So get this, you put a human being in its formative years under the near complete dominion of the average retard with little to no control mechanism in place to ensure they don't fuck up their children for life? How does society deem this acceptable? The millions of horror stories of insane parents get out and everyone is like "oh wow that sounds fucked up! so anyway...".Under a just society children would be raised communally in well regulated environments that attempt to minimise abuse and provide equal chances to all.And also society just thinks you should always support family members no matter how evil or worthless they are? If my son is known to be a good for nothing druggie that will just waste all the money I've accumulated over the course of my life why should I have him inherit it instead of someone unrelated to me who can put it to better use?Anyway, I got sidetracked, are there any authors that argue for something like I've described?
Yes, there are many, but unfortunately they're all retarded.Society doesn't exist as anything except an extension of family.
Jew.
b-b-but muh 1950s magazine ads
>>24751428PlatoThe Spartans had communal child rearing too
>>24751428Profoundly retarded opinion once you take about two seconds to consider the fact that alternatives already exist and they suck. The problem is that whatever worker you can find to act as the communal caretaker is also the average retard; the biggest difference is that parents are at least biologically hardwired to give a shit, and the second biggest difference is that parents are dealing with much fewer children and can therefore bestow much more attention on each child. Orphanage workers and boarding school teachers have had a reputation for horrific cruelty for centuries, and it's very easy for these people to dodge accountability by terrorizing their charges into telling their overseers whatever they want. Even the average child who nominally lives with his family in the modern world actually spends most of his waking hours at school, and the result is that there are far more people who end up fucked up for life than there ever were before compulsory schooling existed. The millions of horror stories of insane teachers get out and your response is "oh wow that sounds fucked up! so anyway you should give these people complete control over your children."
>>24751468>already exist and they suckBecause society puts 0 effort into them, they are an afterthought.
>>24751428There is no better alternative you retard. This is like somebody complaining they have to take a shit after they digest food. It's fundamental and will last as long as man himself shall last. It'd not even worth critiquing the alternatives at this the concept of family is just so fundamentally human you're never going to get rid of it. It's like like trying to abolish marriage or music.
>>24751428Plato based his ideas off Lycurgus of the Spartans. That being said, parents were less retarded a thousand years ago because there were cultural and moral standards to uphold. Now there are no standards. The entire family tree isn't bad, it is the new crop (anything after 1880) poisoned by mass media and the purposeful destruction of the family unit and the wider family relations.
>>24751488>parents were less retarded a thousand years agoTo be honest I doubt this
This sounds more like projection/resentment than a worthwhile thread.
>>24751428Retarded communist spotted
>>24751489In The Lost Langugage of Plants, the author mentions a study of the grand children of a native tribe in the southern Arizona deserts. The grandparents can name hundreds of the native plants in the area and their use. The grandchlidren, who now attend schools, on average can name five plants yet think they are much much smarter than their grandparents.
>>24751498I was referring to the quality of the parenting. Also that knowledge loss, while regrettable, is not at all surprising. It is a rational response to a completely different context.
>>24751485Or so it seems to you. In the future we will be made in vats and raised by the state. The concept of parenthood will be relegated to history.
>>24751503I disagree that quality of parenting is higher now. It merely makes people soft and obedient to foreign authorities. As OP stated, parents now will self murder themselves for their loser drug addicted children. At least when they had ten kids running around, they knew better than to nuke the family lineage over one retarded kid. They actually tried to build character rather than degeneracy, even if that was only because of societal pressures. Now there is nothing but materialism being imprinted.
>>24751492Look in the mirror maybe? Families are inherently collectivist in nature.
>>24751507If this ever happens, you don't have men anymore. Transhumanism negates humanity.
>>24751437the opposite, actually
Family is like monarchy, the country is as good as the king, the child is as good as the father, as good as what the father does. I have no problem with monarchy, but there should be some form of constitution which omits potential cruelty and totalitarian measures, which in most cases exist as child protection laws.
>>24751428you should read thomas ligotti and dave benetar but not talk to anyone else about it just figure out where best to go from there on your own
Not true, parents have joint custody with the state via public school
>>24751545Or women, we could just replace them with sex dolls and ejaculate in artifical wombs
>>24751719Yeah and that is a relatively recent addition. Policy makers recognised the issue to some degree, but the measures they took against it are half-assed and functionally not enforced except in the most extreme of cases that go public. The family unit is too holy to society for governments to tread on it.
>>24751428Parents do not have the right to instill their values in their children when those values are false. And most parents adhere to one foundationally false value or another. OTOH, as has already been observed, if the child's parents don't care for them, no one will. None of which is to let nature off the hook due to some naturalistic fallacy. Families ARE stupid. Having to take shit after eating food >>24751485 IS stupid. Objectively, it is right to find fault with nature even though there's nothing to be done about it.
>>24751867>nothing to be done about itSocial practices change over time. The current "nuclear family" itself is just a stripped down version of ancient tribal structures that included way more people.
Agree that taking a shit is stupid. Buttholes should only be used for sex. No shit on my penis sounds really nice
>>24751745I think part state, part family custody works just fine. I don’t see politicians as inherently trustworthy at all and they’re the ones who would determine what was drilled into kids. When kids have both parents and public schools then they are much more likely to turn out to be critical thinkers because whatever nonsense their parents drill into them, eventually their peers and teachers force them to question it and makes them realize humans in authority, starting with their parents, aren’t infallible. A completely state run raising of children would presumably function like a mixture of prison and parole—that is, all real authority and teaching would be through peers, with the actual authority figures holding minimal ultimate sway
>>24751428Attempts have been made in the past to raise children in common. It causes dysfunction in the adult
>>24752002I don't believe it. Dogs can be raised by humans and turn out fine but humans being raised outside a family structure is too much? This on top of it being a thing historically.
>>24751428>In This Thread: anon desires the State to insert itself into mankind's most intimate relationships as mediator and ruler, as if it is deserving or even capable of doing that
>>24752009It's like boarding school or orphanages but worse.
>>24752014Yeah because the state has done utterly horrific things when it inserted itself into such matters historically, such as *checks notes* imposing a 40 hour workweek and telling people they're not allowed to keep human beings as slaves.
>>24752009Dogs have become genetic freaks bred into multiple diseases, castrated and turned into fawning, servile beggars who can’t do anything except eat and bark and bark and bark and bark
How mindbroken by lefty theory do you have to be to genuinely entertain this idea even for a second?
>be baby red>home problems>jump in the public square to denounce all families and human connection and total destruction of the individualist-leaning emergent structure that has led humanities progress for thousands of years>immediately destroyed by a century-old novel that also happens to be one of the greatest pieces of literature put to papereveryone who argues for what you just described was either a pedophile or a delusional authoritarian or both.
>>24751428Why don't modtroons merge lit and his? Both are dead boards in any case.
>>24752032>when dad tells me to take out the trash that's exactly like chattel slavery! help me, stalin!
>>24751626What is the opposite of a jew?
>>24751473>true orphanages have never been tried!
>>24752588An irishman? Ethiopian? Some breed of south-east asian?>love their god>good mental health>warrior poet mindset>unconcerned about money>poor organizational skills>happy-go-lucky>believe in open discussion/criticism>seen as temperamental but hard workers>embraced as immigrantsJust spitballing here.
