With the Church now positioned against AI, what philosophers or prominent ideologies, besides accelerationists and techno optimists, remain on the side of AI?
>>24748940Ai is anti-humanity, the pope is right. Reject this harmful technology.
chatbots are such crap
The pope's attitude is too casual. Everything that isn't in the direct control of the righteous is in the hands of Satan.
>>24748940>remain on the side of AI?Shit cunts who haven't critiqued Hegel.
>>24748940acc is pro ai>>> sure cunt.
realists
>>24748940One thing I like about Catholicism is how pro-philosophy they are. At any typical parish you will have at least a small circle of autists reading Aristotle or Aquinas or even modern philosophy. In the states, most priests have at least a BA in philosophy. I remember overhearing this older guy talking to a younger guy about the relation of the filioque to Proclus and thinking "this is definitely the true religion".
>>24748944AI is more harmless than all the migrants the church is bringing in. Wake me up when an AI starts stabbing people.
>>24749287Filioque is a demonic teaching
>>24749288Go back to /pol/ you stupid nigger, we all know migrants commit less crime than natives. You don't even need stats, it is confirmed in daily life. If I woke up tomorrow and all the obese, white trash morons - like you, in all likelihood - had been raptured away, and I look out my window and it's all Juans and Marias, I would say 'bueno'. Hispanic people are based af, I have rarely met or worked with a hispanic who wasn't a complete bro. From the Puerto Rican neighbor who used to make me food just to be nice, to the Salvadoran guy who would drink beer on the porch and talk about how fucked up his native country was, to the myriad Hispanic people I've worked with who are almost always the hardest working, nicest, and least drama-prone on any work site, you've consumed a bunch of retarded propaganda. It is sad that you allow yourself to be manipulated by the elite classes so they can extract money from you because you think it's le based to hate brown people.
>>24748944Do Catholics still even believe in Satan?
>>24749298Lmao. Did your parents just get detained by ICE?
>>24748970I fear we may disagree on who the righteous are and the nature of Satan but I completely agree with your claim as it stands.
>>24749307>lulll le based bro Trump MAGA lolllll own the libs You guys are so fucking stupid. Hopefully the next Democrat in power will out-Trump Trump and throw you in camps.
AI is solving Navier-Stokes.Anyone thinking AI won't continue to get better is retarded.
>>24749298I'm from spain and latin americans and africans are niggers. They are uncivilized and stupid.
>>24749319>AI is solving Navier-StokesSource?
>>24749322Spaniards are pretentious faux-macho faggots. I'd rather live next to a Honduran than a Spaniard.
>>24749312Wtf? They actually did get one of your relatives. I need to thank them for their service.
>>24749344>>24749344>I'd rather live next to a Honduran than a Spaniard.Of course. You are brown. You'd fit right in in Honduras.
>>24749288If you really believe this, then may god help you.
>>24749300Yes
>>24749287Can confirm this. This Catholic guy that I do a little IT work for is reading Epictetus.
>>24749287>catholicism is true because of all the philosophy that has nothing to do with it
>>24748940Non-Catholic here. And general religious casual. My question:>How has the new pope been? I used to hear rumbling about the last guy and I am wondering if the new guy is the same or what. >>24749287That sounds cool. I have no lit circle so maybe I should check out the church.
>>24749292How so?
>>24749388I am a baptized, non practicing Roman Catholic. The Catholic Church has been co-opted and infiltrated by Masons and Jews long ago.
>>24749408That could be an interesting read
>>24749335https://deepmind.google/discover/blog/discovering-new-solutions-to-century-old-problems-in-fluid-dynamics/https://www.cointribune.com/en/a-google-ai-solves-a-famously-impossible-mathematical-problem/
>>24748940I understand their position but continue to use it for personal feedback
>>24749388Pope Francis was very in line with the "modernizing" tendency of the Church, which made many more traditionally minded people very uncomfortable at times.Pope Leo XIV is much more moderate and less bombastic, but not exactly a "traditionalist" either. In many ways, he is just what the Church needed right now.This is a heavily abridged opinion.
>>24749454The only people who worry about Francis as a Trojan horse are wealthy white American converts + a handful of cranks in other countries. Trying to out-Catholic the Pope is an extremely protestant attitude and you will notice that almost all of these people are converts or reverts.
It will do great damage but the same is true of everything that makes life easier. The actual doom scenario is the one where AI is so useful and fun that we grow completely dependent on it. There's almost no chance of any other scenario, it's just a question of degrees. Will we be absolutely mindless meatsacks or still somewhat capable of enacting our will on the world.Resistance is futile unless you can go full Amish.
>>24749504AI is nothing but a glorified autocorrect, it will never be interesting or worth interacting with, but retards like you will be drawn to it like moths to a flame.
>>24749454Cool. Thanks for replying.
>>24749413That's not AI you massive faggot. That's machine learning, which is just linear equations + differential regression, it's just finding the maxima/minima of a function. Goddamned niggers. AI, as everyone understands it now, it's synonymous for LLMs/diffussion models, which are GENERATIVE machine learning models, in contrast with ANALYTIC machine learning models. Humanity has been using analytic machine learning for decades, it's nothing new, it's just a method to optimize functions. Here, AI did not discover anything, retard. Google just used regression to optimize a function.Kill yourself.
>>24749408Was the Russian Orthodox church also infiltrated by Masons & Jews? Were they controlling Stalin?
>>24749516Why do you just say shit about subjects you know nothing about?LLMs, which I predicted in 2007 to be around ten years away are one small use case of the same methods that suddenly made bipedal robots capable of walking naturally for example. Retards like you will be the most dependent.>>24749519No clue.
>>24749536>which I predictedLmao, you and everyone else. Take a nap Ruddy.
>>24749536You don't know shit. I studied this.
>>24749404because it implies two divine sources of the Godhead, ruining the dynamic of the trinity. the Father is the sole source of divinity in the trinity, from whom the Son is begotten and the Spirit proceeds. the filioque disrupts the monarchy of the father and leads to misunderstanding the trinity. it was also not agreed upon in an ecumenical council which is a big no no in the early synodal church days. this all could have been avoided if the wording was more carefully selected.
>>24749548But the father and the son are the same, so what's the difference. It's kind of naive to think this is the true reason the east schismed and not politics. As if the eastern churches would all rush to reintegrate witht the church if they changed the wording. The east had to deal with all the various heresies in its populations and appease them by making sure the father was above the rest of the trinity, because the hordes couldn't cope with the son truly being the father
>>24749545The worst midwits always say this. You studied almost irrelevant categorizations that when used by you only lead you to braindead predictions.The current versions of the "autocomplete" bots can effortlessly identify plants and read the emotional states of dogs. They training is "analytic" and allows analysis of data that transcends autocomplete.All life can be reduced to "methods to optimize functions".You didn't study shit, you were scammed.
>>24749569>The worst midwits always say this. You studied almost irrelevant categorizations that when used by you only lead you to braindead predictions.False.>The current versions of the "autocomplete" bots can effortlessly identify plants and read the emotional states of dogs.Through shape and color recognition. Good old OpenCV could do that 20 years ago. It's not an achievement. "Oh wow, when I optimize a function to detect a set of properties, it detects a set of properties, amazing!!!!!!" <---- you.>They training is "analytic" and allows analysis of data that transcends autocomplete.False.>All life can be reduced to "methods to optimize functions".You didn't study shit, you were scammed.It can't.
>>24749408Non-Evangelical Protestant here. The Masons and Jews didn't have to do anything since it was basically almost always corrupt and heretical and Catholics shouldn't be surprised that and organization that encourages the worship of Pagan gods as fictional Saints wouldn't end up like this. Maybe you should look inward instead of blaming it on two groups you don't like that probably don't give a shit about you.
>>24749477Why are you so bothered by this?
>>24749526Russian Orthodox has almost always been another tool of the Kremlin be it the USSR or Stalin. The Russian Government is remains atheist and sees religion has something to either be controlled or crushed. Everything the Russian Church is basically Putin's own words.
>>24749593Between paganGODS and christcucks, I choose paganGODS. They are actual western culture, not like the desert jew cult.
>>24749562they are of the same essence, yes. the relationship is the distinction here, the Son subject to the Father. i did not mean to imply it was the sole reason for the schism, just that this particular controversy could have been avoided with "proceeds from the Father through the Son" rather than "and" to combat arianism.
>>24749606This.
>>24749548>>24749562>>24749569The Father and the Son are absolutely not the same. The same essence does not mean the same person. Here's a great example of the difference: You can't gaze upon the Father and live. Not even Moses could do that. And yet how many thousands of people witnessed Christ and were fine? I'm surprised this was glossed over without the push back that it deserved.
>>24748940>>24748944AI i extremely catholic. we are trying to make something in our image like god did with us. we are becoming closer to god by exploring ai.
>>24749298>Moron that does not understand what per capita means.Europe is on fire right now and its South Asians, Middle Easteners, and Africans that are massively overrepresented in anti-social and violent crimes: raping, murdering, and robbing. They are destroying every nation from England to Sweden, France to the Netherlands, everywhere bar Eastern Europe. I haven't read a great deal into American crime statistics on the Latin question, but Black Americans specifically are a serious problem, and judging by systematic and monumental levels of extreme violence that occur in places like Mexico and Brazil, I think it's safe to say those people are a problem too, and no sane individual of either European or East Asian descent would want them in his country. Another way to put it is that yes we commit enough crimes of our own, we have enough violence and rape already and that is as a people with both higher IQ's and lower impulsivity when compared to other ethnic groups. So why would we want to import millions of people with lower IQ's and higher impulsitivty, so that they can commit awful acts at a rate that is higher than a native citizen? It is not worth the negligable economic growth.
>>24749647>We were only one virginal sacrifice away from telling whether it was God's will or not
>>24749640That's a really good point though.
>>24749728>Europe is on fire right nowlmao no it isn't, not saying that immigration hasn't increased crime but saying that it's on fire is just a dumb /pol/tard exaggeration. Europe is the safest continent on the planet and the rest of the world is a shithole by comparison excluding some places like Japan.
>>24749751NTA but historic changes such as what is happening in europe can't be stopped or reverted just like that. When people say europe it's on fire, it doesn't mean it is *now* on fire. Think of a massive ship with massive momentum. One can't easily turn it around. The demographic changes happening in europe right now are massive, but it's only the beggining. The ship is accelerating towards an iceberg, and once it's heading there at full speed, nothing will change its direction.Japan is also on fire, in the sense that it is a country condemned to die off to population and economic collapse due to demographic centralization and fertility rates plummeting, and vast industrial and agricultural areas being abandoned.Likewise, when people say the world is on fire due to climatic change, it doesn't mean now, but the current trajectory.
>>24749772It is not on fucking fire. Stop spreading lies for the sake of your soul.
How many podcasters were shot in Europe this year? Hmmm, zero?How many girls were randomly stabbed to death in subway in Europe? Hang on, none?Wow, we're on fire!
>>24749780It is on fire. Quality of life and social truat is plummeting at record speeds. It's grim. We're being invaded by africans and latin americans here in Spain. I take public transport every day, I see it with my own eyes.
>>24749640>The Father and the Son are absolutely not the sameSo you deny the trinity?
>>24749787There are attacks and rapes every day, perpetrated by immigrants. Just a few days ago a 15 yo boy was attacked and then raped by a north african man.
An interesting question is "what side is AI on?" meaning "do LLMs have a "bias" towards a certain philosophical perspective?"The answer is yes, as the answers to the following prompt from various LLMs shows. The bias is towards process philosophy / relational ontology.GPT 4o: https://chatgpt.com/share/676ede8e-6d2c-8013-aa72-61c1b9083151Claude 3.5: https://pastebin.com/SpgmngiRGemini 2.0 Flash experimental: https://pastebin.com/dzispMesChatGPT Deep Research: https://chatgpt.com/share/680b1fb1-accc-8013-bb2a-67bc48ce95e7ChatGPT 5: https://chatgpt.com/share/68d591f3-690c-8013-b6c0-555a08128a16
>>24749526dangerous rabbit hole to go down
>>24749606you will never have a pagan Europe. stop LARPing
>>24748940destroy the thinking machines
>>24749835You won't have a Christian europe either.The future belongs to the godless.
>>24749835>You will never have a pagan Europ-ACK!
>>24749820Of course LLMs have a bias, they're trained on material that also has a bias, because all material does when taken in large quantities.
>>24749843The biggest reason for the "bias" is that it strongly corresponds to the "most likely answer" given the data, and so the origin of the bias is of course the data.But there's a lot more to it.For one this bias is and will continue to influence LLM users to use more process-relational language in their thinking.You're going to hear phrases like the "tapestry of existence" a lot more.
>>24749300>get behind, satan!What does that mean?
>>24749808You're denying the Trinity by denying that they are different persons.
>>24748940I hate christianity, but I am with the pope on this one.
>>24749994You're denying it by saying Jesus is not God
>>24750059I never said that. I said that Jesus is not the Father. They are both God and share the same essence. Putting words into my mouth is not going to make the conversation move anywhere nor make you look any smarter.
>>24750157If Jesus is God, and the Father is god, then wouldn't it be safe to say that Jesus is God, or that Jesus and God are the same?
>>24750183I mean wouldn't it be safe to say that Jesus id the Father or Jesus and the Father are the same
I would like to be Pope for a day.
>>24748940The church has always been reactionary. It's part of what made it so irrelevant nowadays. That, and all the pederasty.
>>24750194Yeah, just imagine all that tight underage boypussy.
>>24750183>>24750157>>24749548>>24749562>>24749569>godtards don't even know what they fucking believe
>>24750217I'm just trying to understand. If Jesus = God, and the Father = God, then how can someone say that Jesus = Father is false
>>24750217Back to catechism class for this crowd. Not that it seems to have done them good in the first instance…>>24750227Give this a spinhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasian_Creed#Content
>>24748940AI is the dumbest thing to be accelerationist about because there is nothing to accelerate to. AI will never have any sort of true sentience or sapience, the singularity is a fairy tale. I spit in the face of the Basilisk and find that my liquor falls upon the earth, because there is no Basilisk to spit upon.
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>>24750234>>24750243I know what it says, I'm asking why. Can you try to explain it at all? Without murdering me and burning all my books, preferably
>>24750261You’re more willing to accept that Jesus is God than you are that Jesus is not the Holy Spirit?
>>24750263I never said that
>>24750274So what’s your foundation? What do you believe in so I have something to build upon. Or do you want to start with Genesis?
>>24750261I’m not trying to be snarky, but a creed is a statement of faith. There is a logic to the Trinity, but its exact realization is a Holy Mystery. I’m sorry for a frustrating answer; believers find it frustrating too, but also beautiful!I hope you’re asking because you’re genuinely interested in God, and not just posting for its own sake. I’m not trained in apologetics, and I’d be sceptical if anyone here claimed to be, and that’s probably why you’re finding it hard to get a worthwhile answer. You’re better off talking to a priest, or a browsing dedicated Catholic forum.
