>Existing is inherently painful and non-existence is the only real escape from suffering.Is he right?
>>24747576Nope
Non-existence doesn't exist
>>24747589kek
>>24747576What pessimists tend to underestimate is that humans can develop masochistic beliefs and practices to cope with that notion, also that German Idealism in all of its charlatanism and sophistry is more attention grabbing than a sob story about this “evil” world. He’s right but Mainlander and others have dangerous beliefs since if life is about avoiding suffering then you may forfeit life altogether to be complacent and resign yourself into submission of it through forced solitude and inaction which Nietzsche critiqued as being the “Last Man”. In a sense we are all pessimistic but more like Hartmann in that we deny its residence in our minds in order to push our troubles onto others or for a later date
>>24747576no one is right and no one is wrong
>>24747576Not for me.
>>24747576Wow what a unique thoughtNOT
>>24747576>non-existence is the only real escape from sufferinghappiness is also a real escape from suffering
>>24747576let me guess he didn't off himself right after saying that
>>24748042That's a pretty good point anon.
>>24748181He did, actually
It may be true but doesn't mean one is preferable over the other. Pain is only one facet of life (usually)
>>24747576>Mainländer expressed the desire "to be absolutely in all things submitted to another one once, to do the lowermost work, to have to obey blindly">kills himselfI don't think this guy could be right about anything
>>24747576depends,for some people theres a lot of pleasure to be had.but personally after ~20 years (ever since i had conscious thought) of almost constant anguish i agree,i am at my breaking point and will end it soon otherwise i would just end up lashing out on someone else because the pain has put an endless anger inside my heart,i am perpetually raging and thus unable to even distract myself so its better if i kill myself.
>>24747576>Now, if death is without all sensation, a dreamless sleep, as it were, it would be indeed a wonderful gain. For I think if any one selected a night in which he had slept so soundly as to have had no dream, and then compared this night with the other nights and days of his life, and after serious consideration declared how many days and nights he had spent better and more pleasantly than this one, that not merely an ordinary mortal, but the great king of Persia himself, would find these but few in number as compared with all his other days and nights.- Plato
Lichtenberg says something to the effect that the memory of past pleasure is pleasurable; the memory of past pain is also pleasurable; it is only present pain that is painful: therefore existence is more pleasant than painful. Something to consider.
Hes right about existing being inherently painful but theres no escape from it due to the scientific fact that time is circular. The second you die, you're consciousness is teleported back to your birth, you live the same life over and over again for eternity. all you can do is try to make you're eternal suffering a little worse.
>Philosophers and people in general should understand that what they call “value of human life” is not value of human life in its being, but they are pointing to the values which humans are compelled to create precisely because life, in its being, is not good. (We do not need to give value to something already valuable). Our defensive and vindicatory actions try to make life something good (or at least tolerable), and these actions are confused with the being of life itself. Human life is, in any case, a conjunction of structural disvalue and positive intra-worldly invented values. And the persistent tendency is to take the seconds as if they were refutations of the first. (I call this the “fallacy of the way back”). But the existence of positive values is not the refutation of the disvalue of the being of life, but, on the contrary, its powerful confirmation: the worse are the rigors of being the more intense and dazzling are valuing intra-worldly inventions.
>>24748421Books for this feel?
>>24748485spiderman
>>24748042>le copeStopped reading there.
>>24748421Big if true.
>>24749423I read the rest and you absolutely made the right decision.
