>>24750634It is? English edition supposedly does not come out until the 7th. I did the pre-order when it was first announced, will read when ever it arrives.
>>24750634I preordered it because getting Pynchon hardcover is a real pain in the ass, but I'll read it when I finish his previous works. Loved V, liked CoL49, and I'm currently getting filtered by the banana book.
>>24750634I thought it comes out the 9th.I plan to read it November after my yearly Halloween horror reads
>>24750634link it, wigger
>>24751260I plan to do that too but the mention of occultists has a bit of the halloween twinge
>>24750634I find fascinating how Pynchon has aged into pure unfiltered boomer-core, but it's precisely that sensitivity what makes him so appealing to gen-x and millennials. Is every generation doomed to become boomer-core as they age?
>>24752322How is the Pynecone boomer core exactly? Can you explain me? Because I don't get it. No, seriously. You realize his work is all about resisting the powers that be and lamenting how all movements to fight back eventually get hijacked by the establishment to defang them. Pynchon is the opposite of your average boomer. Inherent Vice is about how hippies betrayed the movement to become yuppies. Vineland is about how radical new leftist movements betrayed the left to embrace Regaenism. But Pynchon never turned his back on those ideals, even if naive, even if kitsch. This dude can tell right from wrong. Boomers now are literally voting for Trump now. They don't give a fuck about anything but money no more. What do they care if life is getting harder for black people, for immigrants, for women, for trans folks, as long as they get their share and can retire in Florida? Pynchon is the anti boomer. That's why we stan him. I think a lot of us millennials can deeply relate to the themes of his books because we lived the same with Occupy Wall Street. We let a golden opportunity for a better world slip through our hands because conservatives and reactionaries lost their mind when they saw more diversity in media and that split the overwhelming support the movement was having and all our demands for a fairer wealth distribution died down because of it.
>>24752322Why are you so obsessed with marketing groups as personality indicators?
>>24752357I am guessing Vineland and IV are the only books of Pynchon's you were able to make any semblance of sense of, or the only ones you have read.
>>24752357>black people, for immigrants, for women, for trans folks,You forgot to mention disabled Latinx polyamorists. For this act of erasure, you’ll be first against the wall when the time comes, fascist.
>>24752322what the fuck does this even mean
>>24750634Does Pynchon use ghostwriters?
>>24752357I think the difference lies between people who think hippies were a revolt against the establishment, and people who think that the hippie movement was just the liberal establishment kicking itself into a higher, more individualist, more deracinated, more sleazy gear after the classically bourgeois era of history ended. Wellbeck's Elementary Particles in particular comes to mind. Also keep in mind that the latter group were not all chuds, the Frankfurt school types of the older left supposedly also distrusted the 1968 generation.
>>24752424they prefer "thanatoid," dude
>>24750634>Are y’all reading it?yes and no
upon examining the german pdf, i can confirm that there are songs
>>24752357Pynchon is based old school leftie. Left used to be based. He has nothing to do with present day pozzed deranged and mentally ill left.Pynchon never was and never will be one of you, hes one of us. He thinks with his own head
>>24752472Isn't he the guy who wrote about a nig taking a dump in the protagonist's mouth in Gravity's Rainbow? How about "A Journey Into The Mind of Watts"?
>>24750634I like Pynchon. I think he has some great moments. I love Pokler's section in GR, even if it leans too heavy on the holohoax. But I could never really love Pynchon as a whole. I think Pynchon is far smarter and knowledgeable than Roth, for example, and a superior stylist when he wants to (which is not that often, but Pynchon is one of those stylists, who like Updike, although not at that level, can just flex with his prose and startle you). And yet I've never read anything by Pynchon that has impacted me nearly a fraction as much as American Pastoral. And I have plenty of reasons to be biased against Roth too (being a jew and all), and yet when a novel is that good you must praise it. I wish I could do the same with Pynchon, but none of his books work for me to that degree. I like them, yes, but don't love them. And I think at the center of it, beyond our political disagreements or that I find his zaniness often irritating (although he can be funny too, admittedly), at the center of it, I think, is pic related. I always found that passage so incredibly corny and cringe. When I first read GR I actually convinced myself it had to be in jest, and I guess there's some of it too, but I've come to accept that the intent behind it is played straight. And from what I've seen most of the people who love Pynchon, the type who were soi facing on X when Shadow Ticket got announced, tend to genuinely love that passage. It speaks to them at a deep level. But for me, I don't know, man, it feels just so shallow, and everything I've read from Pynchon, to varying degrees, but always present, feels haunted by the same ethos of that passage. Haven't read Mason & Dixon though. It kind of intimidates me, because English isn't my first language, but I've heard it's his best.
>>24752487>Isn't he the guy who wrote about a nig taking a dump in the protagonist's mouth in Gravity's Rainbow?no, but it's interesting that this is how you misremembered it
>>24752503couples in love are corny. what a weird thing to fixate on.
where do i start with this guy, bros? any charts?
>>24752521It's not that. It's the context and the way it's phrased. I guess it's the stench of American secularized Christianity what gets to me. A pseudo-gnostics deluded rejection of the world as it is paired with an utopian, wrongly assumed as self-evident, notion of how things should and could be. Yeah. I think that's my problem with Pynchon. It's a personal thing though. His work is shrouded in a leftist vision of the world that I just don't share and that it's hard for me to even entertain as plausible. But I think that's why he hits so hard for so much people as well. I think if you share that vision, you will get a strong "Damn, this guy gets it" feeling from reading him.
>everything is about politics!fucking retards.
>>24752522V. You can hear echoes of this book in all his other works, especially Gravity's Rainbow. It's practically a spiritual sequel; a V-2, if you will.
>>24752357>>24752503>>24752542Please learn to format your posts. No one is reading this shit.
>>24752522Start with what interests you the most. >>24752554GR is sort of a rewrite of the Stencil parts of V. and there is some overlap in theme but calling it a spiritual sequel is kind of silly. GR, M&D, AtD and probably Vineland all combined are his rewrite of V, doing it right; giving everything he attempted in V. its proper attention instead of trying to cram it all into one book.
>>24752604>can't into paragraphs
>>24752552To be fair, Pynchon is extremely political, and I say this as a lefty who rates him as the best writer of the 20th century.
>>24752604It has finally come the day when anons in /lit/ are pleading for reddit spacing. The end is near.
>>24752609Sandwiching your assertion between "to be fair" and "just trust me, bro" does not validate your assertion in anyway and really calls into account your mental faculties.
>>24752611The end is long past and you're feeding on the dessicated carcass of what by 2018 was already long past its prime, and now even the maggots have left and nothing festers anymore.
>>24752611Reddit spacing =/= pressing enter once per post, newfag.
>>24752322Are you aware that Thomas Pynchon is not a baby boomer?
>>24752552It's hilarious how chuds make everything about politics, but suddenly when an author they like is a leftist they get all WhY aRe YoU mAkInG eVeRyThyNg aBoUt PoLiTiCs!!!!!Hey! You dropped this:>*clown wig and nose*
>>24752690
>>24752679I unironically don't think zoomers know what a boomer is. It's just a catch all word they use for anyone older than them, specially if they don't bend the knee to the current thing. I'm 32 and the zoomers at my job call me a boomer for saying Israel has the right to exist, even if their attacks on Gaza should be stopped.
>>24752719Where you living in a cave for those three years when zoomers replied to everything that was not praise with "ok, boomer?"
>>24752679He said "boomer-core," you pedantic fuck.An example of boomer-core:>>24752719>Israel has the right to exist
>>24752542>he talks about the death camps, that's too left for melol lay off the pol brainrot
>>24752472In inherent vice, pynchon said that two white guys have the same sexual prowess as one black guy. How does this make u feel chud?
>>24752749>pynchon saidRetard.
>>24752751u mad?
>>24752760Why would your being a retard make me mad?
>>24752767>maybe if i just ignore what he said he wont notice the seethe
>>24752788>he needs it spelled out to him as if he were a three year oldCharacter is not author and if you were to try and make Pynchon's characters into mouthpieces for his beliefs you would end up with something that would make ADHD doomscrollers seem focused and coherent.
>>24752749good. the sexual satisfaction of women doesn't matter.
>>24752810>hes one of us bro trust me bro>no no no see thats the character not the author hes still based like us bro
>>24752814>t. adhd doomscrolling retard
>>24752810
>>24752814yes.
>>24752699No matter how much it triggers you, Pynchon will always belong to the left. No pasaran!
>>24752826only as long as they don't read him lol. as soon as some tranny makes a video essay you won't be allowed to like him because of all the "problematic content"
>>24750634I'm glad to see this thread. I've never read a Thomas Pynchon book, but I just saw One Battle After Another and I seriously loved it and I had already seen Inherent Vice and loved it too and I think Pynchon may be my favorite writer? Which book do you recommend me to start with? I'd like to start with Shadow Ticket to read it along everyone and be part of the hype, but maybe I'd be missing too much context? What do you think? Thanks!
>>24752838Ehhh, for better or worse the era of prone to be triggered minorities shaping the social discourse is over. If anything, your average leftist/liberal now like to pretends that never happened, that no one got cancelled for petty bullshit, and if someone tried to make it happen they were a small niche with no support. There are things, of course, they cannot simply brush under the carpet, like the summer of Floyd, but they will double down on by lying about police brutality being that out of control that they killed in cold blood a modern Jesus and don't forget that the Kenosha kid crossed state lines to kill two innocent black protestors and only got away because of white supremacy.
>>24750634You made me refresh my email, you little shit.
>>24752859>for better or worse the era of prone to be triggered minorities shaping the social discourse is over. If anything, your average leftist/liberal now like to pretends that never happenedbullshit. leftists might have lost some ability to project this worldview onto the culture at large, but inside the bubble that's still the primary mechanism of competition. they are presently eating each other alive over gaza/israel opinions. purity testing is all they have; it IS leftism.
>>24752826>Leftist >AmericanThats really adorable
>>24752826Go ahead, lets see you make the case. Only way you can make his work out to be of the left or the right is if you never read him or are the sort who thought being functionally literate meant you know how to read.
>>24752925I don't think it's a stretch to call a leftist the guy who, in Slow Learner, apologized for not having been enough of an ally and a feminist in his earlier works.
>>24750634Why did he use AI for the cover?
>>24752934Do you know there's nothing inherently leftist about feminism, right? If you think women and men should have equal rights then, surprise, you're a feminist too. That's literally what feminism is.
>>24752859>and don't forget that the Kenosha kid crossed state lines to kill two innocent black protestors and only got away because of white supremacy.Isn't that literally, factually, what happened?
>>24752953Imagine actually believing this in the current year.
>>24752962You know he's right.How would you define feminism beyond that simple point?Would you suggest that TERFs are left wing?
>>24752934So, you have not read him or you think being functionally literate means you know how to read? Mixed message here.>>24752962Did Pynchon write that in the current year? At best you can say he was a leftist in the 80s but we don't have a fucking clue about his ideology and this is a literature board, not a celebrity gossip site. Pynchon’s writing does not align with either side.
>>24752953You can't implement feminist policies without a nanny state. If it's not leftist nothing is.
>>24752604When you use reasonable line breaks in posts to make paragraphs:>”FUCKING REDDIT SPACING, GO BACK TO FUCKING RËDDIT!”When you don’t use line breaks:>Fucking format your post nigger, I’m not reading thatYa can’t win.
>>24752953>nothing inherently leftist about feminism>If you think women and men should have equal rightsthat's leftism lmao. trying to socially engineer socioeconomic "equality" is the foundation of leftism>>24752972>Would you suggest that TERFs are left wing?of course they are. are you some kind of insane troon that thinks jk rowling is a neonazi? terfs are just yesterday's leftists that rejected the newest victimhood hierarchy update.
>>24753041>that thinks jk rowling is a neonazi?Are we talking about the same J.K. Rowling who literally based a major character of her life work on Hitler? Because then yah, I don't think it's a stretch to call her at least a nazi sympathizer, even if she obviously would never admit it for obvious reasons. If you don't believe trans people deserve human rights then I'm sorry but you're not a leftist. And I'm not trans by the way. Frankly I can't understand why right wingers are so obsessed with them. They are like what 0.1% of the population? Why it's such a big deal to just let them live their lives?
>>24752826I agree that overall Pynchon is obviously on the left, and he’s also still one of my favorite authors, despite that I lean conservative on some issues. However, today, modern mainstream politics and the “Culture War”, heavily shaped and mutated by the Internet and present social media, is a whole ‘nother ugly stupid beast which rots people’s minds and turns them into retarded parrots devoid of critical thought or individuality.I wouldn’t equate Pynchon with some harpie on Reddit or Tumblr obsessed with identity politics, gender ideology, and weaponizing social media and elements of society itself against those with views deemed sufficiently “wrongthink”, as we’ve seen over the years. (And, yes, in a great twist of irony, today the American Establishment Right has also taken on a similar censoriousness in response to a shooting, that also happened, yes.) This thread is a tragic example of such brainrot. Some posters here can almost only think of or respond to Pynchon with their ridiculously caricaturized, hypermodern views on politics. It is so sad and fucking stupid. It’s like viewing all of human history, art, literature, philosophy, politics, culture generally, etc., through a tiny fucking pinhole.Yes, I agree /pol/ aficionados are being shallow when they disregard Pynchon as “just another dumb SJW leftist” since he portrays some of what went on in the concentration camps of the Third Reich in Gravity’s Rainbow for instance; I also think it’s shallow to turn Pynchon into some piece of social cred for you and your politics, a pawn to gloat about how he’s on the left and how this “triggers the chuds.”I’m sorry to have wasted so much breath with this overwritten post, it’s just this is such a shamefully awful thread apart from a small number of more thoughtful posters. I just want to stress this hyperpoliticization and obsession with identity politics online today (whether pro-White-Male, or the usual leftist identity politics based on “oppressed groups”) very quickly becomes fucking retarded in most cases, and makes discussions shallow, including of literature or other topics. It is a poison and brainrot simultaneously rotting people’s minds and having rotted the board for over a decade now, but only getting worse. You guys are just dumb, petty, shallow, and annoying. Not so much you specifically, but other posters in general.
>>24753067i'm sorry, you are stone cold retarded. there is no hope. marx wasn't a leftist because he didn't tweet about troons. not a brain cell in sight.
>>24753094>since he portrays some of what went on in the concentration camps of the Third Reich>what went onI don't remember any swimming pools in Gravity's Rainbow
>>24752604None of those anons, and I agree with you, but this is what we get thanks to too many newfags spewing the “Reddit spacing” reply as some sort of way to fit in and not enough oldfags telling them to kill themselves.
>>24752611Reddit spacing isn’t a thing you insufferable newfag. Kill yourself.
>>24753067lmao. Nothing else to be said.
>>24753094>Yes, I agree /pol/ aficionados are being shallow when they disregard Pynchon as “just another dumb SJW leftist” since he portrays some of what went on in the concentration camps of the Third Reich in Gravity’s Rainbow for instanceBro, I clearly said I loved Pokler's section despite it leaning too heavy on the holohoax. It's the best part of the book. I'm not disregarding Pynchon for pushing zionist propaganda. If anything I'm acknowledging he can write something moving even when what lies underneath it, in real life, is a rotten lie. Of course, I imagine, he was unaware of it though, so he gets a pass. And it's a work of fiction anyway, so it can be judged as its own thing, and as that that section is beautiful. But it's incredibly obtuse to act in this day and age, after everything we have learned about the jews, after the actual genocide going on in Gaza, like any narrative revolving around the holohoax hasn't lost some of its power.
>>24753121>concentration camps were a lielol kys
>>24753122They did exist, but the way they are presented in the west and portrayed in media, particularly western media, is a zionist fabrication. "Holocaust denial" was started by a camp survivor, Paul Rassinier, a communist, who after being freed saw how the jews were lying out of their teeth about what was going on in the camps and those lies were taken at face value. Nowadays Paul Rassinier is discredited as a crazy man who was suffering from stockholm syndrome, yet most of the things he said ended up being factual, like neither Mittelbau-Dora (coincidentally where Ilse was) nor Buchenwald, the camps where he was prisoner, ever being used as extermination camps, contrary to what the jews were saying at the time, but Americans know very little about this. The average American doesn't even know America didn't find a single extermination camp. Pokler section is still beautiful, but it wouldn't have hurt acknowledging that the prisoners were dying of typhus and hunger because the allies were bombing the supply lines, and not out of German sadistic malice as it's implied.
>>24753162>America didn't find a single extermination campWhat the fuck are you talking about. General Eisenhower literally ordered to take photographs of the dead camps so no one could ever put them in doubt. We literally all saw those pics with our own eyes at school. I know the holocaust happened because I've seen the proof. You're full of shit. Holocaust denial is so stupid it only works with home schooled retards. It can't fool anyone who went to high school.
>>24753162Yes and pynchon actually touches on this somewhat in GR, but keep swallowing that pol line like a good little chuddie. Also plenty of killing happened outside of the camps too you know
>>24753172>We literally all saw those pics with our own eyes at school. I know the holocaust happened because I've seen the proof>Ghislaine Maxwell’s father literally made books that proved it so it must be true!
>another holocaust debateI wish it would show some variation but it’s always the same shit. For instance, before death camps were even created half the killing of the holocaust had already happened. It was as simple as digging a ditch and shooting people, then lining up the next bunch until full. We could at least have some originality of tankies denying the soviets ever did the exact same shit. Or the progress of accepting that the holocaust was real but definitely politicized which is why everyone puts it in terms of death camps and the half that died in a ditch just get a shrug. If we’re talking ongoing genocides they’re definitely more about bodies in a ditch. Or rubble as the case may be in Gaza. But because they don’t fit this bizarre mold of mass killing it doesn’t count. Read Bloodlands. The Soviets had a much better system, so good in fact that they largely avoided the genocide stamp. Just have work camps where the inmates tragically die off en masse. Which is strangely enough what the holocaust deniers want to make out of death camps. But being fascist and anticommunist they’d skewer the Soviets for the same. So none of this never really makes any sense whatsoever. Fun to see boomer writers still engaging a whole thread.
Anybody read the review yet? Be warned, there are spoilers.https://archive.ph/7KsjN
>>24750634Did gen A.I. make that cover?
TF happened in this thread? jesus. Anyway, I wish I could say that I will be reading it, because I wish to, however I am not even halfway through his previous work yet and I don't want to (and have neither the space or money to) keep accumulating unread books, so I'll store it away in that enormous hazy unwritten list of media I eventually but without pressure "intend" to get to around to consuming at some point
>>24752322Pynchon books are the Rick & Morty of people with an actual high IQ. They are good, but they just attract these insufferable and awkward people who make part of their identity letting you know they like Thomas Pynchon. McCarthy is sadly falling into the same hole, although McCarthy fans are less likely to soiface as they name drop him.
>>24756245>I hate good bookslol kys
I never heard of this guy before this week. I read the synopsis of his books, it seems like a lot of detective novels. I like detective novels. Would I like this?
>>24756245In my head canon Pynchon canonically loves Rick and Morty and there's nothing you can do about it. Both are rad.
>>24756260Probably, they're like the naked gun of Marlowe novels
This thread just keeps getting worse.
>>24753162>The average American doesn't even know America didn't find a single extermination camp.Wait what. I googled this and apparently all the death camps were found by the Soviet Union. WTF. Then what about all the movies showing American troops finding the death camps and liberating the jews?Just a like a month ago I watched Shutter Island, so it's fresh in my mind, and the main character is a WW II veteran whose unit found a death camp and they were so appalled by it that they executed all the German guards. Did that never happen? WTF. I mean I know the movie was fiction, but I really thought we liberated the jews from the death camps. Is this a well known fact and I'm retarded?I went to high school in Texas and we unironically had holocaust classes and I was never taught any of this.
>>24756296It's just pol bait, don't engage
hmmm doesn't read like ya therefore pretentioushmmm doesnt fit the soi mould therefore chud hmmm my fav streamer didnt mention it therefore irrelevant
>>24756296If it's true or not what the fuck does that matter. /pol/tards don't care about the truth either. They will just twist any "inconvenient fact" that helps them to spread antisemitism. Fascism is a stupid ideology that killed millions of people and they lost and that's the end of the story. Don't engage with losers.
>>24753107New fags are killing this site. I wish it was like it was in 2018. I wish we could just keep each thread on topic and not have it delve into talk about wwii.Also the book isn't out yet nor is it available on anna's (I looked)Thank God it's just us oldfags ITT
>>24750634This guy's writng is such a chore to read. I don't understand his popularity at all. Different strokes, I guess.
>>24756354>I wish it was like it was in 2018.You are a newfag.
>>24756357Pynchons my fav writer for sure because my fav thing in books is goofs, gags, jokes and rambunctious behavior, and his books are full to the brim of it. Every novel is like one of those novelty snake cans, you open the book & POP you get a face fulla snakes and you fall back cackling. The mad mind, the crack genius, to do it! and then you think hmmm whats he gonna do next, this trickster, and you pick the book back up and BZZZZZZZZZZ you get a shock and Hahahahahah you've been pranked again by the old pynchmeister, that card. "Did that Pynch?" he says, laughing yukyukyukyuk. Watch him as he shoves a pair of plastic buck teeth right up into his mouth and displays em for you- left, right, center- "you like dese? Do i look handsome???" Pulls out a mirror. "Ah!" Hand to naughty mouth. And you're on your ass again laughing as he snaps his suspenders, exits stage right, and appears again hauling a huge golden gong.
ayo wtf this is like literally not my ya kino?
>>24752719You know, they made a mistake calling you boomer. They should have called you a dick chugging mega faggot, you retarded worthless dipshit.
>>24750634I don't read. I do consume an extreme amount of BBC porn, though.
>>24756354Now THIS is reddit spacing
>>24752472He wrote a NYT-op ed defending a black criminal
>>24756468Uh.. right. Like I said- different strokes.
ok boomers
>>24756296the western allies liberated nazi camps, but they were not the extermination camps. that's what you see portrayed in fiction like that band of brothers episode, just prisoners starving to death, no gas chambers. the reason is that earlier attempts to perform mass killing within germany itself (like aktion t4) were met with intense public outcry and it was decided all further extermination will have to take place during wartime, on occupied territory, so as to not scandalize german civilians. so all the actual death camps were built in occupied poland and ukraine and later liberated by the advancing soviets. mind you, the western allies knew of the existence of gas chambers, crematoria etc before the soviets found the camps, as they were made aware of them by the polish resistance (the pilecki report).
>>24756883Oh, well, at least they weren't gassed!
>>24750634>y’allYuck
>>24752542It's truly sad that when a good thread and a thoughtful post appear, all Anons can do is "Reditt spacing" and accuse you of being /pol.As for the post itself, I partially agree with it. American literature did indeed have the approach you're talking about from the late 1960s to the early 2000s (then they embraced delusions in their entirety, and that's why American literature is as alien to life as the media). In his first three books, Pynchon explores decay. Not just social or mental, but metaphysical (Pynchon is a very spiritual writer). Only with Vineland did he adopt the mentality you describe (and that's why the first three books are the best).
>>24752611You don’t even know what reddit spacing is, newfag.
Wake me up inside (can’t wake up)Wake me up inside (save me)Call my name and save me from the dark(Wake me up) bid my blood to run(Can’t wake up) before I come undone(Save me) save me from the nothing I’ve become
>>24750634I don't give a fuck about this shit. Somebody just give me a list of the character names.
>>24757983John LongdongHoward SukameBetty Poop-BoopMy TuatSid ibd ToyleetPris Inhermouth
>>24756260no, they are quirky post modern pastiches for high IQ people with weed abuse problems
>>24752322Did you mean sensibility?
>>24752454What's this?
>>24752542This made me remember something someone told me once. That Pynchon's books are to leftists what Mishima's are to reactionaries. Mishima was obviously much more of a political figure than Pynchon, but I think there's some truth to it.There's an underlying theme in the works of both about the romantic beauty of an ideology failing and decaying as it enters in contact with the real world, but also the romantic bitterness of the fact that perhaps those ideals only sprout from the start to become a fertilizer of the hegemonic power that will hijack them and turn them against themselves.They both have, seemingly, opposite ideologies though, so I wonder if anyone could truly love both of them. There are some similarities, mainly in the way they both reject the liberal order and the big powerful men taking the shots, but they couldn't be coming from more different angles.Mishima was fascistic and his idea of a hero is someone like Isao from Runaway Horses. Someone so pure and beautiful and healthy and strong that is better he dies in a reckless and naive brutal action than to grow old and let the world corrupt him, which would have inevitably happened, because he was too smart not to catch up with how the world works, so he would have learned to "play the political game" to make his ideals come to pass, but they would have lost their purity in the process. There's something almost nihilistic that loops around into becoming Nietzschean about Mishima. That belief that life must be lived without compromising even with the knowledge that that can't lead nothing but to death, a senseless death even, but for that also pure and beautiful.Pynchon's hero is someone like Doc Sportello instead, who isn't exactly lacking in qualities, but he lacks ambition and drive, and that's what saves him from being corrupted by the system, because he's not useful to it, so he can maintain, somewhat, his leftist values, but in the microcosm of his daily life, which I guess is where Pynchon finds the last refuge for his ideals, in just trying to be a good dude and doing what you can.Both are pretty good characters and I think a good reader should be able to appreciate both, but I have a feeling it's extremely hard for anyone to truly love both. You either resonate at a personal level with one archetype or the other (or neither, if you're a liberal cuck).
>>24758888chkd The anglophone romantics had the same feeling when they saw the frog revolution turn into a bloodfarm since they liked to decapitate anyone who veered an inch from their radical stance. Many cringed themselves to death upon entering their 30s.
>>24752424No, but I'm sure he skulks bars and events to suck up people's life stories to put in his books. That's why it's important to stay relatively unknown.
So does anyone have an epub or what
>>24758888It's interesting that Pynchon's choice is antithetical to leftism because it is a part of the theoretical lefty credo to never relent, never compromise, but so is Mishima's to the right since the right has historically never believed in perfection being either achievable or desirable to begin with. Almost every type of right-wing political theory rests on the fundamental assumption of anthropological pessimism, like Hobbes, de Maistre, Schmitt, and so on.
>>24750634The Passenger was better. In the end, McCarthy had the last laugh.
>>24757983curiously, they are all named>nigger 1>nigger 2>nigger 3and so forth. makes the book very confusing. perhaps they accidentally printed his working draft from before he came up with the final names.
>>24758795it's the book lol. a german review copy was leaked on libgen. it has a review embargo note saying not to talk about it until october 14th.
>>24759144it's not out yet other than the german leak
>>24750634Bro I just saw this shit is going to be 30 dollars? Are you fucking kidding me?
>>24752826Based and No Pasaran pilled. Right wingers can control all institutional power, but Pynchon is ours!
