For the longest time, I was believer of polyglots, but reading some really good translations of Greek stuff I honestly feel its a waste of time, Plumptre's translations are prettier than the original, why read it?
>>24750911Well anon, do you know Ancient Greek?
>>24750913As much as a 2nd grader in America knows English.
>>24750915With all due respect, I wouldn't trust a US 2nd-grader to tell me whether a Mexican Spanish translation of Moby-Dick is any better than the original
>>24750926Let's say I'm a kid from the 80s so the standard a are what they should be, plus aesthetic considerations are not language dependent, they're universal accurate and one can gauge it fairly easily.
>>24750911It makes you smarter and staves off brain crippling old age diseases that's it.
>>24750964Sure but I already memorize and reason other stuff for that. If this thread is to die here, this will remain my opinion.
>>24750911>Utility
>>24750911>small Latin and less Greek
>>24750911If you want pure utility go learn Chinese. If you want to dig into the roots of western civilization then learn Greek and Latin
>>24751219That is utility though, my question is what exactly is hidden beneath the language, which English writers have never excavated?
>>24751256Sheer volanturism normally. The rational utility maximizer came from a Calvinist background, it wasn't something "discovered by science." It's a presupposition about how man is that is used to explain man's behavior. Hence, all behavior, from self-sacrifice for strangers to self-harm to work, to play, is said to be "utility maximizing."Obviously, it's unfalsifiable. Everything fits it. Ultimately, it is a view of man as sheer inscrutable will, made in the image of the Reformed God.As Weber and many others have pointed out, these theological concerns became essential to capitalism (but also the "scientific" world view).
>>24750911>Utility whether it improves your life
>>24750911Isaac Newton found many small but important translation "errors" in the Bible that significantly change the meaning. Literature was always the domain of the aristocracy though. Now that they have been replaced by kosher reptiles, expect the (planned) further destruction of our history and culture.
>utilityngmi
if you put it in terms of utility you are already fallen below standard: it's otium reserved for the free man, hence liberal arts in its original connotation
>>24751321Bruh I'm not saying it needs to make me money. Calm down anons. I just want to get something out of the effort,mostly just enjoyment, appreciation or knowledge. I recently started feeling like I can acquire all three without learning the language itself, maybe I'm wrong but no one is really discussing the issue.
>>24750911>picrelThere is nothing inherently special about Latin and Greek. Careful analytic training in grammar can be valuable, but there's nothing special about Latin and Greek in that regard.
>>24750964That goes for any second language, not just Latin and Greek.
>>24751321>Hence, all behavior, from self-sacrifice for strangers to self-harm to work, to play, is said to be "utility maximizing."We are adaptation-executers, not fitness-maximizers.https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/XPErvb8m9FapXCjhA/adaptation-executers-not-fitness-maximizers
>>24752173Latin and Greek will make you better. Honestly, English really sets us up for failure because it has participles that look like standard tenses. Because everything is compact it's confusing going from English to other things because our concepts are blended together.
>>24751569any examples?
>>24752184And Latin and Greek don't blend concepts together? Latin has datives and ablatives that look the same half the time, future indicatives and present subjunctives that look the same half the time, nominatives and accusatives that consistently look the same for neuter nouns...
>>24752187google it?
>>24752198>Latin has datives and ablativesNot a big deal. Instead of adding in a 'for' you use a 'with' most of the time. You get more confusion from the word 'in' which can mean in or on, like in German. >nominatives and accusatives that consistently look the same for neuter nounsMeh. Not as big of a deal. Happens in just about every other case dense language too. Greek is oddly one where the declensions are unique enough and rhyme with the rest of the language that it almost makes up for all of the verbal pain one goes through, partly because those verbs often look or sound similar. Small potatoes compared to the value of learning you get.
>>24752353>Not a big deal.Did you miss "that look the same half the time"? The point is that Latin and Greek also have conflations of distinct forms. (In Greek the middle voice is mostly identical to the passive!)
>>24752342No need to be the penal gland, could just post a screenshot.
If you are going to medical school it will be incredibly handy to know the basics.
>>24752187https://www.newtonproject.ox.ac.uk/view/texts/normalized/THEM00261
>>24753290Wouldn't it be easier to study the Greek and Latin roots as used in English directly?
>>24750911Where would someone begin to learn Latin and Greek? I imagine there are no decent apps or anything for it.
>>24754738Pick up a book on it, Google a bunch of words and memorize them, learn basic phrases and grammar. Learn complex grammar and listen, read and write in the language. That's all.
>>24754365OF course it would retard
>>24754738do the opposite of what >>24755729says Google dowling method. Basically, grammar is king and you should perfect it by rote before you even learn your first word of latin
>>24756940My advice wasn't sequential. It was simultaneous. Pick up whatever just to sustain interest.
>>24750911I'll learn japanese instead.
>>24756957And do what? Watch JAVs?
>>24750911A lot of modern translations are fake and ghey
>>24750911>utilityThey'll complain about /pol/, they'll talk about shitposting and zoomers, but not about the goddamn brownoids flooding this site.Holy shit, if your skin is darker than #ffffff you have no human value at all. Get the fuck OUT.
>>24757118My phone is on blue light filter so not sure if I pass the test but I've already explained my position. It is reasonable.
>>24750911>Utility of learning Latin and Ancient Greek in 2025None. Absolutely none. In all my years of learning Latin I have found no real world use for it. I use it to read Latin, that is the sole use for it, don't go into Latin thinking that you're going to get anything more out of it
>>24757158I'm sort of tilting towards learning Greek to read the true Bible. English translations are all second rate and it is a matter of divinity.
>>24753290Greek is the legos of that field as Latin is to Law. But these are reasons I give to the mob.
>>24750911Learn Chinese. The language of future
>>24758132Which one mandarin or cantonese
