tyrion stroll editionASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_PageBlog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdyGeneral search: http://searcherr.work/TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chaptersold: >>24704184
I started re-reading dunk and egg. I'm home again bros.
>>24720178That magic sword can probably kill the monsters
Did George design King's Landing with such a retardedly narrow port just so he can have the battle of the blackwater?
>>24729553Haha.....
>>24729553>the kings road leads to a river and not the kings gate The fuck?
Do you think george reads asoiaf reddit/forum posts, watches asoiaf theory videos ?
>>24729577Considering that he hired the people running Westeros.org I'd assume he's at least done that.
>>24729577He said that he used to early on but doesn't anymore because people calling out the twists makes him want to change them.
George Shart Shart Fartin is a hack who couldn't write a single story from start to finish if his fat life depended on itBUTit's incredibly funny how his mere existence as an author absolutely mindfucks tolkienfags so hard he lives rent-free in their heads 24/7.For that alone, to witness that absolute tolkienist seethe and coping, gurm's failure of a series is worth liking
>>24729629>it's incredibly funny how his mere existence as an author absolutely mindfucks tolkienfags so hard he lives rent-free in their heads 24/7.People who brand GRRM as some kind of evil nihilistic anti-Tolkien are usually just cultural warriors who haven't actually read LOTR (or ASOIAF). They just see the "Aragorn's tax policy" quote and assume that he is an evil commie and hates Tolkien (who is le trad, based and racist).
>Dance was published in July 2011>Winds' original first deadline was October 2015>next month we hit 10 years past the due dateBarring another pandemic, it's actually over, isn't it?
>>24729980Friendly reminder that in the 14 years we haven't seen a single preview chapter that wasn't already a leftover from the earlier books.It's been over for a long time.
But hey, that 1995 Wild Card's book got a rerelease with a new title so it doesn't sound like it's associated with the Orange Man. Why aren't you happy for new Gurm releases?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaHx4bq_3rITurns out we should've all abandoned ship when Glidus made the following short:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AE98eywoQI
Sandkings 2 will save /grrm/
rarely do people discuss non-asoiaf works of martin, though it may be surprising that before writing got, he was working on his magnus opus in the 1000 world settings, avalonhere's the most i could find from wertzone:>Avalon (started 1991)Martin was 100-odd pages into writing Avalon, a big SF epic set on one of the most notable planets in his Thousand Worlds setting, when he was distracted by an idea he'd had about a deserter being beheaded in the snow, watched by a young boy and his family. That led to a tangent which, over a quarter of century later, remains unfinished. It's unclear if Martin seriously plans to finish Avalon once A Song of Ice and Fire is completed, but it's also notable that Martin has never published the material he had completed for the book (unlike his other unfinished novel, Black and White and Red All Over), suggesting he may have some plans for it in the future.https://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2017/09/the-compleat-george-rr-martin.htmlif you have not read his 1000 world books, the setting is that humans got into a two way war with 2 alien species and all sides resorted to biological warfare in some capacity to defeat the other, after many years, a truce was called between all the 3 parties, but in the interim of the war, many planets that had been settled by humans had been reduced to iron age or even bronze age civilisations but with weird sci fi twists, and this era is where most of his stories are set, in the interregnumavalon was the capital of the manrealm after all the wars had abated, and one that was still technologically competent unlike many other settlements, and this was were his story was to be seta very long line of what if separates us from avalon, but wert does mention that martin never cannibalised material of this work into any other, so maybe in the future
>>24730054Does that also have page long descriptions of the food they eat while grease drips down their chins?
>>24730054I really wish someone would ask him what his plot idea was for Avalon instead of "Hey George what advice would you suggest for new writers? :)" and other shit he gets asked repetitively at conventions.>many planets that had been settled by humans had been reduced to iron age or even bronze age civilisations but with weird sci fi twists, and this era is where most of his stories are set, in the interregnumbtw, this is why for the longest time people held onto the belief that ASOIAF was set in the Thousand Worlds.
>>24730068this is how in the house of the worm starts:>For ages past remembering, the House of the Worm had been lost in decay, and that was as it should be, for decay is but one name of the White Worm himself. So the yaga-la-hai, the worm-children, only smiled and went on as always, though the tapestries rotted on the walls of their endless burrows and their numbers dwindled each year, though meat grew ever more scarce, and the very stone around them turned to dust. In the high burrows with slit windows, awash with the red dimness of the vast dying ember above, they came and went and lived their lives. They tended their torches and held their masques, and made the sign of the worm whenever they passed near the dark windowless burrows where the grouns were said to mutter and lie in wait (for the halls and tunnels of the House of the Worm were reputed to be infinite, descending as far below the earth as the black sky ascends above, and the yaga-la-hai claimed only a few of its many ancient chambers).more than anything it is melancholy that is heavy in most of his works, its not all that appreciable in asoiaf
>>24730070yeah, someone needs to ask him about avalon, most people who end up going to the convention are for the most parts "super" fans, and they dont really show any appreciation of his earlier worksanother could be how the failure of the armageddon rag led to his growth as a writer, as he is markedly different writer pre- and post- armageddon ragor something about windhaven and whether he intends to write in collab with lisa tuttle again, so many things to ask, but wasted on the hip crowd>btw, this is why for the longest time people held onto the belief that ASOIAF was set in the Thousand Worlds.i still think that it is, a very obvious onethe comet / spaceship from tuf that gives rise to diseases and parasites when in orbit, and jorah's torch and the coming of the dragons
>>24729629>>24729744Gotta love the coping insecurity Tolkien causes lil contrarians like you lmao
>>24730124case in point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxhX_Ct9f-4The worldcon panel is finally up btwI'm stuck sick at home, so I'm gonna watch it and I'll write up some highlights, I wanna know if Gurm really shits on christianity/mormonism or not lol
>>24730202They don't seem to be doing very good job.
Walk with me, my sweet summer child, and hear the tale of fat pink masts jutting into sopping wet myrish swamps and black nipples brushing against silk until her cunt became the world while in the privy the princess guzzled arbor gold and shat but the more she drank the more she shat until she was shitting brown water and around her the planks of the ship groaned like a fat man taking a shit while she cursed the gods and nuncle smiled as he broke his fast on black bread, bacon burned black, and mulled wine while capon-grease dribbled down his chin and onto the boiled leather of his jerkin for she was wet with love and did she not know words are wind and dark wings bring dark words and a lannister always pays her debts and mayhaps this is nothing but a mummers farce and useless as nipples on a breastplate and the princess has been fucking lancel and moonboy for all nuncle knows and he is the blood of the dragon for the night is dark and full of terrors but where do whores go and jon snow knows nothing and near enough makes no matter so nuncle smiled and dipped the heel of his bread into clam chowder and prayed for half a hundred more heh har HODOR
>>24729508I like this basedboys videoshttps://www.youtube.com/@somethingtotacobout556530 minute vids on minor characters, perfect shit to sleep to
If he doesn’t end up on the throne I will actually kill myself. Riverlands need a fuarking king.
>>24730625Edmure is so based bros. Fuck Robb for not properly communicating.
>>24729988Odds are 1/5th of him "muh 1200 winds pages" are just leftovers from dance to make it even grimmer
>>24730634His editor complained like 12 years ago that she's only received what was required for the fat mans advance and she gave the exact page number she had got which was pretty much exactly what the leftover previews consisted of.We haven't got an update from her since that.
>>24730166no u
It's impossible for another series to surpass ASOIAF, isn't it?
Fuck it. Never release winds. Make a tabletop or a video game with ten different endings
>>24730650>GRRM forces CMON to do a narrative campaign of their ASOIAF wargame and the result is the canon ending of the books
>>24730177Honestly George didn't say anything too offensive. He did go off about how hard magic sucks but I don't think he said anything controversial.I think the mormon comment got cut, if it even happened. He says something along the lines of "Yeah I figured out Santa didn't exist when I was 7. But worse, a year later I started applying the same logic to Jesus" and then Ryan Cahill made a joke to diffuse the whole conversation. Honestly he had some pretty good comments in this thing overall, maybe I'll check out one of his books.To summarize>how Tolkien changed worldbuilding and how Dunsany and Howard now pale in comparison today in regards to believable worlds (also how romantasy has led to a regression in the quality of worldbuilding)>How the publishing industry learned the wrong lessons from the success of Tolkien>Terry Goodkind made it big solely because Robert Jordan missed a deadline>research is important to immersion, e.g. George talked to paraplegics when writing Bran in AGoT, but got fucking destroyed by winemakers for putting the Arbor on an island.>how fucked the current state of fantasy television >Brandon Sanderson roasted an editor by name for saying "No one wants to read about vampires" the year before Twilight was published.>how self-publishing has changed fantasy writing>chasing fads is bad, write what (You) want to write. More or less, "If you build it, they will come." This also ties into why fantasy television adaptations are so bad- because rather than stand on its own, everything has to be either parroting Harry Potter or parroting Game of Thrones in its adaptation. Shoutout to Arcane, but no one mentioned how bad season 2 was.
>>24730124Tolkien is fine to us and George. We like him. It's morons like you we don't like.
>>24730739Why bring up Tolkien in a pissy little fashion if someone commenting will make you butthurt?
>>24730876Did you not follow the conversation.
>>24729629Hasn't he never finished a series ever?
>>24730109also the Thousand Worlds god Bakkalon is mentioned in Feast
Who is the most reasonable and probably accurate ASOIAF Youtube theorist and who is the most absolutely off base that you wonder if you read the same book?
>>24731378all of them are nuts just by virtue of having to ring never ending content out of a franchise that receives extremely sporadic and fragmented updates. Quinn the GM is the only one who's not completely insane by now, and that's because he only started making ASOIAF content like 2 years ago
>>24731018and then George is like "No, it's not in the thousand worlds, it's just an easter egg!"
>>24729744GRRM's heroes are an oathbreaking bastard who has just been put down like a dog, a whore shitting brown water, a rapist dwarf, some girl in a death cult and a paraplegic who ate a friend. And there are no more books to redeem them. Tolkienfags won.
>>24729744>They just see the "Aragorn's tax policy" quote and assume that he is an evil commie and hates Tolkien (who is le trad, based and racist).no they just think its silly because its irrelevant to the story
Jon did nothing wrong
>>24731443Refusing to embrace his nature as a warg and locking up Ghost is indefensible.
Jon pleads the fifth
>>24731404Huh>According to Business Insider, the American author’s A Feast for Crows featured exacts where the author had dragged the disappointment of his loss by poking fun at Harry Potter. Therein, Martin wrote about female knight Brienne of Tarth defeating two male knights, Harry Sawyer and Robin Potter, giving the latter a nasty scar (much like Harry’s distinct forehead scar).
why are people so against Jon being legit when it's so obviously what Martin intended. >"Kings are a rare sight in the north." Robert snorted. "More likely they were hiding under the snow. Snow, Ned!" >He gave her a half smile. 'Bastards are not allowed to damage young princes,' he said. 'Any bruises they take in the practice yard must come from trueborn swords.'">"Ser Willem Darry is fled to Dragonstone with your queen and PRINCE Viserys. I thought you might have sailed with him." Oswell: "Ser Willem is a good man and true." Gerold: "But not of the Kingsguard. The Kingsguard does not flee." Arthur: "Then or now." Gerold: "We swore a vow."Granted both his parents were retards and i don't really think it will matter too much but knowing Lyanna I doubt she would be cool with her kid being a bastard.
>>24731642If that fat man finishes the books, then Jon will probably be king.
>>24731697i actually think the show's ending for jon is going to be canon if he finishes. i would much prefer to see him on the throne but him fucking off past the wall seems way likelier.
>>24731724Going north makes no sense.
>>24731738ok why
>>24731697Bran king is canon and co formed by George himself
>>24731751There's nothing up their. No reason to go up their
>>24731801that's the point
>>24731802There is no point
>>24731738He's GRRM's twist on Aragorn. Instead of the rightful king taking his throne the twist is he fucks off. Basically what if you gave Aragorn Frodo's ending.
>>24731855its honestly kino as hell
>>24729508Who are you picking if you're Aegon 3?
>>24731888It's pretty fucking clear which of those is the better choice.
>>24731890Yeah, the Bolton chick is the only one who showed an ounce of care for anyone other than herself
>>24731841based nihilist
>>24731891BZZZZT wrong
>>24731888Daenaera is objectively the correct choice but you should probably pick Myrmadora and maybe also Patricia and Moriah for fucking purposes until she is ready.
>>24731429Tolkien's hero is a fat midget who can't keep his hands off jewelry.
>>24731888Myrielle I am Unwin Peake's strongest soldier
>>24731888George is a ped no doubt in my mind
>>24731888>marry Patricia Redwyne>ask the Dornish girl and the Lysene slut to stay as her handmaidens "in the interests of fostering diplomatic relations between our lands">fuck them both on the sidesimple as
>>24729508
>>24731888
Any good ASOIAF sexos now that the mods are sleeping?
>>24731888I don't think the Gurm realizes how young 6 years old really is
>>24732317This is your brain as a 70-something year old with no kids writing Fire and Blood
Do you think just doing the time skip would have been easier?
>>24731891True
What is Brienne supposed to do in the story?>Trail on Arya and Sansa has gone cold>Gets kidnapped by StoneheartAssuming she survives and escapes the Brotherhood, where else can she go? She could continue to fuck around near the Riverlands. But that would be pointless. Likely, she'd have to go to the Vale because thats where Sansa is. But there isn't any reason for her to know to investigate the area.
>>24732676Stay with Jaime until she gets a lead on Sansa
A Worm there was, a Worm, a WormAll fat and pink, and covered with sperm.The Worm! The Worm!
Who is the betrayal for blood, gold and love?
>>24732676Arya's dire wolf is running free and leading a huge pack of wolves. Brienne will go after that.
>>24732707blood - mirri (killed the magic bloodline prophecy baby rhaego to stop him from conquering the world)gold - ben plum (switched sides in the war when she stood to lose)love - hizdahr (he sides with the SotH against her out of love for his people and culture which dany is trampling on)this is known
>>24732698>Not pink mast
>>24733018pray tell what would a mast be covered with, sweet nuncle?
>>24732468I think it's easier to not write anything ever at all.
>I think Ned Stark loved Robert better than he ever loved his brother or his father . . . or even you, my lady. He was never unfaithful to Robert, was he?" Jaime gave a drunken laugh. - A Clash of Kings - Catelyn VII
>>24732137Emilia is too pure! She would never do this
Howland Reed is an antagonist.
>>24731888Seeing that the Bolton girl is a thousand year old skinchanging entity that will seep into the mind of our offspring… probably not her
Editors: The Writer's Natural Enemy by George RR Martin (1979)https://georgerrmartin.com/about-george/speeches/editors-the-writers-natural-enemy/
>Left to their own devices, writers talk about only three things; the three most important things in the world.>They talk about money, they talk about sex, and they talk about editors.>Money and sex are things that most writers want and never get enough of.Gurm is such a glutton
>>24731888If Bolton girl has grey eyes as on the pic, then her because >>24731891If she has icy blue eyes then Patricia, because >>24733270
>>24733270why would other noble houses tolerate a backstabbing, flaying house of psychopaths?
>>24733354The psychos are probably spread over generations of lords who at least can hide their power level.I wonder what Blackwoods did to be exiled if Boltons could stay.
