Suicide when looked at without the usual moral panic can actually be seen as a rational and even ethical choice. Life is structurally rigged against us, from birth we inherit a terminal condition destined to end in death and along the way we endure pain, discouragement, decay, and moral compromise. People cope by inventing values, distractions, and illusions (religion, art, entertainment) but all of this is just a way of postponing the inevitable. If procreation itself is ethically questionable because it throws someone into this doomed structure without consent then why should continuing in it be a moral duty? There is no categorical imperative to keep living at all costs, survival isn't inherently noble if it comes at the price of indignity, manipulation, or unbearable suffering. Suicide simply recognizes the reality of existence and takes control over when and how the inevitable end happens. It's not an act of cowardice but of lucidity and a refusal to live on borrowed illusions when the frictions of life outweigh whatever temporary values we can create. In that sense suicide isn't immoral, it's one of the few moments in which a person can fully assert autonomy and dignity in a world otherwise hostile to both.
>>24732177The basic problem is that the intellect properly honed correctly recognizes the futility of it all (intellect led astray does not), but the instincts are always far stronger, and almost always insuperable. The instinct is for life, and the intellect is for death. This absolutely irreconcilable tension in the human condition is what Cioran understood, in one of his best remarks:Having lived out – having verified all the arguments against life – I have stripped it of its savors... I have known post-sexual metaphysics, the void of the futilely procreated universe, and that dissipation of sweat which plunges you into an age-old chill, anterior to the rages of matter. And I have tried to be faithful to my knowledge, to force my instincts to yield, and realized that it is no use wielding the weapons of nothingness if you cannot turn them against yourself. For the outburst of desires, amid our knowledge which contradicts them, creates a dreadful conflict between our mind opposing the Creation and the irrational substratum which binds us to it still.Still, suicide itself is a pointless bitch move, which Cioran also understood. You'll be dead in a short while no matter what you do. In your lower language, the categorical imperative (an intellectual idea) is superseded again by the instincts, which are obviously the superior impulse in practice. Mom would be sad, which counts for something. In your later remarks you correctly note the positive aspect of suicide's POSSIBILITY: each individual retains that absolute sovereignty over themselves. Anyone can check out any time they want, and refuse to keep playing. That is why religions and governments make of suicide such an extreme, unpardonable sin. The latter are psychological and social phenomena which absolutely require living human individuals for their own reproduction (parasites on hosts), so etc.
>>24733487The instinct to life isn’t really the main barrier. Hence why the government must childproof the nation and keep effective, painless methods of suicide away from the plebs. What people fear more than death is pain and injury.> Still, suicide itself is a pointless bitch move,So is living
>>24733487>The instinct is for lifeI went through a near-death experience recently and completely lost my instinct for life that keeps most people from killing themselves
>>24733658This is an interesting reply because there's an anon here (you?) who periodically insists on the primacy of NDEs and their controlling explanatory power for some sort of an afterlife. Your language suggests that you've made at least one suicide attempt, in which case, the odds just spiked that you'll make another at some later point.
