>>24746376
Industrial Society and its Future.
Anything on the John B. Calhoun Rat Utopia experiment.

>>24746384

its a bit different to industrial society and its future, that is about going back to living like its 1000 years ago.
Herbivore men are happy to chill at home, play video games etc, they just dont want to work endlessly their entire life in boring jobs and be stuck with a boring wife.
The industrial society and its future book wants everybody back to having to work on a farm their whole life to survive in tiny communities.
Quite different thing.

>>24746396
The point I am making is it is urbanization and industrialization that creates these herbivores. Uncle Ted saw this coming.
Overabundance of food, shelter, lack of natural pressures - these lead to a total breakdown of social functioning.
Which is very very clearly illustrated in John B. Calhoun's Rat Utopia experiments.
He created a rat habitats that could support populations of thousands. Provided them with constant access to food and water, they had no environmental pressures, and within a few generations, female rats lost the ability to care for their young (96% infant mortality rate), male rats had extreme variety of behaviors, some formed gangs that basically protected harems of females, some became sexually deviant, and then there were "the beautiful ones" which were males that isolated themselves from the rest of the population, spent all their time sleeping and grooming themselves, and only going out at night to eat when all the other rats were sleeping.
There's your Herbivores.

>>24746384
>John B. Calhoun Rat Utopia experiment
Antiscientific bullshit tho

>>24746409
Real science is never only the conclusions that make you feel safe.

>>24746404

96% of women havent lost their ability to care for their young so I dont think you can apply rat experiments onto humans.
I agree with the overabundance of everything probably does contribute though, if you are able to get a 7/10 life just chilling at home and putting in minor effort, its a pretty hard sell to have to suffer massivlely to upgrade to a 8/10 life that could also backfire and leave you with a 4/10 life after a divorce.

>>24746412
Human society is obviously more complex than Calhoun's Utopias.
But Japan is a small industrialized island nation facing population decline. I say the comparison holds weight.
If you look at Japan's history, they were basically doing fine, their culture was quite beautiful and sophisticated, and then everything went wrong once they started to industrialize. WW2 didn't help, an the "post-war economic miracle" created by the US just served to further hem and herd them into an industrial lifestyle.

While it's pronounced in Japan, population is also on the decline in all industrialized nations. Numbers being propped up by importing foreign immigrants.
The natives of industrialized nations are experiencing population decline.

>>24746434

yes thats why I am interested in this lifestlye, Im sure everybody can feel some of what the herbivore men are feeling, whatever is driving it is not going away, quite the opposite, it will just keep increasing.

>>24746446
Also this board is probably one of the best places on earth to understand it, I recon people here would understand the movement much more than the average person.
Just wait, this movement is coming to the west, in a year or 2 it will be everywhere.

>>24746376
What's that chinese movement? Lie flat?

>>24746412
Have you seen the state of modern women?
How can you find that can even cook

>>24746412
Tbh I don't really find rape all that troubling. Its given an inflated sense of importance over crimes like robbery and murder because certain politicians have so empathy its gonna kill them in the long run. Empires weren't won and maintained by considering the thoughts and feelings of those other than the conquerers, even the subjects which were of their own kind.

>>24746376
My diary desu

>>24746396
I think herbivores just refers to men with a submissive dating dynamic. It's in opposite to carnivores men who are womanizing and aggressive. Herbivore men have no backbone and greatly prefer women to show initiative or just be single altogether.

>happy to chill at home, play video games etc, they just dont want to work endlessly their entire life in boring jobs and be stuck with a boring wife
I think the closest japanese phenomenon for this is called the satori generation.

>>24746404
>total breakdown of social functioning.
Society is functioning just fine. People give up on social advancement because too many people are competing and driving out less capable or motivated people. If people start quitting en masse to the point of causing social problems and your government isn't replacing the workers with migrants, then the pendulum will swing into making competition rewarding again and people will come back.

>>24746376
Japanese Isekai novels. The protagonist starts out as a herbivore man and needs a traumatic life-altering event to get out of it.

>>24746404
Having read Calhoun's article Population Density and Social Pathology in which he enumerates his experiments, what he was testing was not at all "overabundance of food, shelter, lack of natural pressures", and in fact each of these factors was constrained in some way in the rat utopias: food was meted out at a slow pace to get the rats to associate feeding with the social activity of other rats sharing the feeding stations, shelter was constrained by the irregularly small and convoluted enclosure geography. What was really being tested was what are the behavioral consequences of population density. The biggest factors in breakdown were territorial males cordoning off the secluded areas (as they were enabled to do by pinch points in the enclosure design), which forced most of the rats into a part of the enclosure too small for them, and rats getting distracted by socializing with new rats while they were trying to execute their instinctual child-rearing tasks, as well as mate scarcity for males making them further develop irregular behavior. But the main point is that in this artificial environment, the rats' instincts were not properly tuned (too much energy expended on social adjustment) for their normal functioning.

>>24746412
Without state gibs and modern amenities handholding them throughout the process, modern women have definitely lost the ability to care for their young

Japan has a higher birth rate than both Spain and italy

>>24746376
Tao de ching

>>24746483
A significant portion of women under the age of thirty can barely wash and feed themselves. I'm not sure why or how it's happened, but large numbers of young women nowadays are completely dysfunctional in their day-to-day lives, verging on mentally handicapped.

>>24746664
>Society is functioning just fine.
lol
LMAO