The son of god dies.And the world cried for him, but the traitor refused to shed a tear for him.He is later hanged, and his guts spill over.What is the origin of this history? Is it older than christ?
>assertion in the form of a questionYou might as well ask me to wipe for you.
>>24730716was sturluson really telling legitimate old nordic myths? or was he putting christian ideas into nordic contexts? i know little to nothing about this but what i've heard leans toward the latter. anyway the actual point of origin is obviously in the ancient near east.
>>24731021>anyway the actual point of origin is obviously in the ancient near east.Unlikely, middle eastern mythologies are just regurgitated indoeuropean myths they absorbed through the persians, mittanis, scythians, hittites, greeks and romans.Their OG mylthologies are more likely something african-like such as whatever somalis worshipped before allah
>>24730716Nature is a chaotic system, and sometimes, when we're lucky, beauty arises from its chaos, and it makes life more worth living. >jealous men seething themselves to death about people who are more naturally beautiful/successful/wise/graceful/noble/etc. etc. etc., though little personal effort, and without harming or exploiting others for their benefit ... and the jealous, petty men cutting those good men down, and then earning the justified ire of people who enjoyed the company of the natural nobles......is almost feature of the system. You could call it an archetype, but that sounds Jungian. It's more just virtually "bound to happen" because of the structure of nature. I personally don't like to frame this in terms of ideas like "children of god" or "those favored by the gods" like the myth of Abel etc. - that framing suggests that what is "higher" and nature itself are two separate things. Sometimes nature gives rise to really beautiful things. By personal effort, people can evolve themselves towards what is good and fair. Enter Philosophy, which is often the antidote to the natural jealousy that can arise in men who are confronted with naturally good things they can't own or attain.
>>24730716>What is the origin of this history? Is it older than christ?Obviously yes, its a fundamental myth so you need to be caveman brained to get itIts the myth of the sun.Every day the sun is born on the horizon.Every day it dies, the night falls upon earth and darkness engulfs the land.After that, the sun rises again from among the dead.The reason the sun dies unfairly is because of it's masculine nature.Traditionally, that primeval is male, that sophisticated female.The sun is primeval because its closer to a singularity, it "radiates" itself, its light and its heat onto the earth,Which is feminine, like the grail, is a vessel, is earthly, fertile, dark and watery.The "god of light" gives himself, in sacrifice, and "radiates" his heat and light onto every living creature.While masculinity is imposition, is also to give, martyrdom.While feminity is receptive, is also to consume. Vampirism.
>>24731095i'm not talking about arabians. near east in this context means mesopotamia and egypt.
>>24731021The poems are considered more or less accurately ancient since they have structures that resist change.The martyr themes most prominent in Christianity were popular across the med for hundreds of years before and after Christ. Even Octavian decided to use a narrative with those themes about Caesar to gain power.Óðinn or Tuisto the twisted one was a mercenary king living around 100BC in the Black Sea area who fought under Pontus against Rome and moved north through the rivers, possibly back to where his ancestors came from since these migrations back and forth happened incredibly often.The gods have two families, Ásar from the east associated with animal husbandry, war and contains the gods that are accepted as directly linked to the Vedas.The other family is Vanir, from van, a shortening of Yvan which is what Greeks were referred to in the east including the Bible. The Vanir are more focused on beauty, art and sex.
>>24730716It’s a myth buried in the subconscious of all people because it’s a recurring pattern in human life over and over again.
>>24731141Cringe atheist retard.
>>24732572God isn't real and atheism increases exponentially as IQ increases. There is no inflection point beyond which this trend reverses.You believe in God because you have a low IQ.
>>24732588Dumbest position in all history.
>>24730716Where are you getting the idea that 1. Baldur is a god of "light" and 2. Loki was hanged?
Yeah y'all are fucking forgetting that most of the norse sagas were written by a Christian monk
>>24732588Belief in any mainstream position including false ones increases fast as IQ increases. When Christianity was actually mainstream and part of the education system the correlation between IQ and faith was even stronger than the inverse correlation today.>>24732781Second post, retard.
For nine nights I hung, spear in my side on the great tree with roots no man can find.Screaming, I learned the symbols and fell back to earth.Nine poems of power I learned from my ancestors and drank from their well of knowledge.Thereafter I learned and grew learned and grew and prospered. Word follows word, work follows work.Symbols you will find and staffs (letters/weapons/pillars) of power. Very large, solid staffs, the ones that gave poems of power and built the void before time and the kings of men.
>>24732588>God isn't real and atheism increases exponentially as IQ increasesJews disprove this thoughAll of our elites are esoterists
>>24732754>The second son of Odin is Baldr, and good things are to be said of him. He is best, and all praise him; he is so fair of feature, and so bright, that light shines from him. A certain herb is so white that it is likened to Baldr's brow; of all grasses it is whitest, and by it thou mayest judge his fairness, both in hair and in body.>Old Norse also shows the usage of the word as an honorific in a few cases, as in baldur î brynju (Sæm. 272b) and herbaldr (Sæm. 218b), in general epithets of heroes. In continental Saxon and Anglo-Saxon tradition, the son of Woden is called not Bealdor but Baldag (Saxon) and Bældæg, Beldeg (Anglo-Saxon), which shows association with "day", possibly with Day personified as a deity. This, as Grimm points out, would agree with the meaning "shining one, white one, a god" derived from the meaning of Baltic baltas, further adducing Slavic Belobog and German Berhta.[6]>comparison with the Lithuanian báltas ('white', also the name of a light-god) based on the semantic development from 'white' to 'shining' then 'strong'.[1][2] According to linguist Vladimir Orel, this could be linguistically tenable.[2] Philologist Rudolf Simek also argues that the Old English Bældæg should be interpreted as meaning 'shining day', from a Proto-Germanic root *bēl- (cf. Old English bæl, Old Norse bál 'fire')[4] attached to dæg ('day').[5]
>>24730716The story of Christ is older than Christ.
>>24733049>Wikipedia
>>24732093>The martyr themes most prominent in Christianity were popular across the med for hundreds of years before and after Christ.yes, that's what i was referring to. but the original narrative was around probably 2000+ years before christ. they eventually reached greece in the form of dionysus and adonis, but they were much older. are you saying that those narratives reached the nordic world via the greeks? the indo-europeans themselves afaik did not have a proper dying and rising god.
