What's the fuss about this guy recently on /lit/? Did he write anything of noteworthy? Was he a chud? And most importantly, was he right?
Yes, yes, yes.
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>>24746586after reading the following:>Considerations on Franceby de Maistre>Essay on the Generative Principle of Political Constitutionsby de Maistre>Study on Sovereigntyby de Maistre>The Popeby de Maistre>Restoration of Political Scienceby Karl Ludwig von Haller>Patriarchaby Robert Filmer>Six Books of the Commonwealthby Jean Bodin>A Disquisition on Governmentby John Calhoun>Reflections of a Russian Statesmanby Konstantin PobedonostsevI have to say that Konstantin Pobedonostsev is the biggest reactionary chud of all
>>24746586>There is a satanic quality to the French Revolution that distinguishes it from everything we have ever seen or anything we are ever likely to see in the future. Recall the great assemblies, Robespierre's speech against the priesthood, the solemn apostasy of the clergy, the desecration of objects of worship, the installation of the goddess of reason, and that multitude of extraordinary actions by which the provinces sought to outdo Paris. All this goes beyond the ordinary circle of crime and seems to belong to another world.>Even now, when the Revolution has become less violent, and wanton excesses have disappeared, the principles remain. Have not the legislators (I use their term) passed the historically unique rule that the nation will support no form of worship? Some of our contemporaries, it seems to me, have at certain moments reached the point of hating the Divinity; but this frightful act of violence was not necessary to render the very greatest creative efforts useless. The mere omission (let alone contempt) of the great Being in any human endeavour brands it with an irrevocable anathema. Either every imaginable institution is founded on a religious concept or it is only a passing phenomenon. Institutions are strong and durable to the degree that they are, so to speak, deified. Not only is human reason, or what is ignorantly called philosophy, incapable of supplying these foundations, which with equal ignorance are called superstitious, but philosophy is, on the contrary, an essentially disruptive force.
>>24746636The biggest reactionary chud of all time is George Fitzhugh
>>24746586Can anyone point me to where he denounces Francis Bacon?
I started reading Considérations sur la France and it seems interesting but I don't read philosophy so I stopped
>>24746586OP, the recent de Maistre threads are probably all me, because I am currently reading Considerations On France and I like to make threads on /lit/ as I go through books and get to various points in them, to discuss those books and the various points along their length with Anons. I did it all last year with Lord Of The Rings, too. I like to stimulate discussion of actual books on /lit/ by doing this, or trying to stimulate it.
>>24748205Interesting. I did also start reading his considerations on France, but I'm having second thoughts and wondering if his work is really relevant today? Or maybe there's another chud like him that's more recent than De Maistre, so his works would be more relevant to us
>>24746636>He denounced democracy as "the insupportable dictatorship of vulgar crowd". He argued that parliaments, trial by jury, freedom of the press, and secular education were undesirable alien nostrums. He subjected all of them to a severe analysis in his Reflections of a Russian Statesman. He once stated that Russia should be "frozen in time", showing his undivided commitment to autocracy.Holy based!
>>24748678If he didn't support serfdom he's a meme
>>24746586>What's the fuss about this guy recently on /lit/? Foundational reactionary literature.>Did he write anything of noteworthy? >Was he a chud?Considérations sur la France is Das Kapital for chuds. All reactionary thinkers from the 19th and 20th centuries can have their intellectual genealogies traced back to him.>And most importantly, was he right?I'll leave that to you. He's an interesting figure worth a look regardless of where you stand.
>>24746937I own that. Odd considering hes a sociologist which is a left dominant field.
>>24746586>recentlyHe's been daddy-figure #344 for over a decade. He didn't write anything noteworthy, but that doesn't stop people from posting daddy-figure #1302 Jordan Peterson
Just really got into Considerations On France tonight. The first chapter is already really interesting, he basically says that the French Revolution was ordained by God and was an entity, a Force, in its own right. That's why so many mediocre people got caught up in it and were able to do so many extraordinary, and so many terrible, things. It wasn't them using the Revolution, it was the Revolution using them, and discarding them when they tried to stop it or work against it or use it for their own purposes.In light of that I guess the one man huge enough, great enough, to "master" the Revolution was ultimately Napoleon? This is a really interesting perspective, the idea that the Revolution was almost a living thing in its own right. It almost reminds me of Hegel.
Considerations on France is nothing compared to the Soirées of Saint Petersburg, but I wouldn't expect anything less from larpers.
>>24751242>French Revolution was ordained by God and was an entityall biblical based beliefs are like that, both jews and christians interpret war against them as a punishment from God>In light of that I guess the one man huge enough, great enough, to "master" the Revolution was ultimately Napoleon?now the revolution is distinct from other punishments because once started, it's impossible to return back and people attempts to master it (Napoleon, Hitler) will always fail, the final conclusion is that of apocalypticism, only a divine non-human intervention can fix the world, for christians this would be the new earth and new heaven from revelation and for pagans it would be a new cosmic cycle with a golden age radically different from historical humanity
>>24751242how does that reconile with his other claim such as >>24746698. seems contradictory
>>24751601started it months ago but got sidetracked by a porn addiction. what did they conclude on their boat trip? how come bad people live a good life and go unpunished?
>>24751666But Napoleon DID master the Revolution, at least for a while. He bent the entire force of the Revolutionary spirit to his will and used it to bring Europe to its knees almost single-handedly, much more so than, say, Robespierre. If basically the entire civilized world hadn't ganged up to stop him, he'd have bent the entire planet to his will, probably. I definitely feel like it's fair to say that he "mastered" the Revolution, at least more than any other human, and this is why Hegel calls him the World Spirit on a white horse.
>>24749353>Considérations sur la France is Das Kapital for chuds.Das Kapital is popular bullshit for the masses. Even if we give Marx more than that. Today, every leftard reads this fucking book and believes he can correct actual economists in their own fields...>All reactionary thinkers from the 19th and 20th centuries can have their intellectual genealogies traced back to him.I do not know much reactionaries.
