>cannot be refuted.
>>24746510 (OP)Nigh every lesson he derives from the animal kingdom is internally inconsistent with the logic and causality which only we humans are able to access. He seems to want to regress to an understanding of the self that we left behind many millennia ago when we became self-aware. The instincts of animals are only in their best interest because of the equilibrium that they exist with in the natural environment, entirely predicated on the fact that they don't have the ability to fine tune their approach to survival with access to logic and causality. Scarcely have I ever read more refutable writing. Tell me what part is most convincing to you and we can discuss it in more detail.
>>24746563>Tell me what part is most convincing to you and we can discuss it in more detail.He says white people (by which he means Europeans in general) should reject Christianity because it promotes suicidal values including race blindness and loving one's enemies. There is also Klassen's rejection of the claim that Christianity is a civilizing force. White civilizations had existed for three thousand years before Christianity and if anything, white civilizations in the present day succeed in spite of Christianity, not because of it.
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>>24746747I'm more than happy to engage in discussion after I wake in several hours from my imminent slumber. In the meantime for my ease of reference can you let me know where in the book he addresses these ideas?
>>24746510>ngmidmi
>>24748392I don't see how that refutes any of his statements.
>>24746747This is retarded Nietzscheanism. Klassen, being a kike tool, is purposefully misunderstanding Christian principles in order to strike at insecure men's ego, claiming that it makes them "weak". In reality it is Klassen who was weak>White civilizations had existed for three thousand years before Christianity And yet none of those civilizations come close to the ones under the Christian faith. Poltards are obsessed with finding excuses to the degeneracies and moral issues of the various societies pre-Christianity, some even deluding themselves into idiotic faux-historical narratives about muh Atlantis in order to cope with the fact that no, the white race isn't some superior race by nature, but rather it has adopted a more civilized attitude which is the reason it has succeeded more than other, less civilized races. Klassen wants people to behave like those less civilized races>if anything, white civilizations in the present day succeed in spite of ChristianityIdiocy. The first world has been in a downward spiral ever since the "Enlightenment"/French Revolution and its consequences, all of which were explicitly anti-Christian in nature. Similarly, as we now slowly see more pushback and growth in the conservative sphere, the vast VAST majority, akin to 95+% of new conservatives, are traditionalist Christians. There is a clear correlation between the faith and traditional civilized attitudes with obvious historical basis which morons following these self-indulgent "religions" must ignore lest they hurt their tiny egos further.
>>24748417from reading Klassen I got the impression that his philosophical system is mostly a synthesis of ideas from Darwin, Nietzsche, and Stirner.
>>24748425Which already showcases hypocrisy, funnily enough. I will ignore Darwin since ultimately he's a different case entirely. But Nietzsche was an extreme philosemite, to the point that his final letters were all about "abolishing antisemitism". In fact, Nietzschean philosophy is not only practically derived in its entirety from the jewish faith, it was the basis for the state of Israel, as Theodor Hertzl and other extremely prominent zionists all were HEAVILY influenced by Nietzsche's ideas about morality, or more correctly, lack there of. And Stirner is very much the backbone of the anarchist movement. Seems quite interesting that a supposed antisemitic and antiliberal book indulges in clearly prosemitic and proliberal authors.
>>24746747I think his observation that Christianity promotes the ideas of "race blindness and loving one's enemies" is cogent if poorly worded. In truth, Klassen (or your summary of his ideas) is correct that Christianity constitutes a worldview that is specifically against ethnic-group-identification, highlighting that at every step it is absurd and ill-founded. Klassen himself seems to have to resort to all sorts of strange edge cases and contingencies (eg white people invented China and Egypt) to ensure that every idea and achievement he finds valuable in world history rests on Europeans when logic and causality and history are against him at every turn. The only suicide in question is the suicide of old ideas which have been superseded and are held to account by every other objective metric. In a nutshell, Klassen's ideas are in major violation of the principal of timeliness because of his resurrection of pre-christian anti-logic conceptions of selfhood which were already inaccurate as they always were and will be, but perhaps excusably so on account of the infancy of our understanding of the world. Just don't accept his premise of ethnic group = self and you won't be in violation of your individual existence and forces of logic which Christ gave you access to (not a christian just a fan).
>>24748417> the white race isn't some superior race by nature, but rather it has adopted a more civilized attitude which is the reason it has succeeded more than other, less civilized racesI am white and Christian and if anything white people only use civility as a disguise for our barbarity. Europe has almost always been waging massive war upon itself, always with the ability to grow massive crop fields. The Chinese clearly were able to match this but, simply put, had immerse trouble taking over it's neighbors. Europe just had to invade some weak ass African or America empires and tribes with guns, meanwhile China would be taken over by it's strong neighbors or fight in a civil war. Only in the 21st century are we seeing the true power of China when war has been completely civilized. Europe was doing so much war they had entire rules you had to follow and they LOVED war. If anything, the whites have a true warrior culture and become bored during peace, thus had to wage war outside of Europe to prepare for the eventually future war and to stratify their boredom. Also saying Christianity encourages race blindness is incorrect since being non-Christian was often used as an excuse for violence being inflicted upon you. (Obviously the Muslims did this too but were not talking about Islam right now). Christians were able to justify their warfare with beating pack pagans, heretics (other Christians) and religious enemies while also bringing God to heathens. I think it's foolish to think that white people saying "please and thank you" and wearing fancy clothes and going to church on Sunday had a significant impact on their ability to dominate the world. It's like saying chopsticks allowed Taiwan, China, Japan, and South Korea to dominate the modern tech center and America has raman and sushi and that's why they're good at tech now. Like "civility" doesn't help you take over the world, it's simply having the means to do so AND the desire to take over the world, and even then the Mongols basically only through desire.
>>24746510>Boomer BAP>No less cringe>OP: "cannot refute"Indoctrinated brains are sometimes too pickled to be deprogrammed, but rest assured, this is refutable.
