys in all of this.
>>24728468You “have are read reports”? What?
>>24728453While I respect your opinion that dehumanization towards certain groups is hysterical, I will respectfully disagree.>>24728455>rather than answering a simple question sperg has convinced himself I'm IndianFinest lefty intellectual
>>24728474You asked me three times a variation of the same question that was answered by two other people at the start of this thread.You are undoubtedly ESL, by the way. No native speaker would type out “So the comparison then is inane why?” and think that’s a normal sentence. Even just reading it out loud sounds like an Indian gas station clerk, and the fact you’re upset about it (instead of just ignoring it) makes it even more obvious.
>>24728474I'm impressed with how you selectively read the fragments of my reply that agreed with you. You're very upset and it's making you retarded.
>>24728482>Can you explain your own beliefs?>No, but I can explain how I've convinced myself you're IndianFinest lefty intellectual>>24728485I'm impressed how you're able to say the dehumanization preceeding the genocide of one group is totally different from the dehumanization of another group because in the latter case it's "mostly hysterical". I believe this is what they call cognitive dissonance
>>24728494>I believe this is what they callYou believe, but don’t know for sure because you’re an Indian ESL. Another self-tell.
>>24728453Op here. I am not drawing a similarity to the genocide proper, pay attention. I am drawing similarities between Hutu oppression narratives and contemporary leftist ones regarding "whiteness" and white supremacy.
>>24728499Man, you are just being a willful retard at this point. Why, I don't know.
>>24728623You don’t have to play damage control any longer. Be proud of your heritage, but brush up on the grammar, saar.
>>24728626I'm not the guy you are talking about. I'm just telling you that you sound like a demented retard whose lashing out for no apparent reason.
>>24728637>whoseWho's.And yeah, I am an ESL.
>>24728637Mr. ESL do not get upset. Saaaar.
>>24728641मैं बिल्कुल शांत हूँ। और आप समलैंगिक हैं।
>>24728420>>24728439OP here, what are you guys talking about? I am unaware of any piece of literature that has compared the oppression narratives of Hutu intellectuals to those of current leftist ones. I'd be happy to see if anyone has done this, if you know of any.
>>24728494I was once at a bar with Steelers fans and they told me that Ravens fans were evil. HOLY FUCKING SHIT THIS MEANS STEELERS FANS ARE GOING TO GENOCIDE RAVENS FANS. HOLY SHIT. HOLY SHIT THAT'S BECAUSE SAYING SOMEONE IS EVIL AND THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED DEHUMANIZING AND DEHUMANIZING IS WHAT YOU DO BEFORE A GENOCIDE SO THAT PROVES IT. THIS IS JUST LIKE RWANDA. STEELERS FANS ARE JUST LIKE HUTUS HOLY FUCK THESE ARE THE EXACT SAME THINGThat's how you sound. Hysterical.
>>24728648That’s right, speak in your native moonrunes.
>>24728376>"White people bad" and "Hutus bad" are not equivalent in tone/historical contextWhat? The Hutus were the ones who hated the Tutsis. It was "Tutsis bad" not "Hutus bad2." What a moron. Also, I have already explained to you that there is an equivalent tone and historical context right here>>24728358Seriously, it just feels like you are needlessly screaming at the monitor. you do not even explain why none of this works, why painting people as being a privaleged and oppressive class, like the Tutsis, is not dehumanizing. You just affirm that it is, but this isn't even the topic of discussion. Read the OP again. I asked whether anyone here knows of any literature that has compared Hutu oppression narratives to contemporary leftist narratives.>What OP's trying to do just doesn't hold water at all, makes me think he knows basically nothing about the Rwandan genocideYou say this after thinking that the Hutus were the victims of the genocide. Listen, I don't even claim to be an expert on the genocide, but you clearly know jack and shit and have no reason to claim that I am wholly ignorant of it after this laughable blunder.You guys need to relax. Practice some mindfulness or something.
>>24728688That’s a lot of words to convey that you don’t understand what happened in Rwanda. I suggest you watch Hotel Rwanda so we can all be on the same page.
>>24728685ChatGPT can't move mountains, but it can easily fool retards like you on the internet.
>>24728693Sir, this is a literature board. I think you might be more at home on >>>/tv/
>>24728696>>24728699Samefagging because he’s never seen Hotel Rwanda. How sad….
>>24728704you seem to not know what samefagging means
>>24728682>nobody actually means it bro don't believe your lying eyesSo that's what you're going with?
>>24728315White victimisation is so pathetic that it's insane to behold. They have to compare their situation to a populace who faced actual genocide while sitting atop the world. Truly the most coddled and pampered people in history
>>24728363again, I am not painting progressives as racist. But it doesn't take a lot of brainpower to realize that these narratives do next to nothing other than foster genuinely deplorable traits and feelings in people, like hate, fear, envy, and resentment. It also, in my experience, tends to warp everything into a vicious struggle for existence from the perspectives of minorities. Bias is one thing, but racism raises the stakes somewhere into the stratosphere. Progressives generally like to tell everyone that actions and words have consequences. But they never seem to think that their words have the capacity to put people into a peculiar mental space.
>>24728727nobody here is victimizing white people here, as far as I can tell.
>>24728688>he doesn't know about tutsis killing hutus>he doesn't know who Des Forges is>he doesn't know about the mass grave at Kibuye>he has never heard of Black Furies White Liarskek>Also, I have already explained to you that there is an equivalent tone and historical context right hereI'm nta but your reasoning there is retarded. "These two things kinda look alike, kinda, sorta, so they're comparable" is not the stroke of genius you think it is. That's your entire argument. There's no equivalent tone, you just think there is because it makes you upset when black people call you racist. There's no real equivalent context, there's just the surface-level similarity of "two groups hate each other." You've noticed that two things very hazily resemble each other if you hold them at arms' length and squint, and somehow you've convinced yourself that you've noticed something real, important, and game-changing KEK
>>24728727>no facts, all feelsVery compelling
>>24728715Anons on /lit/ called me evil for reading YA. HOLY FUCK /LIT/ IS GONNA GENOCIDE ANYONE WHO READS YA HOLY FUCK GUYS
>>24728727 I know this is ragebait but this is also correct LMAO
>>24728203Is calling someone racist really a death sentence? Basically any white person over a certain age will spit out something sort of retrograde. The only people I've ever seen who believe that an accusation of racism is some kind of death sentence are hysterical rightists. Have you considered that you're mapping some kind of death anxiety onto culture war politics? That there's a belief you hold that is inextricable to your ego and also logically indefensible that will condemn you to hell or something? Does it help to know that most people will be forgotten regardless of their social values?
>>24728738>>he doesn't know about tutsis killing hutus>>he doesn't know who Des Forges is>>he doesn't know about the mass grave at Kibuye>>he has never heard of Black Furies White LiarsI do, actually. What's your point?>These two things kinda look alikeThat is indeed the whole topic of the thread. I am drawing similarities and asking whether there has been any literature written about this topic. I'm not claiming to be a genius. I don't think you need to be one to see similiraties. The Tutsis were seen as a privileged and oppressive class and they had a real history of being oppressors to the Hutus just as white people had a history of being oppressive to black people. That is both an equivalent tone and historic context. The rest of your post is just you waxing poetic about the same thing, nothing substantial.Also, I am not a racist by any means.
>>24728748>Is calling someone racist really a death sentence?No? I'm not saying that it is. Read the OP. However, some people have lost their jobs over such an accusation and it does definitely have real social consequences. But again, that's not what's being discussed.>Basically any white person over a certain age will spit out something sort of retrogradeWhat?>Have you considered that you're mapping some kind of death anxiety onto culture war politics?No, but I do have similar ideas regarding leftist oppression narratives, according to which minorities as suffering from a spectral form of racism that is systemic and pervasive, painting their struggle as one for existence against a force that wants them dead. You can generally see this expressed by minority groups.>That there's a belief you hold that is inextricable to your ego and also logically indefensible that will condemn you to hell or something?I'm not sure what you mean. I do however think that leftism does feed into egoistic desires, valorizing "marginalized voices" and the like>Does it help to know that most people will be forgotten regardless of their social values?Ok. You lost me.
>>24728743>okay people are saying these things but you actually think they mean it???There's no way this is what you're sticking with
>>24728763>some people have lost their jobs over such an accusationIn America yes, because we have zero meaningful labor protections and a large population of vindictive tattletales, not exclusive to ether side.>What?Really everyone is guilty of some level of racial tribalism. My only point of reference is American whites.>No, but I do have similar ideas regarding leftist oppression narratives, according to which minorities as suffering from a spectral form of racism that is systemic and pervasive, painting their struggle as one for existence against a force that wants them dead. You can generally see this expressed by minority groups.Whether the racism itself is real or imagined, there are objective differences in the quality and outcome of your life in America based on your zip code. There are neighborhoods with life expectancies in the 60's and those well in excess of 90. Most of these neighborhoods are black and latino, but many of them are white. The whiggish liberal media class is unwilling to engage with any demands for economic reform, and will instead just pay lip service to the minority side since in their mind those groups have an excuse to be poor while the poor whites are just idiots who didn't work hard enough.Of course, the reactionary side of the media class is happy to shepherd the disaffected working class whites into their own petty racial tribalism while they pursue economic policies that further immiserate them.
>>24728795>In America yesNot just in America, no. You can find examples from the UK, Australia, and even Iceland, whose labor laws are considered to be some of the best in the world. Or so I've heard.>Really everyone is guilty of some level of racial tribalism. My only point of reference is American whites.I'd actually say that whites are the least tribalistic. Of course, you could also just say that they do not "need" to be or that their tribalism is more covert and unconscious. But yeah, people cling to identities, from sexuality to classes. Why? Because it satisfies their cravings.>Whether the racism itself is real or imagined, there are objective differences in the quality and outcome of your life in America based on your zip code.I am sure. I am also sure that minorities might suffer from bias in some places. We can talk about that, it's fine. We can teach people respect. The thing is that when you bring up racism the way many left-leaning intellectuals have been doing, you end up raising the stakes somewhere into the stratosphere. Everything becomes a vicious death-struggle against an absolute enemy, and it is not too dissimilar, in my opinion, from how the Hutus would describe Tutsis. I can understand how this might put people into a particular mental space. I'm not saying, however, that this will lead to genocide. I do however find this to be no less vicious. But hey, I cannot do anything. People are irrational animals who seek mainly to satisfy their meaningless desires.
>>24728731That was the point anon, that was always the point. The only people who don't realise this are useful idiot "academics" women mostly this time around
>>24728746 spongebob meme where he reveals progressively larger hoards of diapers, each hoard covering major european wars, the 26 ww2 deaths in the soviet union, with the last hoard outside the pineapple being the global % of europeans dropping from 25% pre ww2 to 9% today
