>>24749626
>Or using the "no really" "no actually" to make a statement wherein if it's interpreted wrong you have the worst possible interpretation used to poison the other person (or give them good things) - based on "karma". Using the 1979 version of the Parker Brother's games has been popular lately. My douchebag cousin had "Merlin" and dressed up as a fucking wizard and I had "Stop Thief!". I take it my sister is fucking with us and it's annoying as hell. Someone spent a shitload of money to screw with us just because and it's all over the internet and being followed all over town. They gave me glasses that make me look like the douchebag from dexters laboratory from the chinese and it is probably making me go blind. Then you're "scared of" cartoons while you don't know how someone is making you go blind while you have to pay attention to stupid cartoon shows from when you were a kid to see how you're going to be sickened to death. They are incredibly fucked up here to say the least. Using Parker Brother's games to fuck with someone is incredibly popular if you don't act crazy or "seek help" while people gas and drug you while misleading you. Because you have a "monopoly on truth". It's psychotics that will poison you and then see if they can make you do stupid shit while surrounding you with bullshit constantly.
Brother believe me I now that feel. You just have to maintain equilibrium against them. To the first part of your OP I recommend Aristotle's Sophistical Refutations, it's a scientific catalogue of cheap retarded bad-faith arguments.

>>24749626
>How do you argue with someone in bad faith?
The only winning move is not to play.

One of the ways they try and sicken and kill people is that they gift someone they don't like a large amount of bitcoin with the caveat that anyone that makes friends with the person will get the key to the bitcoin as a "double key encryption" joke. And then everyone sees if they can drug or fuck with the guy. It's based on a large number of jokes based on the internet, with "rust" being an anagram for rest easy which is reeassty which is rusty and the rust programming language and the fifth element of the periodic table is boron which is the boring company which is elon musk which is "pinball wizard" (enow from paradise lost and "sense of smell"). I'm wondering if elon musk even exists or if he's a figment of the internet's collective imagination as a masturbation joke.

How would I tell if Elon Musk (or Donald Trump) are real people or not? It's like the moon landing in a sense. Would it be easier to land on the moon from a technical perspective or come up a convincing television commercial for it? If you could get enough people to believe in the moon landing then when you *did* manage to land on the moon and there *weren't* American boots on the ground then whoever who got there next would have to put them there because if they didn't everyone would have a collective freak out. All of the people showing UFOs on cameras telescopes around 2019 were probably doing so because they were demonstrating that the electronic video devices are fucked up. Because they wanted to have an out for anyone that managed to look were the bootprints were supposed to be on the moon that weren't there. And now we have AI to do the same thing - wipe away video evidence. The Americans only won the Cold War because they were better at propaganda than the Soviets - they could fake the moon landing more convincingly than Sputnik which was a true accomplishment. And now you have Elon Musk (named so he sounds like what happens when you get ecoli while listening to the who) using an assembly line to make rockets to go to space "for real". It makes you wonder if Donald Trump was only elected because he sounds like "House of the Rising Sun" by "The Animals".

Meaning that "COVID" means that you see these two people coming up on your social media. And neither person exists.

Most likely the COVID pandemic was just to freak people out and then whoever took the bait and got the shot were the ones that got sick and everyone else just fucks with people until they get an MRNA vaccine. The vaccine itself probably does something like gives you an XXY viral mutation so you're more likely to be less masculine. It would make sense in a way - those that are more fearful are the ones that are going to get a shot so they'll become less likely to start wars in the future. If MRNA viruses end up being something everyone can make in their home lab you'd want to pacify as large a segment of the population as you could as quickly as possible.

But back to Elon Musk and Donald Trump.

They sound like Pinball Wizard by the Who and House of the Rising Sun (house of cards) by the Animals. Neither person exists - it's a sociopathy test to see if you bring it up in conversation and the other person denies that they're real people. Hence COVID. If the most interesting thing you have to argue about is politics it means that neither Donald Trump nor Elon Musk are real people and it's just a way to get people to get an injection that will give them an MRNA virus. (Mr. Nah - it makes it so that you have an XXY chromosome deficiency).

It's written so even a child could understand it but only if you're willing to read it in a stupid way. So neither of these people that are in the media are real.

The old people get the song references to the Who and the House of the Rising Sun. The young people get the Mr. Na joke. And everyone that isn't experienced or sees this for what it is and is 'real' ends up having to rely on the good graces of the person doing the injecting to give them a saline shot rather than something that will fuck up their DNA.

And neither the president nor the guy that's supposed to be the next Edison are real. The president is Biden in a coma (and has been since 2019), and the guys that are doing the heavy lifting in the sciences are all practicing in biology and materials sciences to clean the water supply while AI is the thing we get to have as a toy and Elon Musk is a group of actors that all look the same but rockets are comparatively "easy" as opposed to making sure that the Colorado river doesn't dry up and everyone on the western seaboard dies of malnutrition. That's easy in quotes by the way.

Fellow social cynic weighing in.


You need to understand first that few people you'll talk to, even established and respected people in society, are classically trained to any extent in rhetoric. So for most people, logic and argumentation are just weapons that some media quim gave them by way of a snarky social shaming video or tagline. I've done my fair share of bad faith argumentation, but I'll present my excuse as a guy with unresolved emotional trust issues from a weirdly distant childhood. Consider also that this may well be most peoples' experiences in some form or another. Stable upbringings are uncommon and no matter the educational route a person goes, it's still statistically unlikely they had attentive, caring teachers ensuring they get the attention they deserve.

Having low trust in others from being shown you're expendable to them is a great force for misanthropy. Similarly, I'll lean into this less, having weak intellectual capacities from being generational iterations of callous modern consumers. Paypigs -- don't expect stellar examples of thought or feeling from this pseudo caste.

Lastly anon I'm going to be weird and direct here. You sound young, maybe early 20's at oldest to me. You seem to be dealing with socially manipulative people and I empathize with that-- proximity to these people gives them cultural power. You need to not try to be a sane person only engaging with zealots and materialists.

And on this note, anon, I think you're having paranoid overreach related in the monopoly story. Maybe I didn't parse the full meaning, but you've gotta get out of the emotional zone on this problem and into a more focused nuts and bolts approach. Staying very high strung emotionally will sabotage any connections with the public that you may want going forward and runs the risk of giving yourself a serious complex that could damage both your internal experience and outside reputation. There's an overused clinical term I'm avoiding using here.

I'm west coast Canadian and we have many of the same sorts socially. I don't believe we're culturally different from the States at all. International banking has homogenized the social experience to such a shallow level that yeah, I'll agree with you that sick types quickly cordon off people who clash with them. It's a survival tactic operating on a malfunctioning creature. I don't believe you can be healthy and full of resentment at the same time. I've tried in the past.

>>24749626
>wherein you know that they will "win" the argument because they've made the discussion specifically designed to make it so that they win rhetorical points without arriving at truth.

This is how they win. They frame it as a binary problem, where you must choose between two and only two options,
>Hyperbole A
>Logical choice B
You must reject the premise completely and know enough about a subject to suggest 3 or 4 alternatives and frame what they are arguing for as a choice that benefits them and has it's own set of problems which they then must refute.

https://copilot.microsoft.com/shares/6S1AEagjpoQdvidYtebJo

Someone was talking to me about bitcoin earlier and so now I'm wondering if every time I ask something someone doesn't like they'll mention some amount of bitcoin that is being spent in order to fix it and then have this subtracted from the total. A joke on CREAM and cash rules everything around me. And then I die when there's no more bitcoin.

Meanwhile I don't believe that Americans landed on the moon now. Or that either Elon Musk or Donald Trump are real people.

if this is the case then this conversation has cost one million four hundred thousand dollars.

>>24749636
This
>>24749661
This is almost correct but still difficult. Because the usual response is “but let me direct your attention to this other set of goal posts over here.” Because they are bad faith shitstains.
Jesus is able to pull this off masterfully (breaking out of false dichotomies) in the gospels when pharisees are playing games with him. He is able to completely shut them up because he switches to a much higher perspective and also completely exposes their bullshit. The more you study the OT and all the extra second temple history and context the more you realize how utterly fuck you Jesus gets with them, it’s pretty hilarious. But it’s like you have to take it there to just make them shut the fuck up just so they don’t get shit in their mouths when you are rubbing their faces in it.
It’s hard to do this and keep *yourself* clean. So generally it’s better to do a 360 and walk away.
For context, I’m a grown ass man with three kids. My inlaws live with us and they are completely selfish, dishonest, narcissistic, lying, scheming, utterly willing to sacrifice my kids so they can avoid moderate inconvenience. It’s not easy, you just have to stay disengaged and stay clean. This actually pushes my mother in law’s buttons more than anything. I’m civil with them but when they start on bullshit I won’t even correct them, I’ll just put up boundaries to firewall off me and mine and take a few days off from talking to them.
Sorry to add to the walls of text, hope something in there helps.

Did everyone in this thread just read the opening sentences and not the rest of this anon's OP or subsequent posts? This doesn't sound like somene irked by conversations with people, this is someone having a mental break and being too far gone to realize it.

>>24749761
Half and half. They interact.

>>24749626
If someone is arguing with you in bad faith you should simply end it

if people are just presenting you with low IQ takes as higher truth. then its your god given right to brow beating them for being stupid. thats the way i see it.

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>>24749626
The only winning move is violence

I swear this thread is just a meta to see if anyone on /lit/ actually reads. Of course they don't.

>"People are plotting to make me wear glasses like a cartoon character, and they're trying to make go blind as a result. They're gangstalking me and my family, and playing pranks on me with BTC. Trump and Musk aren't physically real people."
>"Oh, totally. Read Aristotle for a lowdown on fallacies."

Bleak.